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Re: QuickBooks accessibility

gary melconian <globcastcapital@...>
 

Hello mr whistler, I know that your product is in the uk, but most
mainstream accounting packages are what the blind user needs to be equally
competitive against its sighted counterparts, I can say this as I am a
professional accountant and work against my sighted colligues in a field of
challenging obsticles and I can get the job done with mainstream products
but the problem with intuit products is the developers break the
accessibility hooks and it is more harder to recommend there products. I use
other products in the accounting world and field, that are mainstream and
that are accessible for my needs as I have to be competitive in these
challenging times against tsighted counterparts. I do bookkeeping, tax, and
other accounting and manangerial projects as I will be a certified public
accountant in a few months. I look forward to your posts on the matter.
Sicnerly yours;
Gary Melconian,MBA

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Raewyn Whisker
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 2:04 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: QuickBooks accessibility

Hello Curtis, Marilyn, Chris and everyone interested,



I have to say it is good news to hear that someone is making QuickBooks more
accessible, but please remember, that when a script is written it is quite
often relevant for that version only. This is not to say that is the case
here, but it is quite often.




As a lot of you will know I am the representative of Accomplish CashManager,
and I just wanted to remind everyone that CashManager is a product that is
accessible out of the box - no scripts required to make it work at all.



We have been working with the National Federation of the Blind, the Blind
Merchants Association, and all the other major organisations within America
to ensure our product does the job required of it.



If anyone wants to have a play with the product you can download a trial
without any obligation. Go to either our website www.accomplishglobal.com
or our distributors website http://www.handytech.us/new.html#cashmanager



If you want to hear what some of our current customers think about the
product, please have a read of these testimonials.
http://us.accomplishglobal.com/about/what-people-are-saying-about-cashma
nager.html





Regards Raewyn Whisker

Account Manager

Accomplish Limited



Phone +64 9 571 4560 X 715

Email raewyn.whisker@accomplishglobal.com
<mailto:raewyn.whisker@accomplishglobal.com>

Website www.accomplishglobal.com
<http://www.accomplishglobal.com>

Skype cashmanager.sales






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Re: buying a laptop: was new on the list

gary melconian <globcastcapital@...>
 

hello the dell laptops don’t have the touch buttons that you are talking
about. They are much better design using buttons for the settings for wifi,
mute of volume and other settings of the laptop that are found on function
keys on most laptops for controlling the laptop features, on the top
rightcorner of the laptop and they are usable with screenreaders. The model
that I have is the inspiron 5110 with core i5 2.4 with turbo boost to 3.0
with 8 gb of ddr 3 memmory and a massive hard drive which I did not need and
optioned for a SSD 256 gb hard drive which has faster boot up then a regular
hard drive, And I have a massive external hard drive for back up of 2 tb. So
that is how I solved the problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 1:51 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: buying a laptop: was new on the list

I happen to be a big fan of Toshiba laptops, but in fact all laptops are
made by a few manufacturers and then branded, so it may not matter.

Full'size laptops including keypads are quite common nowadays. Simply check
the description if ordering online or specify if dealing with a store.

If buying hands'on, it´s good to see what kinds of extra keys the laptop
has. Some have capacititave buttons, activated by touch, that turn wiFi on
and off, mute, change volume, etc. If yours has them, you can put dots on
them and use them once you learn their order. It is wise to do this because
otherwise you might inadvertently touch the WiFi button deactivating Wifi,
and not be good at touching the right button again to reactivate it.

To keep this on topic, I'm not aware of any problem you'll face when buying
a laptop to use with JAWS 13. I don't think you can go wrong.

Dean
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On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 12:55 PM
To: JFW list
Subject: new on the list

Hello all,

I joined this list a few days ago, and am pleased to recognize a few names
from other lists and previous JFW lists.

I will be upgrading my Jaws sometime this year from version 8 to 13. I feel
it will be almost like relearning everything, as so much has been added
since version 8.

As part of my upgrade, I will also be buying a new computer, and would like
anyone's recommendations for the following 2 items.

1. I want to get a laptop preferrably with a keypad if such a thing exists.
Otherwise, well differentiated keys, good battery life, and durable. A
full-sized laptop is fine.

2. I am also looking for a small netbook that will have more limited use. I
want the netbook to be small and durable with a reasonably tactile keyboard.
This device does not need to be as new, as I am willing to shop secondhand
for it.

As I know nothing about laptops and small computers, whether they be
netbooks, notebooks or ultra mini PCs, any experiences are welcome. Are
there things I should be aware of concerning JAWS when looking for laptops
or smaller PCs? E.g., video cards, onboard software that might be a problem,
etc.?

Thanks.

Jean

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Re: [Bulk] what to o when win 7 won't talk on startup

Dave...
 

Robert,

Okay, first after initial power-on let it quiet down so there's no disc
activity.
Then press Escape.
If the system starts chattering along with a lot of disc activity you may
have managed to get past the startup screen.
When it quiets down again try Ctrl+Alt+J.
Hopefully JAWS starts then.

Another thing you might try if the above does not work...

Again wait for the computer to settle down after the power-on.
Then press Windows +U
Then press Alt+N
Hopefully Narrator will start talking so you can muddle through the rest.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Logue" <bobcat11@telusplanet.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 15:36
Subject: [Bulk] what to o when win 7 won't talk on startup


My computer was working well enough. But I just installed a windows
security update and now it won't talk when booting. No windows sound
either.

To further complicate things. I recently added a new user account and
removed my original account. I'm giving the system away and wanted to clean
it up. It was working ok with the new account till I rebooted after the
windows update. Hope I get some eyes on this. Have to connect a monitor and
mouse just to get someone to look at it.

Just wondering if there are any magic keystrokes at the start-up screen to
get Windows talking.

Bob


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Re: [Bulk] Read and Read

Dave...
 

Kerri,

Was that "Helloquence" intentional? There is no Heaven in Eloquence, but
neither is there a Hell.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerri" <kootenaycreek@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 15:51
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Read and Read


I personally find the Helloquence does it really well but I use my Braille
display mostly so don't have this issue.

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-01-19, at 3:44 PM, "deadcatbounce" <JAWS@ca.rr.com> wrote:

JAWS pronounces things a lot better than a lot of people I know do, so the
occasional flub doesn't really bother me too much.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: Read and Read


like many words in english, pronunciation changes depending on context,
present past or future tense etc. It's up to your synthesizer to
determine how to pronounce these things. Some do it better than others.
If you don't like how Eloquence handles these things, try another one.

--------------------------------------------------
CTS MASTERING: PROFESSIONAL MIXING AND MASTERING! Clear True Sound:
www.ctsmastering.com --

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Re: Read and Read

Kerri <kootenaycreek@...>
 

I personally find the Helloquence does it really well but I use my Braille display mostly so don't have this issue.

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-01-19, at 3:44 PM, "deadcatbounce" <JAWS@ca.rr.com> wrote:

JAWS pronounces things a lot better than a lot of people I know do, so the occasional flub doesn't really bother me too much.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: Read and Read


like many words in english, pronunciation changes depending on context, present past or future tense etc. It's up to your synthesizer to determine how to pronounce these things. Some do it better than others. If you don't like how Eloquence handles these things, try another one.

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Re: QuickBooksand quicken accessibility for JAWS

Marilyn Womble
 

Thank you for all your efforts to make Quicken accessible to us who cannot read print. It is a program that I need to use.
Marilyn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Coe" <charlesmar@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 2:42 PM
Subject: RE: QuickBooksand quicken accessibility for JAWS


Hi John,

This is a very worthwhile project indeed that I am certain will be a big
leap forward for many blind individuals looking to start their own business.
Also to those who already have a job or business.

You are to be commended for your efforts and should be compensated for such
an achievement.

Continued Good Luck. -----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of John Martyn
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 10:53 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: QuickBooksand quicken accessibility for JAWS

I might as well announce it but Quickbooks and Quicken scripts are on the
way, however I am not releasing them as of yet.
They are still in testing and development.
The quickbooks scripts are towards the end of development and testing but
quicken is more of a challenge. Quicken uses a lot of graphics and it takes
time to find them all to label them my special way. Quickbooks works
wonderfully with 2011 and development for Quicken 2012 is going good so far.
Quickbooks 2012 is coming soon.
The NFB National Federation of the Blind is participating in this particular
project. I flew out to Baltimore and they were very interested in this new
development. I might be coming under fire for even releasing this
information, but I'm not scared. I have complete faith that what I'm doing
for the blind community is justified and backed up legally.
Besides, wouldn't you all like the option to use such mainstream software
that could even give you more freedom?

John Martyn
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of curtis jackson
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:54 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: QuickBooks accessibility

Does anyone know if QuickBooks is accessible with jaws yet or if scripts
have been written for it

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Re: Read and Read

deadcatbounce <JAWS@...>
 

JAWS pronounces things a lot better than a lot of people I know do, so the occasional flub doesn't really bother me too much.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: Read and Read


like many words in english, pronunciation changes depending on context, present past or future tense etc. It's up to your synthesizer to determine how to pronounce these things. Some do it better than others. If you don't like how Eloquence handles these things, try another one.

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CTS MASTERING: PROFESSIONAL MIXING AND MASTERING! Clear True Sound: www.ctsmastering.com --

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what to o when win 7 won't talk on startup

Robert Logue <bobcat11@...>
 

My computer was working well enough. But I just installed a windows security update and now it won't talk when booting. No windows sound either.

To further complicate things. I recently added a new user account and removed my original account. I'm giving the system away and wanted to clean it up. It was working ok with the new account till I rebooted after the windows update. Hope I get some eyes on this. Have to connect a monitor and mouse just to get someone to look at it.

Just wondering if there are any magic keystrokes at the start-up screen to get Windows talking.

Bob


Re: [Bulk] buying a laptop: was new on the list

Jean Menzies <jemenzies@...>
 

Hi Dave,

Yes, I know the cost is more. But FS gave me the price for either upgrade
from where I'm at. So, my question. Does it make sense from the operating
system point of view? For personal use, is it better to just stay with the
standard editions of both Jaws and operating system? Or to rephrase, what do
the professional versions of the operating systems provide. Is it just more
for networking and things like that?

Jean

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar in the Workshop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: buying a laptop: was new on the list


Jean,

If you have the home edition then you need to stick with the Home or (not
Professional) version of Windows. Upgrades to the pro version in both JAWS
and Windows costs more.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies@shaw.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 14:28
Subject: [Bulk] Re: buying a laptop: was new on the list


Dean, Nickus and Dave,

Thanks for all your advice. I admit the numbers and specs don't mean a lot
to me at this point, but I appreciate having this as a starting point. One
more question. Is it possible to specify the version of Windows, e.g.,
professional or home version, depending on which version of Jaws I go with?
Right now I have the Jaws standard version, and it is cheaper for me to
upgrade and stay with the standard flavour of Jaws. Or is there definite
benefit to going the professional version route? FYI, the costs are mine,
not any funding program.

Jean


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean Martineau" <dean@topdotenterprises.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 2:51 PM
Subject: buying a laptop: was new on the list


I happen to be a big fan of Toshiba laptops, but in fact all laptops are
made by a few manufacturers and then branded, so it may not matter.

Full'size laptops including keypads are quite common nowadays. Simply check
the description if ordering online or specify if dealing with a store.

If buying hands'on, it´s good to see what kinds of extra keys the laptop
has. Some have capacititave buttons, activated by touch, that turn wiFi on
and off, mute, change volume, etc. If yours has them, you can put dots on
them and use them once you learn their order. It is wise to do this because
otherwise you might inadvertently touch the WiFi button deactivating Wifi,
and not be good at touching the right button again to reactivate it.

To keep this on topic, I'm not aware of any problem you'll face when buying
a laptop to use with JAWS 13. I don't think you can go wrong.

Dean
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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 12:55 PM
To: JFW list
Subject: new on the list

Hello all,

I joined this list a few days ago, and am pleased to recognize a few names
from other lists and previous JFW lists.

I will be upgrading my Jaws sometime this year from version 8 to 13. I feel
it will be almost like relearning everything, as so much has been added
since version 8.

As part of my upgrade, I will also be buying a new computer, and would like
anyone's recommendations for the following 2 items.

1. I want to get a laptop preferrably with a keypad if such a thing exists.
Otherwise, well differentiated keys, good battery life, and durable. A
full-sized laptop is fine.

2. I am also looking for a small netbook that will have more limited use. I
want the netbook to be small and durable with a reasonably tactile keyboard.
This device does not need to be as new, as I am willing to shop secondhand
for it.

As I know nothing about laptops and small computers, whether they be
netbooks, notebooks or ultra mini PCs, any experiences are welcome. Are
there things I should be aware of concerning JAWS when looking for laptops
or smaller PCs? E.g., video cards, onboard software that might be a problem,
etc.?

Thanks.

Jean

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Re: [Bulk] buying a laptop: was new on the list

Dave...
 

Jean,

If you have the home edition then you need to stick with the Home or (not
Professional) version of Windows. Upgrades to the pro version in both JAWS
and Windows costs more.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies@shaw.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 14:28
Subject: [Bulk] Re: buying a laptop: was new on the list


Dean, Nickus and Dave,

Thanks for all your advice. I admit the numbers and specs don't mean a lot
to me at this point, but I appreciate having this as a starting point. One
more question. Is it possible to specify the version of Windows, e.g.,
professional or home version, depending on which version of Jaws I go with?
Right now I have the Jaws standard version, and it is cheaper for me to
upgrade and stay with the standard flavour of Jaws. Or is there definite
benefit to going the professional version route? FYI, the costs are mine,
not any funding program.

Jean


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean Martineau" <dean@topdotenterprises.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 2:51 PM
Subject: buying a laptop: was new on the list


I happen to be a big fan of Toshiba laptops, but in fact all laptops are
made by a few manufacturers and then branded, so it may not matter.

Full'size laptops including keypads are quite common nowadays. Simply check
the description if ordering online or specify if dealing with a store.

If buying hands'on, it´s good to see what kinds of extra keys the laptop
has. Some have capacititave buttons, activated by touch, that turn wiFi on
and off, mute, change volume, etc. If yours has them, you can put dots on
them and use them once you learn their order. It is wise to do this because
otherwise you might inadvertently touch the WiFi button deactivating Wifi,
and not be good at touching the right button again to reactivate it.

To keep this on topic, I'm not aware of any problem you'll face when buying
a laptop to use with JAWS 13. I don't think you can go wrong.

Dean
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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 12:55 PM
To: JFW list
Subject: new on the list

Hello all,

I joined this list a few days ago, and am pleased to recognize a few names
from other lists and previous JFW lists.

I will be upgrading my Jaws sometime this year from version 8 to 13. I feel
it will be almost like relearning everything, as so much has been added
since version 8.

As part of my upgrade, I will also be buying a new computer, and would like
anyone's recommendations for the following 2 items.

1. I want to get a laptop preferrably with a keypad if such a thing exists.
Otherwise, well differentiated keys, good battery life, and durable. A
full-sized laptop is fine.

2. I am also looking for a small netbook that will have more limited use. I
want the netbook to be small and durable with a reasonably tactile keyboard.
This device does not need to be as new, as I am willing to shop secondhand
for it.

As I know nothing about laptops and small computers, whether they be
netbooks, notebooks or ultra mini PCs, any experiences are welcome. Are
there things I should be aware of concerning JAWS when looking for laptops
or smaller PCs? E.g., video cards, onboard software that might be a problem,
etc.?

Thanks.

Jean

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Re: buying a laptop: was new on the list

Jean Menzies <jemenzies@...>
 

Dean, Nickus and Dave,

Thanks for all your advice. I admit the numbers and specs don't mean a lot
to me at this point, but I appreciate having this as a starting point. One
more question. Is it possible to specify the version of Windows, e.g.,
professional or home version, depending on which version of Jaws I go with?
Right now I have the Jaws standard version, and it is cheaper for me to
upgrade and stay with the standard flavour of Jaws. Or is there definite
benefit to going the professional version route? FYI, the costs are mine,
not any funding program.

Jean

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 2:51 PM
Subject: buying a laptop: was new on the list


I happen to be a big fan of Toshiba laptops, but in fact all laptops are
made by a few manufacturers and then branded, so it may not matter.

Full'size laptops including keypads are quite common nowadays. Simply check
the description if ordering online or specify if dealing with a store.

If buying hands'on, it´s good to see what kinds of extra keys the laptop
has. Some have capacititave buttons, activated by touch, that turn wiFi on
and off, mute, change volume, etc. If yours has them, you can put dots on
them and use them once you learn their order. It is wise to do this because
otherwise you might inadvertently touch the WiFi button deactivating Wifi,
and not be good at touching the right button again to reactivate it.

To keep this on topic, I'm not aware of any problem you'll face when buying
a laptop to use with JAWS 13. I don't think you can go wrong.

Dean
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Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 12:55 PM
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Subject: new on the list

Hello all,

I joined this list a few days ago, and am pleased to recognize a few names
from other lists and previous JFW lists.

I will be upgrading my Jaws sometime this year from version 8 to 13. I feel
it will be almost like relearning everything, as so much has been added
since version 8.

As part of my upgrade, I will also be buying a new computer, and would like
anyone's recommendations for the following 2 items.

1. I want to get a laptop preferrably with a keypad if such a thing exists.
Otherwise, well differentiated keys, good battery life, and durable. A
full-sized laptop is fine.

2. I am also looking for a small netbook that will have more limited use. I
want the netbook to be small and durable with a reasonably tactile keyboard.
This device does not need to be as new, as I am willing to shop secondhand
for it.

As I know nothing about laptops and small computers, whether they be
netbooks, notebooks or ultra mini PCs, any experiences are welcome. Are
there things I should be aware of concerning JAWS when looking for laptops
or smaller PCs? E.g., video cards, onboard software that might be a problem,
etc.?

Thanks.

Jean

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QuickBooks accessibility

Raewyn Whisker <Raewyn.Whisker@...>
 

Hello Curtis, Marilyn, Chris and everyone interested,



I have to say it is good news to hear that someone is making QuickBooks
more accessible, but please remember, that when a script is written it
is quite often relevant for that version only. This is not to say that
is the case here, but it is quite often.



As a lot of you will know I am the representative of Accomplish
CashManager, and I just wanted to remind everyone that CashManager is a
product that is accessible out of the box - no scripts required to make
it work at all.



We have been working with the National Federation of the Blind, the
Blind Merchants Association, and all the other major organisations
within America to ensure our product does the job required of it.



If anyone wants to have a play with the product you can download a trial
without any obligation. Go to either our website
www.accomplishglobal.com or our distributors website
http://www.handytech.us/new.html#cashmanager



If you want to hear what some of our current customers think about the
product, please have a read of these testimonials.
http://us.accomplishglobal.com/about/what-people-are-saying-about-cashma
nager.html





Regards Raewyn Whisker

Account Manager

Accomplish Limited



Phone +64 9 571 4560 X 715

Email raewyn.whisker@accomplishglobal.com
<mailto:raewyn.whisker@accomplishglobal.com>

Website www.accomplishglobal.com
<http://www.accomplishglobal.com>

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Re: QuickBooksand quicken accessibility for JAWS

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

that is admirable John, and after seeing your excellent work with iTunes, I know they will be a success. Financial independence is important for anyone, blind or sighted! :)
Just let us know if you need a few bucks to help out.


At 08:22 AM 1/19/2012, you wrote:
We'll see how it pans out. My goal is to make this as close to free that I
can.
John
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Re: Read and Read

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

like many words in english, pronunciation changes depending on context, present past or future tense etc. It's up to your synthesizer to determine how to pronounce these things. Some do it better than others. If you don't like how Eloquence handles these things, try another one.

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buying a laptop: was new on the list

Dean Martineau <dean@...>
 

I happen to be a big fan of Toshiba laptops, but in fact all laptops are
made by a few manufacturers and then branded, so it may not matter.

Full'size laptops including keypads are quite common nowadays. Simply check
the description if ordering online or specify if dealing with a store.

If buying hands'on, it´s good to see what kinds of extra keys the laptop
has. Some have capacititave buttons, activated by touch, that turn wiFi on
and off, mute, change volume, etc. If yours has them, you can put dots on
them and use them once you learn their order. It is wise to do this because
otherwise you might inadvertently touch the WiFi button deactivating Wifi,
and not be good at touching the right button again to reactivate it.

To keep this on topic, I'm not aware of any problem you'll face when buying
a laptop to use with JAWS 13. I don't think you can go wrong.

Dean
To find out about the week's news in adaptive technology, subscribe to Top
Tech Tidbits for Thursday by sending a blank message to
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-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 12:55 PM
To: JFW list
Subject: new on the list

Hello all,

I joined this list a few days ago, and am pleased to recognize a few names
from other lists and previous JFW lists.

I will be upgrading my Jaws sometime this year from version 8 to 13. I feel
it will be almost like relearning everything, as so much has been added
since version 8.

As part of my upgrade, I will also be buying a new computer, and would like
anyone's recommendations for the following 2 items.

1. I want to get a laptop preferrably with a keypad if such a thing exists.
Otherwise, well differentiated keys, good battery life, and durable. A
full-sized laptop is fine.

2. I am also looking for a small netbook that will have more limited use. I
want the netbook to be small and durable with a reasonably tactile keyboard.
This device does not need to be as new, as I am willing to shop secondhand
for it.

As I know nothing about laptops and small computers, whether they be
netbooks, notebooks or ultra mini PCs, any experiences are welcome. Are
there things I should be aware of concerning JAWS when looking for laptops
or smaller PCs? E.g., video cards, onboard software that might be a problem,
etc.?

Thanks.

Jean

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Re: Laptop Recommendation

Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@...>
 

Hi guys
I see a few problems with the mentioned Dell laptop and have a few
recommendations which would give you a better machine.
Firstly it comes with 32 bit windows which can only use 3 GB of the 4
GB installed RAM so I would recommend 64 bit windows. Then another
thing, as a jaws user you don't need a graphics card like that, you
can rather get one with a smaller graphics card and a bigger hard
drive maybe 750 GB or even a TB in this laptop class. The final thing
which is a small technical point and depends what you'll use the
machine for, the processor is 2.2 GHz core i7 with 6 MB cash, if
possible rather look for something with 8 MB cash even if it's only a
2 GHz core i7.
I'm pritty clued up on computers so just ask if you need any further help.

Nickus

On 1/19/12, Farfar in the Workshop <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Jean,

Laptop: Dell E6520 has a numeric keypad and well-sculptured keys.
It's a bit large because of the keypad. Also works with a docking station
(port replicator) for quick disconnect, and you can purchase an additional
battery "slice" for longer portable operating time. I really like this one,
and the Dell Latitude is a workhorse for the business world.

Here are some of the specs:

Dell Latitude E6520
Processor: Intel Core i7-2720QM, 2.20GHz, 6MB Cache
Memory: 4.0GB, DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM, 2 DIMM
Keyboard: Internal English Keyboard
Video Card: nVidia NVS 4200M 512MB DDR3 Discrete Graphics
Hard Drive: 320GB Hard Drive, 7200RPM
LCD HD+/FHD Cover, 15.6in FHD+(1920x1080) Anti-Glare LED-backlit
Operating System: Genuine Windows 7 Professional, 32-bit
Modem: Internal MDC Modem for
CD-ROM or DVD-ROM Drive: 8X DVD+/-RW
Sound Card: Integrated webcam with single digital microphone
Processor Cable: Intel WiFi Link 6205 (802.11a/g/n 2X2) 1/2 MiniCard for
VPRO Latitude E/Mobile Precision (430-3961)
3 Year Warranty 9-Cell (87WH) Primary Lithium Ion Battery for Latitude EXX20

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies@shaw.ca>
To: "JFW list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 12:54
Subject: [Bulk] new on the list


Hello all,

I joined this list a few days ago, and am pleased to recognize a few names
from other lists and previous JFW lists.

I will be upgrading my Jaws sometime this year from version 8 to 13. I feel
it will be almost like relearning everything, as so much has been added
since version 8.

As part of my upgrade, I will also be buying a new computer, and would like
anyone's recommendations for the following 2 items.

1. I want to get a laptop preferrably with a keypad if such a thing exists.
Otherwise, well differentiated keys, good battery life, and durable. A
full-sized laptop is fine.

2. I am also looking for a small netbook that will have more limited use. I
want the netbook to be small and durable with a reasonably tactile keyboard.
This device does not need to be as new, as I am willing to shop secondhand
for it.

As I know nothing about laptops and small computers, whether they be
netbooks, notebooks or ultra mini PCs, any experiences are welcome. Are
there things I should be aware of concerning JAWS when looking for laptops
or smaller PCs? E.g., video cards, onboard software that might be a problem,
etc.?

Thanks.

Jean

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Laptop Recommendation

Dave...
 

Jean,

Laptop: Dell E6520 has a numeric keypad and well-sculptured keys.
It's a bit large because of the keypad. Also works with a docking station
(port replicator) for quick disconnect, and you can purchase an additional
battery "slice" for longer portable operating time. I really like this one,
and the Dell Latitude is a workhorse for the business world.

Here are some of the specs:

Dell Latitude E6520
Processor: Intel Core i7-2720QM, 2.20GHz, 6MB Cache
Memory: 4.0GB, DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM, 2 DIMM
Keyboard: Internal English Keyboard
Video Card: nVidia NVS 4200M 512MB DDR3 Discrete Graphics
Hard Drive: 320GB Hard Drive, 7200RPM
LCD HD+/FHD Cover, 15.6in FHD+(1920x1080) Anti-Glare LED-backlit
Operating System: Genuine Windows 7 Professional, 32-bit
Modem: Internal MDC Modem for
CD-ROM or DVD-ROM Drive: 8X DVD+/-RW
Sound Card: Integrated webcam with single digital microphone
Processor Cable: Intel WiFi Link 6205 (802.11a/g/n 2X2) 1/2 MiniCard for
VPRO Latitude E/Mobile Precision (430-3961)
3 Year Warranty 9-Cell (87WH) Primary Lithium Ion Battery for Latitude EXX20

Dave Carlson
Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies@shaw.ca>
To: "JFW list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 12:54
Subject: [Bulk] new on the list


Hello all,

I joined this list a few days ago, and am pleased to recognize a few names
from other lists and previous JFW lists.

I will be upgrading my Jaws sometime this year from version 8 to 13. I feel
it will be almost like relearning everything, as so much has been added
since version 8.

As part of my upgrade, I will also be buying a new computer, and would like
anyone's recommendations for the following 2 items.

1. I want to get a laptop preferrably with a keypad if such a thing exists.
Otherwise, well differentiated keys, good battery life, and durable. A
full-sized laptop is fine.

2. I am also looking for a small netbook that will have more limited use. I
want the netbook to be small and durable with a reasonably tactile keyboard.
This device does not need to be as new, as I am willing to shop secondhand
for it.

As I know nothing about laptops and small computers, whether they be
netbooks, notebooks or ultra mini PCs, any experiences are welcome. Are
there things I should be aware of concerning JAWS when looking for laptops
or smaller PCs? E.g., video cards, onboard software that might be a problem,
etc.?

Thanks.

Jean

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new on the list

Jean Menzies <jemenzies@...>
 

Hello all,

I joined this list a few days ago, and am pleased to recognize a few names from other lists and previous JFW lists.

I will be upgrading my Jaws sometime this year from version 8 to 13. I feel it will be almost like relearning everything, as so much has been added since version 8.

As part of my upgrade, I will also be buying a new computer, and would like anyone's recommendations for the following 2 items.

1. I want to get a laptop preferrably with a keypad if such a thing exists. Otherwise, well differentiated keys, good battery life, and durable. A full-sized laptop is fine.

2. I am also looking for a small netbook that will have more limited use. I want the netbook to be small and durable with a reasonably tactile keyboard. This device does not need to be as new, as I am willing to shop secondhand for it.

As I know nothing about laptops and small computers, whether they be netbooks, notebooks or ultra mini PCs, any experiences are welcome. Are there things I should be aware of concerning JAWS when looking for laptops or smaller PCs? E.g., video cards, onboard software that might be a problem, etc.?

Thanks.

Jean

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Re: QuickBooksand quicken accessibility for JAWS

Charles Coe
 

Hi John,

This is a very worthwhile project indeed that I am certain will be a big
leap forward for many blind individuals looking to start their own business.
Also to those who already have a job or business.

You are to be commended for your efforts and should be compensated for such
an achievement.

Continued Good Luck. -----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of John Martyn
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 10:53 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: QuickBooksand quicken accessibility for JAWS

I might as well announce it but Quickbooks and Quicken scripts are on the
way, however I am not releasing them as of yet.
They are still in testing and development.
The quickbooks scripts are towards the end of development and testing but
quicken is more of a challenge. Quicken uses a lot of graphics and it takes
time to find them all to label them my special way. Quickbooks works
wonderfully with 2011 and development for Quicken 2012 is going good so far.
Quickbooks 2012 is coming soon.
The NFB National Federation of the Blind is participating in this particular
project. I flew out to Baltimore and they were very interested in this new
development. I might be coming under fire for even releasing this
information, but I'm not scared. I have complete faith that what I'm doing
for the blind community is justified and backed up legally.
Besides, wouldn't you all like the option to use such mainstream software
that could even give you more freedom?

John Martyn
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of curtis jackson
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:54 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: QuickBooks accessibility

Does anyone know if QuickBooks is accessible with jaws yet or if scripts
have been written for it

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Re: QuickBooksand quicken accessibility for JAWS

George B
 

awesome john, i was a tester for your blindtunes and use quicken all the
time who is testing for you?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of John Martyn
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 22:53
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: QuickBooksand quicken accessibility for JAWS

I might as well announce it but Quickbooks and Quicken scripts are on
the
way, however I am not releasing them as of yet.
They are still in testing and development.
The quickbooks scripts are towards the end of development and testing
but
quicken is more of a challenge. Quicken uses a lot of graphics and it
takes
time to find them all to label them my special way. Quickbooks works
wonderfully with 2011 and development for Quicken 2012 is going good so
far.
Quickbooks 2012 is coming soon.
The NFB National Federation of the Blind is participating in this
particular
project. I flew out to Baltimore and they were very interested in this
new
development. I might be coming under fire for even releasing this
information, but I'm not scared. I have complete faith that what I'm
doing
for the blind community is justified and backed up legally.
Besides, wouldn't you all like the option to use such mainstream
software
that could even give you more freedom?

John Martyn
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com]
On Behalf Of curtis jackson
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:54 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: QuickBooks accessibility

Does anyone know if QuickBooks is accessible with jaws yet or if
scripts
have been written for it

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