Date   
Re: Owner of this list

Shirley Tracy
 

Thank you. I respect other people’s beliefs, just as I expect them to respect mine. I don’t post about my faith, but I am fine with those who do. And I think the topic has been worn out. Can listers move on now?

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: James Homuth
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Owner of this list

 

You have found the owner of this list. The short answer: no. The long answer: I have no use for religion either, however there are people here who do. I won’t tell them what to put in their signature any more than I’ll tell you to say happy holidays over any of the more traditional greetings. We can revisit that topic if ever worshipping the devil becomes a violation of list policy.

 

James,

List Admin

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: December-22-18 3:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Owner of this list

 

Yeah… Good luck with that.


On Dec 22, 2018, at 11:51 AM, David & his pack of dogs <myguidedogis@...> wrote:

Sorry, I can’t find the owner of this list so do not know how to send this privately.  I have an aversion to people who put religious tags at the end of their message such as Christ be with you etcetera.  A lot of atrocities have be done in the name of Christianity. One person  in particular could not hold down a job or a relationship so joined a convent. She admitted to getting off on the looks she got from the general public when in her habit with me and my guide dog.  She gets off on being in the lime light to the point of neglecting her own mother unless it suits her purpose. Any negative publicity on the news is just propaganda according to her. This is not indicative of all nuns as another one lived up to how a nun should be,  thus, I would humbly request that religious references be deleted from tag lines. After all, some worship the devil, would others like it if they put in their tag line, “The devil is the only leader for this world.”         

 

Re: For Users of JAWS Fwd: [Leasey] Our Christmas Gift to Leasey Users. Version 4.02 Build 5 is Available!

David Goldfield
 

Hi, Bob.

Leasey does work with the JAWS home annual license. However, as far as I know it can't be purchased from the Freedom Scientific Web site. You can visit Leasey Central from its developer, Brian Hartgen. From there, you may download a limited time trial, order it directly from him (which was what I chose to do) or from a distributor. His page lists various distributors.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 12/20/2018 5:44 PM, bob jutzi wrote:
I just purchased a one-year Jaws Annual.  Is this Leasey an add-on you need to purchase?

Bob

On 12/20/2018 5:17 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Brian Hartgen released a new update to Leasey, which is a third-party addon which provides additional functionality to the JAWS screen reader. One feature which was added was something which I requested regarding spell checking within Word. This newest update gives you specific hotkeys to move the cursor to the next or previous misspelled word and to the next or previous grammatical error. JAWS can currently do this but the virtual cursor needs to be enabled first. Once the cursor is at the word you wish to edit you must then turn the virtual cursor off before you can begin editing. Window-Eyes contained the ability to move the cursor to the next or previous error without first needing to toggle browse mode on and off and I never understood why JAWS never offered such a feature. I requested the feature addition to Brian and it is now added!

Another new feature is the option of having ascending tones to indicate progress bar announcements. This is similar to what NVDA offers and to what Window-Eyes offered but the feature has been somewhat enhanced with some additional functionality. This was another feature I requested/see the below message for more details.




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: [Leasey] Our Christmas Gift to Leasey Users. Version 4.02 Build 5 is Available!
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 11:17:31 -0000
From: Brian Hartgen via Leaseylist <leaseylist@...>
Reply-To: Leasey <leaseylist@...>
To: 'Leasey' <leaseylist@...>
CC: Brian Hartgen <jaws@...>


Hi to all

 

Very close to Christmas, a new Leasey update is available. This will need to be downloaded from our website and installed over the top of the existing version due to the additional files involved.

 

Before I get to what has changed in this update, please bare in mind that we are very close to Christmas now. We are closed as of tomorrow, 21 December. During that time, technical support is given on a limited basis with the most urgent queries being dealt with as an absolute priority. If you think you may have problems installing the update, you may want to wait until the new year. I do not believe this update is absolutely critical to have.

Any bug reports will be attended to in the new year.

 

If you previously have been provided with a manual activation file, be sure you know where it is located first before you go ahead and install the new update, so that you can apply it after the event.

 

The new version is available at

www.hartgen.org/leaseydemo

 

Note that links to the previous release are also included in the event that anyone needs to drop back to an older version.

 

We would like to wish everyone a merry Christmas and new year and thank you for your support of our company during 2018!

 

Changes.

 

Progress Bars are generally given in percentage terms to advise a user of the progress of an event which is taking place in Windows. This could be the installation of a program, but it could also be the downloading of a file from the internet, or perhaps copying a large folder from one storage location to another.

 

JAWS does give a good indicator as to the percentage of most progress bars. However, Leasey does have a sound scheme, (activated by pressing the Leasey Key then letter O). This has three states: Off, which means speech only. Sounds On, which is self-explanatory, and Sounds with Speech, where you hear both the sounds and the speech; a tutorial mode if you will. The Sounds Scheme allows sounds to represent specific events rather than speech output, for example when a web page loads or when text is being highlighted or selected.

 

Assuming the Sounds Scheme is enabled, you will hear tones which represent 5 percent increments, with the lowest tone representing 5 percent and the highest 100 percent.

During other percentage increments, you will hear a soft tick sound. While we could have just stopped at the 20 tones, we wanted users to know that progress was occurring at the other percentage points in a discrete way. For example, if a large video file is being copied from an iPhone to a computer, this can take several  minutes. The tick sounds will indicate that things are progressing, but if there is a pause in the tick sounds, this should let you know that no further progress is being made.

 

Naturally, we want users to learn what the sounds represent, so there is a tutorial mode which plays the tones from lowest to highest, together with the soft tick. This is activated by pressing Leasey Key then Windows+P.

 

Two further notes. There is a setting within JAWS to change the frequency of the progress indicator reports. This is honoured by the Sounds Scheme.

 

Secondly, in the case of downloading files using Google Chrome, there is no progress bar as such. But with Leasey, you will hear a sound to indicate that a file is downloading, and there is also a mechanism by which you can ascertain the amount of a file which has been downloaded together with the total size of the potential download. This is activated by pressing Leasey Key then Windows+P.

 

This release of Leasey will also allow you to move to the first or last instance of most web page elements. JAWS already contains the ability to move to the next or previous instance of an element, but to improve productivity, it may be helpful to move to the first and last of these.

 

For example, when you browse to a new web page, it is likely that JAWS will attempt to set focus to the start of the non-linked text. This means that if you wish to reach the first instance of a Heading or other element, you need to press Control+Home to move to the top of the page, and then press letter H. To say again, you can very quickly move to the first Heading with a keystroke using the new version of Leasey.

Press the Left Bracket key, next to letter P, followed by a quick navigation key such as H, to move to the first instance of an element.

Press the Right Bracket Key, followed by a quick navigation key, to move to the last instance of an element.

 

In Microsoft Word, there are now keystrokes to move to the first, last, next or previous spelling or grammatical error, even if the Quick Navigation keys are not enabled. This will assist in moving through a document to check spelling.

These are:

Next spelling error, alt+Semicolon.

Previous spelling error, alt+apostrophe.

First spelling error, alt+colon.

Last spelling error, alt+At sign.

Next Grammatical error, alt+Left Bracket.

Previous Grammatical error, alt+Right  Bracket.

First Grammatical error, alt+Left Brace Bracket.

Last Grammatical error, alt+Right Brace Bracket.

 

When the keystrokes are pressed to shut down or restart the computer, a message is spoken advising this is going to take place.

 

In iTunes, new keystrokes have been added to skip forward and back through an item which is playing, such as a music track. These ensure that the response is far quicker and more reliable.

Press F12 to skip forward and F11 to skip back.

 

Hopefully, a problem has been corrected in the Skype 8 access so as to move to the history list in Text Chat when a group conversation is in progress.

 

Other improvements include keyboard responsiveness in many areas and copying files and folders using LeaseyTags.

 

 

 

 

Brian Hartgen

Choose Hartgen Consultancy for high quality JAWS Script Writing, training and our products including J-Say, J-Dictate and Leasey.

Opening Hours: 9 AM to 5 PM UK time, Monday to Friday.

Telephone (in the UK) 02920-850298.

Telephone (in the United States of America) 1-415-871-0626.

Telephone (from any other country) +44-2920-820598.

Visit our website for more information!

 

Follow us on Twitter, HartgenConsult.

Like our Facebook Page.

 


Re: Owner of this list

Ed Legge <edward.legge@...>
 

Amen!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 10:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Owner of this list

I agree. I've already responded to Richard and since then have stayed out of it. Now, as already been mentioned I think it is time to get back to JAWS topics.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of cecropia64
Sent: December 23, 2018 7:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Owner of this list

James:


You had some valid points and I also love the fact that you are there in the background but not saying but watching things. Other owners/moderators would shut things down immediately. I like the leeway you are giving folks here.

On 12/23/2018 9:57 AM, Bill Tessore wrote:
Ah, the “tolerance” of the conditionally tolerant.

Shalom,

Bill Tessore
billtessore@... <mailto:billtessore@...>



On Dec 22, 2018, at 9:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard
<mailto:@Sieghard>> wrote:

Have you ever heard about freedom of religion and speech?

Christianity is not bad because bad things have been done in its name
just as a knife is not bad because somebody used it to stab a person
with it.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
& his pack of dogs
*Sent:* Saturday, December 22, 2018 11:52 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Owner of this list

Sorry, I can’t find the owner of this list so do not know how to send
this privately. I have an aversion to people who put religious tags
at the end of their message such as Christ be with you etcetera. A
lot of atrocities have be done in the name of Christianity. One
person in particular could not hold down a job or a relationship so
joined a convent. She admitted to getting off on the looks she got
from the general public when in her habit with me and my guide dog.
She gets off on being in the lime light to the point of neglecting
her own mother unless it suits her purpose. Any negative publicity on
the news is just propaganda according to her. This is not indicative
of all nuns as another one lived up to how a nun should be, thus, I
would humbly request that religious references be deleted from tag
lines. After all, some worship the devil, would others like it if
they put in their tag line, “The devil is the only leader for this
world.”

Re: For Users of JAWS Fwd: [Leasey] Our Christmas Gift to Leasey Users. Version 4.02 Build 5 is Available!

David Goldfield
 

Kevin,

I would visit the Leasey Central Web page and take a look at Leasey's features so that you can come to your own conclusion as to whether Leasey might prove to be useful. You can also download a limited time trial.


David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 12/22/2018 1:41 PM, Kevin Meyers wrote:

Is good to use Leasey?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 11:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: For Users of JAWS Fwd: [Leasey] Our Christmas Gift to Leasey Users. Version 4.02 Build 5 is Available!

 

Yes, and not from Freedom Scientific.

 

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: bob jutzi

Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 14:44

Subject: Re: For Users of JAWS Fwd: [Leasey] Our Christmas Gift to Leasey Users. Version 4.02 Build 5 is Available!

 

I just purchased a one-year Jaws Annual.  Is this Leasey an add-on you need to purchase?

 

Bob

 

On 12/20/2018 5:17 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Brian Hartgen released a new update to Leasey, which is a third-party addon which provides additional functionality to the JAWS screen reader. One feature which was added was something which I requested regarding spell checking within Word. This newest update gives you specific hotkeys to move the cursor to the next or previous misspelled word and to the next or previous grammatical error. JAWS can currently do this but the virtual cursor needs to be enabled first. Once the cursor is at the word you wish to edit you must then turn the virtual cursor off before you can begin editing. Window-Eyes contained the ability to move the cursor to the next or previous error without first needing to toggle browse mode on and off and I never understood why JAWS never offered such a feature. I requested the feature addition to Brian and it is now added!

Another new feature is the option of having ascending tones to indicate progress bar announcements. This is similar to what NVDA offers and to what Window-Eyes offered but the feature has been somewhat enhanced with some additional functionality. This was another feature I requested/see the below message for more details.

 



-------- Forwarded Message --------

Subject:

[Leasey] Our Christmas Gift to Leasey Users. Version 4.02 Build 5 is Available!

Date:

Thu, 20 Dec 2018 11:17:31 -0000

From:

Brian Hartgen via Leaseylist <leaseylist@...>

Reply-To:

Leasey <leaseylist@...>

To:

'Leasey' <leaseylist@...>

CC:

Brian Hartgen <jaws@...>




Hi to all

Very close to Christmas, a new Leasey update is available. This will need to be downloaded from our website and installed over the top of the existing version due to the additional files involved.

Before I get to what has changed in this update, please bare in mind that we are very close to Christmas now. We are closed as of tomorrow, 21 December. During that time, technical support is given on a limited basis with the most urgent queries being dealt with as an absolute priority. If you think you may have problems installing the update, you may want to wait until the new year. I do not believe this update is absolutely critical to have.

Any bug reports will be attended to in the new year.

If you previously have been provided with a manual activation file, be sure you know where it is located first before you go ahead and install the new update, so that you can apply it after the event.

The new version is available at

www.hartgen.org/leaseydemo

Note that links to the previous release are also included in the event that anyone needs to drop back to an older version.

We would like to wish everyone a merry Christmas and new year and thank you for your support of our company during 2018!

Changes.

Progress Bars are generally given in percentage terms to advise a user of the progress of an event which is taking place in Windows. This could be the installation of a program, but it could also be the downloading of a file from the internet, or perhaps copying a large folder from one storage location to another.

JAWS does give a good indicator as to the percentage of most progress bars. However, Leasey does have a sound scheme, (activated by pressing the Leasey Key then letter O). This has three states: Off, which means speech only. Sounds On, which is self-explanatory, and Sounds with Speech, where you hear both the sounds and the speech; a tutorial mode if you will. The Sounds Scheme allows sounds to represent specific events rather than speech output, for example when a web page loads or when text is being highlighted or selected.

Assuming the Sounds Scheme is enabled, you will hear tones which represent 5 percent increments, with the lowest tone representing 5 percent and the highest 100 percent.

During other percentage increments, you will hear a soft tick sound. While we could have just stopped at the 20 tones, we wanted users to know that progress was occurring at the other percentage points in a discrete way. For example, if a large video file is being copied from an iPhone to a computer, this can take several  minutes. The tick sounds will indicate that things are progressing, but if there is a pause in the tick sounds, this should let you know that no further progress is being made.

Naturally, we want users to learn what the sounds represent, so there is a tutorial mode which plays the tones from lowest to highest, together with the soft tick. This is activated by pressing Leasey Key then Windows+P.

Two further notes. There is a setting within JAWS to change the frequency of the progress indicator reports. This is honoured by the Sounds Scheme.

Secondly, in the case of downloading files using Google Chrome, there is no progress bar as such. But with Leasey, you will hear a sound to indicate that a file is downloading, and there is also a mechanism by which you can ascertain the amount of a file which has been downloaded together with the total size of the potential download. This is activated by pressing Leasey Key then Windows+P.

This release of Leasey will also allow you to move to the first or last instance of most web page elements. JAWS already contains the ability to move to the next or previous instance of an element, but to improve productivity, it may be helpful to move to the first and last of these.

For example, when you browse to a new web page, it is likely that JAWS will attempt to set focus to the start of the non-linked text. This means that if you wish to reach the first instance of a Heading or other element, you need to press Control+Home to move to the top of the page, and then press letter H. To say again, you can very quickly move to the first Heading with a keystroke using the new version of Leasey.

Press the Left Bracket key, next to letter P, followed by a quick navigation key such as H, to move to the first instance of an element.

Press the Right Bracket Key, followed by a quick navigation key, to move to the last instance of an element.

In Microsoft Word, there are now keystrokes to move to the first, last, next or previous spelling or grammatical error, even if the Quick Navigation keys are not enabled. This will assist in moving through a document to check spelling.

These are:

Next spelling error, alt+Semicolon.

Previous spelling error, alt+apostrophe.

First spelling error, alt+colon.

Last spelling error, alt+At sign.

Next Grammatical error, alt+Left Bracket.

Previous Grammatical error, alt+Right  Bracket.

First Grammatical error, alt+Left Brace Bracket.

Last Grammatical error, alt+Right Brace Bracket.

When the keystrokes are pressed to shut down or restart the computer, a message is spoken advising this is going to take place.

In iTunes, new keystrokes have been added to skip forward and back through an item which is playing, such as a music track. These ensure that the response is far quicker and more reliable.

Press F12 to skip forward and F11 to skip back.

Hopefully, a problem has been corrected in the Skype 8 access so as to move to the history list in Text Chat when a group conversation is in progress.

Other improvements include keyboard responsiveness in many areas and copying files and folders using LeaseyTags.

Brian Hartgen

Choose Hartgen Consultancy for high quality JAWS Script Writing, training and our products including J-Say, J-Dictate and Leasey.

Opening Hours: 9 AM to 5 PM UK time, Monday to Friday.

Telephone (in the UK) 02920-850298.

Telephone (in the United States of America) 1-415-871-0626.

Telephone (from any other country) +44-2920-820598.

Visit our website for more information!

Follow us on Twitter, HartgenConsult.

Like our Facebook Page.

 

Re: Hp Pavillion function keys

Nate Kile
 

Hello,

Yes, it will more than likely need to be done in the bios, HP has a page that shows the different models and the steps to change the function status. It only takes about 2 minutes, but a sighted person will typically need to do it.

On 12/23/2018 3:18 AM, Dave Durber wrote:
Hello Kelsey:

If your parents HP laptop was a new model in 2011, then it is likely that the setting will need to be change in the BIOS.

I purchased my HP Pavillion DV6 in 2011 and I had to get someone in the shop to change the setting in the BIOS.

HTH

Dave Durber

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelsey Nicolay" <piano.girl0299@...>
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 3:12 PM
Subject: Hp Pavillion function keys



Hello,
I’m not sure if this is the right list, but I was hoping someone might know the answer to this. My parents have offered me their Hp Pavillion with i7 processor that they no longer use. In return, I have to give them my old laptop. The laptop I will be getting is from 2011. Does anyone know whether I will have to change the function keys in the BIOS or if that unit is old enough that I won’t have to? My Hp is from 2009 and I didn’t have to make this change. I tried to call Hp’s accessibility line to see if they can answer my question, but they don’t answer their phone. I guess I could try sales chat to see if they might know.
Kind Regards,
Kelsey Nicolay





.
--
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Assistive Technology Instructor, TechVision
Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual instruction for schools
Also Private training to your needs
907-444-3707
Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com

CSE HTML Validator

Richard Turner
 

Does anyone know of scripts for the program CSE HTML Validator?  I have used it for years with Window-eyes.  Now that I only have Jaws and NVDA plus Narrator, I was using HTML Validator this morning and JI couldn’t quite figure out how to navigate in it with Jaws when checking a web site’s validation errors.

 

I have to leave in a moment, but I will do more digging on my own.  I was simply hoping someone out there knew the software and knew of scripts.

 

Thanks,

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

Re: Any good IDE's for C++ Development?

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

Yes. I downloaded Visual Studio Community 2015, as that's how high my
machine can go up to. Any higher updates would break compatibility with my
current configuration of JAWS 15! And no, I don't have the funds to upgrade
JAWS either.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 8:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Any good IDE's for C++ Development?

just a guess, did you download the correct one?

from the below link/address, there are 3 editions to download:

a fully-featured IDE for students, open-source and individual developers
which is the free one, Visual Studio Professional 2017 and Visual Studio
Enterprise 2017 are both trial versions.

https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/community/

-------- Original Message --------
From: Annabelle Susan Morison [mailto:foristnights@...]
Sent: Sun, Dec 23, 2018 8:37 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Any good IDE's for C++ Development?

Hi, it's Annabelle.
Are there any IDE's out there for C++ development that are fully accessible
to screenreaders like JAWS? I've tried Visual Studio Community, but
unfortunately they deceived me when I downloaded it. The people at Microsoft
said it was free, but then after about 60 days, I found out it was actually
an evaluation, as a message came up saying "Your evaluation period has
expired." Even worse, my Microsoft account got suspended as a result of
so-called inactivity! I'd like to have an IDE which can compile programs for
all operating systems, won't install any bloatware, and most important of
all, won't take forever to install!
Visual Studio Community could compile for all operating systems, but
unfortunately it certainly succeeded in installing bloatware, and worst of
all, it took forever to install!

Re: Any good IDE's for C++ Development?

Mario
 

just a guess, did you download the correct one?

from the below link/address, there are 3 editions to download:

a fully-featured IDE for students, open-source and individual developers
which is the free one, Visual Studio Professional 2017 and Visual Studio
Enterprise 2017 are both trial versions.

https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/community/

-------- Original Message --------
From: Annabelle Susan Morison [mailto:foristnights@...]
Sent: Sun, Dec 23, 2018 8:37 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Any good IDE's for C++ Development?

Hi, it's Annabelle.
Are there any IDE's out there for C++ development that are fully
accessible to screenreaders like JAWS? I've tried Visual Studio
Community, but unfortunately they deceived me when I downloaded it. The
people at Microsoft said it was free, but then after about 60 days, I
found out it was actually an evaluation, as a message came up saying
"Your evaluation period has expired." Even worse, my Microsoft account
got suspended as a result of so-called inactivity! I'd like to have an
IDE which can compile programs for all operating systems, won't install
any bloatware, and most important of all, won't take forever to install!
Visual Studio Community could compile for all operating systems, but
unfortunately it certainly succeeded in installing bloatware, and worst
of all, it took forever to install!

Re: Owner of this list

David & his pack of dogs
 

I agree. I've already responded to Richard and since then have stayed out of it. Now, as already been mentioned I think it is time to get back to JAWS topics.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of cecropia64
Sent: December 23, 2018 7:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Owner of this list

James:


You had some valid points and I also love the fact that you are there in the background but not saying but watching things. Other owners/moderators would shut things down immediately. I like the leeway you are giving folks here.

On 12/23/2018 9:57 AM, Bill Tessore wrote:
Ah, the “tolerance” of the conditionally tolerant.

Shalom,

Bill Tessore
billtessore@... <mailto:billtessore@...>



On Dec 22, 2018, at 9:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard
<mailto:@Sieghard>> wrote:

Have you ever heard about freedom of religion and speech?

Christianity is not bad because bad things have been done in its name
just as a knife is not bad because somebody used it to stab a person
with it.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
& his pack of dogs
*Sent:* Saturday, December 22, 2018 11:52 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Owner of this list

Sorry, I can’t find the owner of this list so do not know how to send
this privately. I have an aversion to people who put religious tags
at the end of their message such as Christ be with you etcetera. A
lot of atrocities have be done in the name of Christianity. One
person in particular could not hold down a job or a relationship so
joined a convent. She admitted to getting off on the looks she got
from the general public when in her habit with me and my guide dog.
She gets off on being in the lime light to the point of neglecting
her own mother unless it suits her purpose. Any negative publicity on
the news is just propaganda according to her. This is not indicative
of all nuns as another one lived up to how a nun should be, thus, I
would humbly request that religious references be deleted from tag
lines. After all, some worship the devil, would others like it if
they put in their tag line, “The devil is the only leader for this
world.”

Re: installing scripts for Goldwave

Mario
 

and do dialogs that provide using the arrow keys to select a choice read
as you arrow up or down? I find that dialogs that are edit combo boxes
do not read but dialogs that are combo boxes do read when using the up
or down arrow keys.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Dave Durber [mailto:d.durber@...]
Sent: Sun, Dec 23, 2018 10:13 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: installing scripts for Goldwave

Hello Mario

I am using JAWS 2018.

On my Windows 7 Professional computer, the path where the GoldWave
scripts are located, is the same as yours, except for the username for
my system.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mario" <mrb620@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: installing scripts for Goldwave


yes, do let me know. it would be interesting if it would be different,
but I'd think it wouldn't.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Richard Turner [mailto:richardturner42@...]
Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2018 5:54 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: installing scripts for Goldwave


I have Windows 7 Pro here at work.
I'll double check the path and scripts at home where I have Windows 10
1809.
Did you take the scripts out of the other location? Not sure that is
needed, but who knows.
Richard



"It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really good
books which are your very own." __  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

On Dec 18, 2018, at 12:53 PM, Mario <mrb620@...> wrote:

I spoke too soon, drat! I tried it again, just to make sure it was
working. it's not. this problem is driving me nutso, making my hair
grayer. what little I have left. lol.

wish I had Jim Bowers email so I could ask him about my problem. as I
understand, he is the original author of the scripts, not Jim Grimsby.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@...]
Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2018 3:21 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: installing scripts for Goldwave

hi Richard, when I copied the scripts to the location that you
specified, ran GW, opened an audio file and tried to select an effect
preset, JAWS would not speak as I arrowed down. closing all windows, I
removed the Goldwave4 scripts, tried GW again, and could now arrow to
the preset.

were you using Windows 10 or 7? I think there may be some very subtle
differences depending on which OS is running.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Richard Turner [mailto:richardturner42@...]
Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2018 3:00 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: installing scripts for Goldwave


My scripts for Goldwave are in:
c Program Data, Freedom Scientific, Jaws, 2018, scripts, enu
I have both goldwave and doldwave4 script files in there. When I press
insert-q I hear Goldwave version 5,6 settings.


I hear the numbers change as I arrow up or down, for example on the
low/high pass settings.


Richard



"It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really good
books which are your very own." __  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

On Dec 18, 2018, at 9:37 AM, Mario <mrb620@...> wrote:

when I use Goldwave, I am experiencing a problem where JAWS does not
read the presets as I arrow down or up and some dialogs where a number
can be changed by arrowing up or down.

right now, the scripts reside in the user settings/ENU folder:
"C:\Users\Mario\AppData\Roaming\Freedom
Scientific\JAWS\2018\Settings\enu"

     but I think for JAWS 2018 or later, the scripts need to reside
somewhere else. if so, where do they go and are all of the scripts,
Goldwave and Goldwave4 files, copied?







.












.










.

Re: Owner of this list

cecropia64
 

James:


You had some valid points and I also love the fact that you are there in the background but not saying but watching things.  Other owners/moderators would shut things down immediately.  I like the leeway you are giving folks here.

On 12/23/2018 9:57 AM, Bill Tessore wrote:
Ah, the “tolerance” of the conditionally tolerant.

Shalom,

Bill Tessore
billtessore@... <mailto:billtessore@...>



On Dec 22, 2018, at 9:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard <mailto:@Sieghard>> wrote:

Have you ever heard about freedom of religion and speech?

Christianity is not bad because bad things have been done in its name just as a knife is not bad because somebody used it to stab a person with it.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David & his pack of dogs
*Sent:* Saturday, December 22, 2018 11:52 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Owner of this list

Sorry, I can’t find the owner of this list so do not know how to send this privately.  I have an aversion to people who put religious tags at the end of their message such as Christ be with you etcetera.  A lot of atrocities have be done in the name of Christianity. One person  in particular could not hold down a job or a relationship so joined a convent. She admitted to getting off on the looks she got from the general public when in her habit with me and my guide dog.  She gets off on being in the lime light to the point of neglecting her own mother unless it suits her purpose. Any negative publicity on the news is just propaganda according to her. This is not indicative of all nuns as another one lived up to how a nun should be,  thus, I would humbly request that religious references be deleted from tag lines. After all, some worship the devil, would others like it if they put in their tag line, “The devil is the only leader for this world.”

Re: installing scripts for Goldwave

Dave Durber
 

Hello Mario

I am using JAWS 2018.

On my Windows 7 Professional computer, the path where the GoldWave scripts are located, is the same as yours, except for the username for my system.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario" <mrb620@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: installing scripts for Goldwave


yes, do let me know. it would be interesting if it would be different,
but I'd think it wouldn't.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Richard Turner [mailto:richardturner42@...]
Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2018 5:54 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: installing scripts for Goldwave


I have Windows 7 Pro here at work.
I'll double check the path and scripts at home where I have Windows 10 1809.
Did you take the scripts out of the other location? Not sure that is
needed, but who knows.
Richard



"It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really good
books which are your very own." __ Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

On Dec 18, 2018, at 12:53 PM, Mario <mrb620@...> wrote:

I spoke too soon, drat! I tried it again, just to make sure it was
working. it's not. this problem is driving me nutso, making my hair
grayer. what little I have left. lol.

wish I had Jim Bowers email so I could ask him about my problem. as I
understand, he is the original author of the scripts, not Jim Grimsby.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@...]
Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2018 3:21 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: installing scripts for Goldwave

hi Richard, when I copied the scripts to the location that you
specified, ran GW, opened an audio file and tried to select an effect
preset, JAWS would not speak as I arrowed down. closing all windows, I
removed the Goldwave4 scripts, tried GW again, and could now arrow to
the preset.

were you using Windows 10 or 7? I think there may be some very subtle
differences depending on which OS is running.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Richard Turner [mailto:richardturner42@...]
Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2018 3:00 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: installing scripts for Goldwave


My scripts for Goldwave are in:
c Program Data, Freedom Scientific, Jaws, 2018, scripts, enu
I have both goldwave and doldwave4 script files in there. When I press
insert-q I hear Goldwave version 5,6 settings.


I hear the numbers change as I arrow up or down, for example on the
low/high pass settings.


Richard



"It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really good
books which are your very own." __ Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

On Dec 18, 2018, at 9:37 AM, Mario <mrb620@...> wrote:

when I use Goldwave, I am experiencing a problem where JAWS does not
read the presets as I arrow down or up and some dialogs where a number
can be changed by arrowing up or down.

right now, the scripts reside in the user settings/ENU folder:
"C:\Users\Mario\AppData\Roaming\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\2018\Settings\enu"

but I think for JAWS 2018 or later, the scripts need to reside
somewhere else. if so, where do they go and are all of the scripts,
Goldwave and Goldwave4 files, copied?







.












.




Re: Owner of this list

cecropia64
 

I get everyone's right to express opinions but I also feel there is a time and a place.  While I agree with the freedom of speech act, I also believe that this is a Jaws list and should be kept that way.  Now the whole tangent of religion has taken a spotlight and we've gotten off the topic of this whole list, Jaws.  How about we get back to what it is all about and leave the other stuff for other places.

On 12/23/2018 9:57 AM, Bill Tessore wrote:
Ah, the “tolerance” of the conditionally tolerant.

Shalom,

Bill Tessore
billtessore@... <mailto:billtessore@...>



On Dec 22, 2018, at 9:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard <mailto:@Sieghard>> wrote:

Have you ever heard about freedom of religion and speech?

Christianity is not bad because bad things have been done in its name just as a knife is not bad because somebody used it to stab a person with it.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David & his pack of dogs
*Sent:* Saturday, December 22, 2018 11:52 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Owner of this list

Sorry, I can’t find the owner of this list so do not know how to send this privately.  I have an aversion to people who put religious tags at the end of their message such as Christ be with you etcetera.  A lot of atrocities have be done in the name of Christianity. One person  in particular could not hold down a job or a relationship so joined a convent. She admitted to getting off on the looks she got from the general public when in her habit with me and my guide dog.  She gets off on being in the lime light to the point of neglecting her own mother unless it suits her purpose. Any negative publicity on the news is just propaganda according to her. This is not indicative of all nuns as another one lived up to how a nun should be,  thus, I would humbly request that religious references be deleted from tag lines. After all, some worship the devil, would others like it if they put in their tag line, “The devil is the only leader for this world.”

Re: Owner of this list

Bill Tessore
 

Ah, the “tolerance” of the conditionally tolerant.

Shalom,

Bill Tessore



On Dec 22, 2018, at 9:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

Have you ever heard about freedom of religion and speech?

Christianity is not bad because bad things have been done in its name just as a knife is not bad because somebody used it to stab a person with it.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 11:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Owner of this list

 

Sorry, I can’t find the owner of this list so do not know how to send this privately.  I have an aversion to people who put religious tags at the end of their message such as Christ be with you etcetera.  A lot of atrocities have be done in the name of Christianity. One person  in particular could not hold down a job or a relationship so joined a convent. She admitted to getting off on the looks she got from the general public when in her habit with me and my guide dog.  She gets off on being in the lime light to the point of neglecting her own mother unless it suits her purpose. Any negative publicity on the news is just propaganda according to her. This is not indicative of all nuns as another one lived up to how a nun should be,  thus, I would humbly request that religious references be deleted from tag lines. After all, some worship the devil, would others like it if they put in their tag line, “The devil is the only leader for this world.”         

Re: Hp Pavillion function keys

Dave Durber
 

Hello Stan:

It seems to depend on the HP model you purchase. My laptop, is an HP Pavillion DV6, which I purchased in 2011 and I had to get someone to go into the BIOs and change the behaviour of the function keys, but once it was done that was it.

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan Bobbitt" <stan.bobbitt@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: Hp Pavillion function keys


Hi,
I have an HP pavilion laptop from 2012. It's the I7. I didn't have to change the function keys or anything. I'm pretty sure yours is old enough so That you won’t have to either.
HTH,
Stan B
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelsey Nicolay
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 10:13 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Hp Pavillion function keys


Hello,
I’m not sure if this is the right list, but I was hoping someone might know the answer to this. My parents have offered me their Hp Pavillion with i7 processor that they no longer use. In return, I have to give them my old laptop. The laptop I will be getting is from 2011. Does anyone know whether I will have to change the function keys in the BIOS or if that unit is old enough that I won’t have to? My Hp is from 2009 and I didn’t have to make this change. I tried to call Hp’s accessibility line to see if they can answer my question, but they don’t answer their phone. I guess I could try sales chat to see if they might know.
Kind Regards,
Kelsey Nicolay





Any good IDE's for C++ Development?

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

Hi, it's Annabelle.
Are there any IDE's out there for C++ development that are fully accessible to screenreaders like JAWS? I've tried Visual Studio Community, but unfortunately they deceived me when I downloaded it. The people at Microsoft said it was free, but then after about 60 days, I found out it was actually an evaluation, as a message came up saying "Your evaluation period has expired." Even worse, my Microsoft account got suspended as a result of so-called inactivity! I'd like to have an IDE which can compile programs for all operating systems, won't install any bloatware, and most important of all, won't take forever to install! Visual Studio Community could compile for all operating systems, but unfortunately it certainly succeeded in installing bloatware, and worst of all, it took forever to install!

Re: Hp Pavillion function keys

Dave Durber
 

Hello Kelsey:

If your parents HP laptop was a new model in 2011, then it is likely that the setting will need to be change in the BIOS.

I purchased my HP Pavillion DV6 in 2011 and I had to get someone in the shop to change the setting in the BIOS.

HTH

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelsey Nicolay" <piano.girl0299@...>
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 3:12 PM
Subject: Hp Pavillion function keys



Hello,
I’m not sure if this is the right list, but I was hoping someone might know the answer to this. My parents have offered me their Hp Pavillion with i7 processor that they no longer use. In return, I have to give them my old laptop. The laptop I will be getting is from 2011. Does anyone know whether I will have to change the function keys in the BIOS or if that unit is old enough that I won’t have to? My Hp is from 2009 and I didn’t have to make this change. I tried to call Hp’s accessibility line to see if they can answer my question, but they don’t answer their phone. I guess I could try sales chat to see if they might know.
Kind Regards,
Kelsey Nicolay

Re: Owner of this list

 

Have you ever heard about freedom of religion and speech?

Christianity is not bad because bad things have been done in its name just as a knife is not bad because somebody used it to stab a person with it.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 11:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Owner of this list

 

Sorry, I can’t find the owner of this list so do not know how to send this privately.  I have an aversion to people who put religious tags at the end of their message such as Christ be with you etcetera.  A lot of atrocities have be done in the name of Christianity. One person  in particular could not hold down a job or a relationship so joined a convent. She admitted to getting off on the looks she got from the general public when in her habit with me and my guide dog.  She gets off on being in the lime light to the point of neglecting her own mother unless it suits her purpose. Any negative publicity on the news is just propaganda according to her. This is not indicative of all nuns as another one lived up to how a nun should be,  thus, I would humbly request that religious references be deleted from tag lines. After all, some worship the devil, would others like it if they put in their tag line, “The devil is the only leader for this world.”         

Question on viewing retweeted threads in TW Blue

Cristóbal
 

Hello list,

Does anyone know how to view/access retweeted threads in TW Blue? The view conversation command doesn’t seem to do anything.

Using the latest JFW 2019 and most current TW Blue portable client.

Thanks,

 

Cristóbal

Re: Owner of this list

Ed Legge <edward.legge@...>
 

Please, can we just get on with the purpose of this list?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 05:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Owner of this list

 

 Sorry David, this is not the list for this type of discussion. And whether unbelievers like it or not it’s a free country I have my rights to express my views. 

 

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io on behalf of David & his pack of dogs <myguidedogis@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 2:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Owner of this list

 

Sorry, I can’t find the owner of this list so do not know how to send this privately.  I have an aversion to people who put religious tags at the end of their message such as Christ be with you etcetera.  A lot of atrocities have be done in the name of Christianity. One person  in particular could not hold down a job or a relationship so joined a convent. She admitted to getting off on the looks she got from the general public when in her habit with me and my guide dog.  She gets off on being in the lime light to the point of neglecting her own mother unless it suits her purpose. Any negative publicity on the news is just propaganda according to her. This is not indicative of all nuns as another one lived up to how a nun should be,  thus, I would humbly request that religious references be deleted from tag lines. After all, some worship the devil, would others like it if they put in their tag line, “The devil is the only leader for this world.”