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Re: How do I move into and out of the header/footer pane in MS Word 2016?

Chris Hill
 

For some reason ctrl+f6 is sticking in my head.

On 3/14/2019 18:21, Richard B. McDonald wrote:
Well, as I mentioned at first below, F6 does not do it. The alt+v then h
thing works to get me *into* the header/footer pane, but my problem still
remains once there - I cannot get out of it and back into the document pane.
So, my question persists: how do you move between the header/footer pane and
the document pane?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 11:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How do I move into and out of the header/footer pane in MS Word
2016?

F6 should do it. I always use alt-v, then h. It is a carry-over from
before the ribbon. To insert a header is alt+n, then h.
At 08:41 AM 3/14/2019, you wrote:
Hi!

I am using JAWS 2019 and MS Word 2016 under Windows 7. In a particular
Word document, I went through the ribbons to create a footer, and
ended-up in that pane. But, I got stuck in it and could not figure out
how to move between it and the main document pane. F6 only moved me
around virtual ribbons / status bar / footer pane, never getting back
to the main document pane. So, how do you get into and out of the
footer pane?

Thanks,
Richard




Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

JM Casey
 

Copy and paste work in the areas where they are supposed to work. And that's good. I sure use them a lot too. But as has been said, it's not the same thing; not all software has an edit menu with those options and not all items are clipboard accessible. It's kind of an essential feature and yes, it's probably worth making a fuss about.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: March 14, 2019 7:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

i have never used it either. windows copy and paste has been working for me since windows 95

-----Original Message-----
From: Lino Morales
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 3:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9



Well Steve I don t thinhk its not worth crying over spilled megabites sir. Like
I said I don t use it. Most of us don t so have at it with big bad Vispero if
you want it back.






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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Steve Matzura
<number6@noisynotes.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 5:42:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9


I think we all need to tell them to unretire it. What a ridiculous thing to
do--remove a very useful and sometimes very necessary feature.




On 3/14/2019 5:27 PM, Bill White wrote:


Hi, Brian. Vispero says that CONTROL plus JAWS Key plus NumPad slash has been
retired from JAWS as Drag and Drop. They told me that it was an oversight that
it has not been removed from the documentation files.



Bill White



billwhite92701@dslextreme.com


Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

Stan Bobbitt
 

I still get the message: “Object to be dragged not found. Drag and drop canceled.” When I invoke that command.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 1:44 PM
To: JFW Mailing List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

I don’t know if anyone has noticed, but the command for Drag and Drop (CONTROL plus JAWS Key plus NumPad slash has been removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9. The command is still listed, though, in the help file, and in the Command Search (JAWS Key plus SPACE, followed by J.)

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

JM Casey
 

Yep.

Same guys who tell you to format your entire system rather than try to help you fix a simple problem.

I think that’s why I tried to learn as much as possible about the oS in particular, after getting that advice from an ISP phone tech support guy in the early 2000s.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: March 14, 2019 6:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 06:31 PM, JM Casey wrote:

It is nuts that a support person would claim they are the same thing.

I have often, during my now just short of 40 years in computing, uttered the phrase, "Technical support is often neither technical nor supportive."   QED when someone claims cut, copy, and paste substitute for drag and drop.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


how to get to the options menu

netbat66
 

hi fokes
how do i get to the options dialog with the new j2019
i have it running in the sys tray. but when i try to open it nowwith jaws j i get a tandum remote dialog instead and i can't get out of it to get to the options menu.
windows 7, 64bit



There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.
You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.


Re: How do I move into and out of the header/footer pane in MS Word 2016?

Richard B. McDonald
 

Well, as I mentioned at first below, F6 does not do it. The alt+v then h
thing works to get me *into* the header/footer pane, but my problem still
remains once there - I cannot get out of it and back into the document pane.
So, my question persists: how do you move between the header/footer pane and
the document pane?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 11:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How do I move into and out of the header/footer pane in MS Word
2016?

F6 should do it. I always use alt-v, then h. It is a carry-over from
before the ribbon. To insert a header is alt+n, then h.
At 08:41 AM 3/14/2019, you wrote:
Hi!

I am using JAWS 2019 and MS Word 2016 under Windows 7. In a particular
Word document, I went through the ribbons to create a footer, and
ended-up in that pane. But, I got stuck in it and could not figure out
how to move between it and the main document pane. F6 only moved me
around virtual ribbons / status bar / footer pane, never getting back
to the main document pane. So, how do you get into and out of the
footer pane?

Thanks,
Richard


Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

netbat66
 

i have never used it either. windows copy and paste has been working for me since windows 95

-----Original Message-----
From: Lino Morales
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 3:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9



Well Steve I don�t thinhk its not worth crying over spilled megabites sir. Like I said I don�t use it. Most of us don�t so have at it with big bad Vispero if you want it back.



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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Steve Matzura <number6@noisynotes.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 5:42:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9


I think we all need to tell them to unretire it. What a ridiculous thing to do--remove a very useful and sometimes very necessary feature.




On 3/14/2019 5:27 PM, Bill White wrote:


Hi, Brian. Vispero says that CONTROL plus JAWS Key plus NumPad slash has been retired from JAWS as Drag and Drop. They told me that it was an oversight that it has not been removed from the documentation files.



Bill White



billwhite92701@dslextreme.com


Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

Robert Logue
 

I never used Jaws drag and drop because it never worked for me. Conditions had to be just right. I did some trouble shooting and followed their steps to make it work but it didn't. 


Bob


On 2019-03-14 4:18 p.m., Lino Morales wrote:

Well Steve I don’t thinhk its not worth crying over spilled megabites sir. Like I said I don’t use it. Most of us don’t so have at it with big bad Vispero if you want it back.

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Steve Matzura <number6@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 5:42:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9
 

I think we all  need to tell them to unretire it. What a ridiculous thing to do--remove a very useful and sometimes very necessary feature.


On 3/14/2019 5:27 PM, Bill White wrote:

Hi, Brian. Vispero says that CONTROL plus JAWS Key plus NumPad slash has been retired from JAWS as Drag and Drop. They told me that it was an oversight that it has not been removed from the documentation files.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...



Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

JM Casey
 

Ok, yes, in that case, I agree with you. I’d even go as far as to say it’s absolutely a necessary task to be able to accomplish with the keyboard, even if one doesn’t have to use it much. Sure, copy and paste will work for text, files, etc, in most cases, but not all software is designed to be used that way. I’d love to know their reasons…

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: March 14, 2019 6:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

Hi, Casey. They didn’t say they are the same thing. They said that usually you can get the same result with the clipboard actions as you can with Drag and drop. I don’t agree with what the support person said.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 3:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

Yeah…

It is nuts that a support person would claim they are the same thing.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: March 14, 2019 6:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 06:03 PM, Bill White wrote:

They told me that in most cases, CONTROL plus C, and CONTROL plus V act as drag and drop.

Whoever told you that, well . . .

CTRL+C has been copy and CTRL+V has been paste since day one of Windows.  CTRL+X has been cut.

While one can get the same result using copy or cut and paste for files, there are many, many, many uses for drag and drop beyond file transfer.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Casey. They didn’t say they are the same thing. They said that usually you can get the same result with the clipboard actions as you can with Drag and drop. I don’t agree with what the support person said.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 3:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

Yeah…

It is nuts that a support person would claim they are the same thing.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: March 14, 2019 6:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 06:03 PM, Bill White wrote:

They told me that in most cases, CONTROL plus C, and CONTROL plus V act as drag and drop.

Whoever told you that, well . . .

CTRL+C has been copy and CTRL+V has been paste since day one of Windows.  CTRL+X has been cut.

While one can get the same result using copy or cut and paste for files, there are many, many, many uses for drag and drop beyond file transfer.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 06:31 PM, JM Casey wrote:
It is nuts that a support person would claim they are the same thing.
I have often, during my now just short of 40 years in computing, uttered the phrase, "Technical support is often neither technical nor supportive."   QED when someone claims cut, copy, and paste substitute for drag and drop.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 05:19 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
Vispero will surely get a call from me about this in the morning.
And I doubt that you'll be the only one.   Once "word hits the street" or, more likely, someone goes to use a feature that's been around since day one (practically, it certainly was there when I started with JAWS around 10 years ago) and finds it gone.

As you've already noted, there are plenty of instances where nothing else will do.  This decision makes no sense as it emulates an essential function under Windows which sometimes absolutely must be used.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

JM Casey
 

Yeah…

It is nuts that a support person would claim they are the same thing.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: March 14, 2019 6:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 06:03 PM, Bill White wrote:

They told me that in most cases, CONTROL plus C, and CONTROL plus V act as drag and drop.

Whoever told you that, well . . .

CTRL+C has been copy and CTRL+V has been paste since day one of Windows.  CTRL+X has been cut.

While one can get the same result using copy or cut and paste for files, there are many, many, many uses for drag and drop beyond file transfer.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Well Steve I don’t thinhk its not worth crying over spilled megabites sir. Like I said I don’t use it. Most of us don’t so have at it with big bad Vispero if you want it back.

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Steve Matzura <number6@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 5:42:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9
 

I think we all  need to tell them to unretire it. What a ridiculous thing to do--remove a very useful and sometimes very necessary feature.


On 3/14/2019 5:27 PM, Bill White wrote:

Hi, Brian. Vispero says that CONTROL plus JAWS Key plus NumPad slash has been retired from JAWS as Drag and Drop. They told me that it was an oversight that it has not been removed from the documentation files.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...



Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 06:03 PM, Bill White wrote:
They told me that in most cases, CONTROL plus C, and CONTROL plus V act as drag and drop.
Whoever told you that, well . . .

CTRL+C has been copy and CTRL+V has been paste since day one of Windows.  CTRL+X has been cut.

While one can get the same result using copy or cut and paste for files, there are many, many, many uses for drag and drop beyond file transfer.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

They told me that in most cases, CONTROL plus C, and CONTROL plus V act as drag and drop. However, there are cases where the object to be dragged and dropped doesn’t respond to the clipboard actions.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 2:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

I think we all  need to tell them to unretire it. What a ridiculous thing to do--remove a very useful and sometimes very necessary feature.

 

On 3/14/2019 5:27 PM, Bill White wrote:

Hi, Brian. Vispero says that CONTROL plus JAWS Key plus NumPad slash has been retired from JAWS as Drag and Drop. They told me that it was an oversight that it has not been removed from the documentation files.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

Steve Matzura
 

I think we all  need to tell them to unretire it. What a ridiculous thing to do--remove a very useful and sometimes very necessary feature.


On 3/14/2019 5:27 PM, Bill White wrote:

Hi, Brian. Vispero says that CONTROL plus JAWS Key plus NumPad slash has been retired from JAWS as Drag and Drop. They told me that it was an oversight that it has not been removed from the documentation files.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...



Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Brian. Vispero says that CONTROL plus JAWS Key plus NumPad slash has been retired from JAWS as Drag and Drop. They told me that it was an oversight that it has not been removed from the documentation files.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 03:57 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

I never have and that’s not one of thingies they teach you at these blindy rehab centers.

Which is all too true and all too sad.   There are times, not many, but enough, when drag and drop, either literal or emulated through the keyboard, is the only way to accomplish a given task.

Also, given that this is a fundamental function of any GUI OS, and has been part and parcel of every screen reader I've dealt with, the probability that documentation has gotten screwed up is incredibly higher than the probability of such a basic function ever being dropped (and for the reasons I mentioned).
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

Steve Matzura
 

Who uses drag and drop? I do. Couldn't run certain software without it. I don't use it or need it often, but when I do, I'm sure glad it's there. Thanks for the alert that it's been removed. Vispero will surely get a call from me about this in the morning.


On 3/14/2019 3:07 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Well JM you can shell out $90 for a home annual license sir. But anyway, who uses drag and drop anyway? I never have and that’s not one of thingies they teach you at these blindy rehab centers.

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of JM Casey <jmcasey@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 2:30:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9
 

I’m still on JAWS 2018; I won’t be updating until I can shell out some cash for it, I suppose.

 

But wait and see if anybody else can duplicate this problem. Anybody?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: March 14, 2019 2:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

I hope this comes back in the next update. Until then I won't be updating.

 

thank you for letting us know.

 

On 2019-03-14 12:44 p.m., JM Casey wrote:

Wow, strange. Why on earth would they do that?

Mistake maybe?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: March 14, 2019 1:44 PM
To: JFW Mailing List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

I don’t know if anyone has noticed, but the command for Drag and Drop (CONTROL plus JAWS Key plus NumPad slash has been removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9. The command is still listed, though, in the help file, and in the Command Search (JAWS Key plus SPACE, followed by J.)

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


JAWS script for Image describer NVDA add-on

Oliver Edholm
 

Hi everyone!
I'm wondering if people would be interested of a JAWS script version for an NVDA add-on I've made.
The add-on is called "Image describer", it takes the current navigator object and then says what it contains by looking at it visually. Kind of like the Facebook auto alt text, but this works anywhere.

The add on can be downloaded at http://www.screenreader.ai/
Since the feedback from the NVDA community has been very positive I thought that a JAWS version would be also appreciated by people.