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Re: Warning - Uncheck "Accessibility Driver at your own risk

netbat66
 

mine did not crash with windows 7 home 64bit.
you could backup the jaws 2019 folder before you uncheck that box. then if it does crash you can load another screen reader and copy the original 2019 folder files back and you would be back the way you were before it crashed.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave...
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Warning - Uncheck "Accessibility Driver at your own risk


Mike,

Okay, so I have Windows 7. Therefore I should not have unchecked the "Use accessibility driver" in the default setting.

Because I cannot even do a JAWS 2019 repair now. It crashes. I'm back to JAWS 2018 until I unscramble this mess.

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 06:00
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the default Settings Center:
The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver.
This check box is selected by default.
Take Care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave...
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

Sieghard,

Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?


Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word �accessibility� driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called �GDI Hooking�. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.







From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groupsio> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?







James,







Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.







Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer











----- Original Message -----



From: James Homuth



To: jfw@groups.io



Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52



Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?







I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we�re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn�t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we�re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don�t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn�t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
Re: assistance

Gerald Levy
 

Captcha Be Gone is dead, and according to reports on other discussion forums, it may also be a scam because people who have signed up on their site have discovered that it no longer works, and that there is no way to contact its developer to obtain a refund of the $36 annual fee because he has abandoned it and apparently absconded with the money.  So caveat emptor:


https://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?id=24467


Gerald



Gerald

On 2/19/2019 2:57 PM, Kane Brolin wrote:
My understanding is that JAWS has no built-in algorithm for solving
visual CAPTCHAs.

I would recommend using CAPTCHA Be Gone, a tool that should work with
Internet Explorer or Firefox. https://captchabegone.com/user/register
You will have to create an account with that service and sign in.

Kind regards,

Kane Brolin
Re: assistance

Don Mauck
 

You really need to report this as an accessibility violation to the owner of that site.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 1:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: assistance

most blind users who own an iPhone use the free BeMyEyes app. and some even use the AIRA service if they already use it for other reasons.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Tue, Feb 19, 2019 3:10 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: assistance

Well, Bob, you can either pay to solve captchas or you can have them
remain unsolved, or use a sighted person every time you want a captcha
solved.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of bob jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: assistance

You're kidding! That thing charges $3 a month simply to access captias?
Now that's one of the stupidest ideas I've recently encountered. Paying
to solve Captias.


On 2/19/2019 2:57 PM, Kane Brolin wrote:
My understanding is that JAWS has no built-in algorithm for solving
visual CAPTCHAs.

I would recommend using CAPTCHA Be Gone, a tool that should work with
Internet Explorer or Firefox. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__captchabegone.com_user_register&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=EQ0xAgqxGediPFS2iJyMwtaJACO0PE04qO0-xFG1duE&m=t_SDuXr-nw_wyuT4lvfCfx3CvyG9kyKCuyT43pOWl_g&s=iogfJl7GRsGkdSOME8CTrtD7AZB2ZP9vMPuiLvfBYwc&e=
You will have to create an account with that service and sign in.

Kind regards,

Kane Brolin













.
Re: assistance

Mario
 

most blind users who own an iPhone use the free BeMyEyes app. and some
even use the AIRA service if they already use it for other reasons.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Tue, Feb 19, 2019 3:10 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: assistance

Well, Bob, you can either pay to solve captchas or you can have them
remain unsolved, or use a sighted person every time you want a captcha
solved.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of bob jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: assistance

You're kidding! That thing charges $3 a month simply to access captias?
Now that's one of the stupidest ideas I've recently encountered. Paying
to solve Captias.


On 2/19/2019 2:57 PM, Kane Brolin wrote:
My understanding is that JAWS has no built-in algorithm for solving
visual CAPTCHAs.

I would recommend using CAPTCHA Be Gone, a tool that should work with
Internet Explorer or Firefox. https://captchabegone.com/user/register
You will have to create an account with that service and sign in.

Kind regards,

Kane Brolin













.
Re: assistance

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Well, Bob, you can either pay to solve captchas or you can have them remain unsolved, or use a sighted person every time you want a captcha solved.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of bob jutzi
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: assistance

You're kidding! That thing charges $3 a month simply to access captias?
Now that's one of the stupidest ideas I've recently encountered. Paying
to solve Captias.


On 2/19/2019 2:57 PM, Kane Brolin wrote:
My understanding is that JAWS has no built-in algorithm for solving
visual CAPTCHAs.

I would recommend using CAPTCHA Be Gone, a tool that should work with
Internet Explorer or Firefox. https://captchabegone.com/user/register
You will have to create an account with that service and sign in.

Kind regards,

Kane Brolin
Re: assistance

bob jutzi <jutzi@...>
 

You're kidding!  That thing charges $3 a month simply to access captias?
Now that's one of the stupidest ideas I've recently encountered.  Paying
to solve Captias.

On 2/19/2019 2:57 PM, Kane Brolin wrote:
My understanding is that JAWS has no built-in algorithm for solving
visual CAPTCHAs.

I would recommend using CAPTCHA Be Gone, a tool that should work with
Internet Explorer or Firefox. https://captchabegone.com/user/register
You will have to create an account with that service and sign in.

Kind regards,

Kane Brolin
Re: assistance

Kane Brolin
 

My understanding is that JAWS has no built-in algorithm for solving
visual CAPTCHAs.

I would recommend using CAPTCHA Be Gone, a tool that should work with
Internet Explorer or Firefox. https://captchabegone.com/user/register
You will have to create an account with that service and sign in.

Kind regards,

Kane Brolin
Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

Dave...
 

James,
 
All well understood, but knowing that JAWS 2019 will run on a Win 7 machine, I pointed out to them just now that they should either disable that choice when a Win 7 op system is detected (and I'm sure that's easy for them to do), or at least put some warnings in their description text.
 
By the time they come out with a JAWS version that does not run on Windows 7, I'll be on a MacBook and away from JAWS.
 
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 11:34
Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

On a related note, you’ve just discovered a hidden warning it may be worth planning for. Specifically, I wouldn’t hold my breath on JAWS continuing to support Win7 after about version 2020 or 2021. That’s too fundamental a change to make backwards compatible, especially if it proves to actually fix the JAWS cursor issue in later OS’s. Plus, you know, there’s that whole thing about Win7 not being supported past 2020 by Microsoft.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: February-19-19 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

Update. Finally got JAWS 2019 working. Had to remove and install fresh, and also had to delete/rename the last two user settings that had changed: settings.ini and default.jcf. In retrospect, I suspect that if I had simply used NVDA to go to my user settings in JAWS 2019 and just deleted those two files, JAWS 2019 would have repaired itself just fine. But man, that was pretty daunting and a time-waste.

 

If you have Windows 7, absolutely *do not* uncheck that Accessibility Driver in the default settings.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave...

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 08:25

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Mike,

 

Nope. You're absolutely correct.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Mote

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 07:58

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Hi Mike.  If I am not mistaken, I believe the Mirror Display driver is used on Windows 7 computers, and is replaced by the Accessibility driver starting with the Windows 8 operating system.  Anyone using Windows 7 should continue using the Mirror display driver.  That was my understanding of the process, but I could be wrong.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the default Settings Center:

The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver.
This check box is selected by default.

Take Care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave...

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Sieghard,

 

Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

James,

 

Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: James Homuth

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52

Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

James Homuth
 

On a related note, you’ve just discovered a hidden warning it may be worth planning for. Specifically, I wouldn’t hold my breath on JAWS continuing to support Win7 after about version 2020 or 2021. That’s too fundamental a change to make backwards compatible, especially if it proves to actually fix the JAWS cursor issue in later OS’s. Plus, you know, there’s that whole thing about Win7 not being supported past 2020 by Microsoft.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: February-19-19 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

Update. Finally got JAWS 2019 working. Had to remove and install fresh, and also had to delete/rename the last two user settings that had changed: settings.ini and default.jcf. In retrospect, I suspect that if I had simply used NVDA to go to my user settings in JAWS 2019 and just deleted those two files, JAWS 2019 would have repaired itself just fine. But man, that was pretty daunting and a time-waste.

 

If you have Windows 7, absolutely *do not* uncheck that Accessibility Driver in the default settings.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave...

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 08:25

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Mike,

 

Nope. You're absolutely correct.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 07:58

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Hi Mike.  If I am not mistaken, I believe the Mirror Display driver is used on Windows 7 computers, and is replaced by the Accessibility driver starting with the Windows 8 operating system.  Anyone using Windows 7 should continue using the Mirror display driver.  That was my understanding of the process, but I could be wrong.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the default Settings Center:

The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver.
This check box is selected by default.

Take Care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave...

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Sieghard,

 

Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

James,

 

Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52

Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
assistance

Aidan
 

Hello to all, is there anyone who may know how jaws may read the recapture code on some websites where there is no audio challenge. thanks
Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

Mike B. <mike9902@...>
 

Hi Dave,
 
Another way to do it using a different Jaws version if this ever happens again or something similar is the following.
Note: I'm using Jaws 16 to access the Jaws2019 settings.
1. Press, Windows key + R, to open the Run dialogue, type a single period, as in a period at the end of a sentence, and press enter.  This is a shortcut keystroke to your User / Name folder.
2. Press enter on, AppData, press enter on, Roaming, and press enter on, Freedom Scientific.
3. Press enter on, JAWS, navigate to the Jaws version you need to work with, press enter, arrow to / highlight, Settings, press enter, arrow to / highlight, ENU, and press enter.
Now in the Jaws2019 ENU folder you can remove or do whatever you have to do to the necessary files.
Take Care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave...
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:29 AM
Subject: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

Update. Finally got JAWS 2019 working. Had to remove and install fresh, and also had to delete/rename the last two user settings that had changed: settings.ini and default.jcf. In retrospect, I suspect that if I had simply used NVDA to go to my user settings in JAWS 2019 and just deleted those two files, JAWS 2019 would have repaired itself just fine. But man, that was pretty daunting and a time-waste.
 
If you have Windows 7, absolutely *do not* uncheck that Accessibility Driver in the default settings.
 
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave...
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 08:25
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

Mike,
 
Nope. You're absolutely correct.
 
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 07:58
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

Hi Mike.  If I am not mistaken, I believe the Mirror Display driver is used on Windows 7 computers, and is replaced by the Accessibility driver starting with the Windows 8 operating system.  Anyone using Windows 7 should continue using the Mirror display driver.  That was my understanding of the process, but I could be wrong.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the default Settings Center:

The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver.
This check box is selected by default.

Take Care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave...

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Sieghard,

 

Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

James,

 

Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: James Homuth

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52

Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

Dave...
 

Update. Finally got JAWS 2019 working. Had to remove and install fresh, and also had to delete/rename the last two user settings that had changed: settings.ini and default.jcf. In retrospect, I suspect that if I had simply used NVDA to go to my user settings in JAWS 2019 and just deleted those two files, JAWS 2019 would have repaired itself just fine. But man, that was pretty daunting and a time-waste.
 
If you have Windows 7, absolutely *do not* uncheck that Accessibility Driver in the default settings.
 
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave...
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 08:25
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

Mike,
 
Nope. You're absolutely correct.
 
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 07:58
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

Hi Mike.  If I am not mistaken, I believe the Mirror Display driver is used on Windows 7 computers, and is replaced by the Accessibility driver starting with the Windows 8 operating system.  Anyone using Windows 7 should continue using the Mirror display driver.  That was my understanding of the process, but I could be wrong.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the default Settings Center:

The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver.
This check box is selected by default.

Take Care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave...

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Sieghard,

 

Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

James,

 

Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: James Homuth

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52

Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
Re: Question from a jaws for windows list member

Brian Vogel
 

Asked and answered, I believe, already:  Drop Down List in Excel
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Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

Dave...
 

Mike,
 
Nope. You're absolutely correct.
 
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 07:58
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

Hi Mike.  If I am not mistaken, I believe the Mirror Display driver is used on Windows 7 computers, and is replaced by the Accessibility driver starting with the Windows 8 operating system.  Anyone using Windows 7 should continue using the Mirror display driver.  That was my understanding of the process, but I could be wrong.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the default Settings Center:

The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver.
This check box is selected by default.

Take Care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave...

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Sieghard,

 

Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

James,

 

Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: James Homuth

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52

Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

Maria Campbell
 

Looking forward to the day when the JAWS cursor works again.


Maria Campbell
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On 2/19/2019 12:19 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

James,

 

Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: James Homuth

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52

Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
Question from a jaws for windows list member

Jay <jcoffin@...>
 




Begin forwarded message:

From: Vispero Technical Support <support@...>
Date: February 18, 2019 at 11:04:06 AM MST
To: "'jcoffin@...'" <jcoffin@...>
Subject: RE: Question from a jaws for windows list member

Dear Valued Customer:

 

Thank you for contacting Vispero™ Technical Support. The question that this user posed does not actually related to any of our products. However, this user should consider some of these other sources where he may find the answer he needs.

 

* Check the documentation for either Microsoft Windows or Microsoft Excel.

 

* Call the Microsoft Accessibility Hotline at (800)936-5900 for their assistance.

 

If you have any additional questions regarding this or any other issue, please don't hesitate to contact us.

 

If replying to this message, be sure to include all previous correspondence pertaining to this matter so that we might better assist you.

 

Sincerely,

 

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From: jcoffin@... <jcoffin@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 12:12 PM
To: Vispero Technical Support <support@...>
Subject: Question from a jaws for windows list member

 

Hi.

 

I got this email in my inbox this morning, so I’m forwarding this message on behalf of the person who sent it to me. This message is from the main@jfw.groups.io list.

 

Message:

 

Hello,

 

Is there a way for me to quickly jump to an item in a drop down list in Excel? I am having to work with a spreadsheet that has several drop downs that

are very long and if I could quickly jump to a particular part of the list then it would make my job a little easier.

 

Thank You,

 

Scott Rumery
Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

Michael Mote
 

Hi Mike.  If I am not mistaken, I believe the Mirror Display driver is used on Windows 7 computers, and is replaced by the Accessibility driver starting with the Windows 8 operating system.  Anyone using Windows 7 should continue using the Mirror display driver.  That was my understanding of the process, but I could be wrong.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the default Settings Center:

The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver.
This check box is selected by default.

Take Care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave...

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Sieghard,

 

Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

James,

 

Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52

Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
Warning - Uncheck "Accessibility Driver at your own risk

Dave...
 

Mike,
 
Okay, so I have Windows 7. Therefore I should not have unchecked the "Use accessibility driver" in the default setting.
 
Because I cannot even do a JAWS 2019 repair now. It crashes. I'm back to JAWS 2018 until I unscramble this mess.
 
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 06:00
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the default Settings Center:
The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver.
This check box is selected by default.
Take Care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave...
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

Sieghard,
 
Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?
 
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

James,

 

Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: James Homuth

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52

Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

Mike B. <mike9902@...>
 

Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the default Settings Center:
The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver.
This check box is selected by default.
Take Care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave...
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

Sieghard,
 
Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?
 
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

James,

 

Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: James Homuth

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52

Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
FW: jaws 2019 and office-2010 updates

William Windels
 

Hello,

 

I use win10 and the last version of jaws2019

on my workplace and the following updates are pushed by microsoft last week:

 

Security Update for Microsoft Excel 2010 32-Bit Edition (KB4462186)        Feb-12-2019

Security Update for Microsoft Office 2010 32-Bit Edition (KB4018313)      Feb-12-2019

Security Update for Microsoft Office 2010 32-Bit Edition (KB4462174)      Feb-12-2019

Security Update for Microsoft Office 2010 32-Bit Edition (KB4462177)      Feb-12-2019

 

Since this update, jaws and/or excel are hanging while working in excel.

e.g. if I select a row, jaws is speaking the whole row and during the announcement of jaws , I can’t move the cursor.: the computer is blocking for everyone.

This is what I can reproduce but perhaps there are also other tasks in excel that don’t work fine since the updates.

 

Is there any known impact because of this security-updates?

 

Many thx for any suggestion

 

 

 

 

Met vriendelijke groeten

William Windels

 

Incident Manager SWO

02/506 0 487 (niet bereikbaar op maandag en vrijdag)

 

Van: Jordi Smolders [mailto:jordi.smolders@...]
Verzonden: dinsdag 19 februari 2019 13:40
Aan: William Windels
Onderwerp: jaws excel problemen

 

Security Update for Microsoft Excel 2010 32-Bit Edition (KB4462186)

Feb-12-2019

Security Update for Microsoft Office 2010 32-Bit Edition (KB4018313)

Feb-12-2019

Security Update for Microsoft Office 2010 32-Bit Edition (KB4462174)

Feb-12-2019

Security Update for Microsoft Office 2010 32-Bit Edition (KB4462177)

Feb-12-2019

 

Grts

Jordi


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