Yeah, ctrl-f activates the browser's find function and not JAWS's, I noticed
that as well. That's actually ok I think as that's the way browsers are
meant to function. Is it that much of a pain for you to use insert-ctrl-f
instead? You already have to do this in for examplea dobe reader...

That said I'm sure you could remap the keystroke somehow. I don't think jAWS
has separate keyboard/script files for waterfox, and that's why the virtual
find doesn't work the same. You could probably create one if you watned to.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: February 14, 2019 11:22 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Using Waterfox

Hello everyone:

Using Windows 7 and JAWS Version 2018, I installed WaterFox on one of my
computers this morning.

So far, I have found one irritating thing, that is, When I press CTRL+F,
JAWS now says, "Search in page", followed by the word edit.

How can I apply the keystroke, INSERT+CTRL+F, which is the JAWS search
command to CTRL+F, instead.

So far, with the limited use I have had using this browser, I am liking its
speed and accessing the web pages I have visited.

Thank you in anticipation for any suggestions.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

On Feb 13, 2019, at 1:37 PM, JM Casey <jmcasey@teksavvy.com> wrote:

What sort of grief do you get?

When did firefox fall out of favour with developers?
Or certain developers at least...



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of thomas f
dinkel
Sent: February 13, 2019 10:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The best internet browser to use with JAWS.

Richard,
Different browsers work better for different sites sometimes.

I highly recommend Firefox as a person’s default and then Chrome if one needs to fall back to another option.

I get grief from my developer friends, but my feeling is that Firefox is made for the benefit of people, Chrome is made for the benefit of Google.

Just some thoughts.

Take care,
Thomas

On Feb 9, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Richard Turner <richardturner42@outlook.com> wrote:

I use Firefox latest version with Jaws 2018 and have no issues.
Some folks like Chrome.
The best browser is the one you can use and feel comfortable with.
Does the training organization have a preference?

Other than IE, of course.

Later,
Richard


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Liz and
Hope
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 11:44 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: The best internet browser to use with JAWS.

I am going to be receiving some in depth computer training in preparation for vocational training services. Since Internet Explorer is no longer secure, what is the best browser out there that is JAWS friendly? I have used fire fox in the past, but as of late I have heard mixed views about fire fox.
Liz Ulrich and leader Dog hope
https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=HTTP%3A%2F%2FWWW.
FACEBOOK.COM%2FELIZABETH.ULRICH.1&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cad4b7964ad484
4eccc0b08d68ec6e44b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6368
53382208725746&amp;sdata=v1MtQQDyyF025DL1dcmIcVLKDg5GCQHxV0AwuyMdJbg%
3D&amp;reserved=0

Hi –

I have a totally perplexing problem with my Acer Aspire netbook. The keyboard is malfunctioning. For example, the keys down the left side of the keyboard (Escape, tilde, Tab, Caps-lock) all say “Escape” when pressed. Keys d, f, c say “5.” Keys k, l, I say “dash.” Arrow up says “F10,” and other arrow keys say “Home.” I assume that I inadvertently clicked some option while exploring settings, but I have no idea what or where that option might be. The touch pad allows my sighted wife to navigate the computer, but her tech skills are very limited. Anybody have a suggestion for returning standard keyboard functionality? Do I need to start in safe mode to get where I need to go to make a change? I hope to avoid having to take the dated netbook to a repair shop, given the typical cost of a repair call and the market value of the netbook.

I will be delighted to take conversation about this problem off the list if you have info to share and don’t want to clutter more Jaws-specific list space.

Many thanks – Ed Culpepper

Hello Mike:

When I went to the Waterfox download site this morning, it did say, that Waterfox is for 64 and 32 BIT systems.

HTH

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Rogers" <harpman9@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: waterfox with jaws


Does Waterfox  work with 32 bit.  That's what my computer is. I've downloaded it but don't want to install unless this is the case.

Mike

********************************

www.harmonicaworkshops.com



On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 10:24:38 -0500
"JM Casey" <jmcasey@teksavvy.com> wrote:

I've only been using it for a few hours, but it seems virtually identical to Firefox to me.

You don't have to use anything you don't want to. I was a little skeptical about Waterfox myself, not being certain if it really was receiving proper updates for security and bugfixes as often as a major project like Firefox. It seems to be on the level, though, and so far it's working pretty damn well. It's not really just for you to call something a worthless piece of junk when you spent, what, all of five minutes with it?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: February 11, 2019 6:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: waterfox with jaws


I downloaded the portable version of Waterfox, but when I ranit, the interface contained a list of items which made no sense. There was nothing resembling a home page with a search edit field.  So I chucked it into the Recycle bin.  This worthless piece of junk isn't remotely similar to Firefox.  No wonder hardly anyone uses it.


Gerald



On 2/11/2019 3:00 AM, netbat66 wrote:

the problem is if i switch to another screen reader  (n v d a) when
waterfox is running  then go back to jaws  it looks like the virtual
pc cursor is not working. it will still say it is on or off but this
has mo effect until i reload waterfox. then jaws will start working
again.
also just like firefox the bookmark list will hang  wheni open the
bookmark list for about 20 seconds.
i have to turn off the virtual pc cursor before i open it. then it
will not hang.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B.
Sent: Sun    day, February 10, 2019 3:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: waterfox with jaws


Hi Net bat,

I'm running the installed version of Waterfox, Windows 7 Pro with Jaws
16. When you start Water fox press, Alt + T, then, O, to open options.
Now tab to either, Options or Options Document, and down arrow to List
Box.  Press enter on, List Box, now you can down arrow to the various
tabs in Tools / Options and you can tab through the settings for each
tab.

You can also open Waterfox and turn the virtual cursor off with,
Insert + Z, press, Alt + t, then, O, to open option.  Now, tab 1 time
to the list of Options / tabs, arrow up / down through the list of
Options tabs and tab through the options tabs to change settings.

Take Care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message ----- From: netbat66
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 2:02 PM
Subject: waterfox with jaws

do you need a add on to make it accessible?
i am trying the portible version and few of the jaws options work

as is.

with the virtual pc cursor onedit boxes, headings read to end etc.
don't work
with jaws as is.
and why are all the help options  going to the firefox web page?



Hi Liz!

The best browser to use with JAWS, for me, has been a browser called:

Waterfox.

It was developed in 2012, and it is a spin off of Firefox, but it
works tons better.

It can use all of the classic Firefox plugins, and it is so very fast.

JAWS never messes up in Waterfox. It is kept up to date, and it is
very secure.
A new update just came out.

Water fox has an interface that is almost like the old Firefox.

It has a spell check built in and everything.

It has a reading mode where you can get the clutter off the page, and
read the article.

The reading mode is built in.

You just press:

Alt+CTRL+R to put a web site into reading mode.

With JAWS, I would say that Waterfox is my favorite browser.

You can just do a Google search for Waterfox.

What I like as well, is the ability to download a portable version of
Waterfox.

I love running a portable version, that I keep on the computer,
because you do not have to install it on the computer. Also, if you
keep the portable version on the computer, you can create a short cut
on the desktop just like you can with installed programs.

I hope this helps.

Take care, Liz.

David Moore



Sent from Mail
for Windows 10





From: Liz and Hope
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 2:43 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: The best internet browser to use with JAWS.





I am going to be receiving some in depth computer training in
preparation for vocational training services. Since Internet Explorer
is no longer secure, what is the best browser out there that is JAWS
friendly? I have used fire fox in the past, but as of late I have
heard mixed views about fire fox.

Liz Ulrich and leader Dog hope

HTTP://WWW.FACEBOOK.COM/ELIZABETH.ULRICH.1

Hi,
I’d heard that He’s now at Microsoft but I wasn’t sure in what capacity. I wonder if he’s somehow responsible for the progress made with Narrator. With Doug at the helm, good things are surely in store. I wish him all the best.

On Feb 14, 2019, at 7:11 AM, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:

I have found that he is now a Senior Program Manager at Microsoft

On 2/14/2019 9:10 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

No.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H

Sent: 14 February 2019 14:52

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: What happened to Doug Geoffray,

After the demise of Window Eyes what happen to Doug Geoffray?  Is he still part of VFO

I've only been using it for a few hours, but it seems virtually identical to Firefox to me.

You don't have to use anything you don't want to. I was a little skeptical about Waterfox myself, not being certain if it really was receiving proper updates for security and bugfixes as often as a major project like Firefox. It seems to be on the level, though, and so far it's working pretty damn well. It's not really just for you to call something a worthless piece of junk when you spent, what, all of five minutes with it?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: February 11, 2019 6:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: waterfox with jaws


I downloaded the portable version of Waterfox, but when I ranit, the interface contained a list of items which made no sense. There was nothing resembling a home page with a search edit field. So I chucked it into the Recycle bin. This worthless piece of junk isn't remotely similar to Firefox. No wonder hardly anyone uses it.


Gerald



On 2/11/2019 3:00 AM, netbat66 wrote:

the problem is if i switch to another screen reader (n v d a) when
waterfox is running then go back to jaws it looks like the virtual
pc cursor is not working. it will still say it is on or off but this
has mo effect until i reload waterfox. then jaws will start working
again.
also just like firefox the bookmark list will hang wheni open the
bookmark list for about 20 seconds.
i have to turn off the virtual pc cursor before i open it. then it
will not hang.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B.
Sent: Sun day, February 10, 2019 3:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: waterfox with jaws


Hi Net bat,

I'm running the installed version of Waterfox, Windows 7 Pro with Jaws
16. When you start Water fox press, Alt + T, then, O, to open options.
Now tab to either, Options or Options Document, and down arrow to List
Box. Press enter on, List Box, now you can down arrow to the various
tabs in Tools / Options and you can tab through the settings for each
tab.

You can also open Waterfox and turn the virtual cursor off with,
Insert + Z, press, Alt + t, then, O, to open option. Now, tab 1 time
to the list of Options / tabs, arrow up / down through the list of
Options tabs and tab through the options tabs to change settings.

Take Care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message ----- From: netbat66
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 2:02 PM
Subject: waterfox with jaws

do you need a add on to make it accessible?
i am trying the portible version and few of the jaws options work as is.
with the virtual pc cursor onedit boxes, headings read to end etc.
don't work
with jaws as is.
and why are all the help options going to the firefox web page?



Hi Liz!

The best browser to use with JAWS, for me, has been a browser called:

Waterfox.

It was developed in 2012, and it is a spin off of Firefox, but it
works tons better.

It can use all of the classic Firefox plugins, and it is so very fast.

JAWS never messes up in Waterfox. It is kept up to date, and it is
very secure.
A new update just came out.

Water fox has an interface that is almost like the old Firefox.

It has a spell check built in and everything.

It has a reading mode where you can get the clutter off the page, and
read the article.

The reading mode is built in.

You just press:

Alt+CTRL+R to put a web site into reading mode.

With JAWS, I would say that Waterfox is my favorite browser.

You can just do a Google search for Waterfox.

What I like as well, is the ability to download a portable version of
Waterfox.

I love running a portable version, that I keep on the computer,
because you do not have to install it on the computer. Also, if you
keep the portable version on the computer, you can create a short cut
on the desktop just like you can with installed programs.

I hope this helps.

Take care, Liz.

David Moore



Sent from Mail
for Windows 10





From: Liz and Hope
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 2:43 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: The best internet browser to use with JAWS.





I am going to be receiving some in depth computer training in
preparation for vocational training services. Since Internet Explorer
is no longer secure, what is the best browser out there that is JAWS
friendly? I have used fire fox in the past, but as of late I have
heard mixed views about fire fox.

Liz Ulrich and leader Dog hope

HTTP://WWW.FACEBOOK.COM/ELIZABETH.ULRICH.1

Hi –

I have a totally perplexing problem with my Acer Aspire netbook. The keyboard is malfunctioning. For example, the keys down the left side of the keyboard (Escape, tilde, Tab, Caps-lock) all say “Escape” when pressed. Keys d, f, c say “5.” Keys k, l, I say “dash.” Arrow up says “F10,” and other arrow keys say “Home.” I assume that I inadvertently clicked some option while exploring settings, but I have no idea what or where that option might be. The touch pad allows my sighted wife to navigate the computer, but her tech skills are very limited. Anybody have a suggestion for returning standard keyboard functionality? Do I need to start in safe mode to get where I need to go to make a change? I hope to avoid having to take the dated netbook to a repair shop, given the typical cost of a repair call and the market value of the netbook.

I will be delighted to take conversation about this problem off the list if you have info to share and don’t want to clutter more Jaws-specific list space.

Many thanks – Ed Culpepper

----- Original Message -----

From: Mike B.

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 1:46 PM

Subject: Re: I am having a problem exiting Dropbox

Hi Dave,

 

To close Dropbox, press enter on the Dropbox icon in the system tray.  If you hear, Edit, press enter again, arrow up 1 time to, Exit, and press enter.  This will close Dropbox.

Take Care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 1:06 AM

Subject: Re: I am having a problem exiting Dropbox

Hi,

You don't do it that way, first you need to change the location in Dropbox
settings.  Then Dropbox will move the stuff for you.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: 11 February 2019 12:30
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: I am having a problem exiting Dropbox

Hello everyone:

I would like to move the dropbox folder from drive C to Drive f on my
system.

However, when I open the Task Tray and highlight the Dropbox icon and press
ENTER, to open the Dropbox item, then press the SPACEBAR, to open the "GEAR"

menue item, I cannot find the "Exit" button to close Dropbox, so I can then
move the Dropbox folder to the new location.

I am running Windows 7 Professional and I am using JFW 2018.

Any suggestions will be very helpful.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

On Feb 14, 2019, at 7:11 AM, Don H <lmddh50@adams.net> wrote:

I have found that he is now a Senior Program Manager at Microsoft

On 2/14/2019 9:10 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
No.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: 14 February 2019 14:52
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: What happened to Doug Geoffray,
After the demise of Window Eyes what happen to Doug Geoffray? Is he still part of VFO

No.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: 14 February 2019 14:52
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: What happened to Doug Geoffray,
After the demise of Window Eyes what happen to Doug Geoffray? Is he still part of VFO