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Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

Hi,

One way to find out: have others try replicating this.

As for drag and drop and its supposed relationship to copy and paste: long story short, but in some applications, drag and drop is equivalent to cut, copy, and paste. This will work provided that the destination app (the program you wish to drop items into) supports the item you are trying to “drag” (copy/cut) from the source app. For example, attaching a file to an email composed in Outlook via paste operation will work because Outlook does have internal mechanisms to deal with this kind of activity.

As for a notion that you don’t need to learn about drag and drop: misinformation at best, inaccurate at worst. There are still apps (and mindset of some developers) that will absolutely require mouse operations for common tasks, including drag and drop (I do know for the fact that, in StationPlaylist Studio, you need to use the mouse to rearrange columns in playlist viewer, and I have successfully used a mouse to do it with another screen reader).

As an extension of my argument from above, should users learn the utility of mouse and touchscreens? I think yes at one point or another. At least having a basic knowledge of mouse and touch commands available from a screen reader may help out in certain situations where you may need to use these interaction mediums in the future. For this reason, when I produced a tutorial set for another screen reader (shhh, not here), I have emphasized not just keyboard commands, but also mouse and touch commands too precisely because of the dominant interaction medium in use and ways of dealing with it. If you want to talk about this and rest of this conversation, write to me privately.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 4:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

Ya know, I'm almost positive that's the way it's always been.

 

On 3/15/2019 3:16 PM, Bill White wrote:

Hi, Jaffar. I was able to connect with Vispero, and found something very interesting. Drag and drop works if one uses the left CONTROL key plus JAWS Key plus NumPad SLASH. It does not, however, work if the Right CONTROL key is used along with JAWS Key plus NumPad SLASH.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 10:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

Also, if you are a programmer and use IDES as your programming tool, and if you need a folder source outside of your project to be included, the only way might be to drag that source that you need into your project's window via file explorer and drop it into your project. 

On 3/15/2019 11:25 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 01:04 AM, James Homuth wrote:

In which situations will transferring files and folders between applications not work using copy/paste? Genuinely curious, as that’s how I do it on a daily basis.

James, I have an example, though before I give it I will say that I don't even use drag and drop with sight to do this task, preferring the "New" button option then going out and selecting the files I want via a standard open dialog.

If you are using Google Drive, and create a new folder, in the center of the screen for the empty folder it says, "Drop files here, or use the New button."  You can have File Explorer windows open select files until you're blue in the face and use CTRL+C to copy (or CTRL+X if you intended to cut for a move) but you simply cannot paste on that particular Google Drive dialog.  The only thing that works in that instance is drop.

I can also think of instances where electronic versions of "draw the line from thing in column A to the correct corresponding thing in column B" type tests, that are meant to imitate the paper version of same, only work with drag and drop.  That style has fallen out of favor largely due to accessibility issues with it.

Moving the columns displayed in the inbox (and other folders) in Thunderbird can only be (or at least used to only be, I haven't done this in a while) doable via drag and drop.

Because drag and drop is a fundamental feature of every GUI I've ever used, dropping support for it in any screen reader seems to me to be a very, very ill-thought-out decision.   You may not need to use it often, and I actually use copy/cut and paste way more myself, but there are times when it's the only alternative and, if you're a screen reader user and the screen reader doesn't support it, that cuts accessibility right there. 

 


Re: Rearranging icons on the taskbar.

Curtis Delzer
 

AM I GLAD TO HEAR THIS! Seems to me if the other were true, they'd be doing a step backwards instead of forwards. when I did and do need it, OK, but to have it and then been taken away with a product which costs a thousand bux, no way Jose.

On 3/15/2019 10:20 AM, Mike B wrote:

Hi Chris & All,
 
I'm running Windows 10 Pro Version 1809 (OS Build 17763.379), and drag & drop works just fine with this latest J2019 update.  I only tried it by moving Taskbar icons around since that's all I use drag and drop for.
Take care.  Mike.  Sennt from my iBarstool.
Book: a utensil used to pass time while waiting for the computer repairman!
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: Rearranging icons on the taskbar.

If I‘M reading that right you are running the spring 2017 update.  Might be time to do some updating.  That’s probably why it is still working for you.

CH
> On Mar 15, 2019, at 10:40, Don Mauck <don.mauck@...> wrote:
>
> I don't know why I can do this quite easily and others can't. I'm using Microsoft® Windows® Operating System Version 10.0.17134.1
> Would that make a difference?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Hill <hillco@...>
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 9:22 AM
> To: jfw@groups.io
> Subject: Rearranging icons on the taskbar.
>
> I tried using drag and drop.  Although it made the appropriate noises on my windows 10 computer, it didn't actually work.  If you want to do this the simplest way I can think of, do the following.
> unpin everything from the taskbar by right-clicking or the equivalent on each item and choosing unpin.  Now, open the run box with windows+r and type shell:appsvolder and press enter.  This will open a folder with shortcuts to all your apps.  Do the equivalent of right click and pin any you want on the taskbar in the order in which you want them.
>
>
> CH
>
>
>
>
>
>



-- 


Curtis Delzer 
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA


sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

Hi all.

I have migrated all my Internet Explorer favorites to Chrome, moving them out of the Imported from Internet Explorer directory to the Bookmarks Bar. whenever I want to add a bookmark, I only hear a few of the folders I know are there. My list of available bookmark folders is both non alphabetically sorted and incomplete. Most times, there are only three or four folders out of the twenty that appear when I check the Organize Bookmarks dialogue with control+shift+O. What could be going on?
Many thanks,
Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and Pedagogue
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090
Email: ofiol@verizon.net


Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

Steve Matzura
 

Ya know, I'm almost positive that's the way it's always been.


On 3/15/2019 3:16 PM, Bill White wrote:

Hi, Jaffar. I was able to connect with Vispero, and found something very interesting. Drag and drop works if one uses the left CONTROL key plus JAWS Key plus NumPad SLASH. It does not, however, work if the Right CONTROL key is used along with JAWS Key plus NumPad SLASH.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 10:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

Also, if you are a programmer and use IDES as your programming tool, and if you need a folder source outside of your project to be included, the only way might be to drag that source that you need into your project's window via file explorer and drop it into your project. 

On 3/15/2019 11:25 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 01:04 AM, James Homuth wrote:

In which situations will transferring files and folders between applications not work using copy/paste? Genuinely curious, as that’s how I do it on a daily basis.

James, I have an example, though before I give it I will say that I don't even use drag and drop with sight to do this task, preferring the "New" button option then going out and selecting the files I want via a standard open dialog.

If you are using Google Drive, and create a new folder, in the center of the screen for the empty folder it says, "Drop files here, or use the New button."  You can have File Explorer windows open select files until you're blue in the face and use CTRL+C to copy (or CTRL+X if you intended to cut for a move) but you simply cannot paste on that particular Google Drive dialog.  The only thing that works in that instance is drop.

I can also think of instances where electronic versions of "draw the line from thing in column A to the correct corresponding thing in column B" type tests, that are meant to imitate the paper version of same, only work with drag and drop.  That style has fallen out of favor largely due to accessibility issues with it.

Moving the columns displayed in the inbox (and other folders) in Thunderbird can only be (or at least used to only be, I haven't done this in a while) doable via drag and drop.

Because drag and drop is a fundamental feature of every GUI I've ever used, dropping support for it in any screen reader seems to me to be a very, very ill-thought-out decision.   You may not need to use it often, and I actually use copy/cut and paste way more myself, but there are times when it's the only alternative and, if you're a screen reader user and the screen reader doesn't support it, that cuts accessibility right there. 



sorting book marks in Firefox

Alicia Starner <astarner@...>
 

Hello All,

 

I am using the latest JAWS 2019 with the latest build of Firefox and want to sort my book marks in alphabetical order. I know that I can click on views and then sort by name, but when I do this and reopen Firefox, the book marks are not sorted in alphabetical order any longer. Does anyone know how I can sort book marks in Firefox permanently so that every time I open Firefox my book marks are in alphabetical order?

 

Thanks,

 

Alicia

 

 


Re: Picture smart

Curtis Delzer
 

works very nicely!

On 3/15/2019 8:44 AM, Panagiotis Antonopoulos wrote:

Hi George/all,

First you need to be on the file’s name on file explorer. Will not work on an open file. By pressing insert-spacebar, you will hear “picture”, then you press the letter f and you hear something like “file in progress” till it starts making its description. It also appears on the screen together with the actual photo, a sighted person can also see the description, and it also appears on a Braille display.

                                                            Hope this is of help,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of george b
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 1:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Picture smart

 

Dave how did you get this to work

 

When I do the insert space bar p then I get no choices

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: March 14, 2019 19:05
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Picture smart

 

Works for me, and it's very intriguing.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Lino Morales

Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 08:20

Subject: Re: Picture smart

 

I have my doubts Jay. Those letters/numbers/whatever they use from what I understand sighted people can’t make out.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

                                                                                                               

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Jay <jcoffin@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 6:22:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Picture smart

 

Hi.

 

As you all are probably aware, a new version of jaws was released yesterday, and I have a question about the Picture Smart feature. Can this make it easier for us to solve those captias we’ve spent years on battling?

 

Thanks.

-- 


Curtis Delzer 
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA


Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

Curtis Delzer
 

I AM VERY GLAD TO READ THIS, and was HOPING that someone spread some kind of roomer. or is that rumor? :)

On 3/15/2019 6:00 AM, Don Mauck wrote:

I just did this from my taskbar and moved several items to different places on the taskbar. This works as it always has for me and yes I’m on the latest release.

 

From: Angel <angel238@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 9:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

I always believed "cut and paste" was an adequate substitute for "drag and drop".  What is the difference?  I abandoned the idea of "drag and drop" several generations of Jaws ago, In favor of the "cut and paste" operation.  I always believed "drag and drop" to be a very unstable action, when employed using the Jaws key stroke.  Beside the Key stroke (I forget what it is now) was very awkward for people with challenges effecting the full use of both hands.   

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 6:35 PM

Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 06:31 PM, JM Casey wrote:

It is nuts that a support person would claim they are the same thing.

I have often, during my now just short of 40 years in computing, uttered the phrase, "Technical support is often neither technical nor supportive"   QED when someone claims cut, copy, and paste substitute for drag and drop.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

-- 


Curtis Delzer 
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA


Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

JM Casey
 

Hey.
That's a neat trick with Sendspace Wizard -- I use it too but haven't had recourse to do something like this.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer
Sent: March 15, 2019 12:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

there reason is being lazy! figuring their intelligence is greater than those of us who work with their software. I'll give you an example; many people here use the send space wizard. If you're downloading a bunch of files and wish to show the original sender which files had errors, rather than try and remember that bunch of files, you can hit right arrow once from where the "transfer" "tab" shows, and you'll get into the log of the transfer since the wizard was invoked. If you wish to show the original sender the erroneous transfers, you can move the mouse to the line where the file or file(s) descriptions begin, lock the left button down, cursor down to the last line, and perform the marking and drag and drop it into an email to them.

I did this just the other day!


Re: JAWS script for Image describer NVDA add-on

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

We don’t want to reinvent the wheel here. JAWS 2019 as of this weeks update has what’s called Picture Smart.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

                                                                                                               

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Mario <mrb620@...>
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 10:54:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS script for Image describer NVDA add-on
 
I would imagine that JAWS users would appreciate such a script if it
reliably works any where.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Oliver Edholm [mailto:oliver.edholm@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019, 4:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS script for Image describer NVDA add-on

Hi everyone!
I'm wondering if people would be interested of a JAWS script version for
an NVDA add-on I've made.
The add-on is called "Image describer", it takes the current navigator
object and then says what it contains by looking at it visually. Kind of
like the Facebook auto alt text, but this works anywhere.

The add on can be downloaded at http://www.screenreader.ai/
Since the feedback from the NVDA community has been very positive I
thought that a JAWS version would be also appreciated by people.







Drag and Drop solved.

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

I was able to connect with Vispero, and found something very interesting. Drag and drop works if one uses the left CONTROL key plus JAWS Key

plus NumPad SLASH. It does not, however, work if the Right CONTROL key is used along with JAWS Key plus NumPad SLASH.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

Mike B.
 


Hi Bill,
 
I'm sorry the steps didn't work for you but, these same steps have worked for me since I started using Win10.  I must have another setting different than yours but, which setting or settings I don't know.
Take care.  Mike.  Sennt from my iBarstool.
Book: a utensil used to pass time while waiting for the computer repairman!

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill White
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

Hi, Mike. I tried your steps, and after doing them, I invoked JAWS Key plus F11, and the system tray icons still appear in the order, and in the case of Eset NOD32, the absence of which they appeared before. Thanks for the steps, though.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 11:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

 

Hi Bill & All,

 

Sorry, but forgot to change the subject line.

Here's how I rearrange the system tray icons  running Windows 10 Pro Version 1809 (OS Build 17763.379) & all installed versions of Jaws.

1. Windows key + I, for Settings, tab 1 time to System, right arrow to Personalization, and press enter.
2. Navigate to, Taskbar and press enter.
3. Tab several times to, Select which icons appear on the taskbar Link, and press enter.
4. Okay now to put the System Tray in the order you want it in.  Tab through all the icons making a note of which ones you have checked / turned on because you're going to uncheck all of them.
5. Uncheck all the icons.  Now you will go through and check the icons in the order you want them in but keep in mind, they will appear in the reverse order that they are checked.  What I mean is, the 1st one yu check will be at the bottom of the list, the 2nd will be 2nd from the bottom, the 3rd will be 3rd from the bottom etc. etc....  After you're done open the system tray to make sure it's the way you want it and Alt + F4 if it is.

Take care.  Mike.  Sennt from my iBarstool.
Book: a utensil used to pass time while waiting for the computer repairman!

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill White

Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 8:52 AM

Subject: Re: Rearranging icons on the taskbar.

 

Hi, Chris. What I want to do is rearrange things in System Tray, not actually in the Taskbar, so unpinning things in the Taskbar won't work in this instance. What is actually happening is that I used to have an icon for Eset NOD32, my antivirus program, which was one of the first icons in System Tray. Now, in order to find this icon I must turn on all icons in System Tray, or, use the Notification Icon to go to the overflow section of icons in System Tray. What I want to do is rearrange the icons so that the Eset NOD32 icon is where it used to be.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 8:22 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Rearranging icons on the taskbar.

I tried using drag and drop.  Although it made the appropriate noises on
my windows 10 computer, it didn't actually work.  If you want to do this
the simplest way I can think of, do the following.
unpin everything from the taskbar by right-clicking or the equivalent on
each item and choosing unpin.  Now, open the run box with windows+r and
type shell:appsvolder and press enter.  This will open a folder with
shortcuts to all your apps.  Do the equivalent of right click and pin
any you want on the taskbar in the order in which you want them.


CH








Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Jaffar. I was able to connect with Vispero, and found something very interesting. Drag and drop works if one uses the left CONTROL key plus JAWS Key plus NumPad SLASH. It does not, however, work if the Right CONTROL key is used along with JAWS Key plus NumPad SLASH.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 10:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

Also, if you are a programmer and use IDES as your programming tool, and if you need a folder source outside of your project to be included, the only way might be to drag that source that you need into your project's window via file explorer and drop it into your project. 

On 3/15/2019 11:25 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 01:04 AM, James Homuth wrote:

In which situations will transferring files and folders between applications not work using copy/paste? Genuinely curious, as that’s how I do it on a daily basis.

James, I have an example, though before I give it I will say that I don't even use drag and drop with sight to do this task, preferring the "New" button option then going out and selecting the files I want via a standard open dialog.

If you are using Google Drive, and create a new folder, in the center of the screen for the empty folder it says, "Drop files here, or use the New button."  You can have File Explorer windows open select files until you're blue in the face and use CTRL+C to copy (or CTRL+X if you intended to cut for a move) but you simply cannot paste on that particular Google Drive dialog.  The only thing that works in that instance is drop.

I can also think of instances where electronic versions of "draw the line from thing in column A to the correct corresponding thing in column B" type tests, that are meant to imitate the paper version of same, only work with drag and drop.  That style has fallen out of favor largely due to accessibility issues with it.

Moving the columns displayed in the inbox (and other folders) in Thunderbird can only be (or at least used to only be, I haven't done this in a while) doable via drag and drop.

Because drag and drop is a fundamental feature of every GUI I've ever used, dropping support for it in any screen reader seems to me to be a very, very ill-thought-out decision.   You may not need to use it often, and I actually use copy/cut and paste way more myself, but there are times when it's the only alternative and, if you're a screen reader user and the screen reader doesn't support it, that cuts accessibility right there.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: picture smart

Maria Campbell
 

That's pretty good.  Now we just need something to work out on Facebook and other places for graphics.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@gmail.com

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~

On 3/15/2019 3:09 PM, Dave... wrote:
Don,

The anonymous data collection helps to improve image recognition.

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 12:01
Subject: picture smart


Wonder why you have to allow jaws to collect Anonymous data on you to
use picture smart?








Re: picture smart

Dave...
 

Don,

The anonymous data collection helps to improve image recognition.

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 12:01
Subject: picture smart


Wonder why you have to allow jaws to collect Anonymous data on you to
use picture smart?


Re: picture smart

Dave...
 

Don,

To get help with Picture Smart, Type JAWS+Spacebar, then P, then ?

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 12:01
Subject: picture smart


Wonder why you have to allow jaws to collect Anonymous data on you to
use picture smart?


picture smart

Don H
 

Wonder why you have to allow jaws to collect Anonymous  data on you to use picture smart?


Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Mike. I tried your steps, and after doing them, I invoked JAWS Key plus F11, and the system tray icons still appear in the order, and in the case of Eset NOD32, the absence of which they appeared before. Thanks for the steps, though.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 11:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

 

Hi Bill & All,

 

Sorry, but forgot to change the subject line.

Here's how I rearrange the system tray icons  running Windows 10 Pro Version 1809 (OS Build 17763.379) & all installed versions of Jaws.

1. Windows key + I, for Settings, tab 1 time to System, right arrow to Personalization, and press enter.
2. Navigate to, Taskbar and press enter.
3. Tab several times to, Select which icons appear on the taskbar Link, and press enter.
4. Okay now to put the System Tray in the order you want it in.  Tab through all the icons making a note of which ones you have checked / turned on because you're going to uncheck all of them.
5. Uncheck all the icons.  Now you will go through and check the icons in the order you want them in but keep in mind, they will appear in the reverse order that they are checked.  What I mean is, the 1st one yu check will be at the bottom of the list, the 2nd will be 2nd from the bottom, the 3rd will be 3rd from the bottom etc. etc....  After you're done open the system tray to make sure it's the way you want it and Alt + F4 if it is.

Take care.  Mike.  Sennt from my iBarstool.
Book: a utensil used to pass time while waiting for the computer repairman!

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill White

Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 8:52 AM

Subject: Re: Rearranging icons on the taskbar.

 

Hi, Chris. What I want to do is rearrange things in System Tray, not actually in the Taskbar, so unpinning things in the Taskbar won't work in this instance. What is actually happening is that I used to have an icon for Eset NOD32, my antivirus program, which was one of the first icons in System Tray. Now, in order to find this icon I must turn on all icons in System Tray, or, use the Notification Icon to go to the overflow section of icons in System Tray. What I want to do is rearrange the icons so that the Eset NOD32 icon is where it used to be.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 8:22 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Rearranging icons on the taskbar.

I tried using drag and drop.  Although it made the appropriate noises on
my windows 10 computer, it didn't actually work.  If you want to do this
the simplest way I can think of, do the following.
unpin everything from the taskbar by right-clicking or the equivalent on
each item and choosing unpin.  Now, open the run box with windows+r and
type shell:appsvolder and press enter.  This will open a folder with
shortcuts to all your apps.  Do the equivalent of right click and pin
any you want on the taskbar in the order in which you want them.


CH








System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

Mike B.
 


Hi Bill & All,
 
Sorry, but forgot to change the subject line.
Here's how I rearrange the system tray icons  running Windows 10 Pro Version 1809 (OS Build 17763.379) & all installed versions of Jaws.
1. Windows key + I, for Settings, tab 1 time to System, right arrow to Personalization, and press enter.
2. Navigate to, Taskbar and press enter.
3. Tab several times to, Select which icons appear on the taskbar Link, and press enter.
4. Okay now to put the System Tray in the order you want it in.  Tab through all the icons making a note of which ones you have checked / turned on because you're going to uncheck all of them.
5. Uncheck all the icons.  Now you will go through and check the icons in the order you want them in but keep in mind, they will appear in the reverse order that they are checked.  What I mean is, the 1st one yu check will be at the bottom of the list, the 2nd will be 2nd from the bottom, the 3rd will be 3rd from the bottom etc. etc....  After you're done open the system tray to make sure it's the way you want it and Alt + F4 if it is.
Take care.  Mike.  Sennt from my iBarstool.
Book: a utensil used to pass time while waiting for the computer repairman!

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill White
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: Rearranging icons on the taskbar.

Hi, Chris. What I want to do is rearrange things in System Tray, not actually in the Taskbar, so unpinning things in the Taskbar won't work in this instance. What is actually happening is that I used to have an icon for Eset NOD32, my antivirus program, which was one of the first icons in System Tray. Now, in order to find this icon I must turn on all icons in System Tray, or, use the Notification Icon to go to the overflow section of icons in System Tray. What I want to do is rearrange the icons so that the Eset NOD32 icon is where it used to be.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 8:22 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Rearranging icons on the taskbar.

I tried using drag and drop.  Although it made the appropriate noises on
my windows 10 computer, it didn't actually work.  If you want to do this
the simplest way I can think of, do the following.
unpin everything from the taskbar by right-clicking or the equivalent on
each item and choosing unpin.  Now, open the run box with windows+r and
type shell:appsvolder and press enter.  This will open a folder with
shortcuts to all your apps.  Do the equivalent of right click and pin
any you want on the taskbar in the order in which you want them.


CH









Latest Jaws 2019 March update crashing while in Outlook 2016

Cristóbal
 

Hello list,

So, I updated my Jaws 2019 to the recent march update last night. Today after launching everything, I’ve so far experienced four Jaws crashes while in Outlook.

As of right now, this crashing has only occurred while in Outlook and not any of the browsers or other programs I’m using.

My version of Outlook is: 16.0.11328.20146. It is a stand alone license.

Jaws comes back quick enough, but still… Is anyone else dealing with this issue?

I already submitted a support request to Vispero, but as always, I was curious to know if it’s just my luck or if anyone else is encountering this.

In general, Jaws has been pretty stable these past few releases. Thus this crashing has jumped out for me as something to be commented on.

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 


Re: Rearranging icons on the taskbar.

 

Bill,

           Very strange.   I would report this to the Eset people and to Microsoft via the feedback hub.  I have never once had an icon that I turn on in the dialog I referenced be pushed into the overflow area.  Its very reason for being is to prevent that, so something's amiss in this case.

           Of course, I only keep 6 really essential bits constantly showing in the main system tray.  Anything else I let get pushed into the overflow area and get to it in there on the odd occasion I want to check it.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore