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Re: Rearranging icons on the taskbar.

 

Bill,

          If order does not matter as far as where the Eset icon would be constantly visible in the system tray, the easiest thing to do is to open Settings, search on "Select which icons," which will turn up the setting for, "Select which icons appear on the taskbar"  (and, in this case, it's the notification area/system tray area of the taskbar), then finding Eset in the dialog presented and toggling it on.  Anything that gets toggled on in that dialog will be permanently visible in the system tray rather than being pushed to the overflow area which one must access via the notification chevron.

          I have yet to find a technique that allows drag and drop rearrangement of the icons that are shown in the system tray using a screen reader, though one can rearrange them via actual mouse drag and drop.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

Maria Campbell
 

I could never get it to work.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@gmail.com

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~

On 3/14/2019 7:35 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Copy and paste work in the areas where they are supposed to work. And that's good. I sure use them a lot too. But as has been said, it's not the same thing; not all software has an edit menu with those options and not all items are clipboard accessible. It's kind of an essential feature and yes, it's probably worth making a fuss about.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: March 14, 2019 7:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

i have never used it either. windows copy and paste has been working for me since windows 95

-----Original Message-----
From: Lino Morales
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 3:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9



Well Steve I don t thinhk its not worth crying over spilled megabites sir. Like
I said I don t use it. Most of us don t so have at it with big bad Vispero if
you want it back.






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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Steve Matzura
<number6@noisynotes.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 5:42:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9


I think we all need to tell them to unretire it. What a ridiculous thing to
do--remove a very useful and sometimes very necessary feature.




On 3/14/2019 5:27 PM, Bill White wrote:


Hi, Brian. Vispero says that CONTROL plus JAWS Key plus NumPad slash has been
retired from JAWS as Drag and Drop. They told me that it was an oversight that
it has not been removed from the documentation files.



Bill White



billwhite92701@dslextreme.com









Re: Rearranging icons on the taskbar.

Don Mauck
 

I can only use what Oracle gives me.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Hill <hillco@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 9:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Rearranging icons on the taskbar.

If I‘M reading that right you are running the spring 2017 update. Might be time to do some updating. That’s probably why it is still working for you.

CH
On Mar 15, 2019, at 10:40, Don Mauck <don.mauck@oracle.com> wrote:

I don't know why I can do this quite easily and others can't. I'm
using Microsoft® Windows® Operating System Version 10.0.17134.1 Would that make a difference?
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Hill <hillco@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 9:22 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Rearranging icons on the taskbar.

I tried using drag and drop. Although it made the appropriate noises on my windows 10 computer, it didn't actually work. If you want to do this the simplest way I can think of, do the following.
unpin everything from the taskbar by right-clicking or the equivalent on each item and choosing unpin. Now, open the run box with windows+r and type shell:appsvolder and press enter. This will open a folder with shortcuts to all your apps. Do the equivalent of right click and pin any you want on the taskbar in the order in which you want them.


CH






Re: Rearranging icons on the taskbar.

 

It is helpful, truly, if Windows 10 version and build are both expressed separately, and from the dialog given by the winver command.

Anything that's got 17134 in the mix is part of Version 1803.  That version and build are wed to each other.   There are still a lot of machines that have not yet received the fall update from last year, although the pace of the rollout picked up an amazing amount of speed about a month ago after having been glacially slow by intent after the early debacles in the rollout.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Rearranging icons on the taskbar.

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Chris. What I want to do is rearrange things in System Tray, not actually in the Taskbar, so unpinning things in the Taskbar won't work in this instance. What is actually happening is that I used to have an icon for Eset NOD32, my antivirus program, which was one of the first icons in System Tray. Now, in order to find this icon I must turn on all icons in System Tray, or, use the Notification Icon to go to the overflow section of icons in System Tray. What I want to do is rearrange the icons so that the Eset NOD32 icon is where it used to be.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 8:22 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Rearranging icons on the taskbar.

I tried using drag and drop. Although it made the appropriate noises on
my windows 10 computer, it didn't actually work. If you want to do this
the simplest way I can think of, do the following.
unpin everything from the taskbar by right-clicking or the equivalent on
each item and choosing unpin. Now, open the run box with windows+r and
type shell:appsvolder and press enter. This will open a folder with
shortcuts to all your apps. Do the equivalent of right click and pin
any you want on the taskbar in the order in which you want them.


CH


Re: Rearranging icons on the taskbar.

Chris Hill
 

If I‘M reading that right you are running the spring 2017 update. Might be time to do some updating. That’s probably why it is still working for you.

CH

On Mar 15, 2019, at 10:40, Don Mauck <don.mauck@oracle.com> wrote:

I don't know why I can do this quite easily and others can't. I'm using Microsoft® Windows® Operating System Version 10.0.17134.1
Would that make a difference?
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Hill <hillco@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 9:22 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Rearranging icons on the taskbar.

I tried using drag and drop. Although it made the appropriate noises on my windows 10 computer, it didn't actually work. If you want to do this the simplest way I can think of, do the following.
unpin everything from the taskbar by right-clicking or the equivalent on each item and choosing unpin. Now, open the run box with windows+r and type shell:appsvolder and press enter. This will open a folder with shortcuts to all your apps. Do the equivalent of right click and pin any you want on the taskbar in the order in which you want them.


CH






Re: Picture smart

Panagiotis Antonopoulos
 

Hi George/all,

First you need to be on the file’s name on file explorer. Will not work on an open file. By pressing insert-spacebar, you will hear “picture”, then you press the letter f and you hear something like “file in progress” till it starts making its description. It also appears on the screen together with the actual photo, a sighted person can also see the description, and it also appears on a Braille display.

                                                            Hope this is of help,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of george b
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 1:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Picture smart

 

Dave how did you get this to work

 

When I do the insert space bar p then I get no choices

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: March 14, 2019 19:05
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Picture smart

 

Works for me, and it's very intriguing.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 08:20

Subject: Re: Picture smart

 

I have my doubts Jay. Those letters/numbers/whatever they use from what I understand sighted people can’t make out.

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Jay <jcoffin@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 6:22:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Picture smart

 

Hi.

 

As you all are probably aware, a new version of jaws was released yesterday, and I have a question about the Picture Smart feature. Can this make it easier for us to solve those captias we’ve spent years on battling?

 

Thanks.


Re: Rearranging icons on the taskbar.

Don Mauck
 

I don't know why I can do this quite easily and others can't. I'm using Microsoft® Windows® Operating System Version 10.0.17134.1
Would that make a difference?

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Hill <hillco@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 9:22 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Rearranging icons on the taskbar.

I tried using drag and drop. Although it made the appropriate noises on my windows 10 computer, it didn't actually work. If you want to do this the simplest way I can think of, do the following.
unpin everything from the taskbar by right-clicking or the equivalent on each item and choosing unpin. Now, open the run box with windows+r and type shell:appsvolder and press enter. This will open a folder with shortcuts to all your apps. Do the equivalent of right click and pin any you want on the taskbar in the order in which you want them.


CH


Re: How do I move into and out of the header/footer pane in MS Word 2016?

Richard B. McDonald
 

I tried control+alt+n as suggested below, and also control+F6 as someone
else suggested. Neither works. The former changed the document view to
"draft" (which such view yielded no resolution) and the latter did nothing.
So, my question remains: How do I move into and out of the header/footer
pane in MS Word 2016?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 5:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How do I move into and out of the header/footer pane in MS Word
2016?

Try ctrl+alt+n.
At 06:21 PM 3/14/2019, you wrote:
Well, as I mentioned at first below, F6 does not do it. The alt+v then
h thing works to get me *into* the header/footer pane, but my problem
still remains once there - I cannot get out of it and back into the
document pane.
So, my question persists: how do you move between the header/footer
pane and the document pane?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 11:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How do I move into and out of the header/footer pane in MS
Word 2016?

F6 should do it. I always use alt-v, then h. It is a carry-over from
before the ribbon. To insert a header is alt+n, then h.
At 08:41 AM 3/14/2019, you wrote:
Hi!

I am using JAWS 2019 and MS Word 2016 under Windows 7. In a
particular Word document, I went through the ribbons to create a
footer, and ended-up in that pane. But, I got stuck in it and could
not figure out how to move between it and the main document pane. F6
only moved me around virtual ribbons / status bar / footer pane,
never getting back to the main document pane. So, how do you get
into and out of the footer pane?

Thanks,
Richard





Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 01:04 AM, James Homuth wrote:
In which situations will transferring files and folders between applications not work using copy/paste? Genuinely curious, as that’s how I do it on a daily basis.
James, I have an example, though before I give it I will say that I don't even use drag and drop with sight to do this task, preferring the "New" button option then going out and selecting the files I want via a standard open dialog.

If you are using Google Drive, and create a new folder, in the center of the screen for the empty folder it says, "Drop files here, or use the New button."  You can have File Explorer windows open select files until you're blue in the face and use CTRL+C to copy (or CTRL+X if you intended to cut for a move) but you simply cannot paste on that particular Google Drive dialog.  The only thing that works in that instance is drop.

I can also think of instances where electronic versions of "draw the line from thing in column A to the correct corresponding thing in column B" type tests, that are meant to imitate the paper version of same, only work with drag and drop.  That style has fallen out of favor largely due to accessibility issues with it.

Moving the columns displayed in the inbox (and other folders) in Thunderbird can only be (or at least used to only be, I haven't done this in a while) doable via drag and drop.

Because drag and drop is a fundamental feature of every GUI I've ever used, dropping support for it in any screen reader seems to me to be a very, very ill-thought-out decision.   You may not need to use it often, and I actually use copy/cut and paste way more myself, but there are times when it's the only alternative and, if you're a screen reader user and the screen reader doesn't support it, that cuts accessibility right there.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Rearranging icons on the taskbar.

Chris Hill
 

I tried using drag and drop. Although it made the appropriate noises on my windows 10 computer, it didn't actually work. If you want to do this the simplest way I can think of, do the following.
unpin everything from the taskbar by right-clicking or the equivalent on each item and choosing unpin. Now, open the run box with windows+r and type shell:appsvolder and press enter. This will open a folder with shortcuts to all your apps. Do the equivalent of right click and pin any you want on the taskbar in the order in which you want them.


CH


Re: JAWS script for Image describer NVDA add-on

Mario
 

I would imagine that JAWS users would appreciate such a script if it
reliably works any where.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Oliver Edholm [mailto:oliver.edholm@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019, 4:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS script for Image describer NVDA add-on

Hi everyone!
I'm wondering if people would be interested of a JAWS script version for
an NVDA add-on I've made.
The add-on is called "Image describer", it takes the current navigator
object and then says what it contains by looking at it visually. Kind of
like the Facebook auto alt text, but this works anywhere.

The add on can be downloaded at http://www.screenreader.ai/
Since the feedback from the NVDA community has been very positive I
thought that a JAWS version would be also appreciated by people.


Re: Picture smart

Dave...
 

George,
 
To get help, press the question mark after Insert+Spacebar, P.
 
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: george b
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 04:17
Subject: Re: Picture smart

Dave how did you get this to work

 

When I do the insert space bar p then I get no choices

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: March 14, 2019 19:05
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Picture smart

 

Works for me, and it's very intriguing.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Lino Morales

Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 08:20

Subject: Re: Picture smart

 

I have my doubts Jay. Those letters/numbers/whatever they use from what I understand sighted people can’t make out.

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Jay <jcoffin@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 6:22:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Picture smart

 

Hi.

 

As you all are probably aware, a new version of jaws was released yesterday, and I have a question about the Picture Smart feature. Can this make it easier for us to solve those captias we’ve spent years on battling?

 

Thanks.


Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

Don Mauck
 

I just did this from my taskbar and moved several items to different places on the taskbar. This works as it always has for me and yes I’m on the latest release.

 

From: Angel <angel238@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 9:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

I always believed "cut and paste" was an adequate substitute for "drag and drop".  What is the difference?  I abandoned the idea of "drag and drop" several generations of Jaws ago, In favor of the "cut and paste" operation.  I always believed "drag and drop" to be a very unstable action, when employed using the Jaws key stroke.  Beside the Key stroke (I forget what it is now) was very awkward for people with challenges effecting the full use of both hands.   

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 6:35 PM

Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 06:31 PM, JM Casey wrote:

It is nuts that a support person would claim they are the same thing.

I have often, during my now just short of 40 years in computing, uttered the phrase, "Technical support is often neither technical nor supportive"   QED when someone claims cut, copy, and paste substitute for drag and drop.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Picture smart

george b <gbmagoo@...>
 

Dave how did you get this to work

 

When I do the insert space bar p then I get no choices

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: March 14, 2019 19:05
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Picture smart

 

Works for me, and it's very intriguing.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 08:20

Subject: Re: Picture smart

 

I have my doubts Jay. Those letters/numbers/whatever they use from what I understand sighted people can’t make out.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

                                                                                                               

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Jay <jcoffin@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 6:22:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Picture smart

 

Hi.

 

As you all are probably aware, a new version of jaws was released yesterday, and I have a question about the Picture Smart feature. Can this make it easier for us to solve those captias we’ve spent years on battling?

 

Thanks.


Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

Angel
 

I apologize for the misunderstanding. I never attempted to relocate task bar icons, or to relocate anything excepting text. There was an old program, originally used by windows xp, called power menu. I believe it was adapted for use with later windows products. Which could move program icons to the system trey. Which relocation proved immensely valuable to me. It served to cause less clutter on the task bar itself. The program was a free one. If it still exists it might serve to do what might be wanted. By those who wish to move various icons.

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Homuth" <james@the-jdh.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9


Not quite, no. You're literally using the mouse to move things around, like for example icons on your taskbar, or certain web applications that for reasons known only to them will only answer to drag and drop.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: March-14-19 11:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

Couldn't one employ the Jaws virtual window. When attempting to transfer material. Which can not be transferred using the cut and paste method?
----- Original Message -----
From: "JM Casey" <jmcasey@teksavvy.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9


Copy and paste work in the areas where they are supposed to work. And that's good. I sure use them a lot too. But as has been said, it's not the same thing; not all software has an edit menu with those options and not all items are clipboard accessible. It's kind of an essential feature and yes, it's probably worth making a fuss about.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: March 14, 2019 7:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

i have never used it either. windows copy and paste has been working for me since windows 95

-----Original Message-----
From: Lino Morales
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 3:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9



Well Steve I don t thinhk its not worth crying over spilled megabites sir.
Like
I said I don t use it. Most of us don t so have at it with big bad Vispero if you want it back.






Sent from Mail for
Windows
10






From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Steve Matzura
<number6@noisynotes.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 5:42:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9


I think we all need to tell them to unretire it. What a ridiculous thing to
do--remove a very useful and sometimes very necessary feature.




On 3/14/2019 5:27 PM, Bill White wrote:


Hi, Brian. Vispero says that CONTROL plus JAWS Key plus NumPad slash has
been
retired from JAWS as Drag and Drop. They told me that it was an oversight
that
it has not been removed from the documentation files.



Bill White



billwhite92701@dslextreme.com


Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

James Homuth
 

In which situations will transferring files and folders between applications not work using copy/paste? Genuinely curious, as that’s how I do it on a daily basis.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: March-15-19 12:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

Drag and drop is certainly most effective and necessary in some operations.  For example, if you need to transfer files or folders to a window of another open application, copy and paste won't work.  That's when drag and drop comes in handy.  Perhaps jaws' way of implementing the drag and drop windows feature doesn't work well because of the over reliance of the Jaws key.  On the mac for example,  Command+, and Command+. will do the job, which corresponds to the control+C and control+V key combinations on windows.  Cheers!

On 3/15/2019 11:42 AM, Angel wrote:



I always believed "cut and paste" was an adequate substitute for "drag and drop".  What is the difference?  I abandoned the idea of "drag and drop" several generations of Jaws ago, In favor of the "cut and paste" operation.  I always believed "drag and drop" to be a very unstable action, when employed using the Jaws key stroke.  Beside the Key stroke (I forget what it is now) was very awkward for people with challenges effecting the full use of both hands.   

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 6:35 PM

Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 06:31 PM, JM Casey wrote:

It is nuts that a support person would claim they are the same thing.

I have often, during my now just short of 40 years in computing, uttered the phrase, "Technical support is often neither technical nor supportive"   QED when someone claims cut, copy, and paste substitute for drag and drop.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

Drag and drop is certainly most effective and necessary in some operations.  For example, if you need to transfer files or folders to a window of another open application, copy and paste won't work.  That's when drag and drop comes in handy.  Perhaps jaws' way of implementing the drag and drop windows feature doesn't work well because of the over reliance of the Jaws key.  On the mac for example,  Command+, and Command+. will do the job, which corresponds to the control+C and control+V key combinations on windows.  Cheers!

On 3/15/2019 11:42 AM, Angel wrote:

I always believed "cut and paste" was an adequate substitute for "drag and drop".  What is the difference?  I abandoned the idea of "drag and drop" several generations of Jaws ago, In favor of the "cut and paste" operation.  I always believed "drag and drop" to be a very unstable action, when employed using the Jaws key stroke.  Beside the Key stroke (I forget what it is now) was very awkward for people with challenges effecting the full use of both hands.   
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 06:31 PM, JM Casey wrote:
It is nuts that a support person would claim they are the same thing.
I have often, during my now just short of 40 years in computing, uttered the phrase, "Technical support is often neither technical nor supportive"   QED when someone claims cut, copy, and paste substitute for drag and drop.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: how to get to the options menu

Dave...
 

Netbat,

Wonder if you were experiencing what I would describe as a stuck right arrow
key. There was a time when I was automatically thrown into a submenu when
opening a menu, without touching any other keys. Seemed like I was in a race
to tap my key before the stuck key got in the way.

Glad it worked out.

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "netbat66" <netbat66@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 21:02
Subject: Re: how to get to the options menu


its working since i rebooted. but jaws j was breing up 2 dialogs at the same
time. the dialog with the options menu and one with a tantom access menu.
and
i couldn't move focus to the options menu until i reloaded jaws again. it
has
been working so far. i have reloaded jaws several times now and it's still
working.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave...
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 7:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how to get to the options menu

Sorry, Should have said JAWS+J, then O.

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "netbat66" <netbat66@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 19:37
Subject: Re: how to get to the options menu


its working since i reloaded jaws. jaws o doesn't do anything.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave...
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 7:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how to get to the options menu

Netbat,

Try JAWS then O.

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "netbat66" <netbat66@gmail.com>
To: "jaws" <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 16:21
Subject: how to get to the options menu


hi fokes
how do i get to the options dialog with the new j2019
i have it running in the sys tray. but when i try to open it nowwith jaws j
i
get a tandum remote dialog instead and i can't get out of it to get to the
options menu.
windows 7, 64bit



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Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

James Homuth
 

Couldn't you just copy/paste that log? Granted it's been a while since I've used the wizard, but that's all I had to do.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer
Sent: March-15-19 12:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

there reason is being lazy! figuring their intelligence is greater than those of us who work with their software. I'll give you an example; many people here use the send space wizard. If you're downloading a bunch of files and wish to show the original sender which files had errors, rather than try and remember that bunch of files, you can hit right arrow once from where the "transfer" "tab" shows, and you'll get into the log of the transfer since the wizard was invoked. If you wish to show the original sender the erroneous transfers, you can move the mouse to the line where the file or file(s) descriptions begin, lock the left button down, cursor down to the last line, and perform the marking and drag and drop it into an email to them.

I did this just the other day!