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Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

Steve Nutt
 

Well JAWS, can, but the JAWS cursor can't.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: 20 February 2019 22:22
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display
drivers?

I believe it has to do with the technology that is used in Windows 10 to
display information on the screen (UIA) and JAWS cannot access that
information as before Windows 10 came along.



-------- Original Message --------
From: Daniel Wolak [mailto:danielwolak97@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wed, Feb 20, 2019 9:05 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

Glad I'm not the only one having jaws cursor difficulties.

Out of curiosity, is there a story behind why the jaws cursor has become far
less reliable in recent versions?

I may have also missed this as I've been away from jaws for several years.
Thanks,

Daniel

On 19/02/2019 16:22, Maria Campbell wrote:

Looking forward to the day when the JAWS cursor works again.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@gmail.com

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~

On 2/19/2019 12:19 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws
2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type
all or part of the word "accessibility" driver and you can then uncheck the
accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called "GDI
Hooking". This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big
deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but
many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by
default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once
was or better.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Dave...
*Sent:* Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display
drivers?

James,

Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----

*From:*James Homuth <mailto:james@the-jdh.com>

*To:*jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

*Sent:*Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52

*Subject:*Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display
drivers?

I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped
mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is
it? Asking as we're running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with
the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but
doesn't have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we're having to
run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it.
That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and
mirror drivers don't support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't
use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times
easier.


Re: what is the key stroke in jaws to update a pass word in chrome?

Steve Nutt
 

Alt+Shift+A is better, because you don’t have to F6 through other panes.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 20 February 2019 21:59
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: what is the key stroke in jaws to update a pass word in chrome?

 

Hi Jim,

 

Pressing f6 should take you to that message. You may need to shift tab to find the update button.

 

Cheers,

 

Ed 

 


On 20 Feb 2019, at 21:45, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Without knowing exactly what the dialog is saying to you it's impossible to advise.

That being said, if you are logged in to Chrome itself, all password management is done using the Google Account that you used as the Chrome login.  If this is the same one you're using for Gmail, Drive, etc., then you can go directly to:   https://passwords.google.com  for that account, as they will be saved and managed there.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: what is the key stroke in jaws to update a pass word in chrome?

Steve Nutt
 

Brian,

 

It’s Alt+Shift+a, this will get you to any Chrome notification.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 20 February 2019 21:45
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: what is the key stroke in jaws to update a pass word in chrome?

 

Without knowing exactly what the dialog is saying to you it's impossible to advise.

That being said, if you are logged in to Chrome itself, all password management is done using the Google Account that you used as the Chrome login.  If this is the same one you're using for Gmail, Drive, etc., then you can go directly to:   https://passwords.google.com  for that account, as they will be saved and managed there.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

Steve Nutt
 

Yes, it’s the way Windows renders stuff on the screen now.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel Wolak
Sent: 20 February 2019 14:06
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Glad I'm not the only one having jaws cursor difficulties.

Out of curiosity, is there a story behind why the jaws cursor has become far less reliable in recent versions?

I may have also missed this as I've been away from jaws for several years.

Thanks,

 

Daniel

 

On 19/02/2019 16:22, Maria Campbell wrote:

Looking forward to the day when the JAWS cursor works again.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 2/19/2019 12:19 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

James,

 

Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52

Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.


Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

If you haven’t run into a lot of issues at this point just don’t worry about it until this becomes more of a thing, so far it is not and it’s being tested and FS is working on this.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Debbie April Yuille
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 6:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Ok, so I guess what I want to know is, does it improve things if I uncheck it or are results the same.

 

Debbie

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2019 12:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Hi Debbie,

 

In Windows 10, you can uncheck it, but if any programs don’t read correctly, you’ll need to check it again.

 

For example, as I said, Notetab Pro won’t read if you uncheck accessibility driver.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Debbie April Yuille
Sent: 20 February 2019 13:08
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Hi Steve

 

Should I have the accessibility driver checked or unchecked in windows 10?

 

Thanks

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2019 8:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Hi,

 

Try the touch cursor, even if you have a keyboard.  I’d say it’s almost as good.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: 19 February 2019 16:23
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Looking forward to the day when the JAWS cursor works again.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 2/19/2019 12:19 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

James,

 

Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: James Homuth

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52

Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.


Re: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

 

How old is your laptop? I have an Acer laptop from I think it was 2012 or 2013 with a second generation i5 processor and 6Gb of RAM and it runs Windows 10 just fine. Only thing I upgraded was the original hard drive which I replaced with an SSD and that is the single most big thing you can do to any computer which has a traditional hard drive. You can get a 500Gb SSD nowadays for $100 or $120 and with that and a new installation of Windows you might be surprised.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 2:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

 

Sieghard,

 

Appreciate the suggestion, but alas, my Dell Latitude PC is not capable of supporting Windows 10 -- I gave it a baleful try about a year ago, with nearly disastrous results. Even the MS technicians threw their virtual hands up after trying to help.

 

So if I need to purchase new hardware, I'm inclined first to dive into the Mac and OS first, and if I really do crash with that, then go buy a reasonably-priced laptop with a separate numpad and the current Windows 10 OS...like I really have all that money...

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 09:05

Subject: Re: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

 

Well, but now you did reveal it and I’ll post it on all the hacker forums so expect to be highjacked shortly *Smile*

In a way I had better access to some of my applications with Jaws under Windows 7, but I still don’t regret upgrading to Windows 10 since it is such a superior operating system. Windows 10 as well as Jaws running under Windows 10 virtually never crash any more, of course there are always exceptions, but let’s say it’s something like 90% less than with Windows 7.

I don’t want to tell you to do this since everybody has to decide for themselves, but before you spend all that money for a Mac you should probably give Windows 10 a try. Of course it also depends a lot on whether you are up to date on Jaws and SMA’s or if you mind spending $90 a year for a Jaws subscription. Yes, Voiceover is free, but Mac computers still are more expensive and there is a reason why even people like Jonathan Mosen who is proficient with both systems prefers to work with Windows when it comes to productivity stuff like word processing, spreadsheets and so on. If you don’t need them then maybe that is different although I also think Jaws with Chrome is way more efficient on the web than Voiceover with Safari.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

 

Sieghard,

 

Yes, I do feel so ancient at times...I won't even reveal that my larger audio workstation is still running Windows XP Service Pack 3...

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 08:40

Subject: Re: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

 

Yes, sorry, forgot you are still on Windows 7.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 8:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

 

Sieghard,

 

Is that Windows+A limited to Windows 10?

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 07:51

Subject: Re: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

 

Try to press Windows Key + A and see what notifications you have there and clear them.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 6:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

 

Hi All,

 

A couple of days ago JAWS started giving me a message “new notification”.  I get no other message.  I tried the JAWS scanning option on the window, but JAWS said there is no window.  Any ideas on how I access this message?  I hate to just ignore it, in case it is some sort of security risk.

 

Thanks,

Tim Ford

 


Re: ICloud for Windows and JAWS

 

The fact is that this needs to be configured through the iCloud Control Panel which last I heard and last I tried was completely inaccessible. You may need sighted help or see if Microsoft Accessibility can help.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Barbara
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: ICloud for Windows and JAWS

 

Well I do not find any such folder in the Users folder.  I looked around a bunch.  I did find one drive and an ICloud photos folders.  You said if properly set up.  How to troubleshoot this?

 

Thanks.

 

Barbara

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 12:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: ICloud for Windows and JAWS

 

If it is properly set up an iCloud Drive folder will be created on your computer, I believe it is in your user folder, and just as with Dropbox and OneDrive files that are saved in it will appear in it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Barbara
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 4:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: ICloud for Windows and JAWS

 

Hello Everyone

 

I have some files on my IPhone which I wish to transfer to my Windows 7 computer.  The files are currently located in the Files folder on my IPhone.  It was suggested I use ICloud for Windows.  I have never used it before.  I had it on my computer from some unknown cause in the past.  Anyhow, I opened the program and it requested my Apple ID and password.  I provided that.  Then nothing clear is happening.  I pressed insert-W and it gave me a list of basic windows hot keys.  I tabbed some and got something which said check box but did not let me know what it was for.  I can tab to various things.  One was storage.  I went into that and could not figure it out as I tabbed around. 

 

Note I am using JAWS 2019.

 

Any tips on how to use this program?  I also have a second computer which is Windows 10, so if the tips are different for each OS, let me know both.

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

Barbara

 


Re: Front Motion Firefox

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Maria. Here is what one page on Google has to say about FrontMotion
Firefox. Note the line in the article where they say:

"FrontMotion Firefox Community Edition is not Mozilla Firefox since there
are code changes."

FrontMotion Firefox Community Edition is a customized version of Firefox
with the ability to lockdown settings through Active Directory using
Administrative
Templates. Similar to lockdown settings with mozilla.cfg on one computer,
you can now use Administrative Templates to enforce settings across your
organization.
Save time and frustration with our installer that is targeted toward the
corporate IT administrator with manageability and upgradeability in mind.
Note
FrontMotion Firefox Community Edition is not Mozilla Firefox since there are
code changes. FrontMotion Firefox Community Edition is freely available in
many languages.


Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Reyes
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 4:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Front Motion Firefox

Hi!
On my school laptop (i think it's a Lenovo thinkpad running windows 10) on
the desktop there is an icon labeled Front motion Firefox. I know it's the
Firefox browser but what does Front Motion mean? Oh The laptop was recently
upgraded from Win 7. Running Jaws 2018.

Sent from my Sprint iPhone X!!!
see: tech4theblind+subscribe@groups.io if you want to talk blind
technology!!


Front Motion Firefox

Maria Reyes
 

Hi!
On my school laptop (i think it's a Lenovo thinkpad running windows 10) on the desktop there is an icon labeled Front motion Firefox. I know it's the Firefox browser but what does Front Motion mean? Oh The laptop was recently upgraded from Win 7. Running Jaws 2018.

Sent from my Sprint iPhone X!!!
see: tech4theblind+subscribe@groups.io if you want to talk blind technology!!


Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

Debbie April Yuille
 

Ok, so I guess what I want to know is, does it improve things if I uncheck it or are results the same.

 

Debbie

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2019 12:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Hi Debbie,

 

In Windows 10, you can uncheck it, but if any programs don’t read correctly, you’ll need to check it again.

 

For example, as I said, Notetab Pro won’t read if you uncheck accessibility driver.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Debbie April Yuille
Sent: 20 February 2019 13:08
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Hi Steve

 

Should I have the accessibility driver checked or unchecked in windows 10?

 

Thanks

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2019 8:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Hi,

 

Try the touch cursor, even if you have a keyboard.  I’d say it’s almost as good.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: 19 February 2019 16:23
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Looking forward to the day when the JAWS cursor works again.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 2/19/2019 12:19 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

James,

 

Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52

Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.


Re: Getting Sound in Windows Safe Mode with Networking.

netbat66
 

i don't know why its doing this. but . . .
i have firefox set to ask me where to save a downloaded file.
in this case it never did ask. it downloaded to the last folder i downloaded a file to and no notification to tell me where it went. nothing came up.
so i have 6 copies of the file now. grin.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 11:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Getting Sound in Windows Safe Mode with Networking.

It's impossible for me to offer any ideas as to why the download function would "stop dead" on anyone's machine, particularly before commencing.

If I paste the URL in on Firefox, Chrome, or Edge I instantly get a Save dialog for the download. The URL manipulation I use to force immediate download has been the same for years now, the only thing that changes is the file identifier.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

Dave...
 


Sieghard,
 
Appreciate the suggestion, but alas, my Dell Latitude PC is not capable of supporting Windows 10 -- I gave it a baleful try about a year ago, with nearly disastrous results. Even the MS technicians threw their virtual hands up after trying to help.
 
So if I need to purchase new hardware, I'm inclined first to dive into the Mac and OS first, and if I really do crash with that, then go buy a reasonably-priced laptop with a separate numpad and the current Windows 10 OS...like I really have all that money...
 
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 09:05
Subject: Re: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

Well, but now you did reveal it and I’ll post it on all the hacker forums so expect to be highjacked shortly *Smile*

In a way I had better access to some of my applications with Jaws under Windows 7, but I still don’t regret upgrading to Windows 10 since it is such a superior operating system. Windows 10 as well as Jaws running under Windows 10 virtually never crash any more, of course there are always exceptions, but let’s say it’s something like 90% less than with Windows 7.

I don’t want to tell you to do this since everybody has to decide for themselves, but before you spend all that money for a Mac you should probably give Windows 10 a try. Of course it also depends a lot on whether you are up to date on Jaws and SMA’s or if you mind spending $90 a year for a Jaws subscription. Yes, Voiceover is free, but Mac computers still are more expensive and there is a reason why even people like Jonathan Mosen who is proficient with both systems prefers to work with Windows when it comes to productivity stuff like word processing, spreadsheets and so on. If you don’t need them then maybe that is different although I also think Jaws with Chrome is way more efficient on the web than Voiceover with Safari.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

 

Sieghard,

 

Yes, I do feel so ancient at times...I won't even reveal that my larger audio workstation is still running Windows XP Service Pack 3...

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 08:40

Subject: Re: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

 

Yes, sorry, forgot you are still on Windows 7.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 8:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

 

Sieghard,

 

Is that Windows+A limited to Windows 10?

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 07:51

Subject: Re: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

 

Try to press Windows Key + A and see what notifications you have there and clear them.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 6:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

 

Hi All,

 

A couple of days ago JAWS started giving me a message “new notification”.  I get no other message.  I tried the JAWS scanning option on the window, but JAWS said there is no window.  Any ideas on how I access this message?  I hate to just ignore it, in case it is some sort of security risk.

 

Thanks,

Tim Ford

 


Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

Mario
 

I believe it has to do with the technology that is used in Windows 10 to
display information on the screen (UIA) and JAWS cannot access that
information as before Windows 10 came along.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Daniel Wolak [mailto:danielwolak97@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wed, Feb 20, 2019 9:05 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

Glad I'm not the only one having jaws cursor difficulties.

Out of curiosity, is there a story behind why the jaws cursor has become
far less reliable in recent versions?

I may have also missed this as I've been away from jaws for several years.
Thanks,

Daniel

On 19/02/2019 16:22, Maria Campbell wrote:

Looking forward to the day when the JAWS cursor works again.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@gmail.com

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~

On 2/19/2019 12:19 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws
2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings
and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can
then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method
with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and
Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may
work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately
the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the
functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Dave...
*Sent:* Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror
display drivers?

James,

Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around
JAWS 15.

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----

*From:*James Homuth <mailto:james@the-jdh.com>

*To:*jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

*Sent:*Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52

*Subject:*Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display
drivers?

I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that
dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so,
which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror
drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of
this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I
occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier
primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That
creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly,
and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS
that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my
life about 5 times easier.


Re: what is the key stroke in jaws to update a pass word in chrome?

Edward Green
 

Hi Jim,

Pressing f6 should take you to that message. You may need to shift tab to find the update button.

Cheers,

Ed 


On 20 Feb 2019, at 21:45, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Without knowing exactly what the dialog is saying to you it's impossible to advise.

That being said, if you are logged in to Chrome itself, all password management is done using the Google Account that you used as the Chrome login.  If this is the same one you're using for Gmail, Drive, etc., then you can go directly to:   https://passwords.google.com  for that account, as they will be saved and managed there.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: what is the key stroke in jaws to update a pass word in chrome?

 

Without knowing exactly what the dialog is saying to you it's impossible to advise.

That being said, if you are logged in to Chrome itself, all password management is done using the Google Account that you used as the Chrome login.  If this is the same one you're using for Gmail, Drive, etc., then you can go directly to:   https://passwords.google.com  for that account, as they will be saved and managed there.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


what is the key stroke in jaws to update a pass word in chrome?

Jim Rawls
 

Hi all,

As you know I’m trying to learn to use Chrome, and so far it ain’t fun. Smile. anyway, I am trying to update my pass word in bard. I have put the pass word in, and chrome wants to update the pass word. So, how do I do that? I tried the alt key and the letter U and it didn’t work. so, if anyone knows how to update a pass word in Chrome, please send it to me. I’m getting tired of messing up here. Frustrated. Jim


Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

Daniel Wolak
 

Glad I'm not the only one having jaws cursor difficulties.

Out of curiosity, is there a story behind why the jaws cursor has become far less reliable in recent versions?

I may have also missed this as I've been away from jaws for several years.
Thanks,

Daniel

On 19/02/2019 16:22, Maria Campbell wrote:

Looking forward to the day when the JAWS cursor works again.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~

On 2/19/2019 12:19 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

James,

 

Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52

Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.


Re: Getting Sound in Windows Safe Mode with Networking.

 

It's impossible for me to offer any ideas as to why the download function would "stop dead" on anyone's machine, particularly before commencing.

If I paste the URL in on Firefox, Chrome, or Edge I instantly get a Save dialog for the download.  The URL manipulation I use to force immediate download has been the same for years now, the only thing that changes is the file identifier.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Getting Sound in Windows Safe Mode with Networking.

Mario
 

try it with Chrome.

-------- Original Message --------
From: netbat66 [mailto:netbat66@gmail.com]
Sent: Wed, Feb 20, 2019 1:09 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Getting Sound in Windows Safe Mode with Networking.

   nope,
i tried it with firefox and i e windows 7 and it still doesn't do
anything. i just get the word new tab and thats as far as it will go.
e
-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 10:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Getting Sound in Windows Safe Mode with Networking.

I had no problems as soon as I pressed enter on the link Chrome opened
and 2 seconds later jaws announced that the download was complete. It'
son Google Drive after all, I doubt a few people downloading that file
will bring it down.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Getting Sound in Windows Safe Mode with Networking.

we brought your site down. grin.
it is not loading and i waited 10 minutes to see if anything would happen.


-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 3:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Getting Sound in Windows Safe Mode with Networking.

I am creating a new topic since updating the batch script used to
achieve this end.  The new one will work under Windows 7, 8, 8.1, and
10.  It also does not require that the folder be unzipped only to your
Desktop, but that's still what I'm suggesting.  Everything is disposable
after you've run the batch script.

The ZIP file is on my Google Drive, and can be downloaded by activating:
SoundInSafeMode.zip

The first two steps in the installation instructions are:


You MUST be logged in using a Windows 7, 8.1, or 10 account with admin
privileges in order for this to work.

1. Download the file at
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=12M9B8JK5EXQYBFbmPHc2lTgdsaI1uTEv


   to your Desktop.

2. Unzip the SoundInSafeMode.ZIP file on your Desktop.  Simply select
the ZIP file, bring up the context menu, and choose Extract All.  You
should end up with a folder named SoundInSafeMode on your Desktop.

The remaining instructions are in the file InstallationInstructions.txt
which will be one of 4 files that get unzipped into the SoundInSafeMode
folder on your Desktop.


Re: Warning - Uncheck "Accessibility Driver at your own risk

Jason White
 

It's fine here with Windows 10 (64-bit).

On 2/19/19, 15:53, "netbat66" <main@jfw.groups.io on behalf of netbat66@gmail.com> wrote:

mine did not crash with windows 7 home 64bit.
you could backup the jaws 2019 folder before you uncheck that box. then if it
does crash you can load another screen reader and copy the original 2019 folder
files back and you would be back the way you were before it crashed.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave...
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Warning - Uncheck "Accessibility Driver at your own risk


Mike,

Okay, so I have Windows 7. Therefore I should not have unchecked the "Use
accessibility driver" in the default setting.

Because I cannot even do a JAWS 2019 repair now. It crashes. I'm back to JAWS
2018 until I unscramble this mess.

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 06:00
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display
drivers?

Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the default Settings
Center:
The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software
that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This
information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by
review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS
scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying
information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor
technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information
previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver.
This check box is selected by default.
Take Care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave...
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display
drivers?

Sieghard,

Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS
2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display
drivers?


Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you
can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part
of the word �accessibility� driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility
driver and use the more modern method with is called �GDI Hooking�. This is
currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since
some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not.
Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the
functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.







From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groupsio> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display
drivers?







James,







Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.







Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer











----- Original Message -----



From: James Homuth



To: jfw@groups.io



Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52



Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?







I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror
display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it?
Asking as we�re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the
Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn�t
have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we�re having to run
Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That
creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror
drivers don�t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn�t use the
mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.