Date   

Re: Application-Specific Settings

Steve Matzura
 

OK. What I forgot to do was to create a voice profile for use with the specific application. All set now. THANK YOU!

On 12/14/2018 3:21 PM, Mario wrote:
Steve, are you sure? there should be a setting for rate for each
profile. To assign it to the application you want, hit Insert+Control+S
while in the desired application, and tab to the second list of
profiles, selecting the desired profile for that application. I have
noticed that pressing the spacebar on the OK button works as opposed to
pressing the enter key.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Steve Matzura [mailto:number6@noisynotes.com]
Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2018 11:40 AM EST
To: JFW
Subject: Application-Specific Settings

I can't believe I've forgotten how to do this. How is JAWS set to speak
at a different rate for a specific application? I can of course create a
new application profile, and everything is in there except speaking
rate. Where is that set?


Thanks in advance.


Re: Your thoughts on using a SurfacePro with JAWS

John Holcomb II <jhii926@...>
 

Personally, I think the keyboard is a little crampt.
Its not what I'd pick.
But it works well enough yes.
Haven't tried it in tablit only mode, as this is not how I use a PC>
John

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Portillo
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 7:15 PM
Subject: Your thoughts on using a SurfacePro with JAWS

Howdy,

I’d like to know if anyone uses or has used a Microsoft SurfacePro as a tablet or laptop with JAWS. I understand it can run MS Office 365 and basically other programs with no issues. I don’t know if it would have the memory of a full-fledged laptop, but how would that go as a tablet or travel computer?
I’m just asking for opinions.
Thanks.
Jim Portillo


Your thoughts on using a SurfacePro with JAWS

Jim Portillo
 

Howdy,

I’d like to know if anyone uses or has used a Microsoft SurfacePro as a tablet or laptop with JAWS. I understand it can run MS Office 365 and basically other programs with no issues. I don’t know if it would have the memory of a full-fledged laptop, but how would that go as a tablet or travel computer?
I’m just asking for opinions.
Thanks.
Jim Portillo


Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

You're welcome, Pam. Glad I had information which may have helped you.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ekstrand,
Pamela A. -ND
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 11:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Bill,

Thanks for this information. I have had this issue since I got this Dell
computer with Realtech drivers. I downloaded and installed Silenzio, and so
far it seems to have solved the issue. I can't say for sure yet because the
issue is somewhat inconsistent, but it seems hopeful.

Thanks again, as this has been an annoyance.

Pam


________________________________________
From: main@jfw.groups.io [main@jfw.groups.io] on behalf of Bill White
[billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 12:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Hi, Tom. It's not a Microsoft problem. It's a problem with the particular
sound card which is built into the computer you purchased. Because of this,
workarounds are necessary. Microsoft can't do anything about it, because the
computer manufacturer built this behavior into the computer, supposedly to
save power. They forget that sometimes it is necessary for the sound card to
remain active at all times.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com<mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 5:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Bill:

Thanks for this info and for the link.

I may actually do this, but it kind of bothers me that it should even be
necessary.

It would seem that it's a Microsoft problem that they should be addressing.

Of course, I don't know if anyone else is having this problem, so it could
be unique to this computer for some reason.

Anyway, I appreciate your willingness to help as always!

Tom Behler


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 10:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Hi, Tom. There is a program called Silenzio which is supposed to keep the
sound card from going to sleep.

Try downloading it from the following link.

Download Silenzio
here<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ste
fankiss.sk%2Fmodules.php%3Fname%3DDownloads%26d_op%3Dgetit%26lid%3D112&data=
02%7C01%7Cpamela.a.ekstrand.-nd%40disney.com%7C3a93b01f7f724dacc4ab08d661e9f
e42%7C56b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e913c6%7C1%7C0%7C636804054958362831&sdata=ap
6rEhZTNWYLhwGO5LCWEwYCg79S%2Ftl1jBJT8zOQbQA%3D&reserved=0>

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com<mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Bill:

It happens with Narrator too.

I'm not sure what to do from here.

Tom Behler


From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 8:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Hi, Tom. Try turning on Narrator, and see if you get the same delay through
Narrator. If so, you might have one of the sound cards which go to sleep
frequently, and need to be awoken by key presses.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com<mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 5:01 PM
To: jfw list
Subject: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Hello, everyone.

As some of you may remember, I'm continuing to set up a new Dell Windows 10
computer with Jaws.

The computer has an Intel I7 processor, 16 gigabytes of ram, a 12 gigabyte
solid-state drive, and a 1 terabyte mechanical hard drive.

I mention this right from the start, because this computer should have
plenty of horse power to work well with Jaws.

I have noticed that, when typing something, after I stop using the computer
for 30 seconds or so, I do not get Jaws feedback until I press at least four
or five keys. In other words, there's a considerable delay until Jaws
starts speaking again.

I am thinking this is a Jaws issue, but am not totally sure.

I'm currently using Jaws 2018, and plan to upgrade to Jaws 2019 soon,
although I'm a bit hesitant to do so right now because of other known
problems with Jaws 2019 and MS Word.

Are there some settings I should look at to try to address this issue?

Thanks as always!

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Tom Behler
 

Ok, thanks.

 

I bought the computer at Best Buy, so may check with the Geek Squad on this.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 9:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

 

The other option is to dig through the sound card's drivers in device manager to see if there is an option to turn off the power saving.  It could also be something in the advanced settings.   power section of control panel I don't think it has a thing to do with microsoft, it is a sound driver issue and those were likely written by the manufacturer of the sound chip.  I have a set of usb speakers that have this feature built in, therefore I don't use them as intended.

 

 

 

On 12/14/2018 07:58, Tom Behler wrote:

Bill:

 

Thanks for this info and for the link.

 

I may actually do this, but it kind of bothers me that it should even be necessary.

 

It would seem that it’s a Microsoft problem that they should be addressing.

 

Of course, I don’t know if anyone else is having this problem, so it could be unique to this computer for some reason.

 

Anyway, I appreciate your willingness to help as always!

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 10:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

 

Hi, Tom. There is a program called Silenzio which is supposed to keep the sound card from going to sleep.

 

Try downloading it from the following link.

 

Download Silenzio here

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

 

Bill:

 

It happens with Narrator too.

 

I’m not sure what to do from here.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 8:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

 

Hi, Tom. Try turning on Narrator, and see if you get the same delay through Narrator. If so, you might have one of the sound cards which go to sleep frequently, and need to be awoken by key presses.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 5:01 PM
To: jfw list
Subject: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

 

Hello, everyone.

 

As some of you may remember, I’m continuing to set up a new Dell Windows 10 computer with Jaws.

 

The computer has an Intel I7 processor, 16 gigabytes of ram, a 12 gigabyte solid-state drive, and a 1 terabyte mechanical hard drive.

 

I mention this right from the start, because this computer should have plenty of horse power to work well with Jaws.

 

I have noticed that, when typing something, after I stop using the computer for 30 seconds or so, I do not get Jaws feedback until I press at least four or five keys.  In other words, there’s a considerable delay until Jaws starts speaking again.

 

I am thinking this is a Jaws issue, but am not totally sure.

 

I’m currently using Jaws 2018, and plan to upgrade to Jaws 2019 soon, although I’m a bit hesitant to do so right now because of other known problems with Jaws 2019 and MS Word.

 

Are there some settings I should look at to try to address this issue?

 

Thanks as always!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 


Re: Application-Specific Settings

Mario
 

Steve, are you sure? there should be a setting for rate for each
profile. To assign it to the application you want, hit Insert+Control+S
while in the desired application, and tab to the second list of
profiles, selecting the desired profile for that application. I have
noticed that pressing the spacebar on the OK button works as opposed to
pressing the enter key.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Steve Matzura [mailto:number6@noisynotes.com]
Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2018 11:40 AM EST
To: JFW
Subject: Application-Specific Settings

I can't believe I've forgotten how to do this. How is JAWS set to speak
at a different rate for a specific application? I can of course create a
new application profile, and everything is in there except speaking
rate. Where is that set?


Thanks in advance.




.


Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
 

Yes, when I googled something like "Silenzio preventing sound card from sleeping", one of the links that popped up was Jonathan's article. Silenzio was one of the main workarounds he mentioned.

Pam

Pam Ekstrand
Database Administrator
Email: pamela.a.ekstrand.-nd@disney.com
Home Office: 727-729-8210
Cell: 727-365-3781

________________________________________
From: main@jfw.groups.io [main@jfw.groups.io] on behalf of Kimber Gardner [kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 2:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

I believe Jonathan Mosen wrote a blog post about this very problem. I know he talked about it on one of the blindside podcasts. I don't have a link handy, but some googling would probably turn it up.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

The happy ending still beckons, and it is in the hope of grasping it that we go on.—Annie Proulx

On Dec 14, 2018, at 2:11 PM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND <pamela.a.ekstrand.-nd@disney.com<mailto:pamela.a.ekstrand.-nd@disney.com>> wrote:

Bill,

Thanks for this information. I have had this issue since I got this Dell computer with Realtech drivers. I downloaded and installed Silenzio, and so far it seems to have solved the issue. I can't say for sure yet because the issue is somewhat inconsistent, but it seems hopeful.

Thanks again, as this has been an annoyance.

Pam


________________________________________
From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>] on behalf of Bill White [billwhite92701@dslextreme.com<mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>]
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 12:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Hi, Tom. It’s not a Microsoft problem. It’s a problem with the particular sound card which is built into the computer you purchased. Because of this, workarounds are necessary. Microsoft can’t do anything about it, because the computer manufacturer built this behavior into the computer, supposedly to save power. They forget that sometimes it is necessary for the sound card to remain active at all times.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com<mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com><mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 5:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Bill:

Thanks for this info and for the link.

I may actually do this, but it kind of bothers me that it should even be necessary.

It would seem that it’s a Microsoft problem that they should be addressing.

Of course, I don’t know if anyone else is having this problem, so it could be unique to this computer for some reason.

Anyway, I appreciate your willingness to help as always!

Tom Behler


From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 10:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Hi, Tom. There is a program called Silenzio which is supposed to keep the sound card from going to sleep.

Try downloading it from the following link.

Download Silenzio here<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stefankiss.sk%2Fmodules.php%3Fname%3DDownloads%26d_op%3Dgetit%26lid%3D112&data=02%7C01%7Cpamela.a.ekstrand.-nd%40disney.com%7C3a93b01f7f724dacc4ab08d661e9fe42%7C56b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e913c6%7C1%7C0%7C636804054958362831&sdata=ap6rEhZTNWYLhwGO5LCWEwYCg79S%2Ftl1jBJT8zOQbQA%3D&reserved=0<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stefankiss.sk%2Fmodules.php%3Fname%3DDownloads%26d_op%3Dgetit%26lid%3D112&data=02%7C01%7Cpamela.a.ekstrand.-nd%40disney.com%7C057d70d98f8a4e57223e08d661f9797b%7C56b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e913c6%7C1%7C0%7C636804121444282228&sdata=%2Fh9QXQWUWI9HAJqqtEFQ%2Fj7Px5lPDUOschqHkBiNgbg%3D&reserved=0>>

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com<mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com><mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io><mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io><mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Bill:

It happens with Narrator too.

I’m not sure what to do from here.

Tom Behler


From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io><mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io><mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 8:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io><mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Hi, Tom. Try turning on Narrator, and see if you get the same delay through Narrator. If so, you might have one of the sound cards which go to sleep frequently, and need to be awoken by key presses.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com<mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com><mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io><mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 5:01 PM
To: jfw list
Subject: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Hello, everyone.

As some of you may remember, I’m continuing to set up a new Dell Windows 10 computer with Jaws.

The computer has an Intel I7 processor, 16 gigabytes of ram, a 12 gigabyte solid-state drive, and a 1 terabyte mechanical hard drive.

I mention this right from the start, because this computer should have plenty of horse power to work well with Jaws.

I have noticed that, when typing something, after I stop using the computer for 30 seconds or so, I do not get Jaws feedback until I press at least four or five keys. In other words, there’s a considerable delay until Jaws starts speaking again.

I am thinking this is a Jaws issue, but am not totally sure.

I’m currently using Jaws 2018, and plan to upgrade to Jaws 2019 soon, although I’m a bit hesitant to do so right now because of other known problems with Jaws 2019 and MS Word.

Are there some settings I should look at to try to address this issue?

Thanks as always!

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


Re: Drag and drop

 

There is a way to do it that's documented under the "For Cursors and Mouse" section of the JAWS Keyboard Shortcuts document.  CTRL+INS+NumPad SLASH if using desktop keyboard.

That being said, I avoid "simulated drag and drop" whenever possible.  There are a few cases where it's a must, but often there's another tack that can be taken.  What, specifically, are you trying to do via drag and drop?

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Drag and drop

Angie Goodnight <agoodnight@...>
 

Can we drag and drop using Jaws?

Thank you,

Angie

 


Angie Goodnight
Information and Community Outreach Coordinator
The Ability Center
419.885.5733 x 239
5605 Monroe St. Sylvania, OH 43560
abilitycenter.org

 


Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Kimber Gardner
 

I believe Jonathan Mosen wrote a blog post about this very problem. I know he talked about it on one of the blindside podcasts. I don't have a link handy, but some googling would probably turn it up. 

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

The happy ending still beckons, and it is in the hope of grasping it that we go on.—Annie Proulx


On Dec 14, 2018, at 2:11 PM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND <pamela.a.ekstrand.-nd@...> wrote:

Bill,

Thanks for this information.  I have had this issue since I got this Dell computer with Realtech drivers.  I downloaded and installed Silenzio, and so far it seems to have solved the issue.  I can't say for sure yet because the issue is somewhat inconsistent, but it seems hopeful.

Thanks again, as this has been an annoyance.

Pam


________________________________________
From: main@jfw.groups.io [main@jfw.groups.io] on behalf of Bill White [billwhite92701@...]
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 12:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Hi, Tom. It’s not a Microsoft problem. It’s a problem with the particular sound card which is built into the computer you purchased. Because of this, workarounds are necessary. Microsoft can’t do anything about it, because the computer manufacturer built this behavior into the computer, supposedly to save power. They forget that sometimes it is necessary for the sound card to remain active at all times.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...<mailto:billwhite92701@...>

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 5:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Bill:

Thanks for this info and for the link.

I may actually do this, but it kind of bothers me that it should even be necessary.

It would seem that it’s a Microsoft problem that they should be addressing.

Of course, I don’t know if anyone else is having this problem, so it could be unique to this computer for some reason.

Anyway, I appreciate your willingness to help as always!

Tom Behler


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 10:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Hi, Tom. There is a program called Silenzio which is supposed to keep the sound card from going to sleep.

Try downloading it from the following link.

Download Silenzio here<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stefankiss.sk%2Fmodules.php%3Fname%3DDownloads%26d_op%3Dgetit%26lid%3D112&data=02%7C01%7Cpamela.a.ekstrand.-nd%40disney.com%7C3a93b01f7f724dacc4ab08d661e9fe42%7C56b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e913c6%7C1%7C0%7C636804054958362831&sdata=ap6rEhZTNWYLhwGO5LCWEwYCg79S%2Ftl1jBJT8zOQbQA%3D&reserved=0>

Bill White

billwhite92701@...<mailto:billwhite92701@...>

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Bill:

It happens with Narrator too.

I’m not sure what to do from here.

Tom Behler


From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 8:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Hi, Tom. Try turning on Narrator, and see if you get the same delay through Narrator. If so, you might have one of the sound cards which go to sleep frequently, and need to be awoken by key presses.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...<mailto:billwhite92701@...>

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 5:01 PM
To: jfw list
Subject: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Hello, everyone.

As some of you may remember, I’m continuing to set up a new Dell Windows 10 computer with Jaws.

The computer has an Intel I7 processor, 16 gigabytes of ram, a 12 gigabyte solid-state drive, and a 1 terabyte mechanical hard drive.

I mention this right from the start, because this computer should have plenty of horse power to work well with Jaws.

I have noticed that, when typing something, after I stop using the computer for 30 seconds or so, I do not get Jaws feedback until I press at least four or five keys.  In other words, there’s a considerable delay until Jaws starts speaking again.

I am thinking this is a Jaws issue, but am not totally sure.

I’m currently using Jaws 2018, and plan to upgrade to Jaws 2019 soon, although I’m a bit hesitant to do so right now because of other known problems with Jaws 2019 and MS Word.

Are there some settings I should look at to try to address this issue?

Thanks as always!

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan







Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
 

Bill,

Thanks for this information. I have had this issue since I got this Dell computer with Realtech drivers. I downloaded and installed Silenzio, and so far it seems to have solved the issue. I can't say for sure yet because the issue is somewhat inconsistent, but it seems hopeful.

Thanks again, as this has been an annoyance.

Pam


________________________________________
From: main@jfw.groups.io [main@jfw.groups.io] on behalf of Bill White [billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 12:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Hi, Tom. It’s not a Microsoft problem. It’s a problem with the particular sound card which is built into the computer you purchased. Because of this, workarounds are necessary. Microsoft can’t do anything about it, because the computer manufacturer built this behavior into the computer, supposedly to save power. They forget that sometimes it is necessary for the sound card to remain active at all times.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com<mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 5:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Bill:

Thanks for this info and for the link.

I may actually do this, but it kind of bothers me that it should even be necessary.

It would seem that it’s a Microsoft problem that they should be addressing.

Of course, I don’t know if anyone else is having this problem, so it could be unique to this computer for some reason.

Anyway, I appreciate your willingness to help as always!

Tom Behler


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 10:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Hi, Tom. There is a program called Silenzio which is supposed to keep the sound card from going to sleep.

Try downloading it from the following link.

Download Silenzio here<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stefankiss.sk%2Fmodules.php%3Fname%3DDownloads%26d_op%3Dgetit%26lid%3D112&data=02%7C01%7Cpamela.a.ekstrand.-nd%40disney.com%7C3a93b01f7f724dacc4ab08d661e9fe42%7C56b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e913c6%7C1%7C0%7C636804054958362831&sdata=ap6rEhZTNWYLhwGO5LCWEwYCg79S%2Ftl1jBJT8zOQbQA%3D&reserved=0>

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com<mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Bill:

It happens with Narrator too.

I’m not sure what to do from here.

Tom Behler


From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 8:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Hi, Tom. Try turning on Narrator, and see if you get the same delay through Narrator. If so, you might have one of the sound cards which go to sleep frequently, and need to be awoken by key presses.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com<mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 5:01 PM
To: jfw list
Subject: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Hello, everyone.

As some of you may remember, I’m continuing to set up a new Dell Windows 10 computer with Jaws.

The computer has an Intel I7 processor, 16 gigabytes of ram, a 12 gigabyte solid-state drive, and a 1 terabyte mechanical hard drive.

I mention this right from the start, because this computer should have plenty of horse power to work well with Jaws.

I have noticed that, when typing something, after I stop using the computer for 30 seconds or so, I do not get Jaws feedback until I press at least four or five keys. In other words, there’s a considerable delay until Jaws starts speaking again.

I am thinking this is a Jaws issue, but am not totally sure.

I’m currently using Jaws 2018, and plan to upgrade to Jaws 2019 soon, although I’m a bit hesitant to do so right now because of other known problems with Jaws 2019 and MS Word.

Are there some settings I should look at to try to address this issue?

Thanks as always!

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


Re: Saving an pdf file

 

On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Kendra Schafer wrote:
Are image PDFs the ones that are still not accessible to screen readers?
Left un-OCRed after the fact, yes.  But who does that anymore?  The minute you have a PDF that says nothing but "blank" (or similar) OCR-ing it by the method of your choice should be Job One.

The result from doing so can vary between "instantly fully accessible" and "I'm no better off than when I started."   When it's leaning far more toward the latter it's generally because the source material, even if an image of text, is just really poor to begin with or you have something that's actually mostly images (as in pictures) to begin with.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Tom. It’s not a Microsoft problem. It’s a problem with the particular sound card which is built into the computer you purchased. Because of this, workarounds are necessary. Microsoft can’t do anything about it, because the computer manufacturer built this behavior into the computer, supposedly to save power. They forget that sometimes it is necessary for the sound card to remain active at all times.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 5:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

 

Bill:

 

Thanks for this info and for the link.

 

I may actually do this, but it kind of bothers me that it should even be necessary.

 

It would seem that it’s a Microsoft problem that they should be addressing.

 

Of course, I don’t know if anyone else is having this problem, so it could be unique to this computer for some reason.

 

Anyway, I appreciate your willingness to help as always!

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 10:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

 

Hi, Tom. There is a program called Silenzio which is supposed to keep the sound card from going to sleep.

 

Try downloading it from the following link.

 

Download Silenzio here

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

 

Bill:

 

It happens with Narrator too.

 

I’m not sure what to do from here.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 8:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

 

Hi, Tom. Try turning on Narrator, and see if you get the same delay through Narrator. If so, you might have one of the sound cards which go to sleep frequently, and need to be awoken by key presses.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 5:01 PM
To: jfw list
Subject: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

 

Hello, everyone.

 

As some of you may remember, I’m continuing to set up a new Dell Windows 10 computer with Jaws.

 

The computer has an Intel I7 processor, 16 gigabytes of ram, a 12 gigabyte solid-state drive, and a 1 terabyte mechanical hard drive.

 

I mention this right from the start, because this computer should have plenty of horse power to work well with Jaws.

 

I have noticed that, when typing something, after I stop using the computer for 30 seconds or so, I do not get Jaws feedback until I press at least four or five keys.  In other words, there’s a considerable delay until Jaws starts speaking again.

 

I am thinking this is a Jaws issue, but am not totally sure.

 

I’m currently using Jaws 2018, and plan to upgrade to Jaws 2019 soon, although I’m a bit hesitant to do so right now because of other known problems with Jaws 2019 and MS Word.

 

Are there some settings I should look at to try to address this issue?

 

Thanks as always!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 


Re: Saving an pdf file

Dan Longmore
 

Hi,

  Not like they used to be.  With JAWS OCR you can have JAWS display any text in the viewer and then copy the text to any word processor for editing.  So while you won’t know the image you can get the text.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kendra Schafer
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 12:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Saving an pdf file

 

Hi all!

 Are image PDFs the ones that are still not accessible to screen readers?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 8:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Saving an pdf file

 

On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 04:46 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:

As an aside if you use Office 365 or Word 2016 you can open a pdf file directly in Word.  Most formatting is intact and you can then edit. 

And as a follow-on to this observation, and tying it in with the topic about OCR and JPG [which applies equally to image PDFs], you can use this as a way to determine if a file is an image PDF versus one that was created as a text PDF.  You won't be able to edit image PDFs and you'll find that they show up as a sequence of multiple pictures in the converted result (typically without any alternate text as this was not supported way back when, and many of these were scanned years ago, and it's still not a part of image scanned PDFs most of the time even now).
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Saving an pdf file

Kendra Schafer <redwing731@...>
 

Hi all!

 Are image PDFs the ones that are still not accessible to screen readers?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 8:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Saving an pdf file

 

On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 04:46 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:

As an aside if you use Office 365 or Word 2016 you can open a pdf file directly in Word.  Most formatting is intact and you can then edit. 

And as a follow-on to this observation, and tying it in with the topic about OCR and JPG [which applies equally to image PDFs], you can use this as a way to determine if a file is an image PDF versus one that was created as a text PDF.  You won't be able to edit image PDFs and you'll find that they show up as a sequence of multiple pictures in the converted result (typically without any alternate text as this was not supported way back when, and many of these were scanned years ago, and it's still not a part of image scanned PDFs most of the time even now).
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Any list for blind Alesa and Google Home voice controlled devices

 

Hi Brian,

 

I have no problem with this and in fact prefer to subscribe to a few rather specific groups with hopefully not too much traffic where I know I find people who have and know the technology in question than to subscribe to a very generic list where you ask a question and get 5 replies from people who tell you that they don't actually own, say an Alexa, but they read this or that and etc.

My time is limited and I don't like generic groups where I get a ton of messages each day and half or more are not relevant to me.

I think this is one of these situations where we are dealing with the internet where everything exists and you pick what works for you.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 11:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Any list for blind Alesa and Google Home voice controlled devices

 

Now I'll put myself out there for flogging, but I really don't understand why there is this tendency in the blind/low-vision community to do two things:

  1. Split each and every blessed technology into separate groups.
  2. Avoid non-blind-specific groups for things like Google Home and Amazon Echo, where nothing, including setup, is specific to blind users.


In any case, there is the Blind Technology group, which allows discussion of virtually any technology you can name with an emphasis on use of same by blind individuals.  All pertinent details will be sent in response to e-mailing:   blindtech+help@groups.io
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Saving an pdf file

 

On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 04:46 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:
As an aside if you use Office 365 or Word 2016 you can open a pdf file directly in Word.  Most formatting is intact and you can then edit. 
And as a follow-on to this observation, and tying it in with the topic about OCR and JPG [which applies equally to image PDFs], you can use this as a way to determine if a file is an image PDF versus one that was created as a text PDF.  You won't be able to edit image PDFs and you'll find that they show up as a sequence of multiple pictures in the converted result (typically without any alternate text as this was not supported way back when, and many of these were scanned years ago, and it's still not a part of image scanned PDFs most of the time even now).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Application-Specific Settings

Steve Matzura
 

I can't believe I've forgotten how to do this. How is JAWS set to speak at a different rate for a specific application? I can of course create a new application profile, and everything is in there except speaking rate. Where is that set?


Thanks in advance.


Re: OCR and JPG files

 

On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 09:44 PM, Flor Lynch wrote:
Many sighted people genuinely don't know the difference between photo-text and 'real' text (as we may call it), unless it is explained to them.
And many don't really get it even after it's explained to them.   Sometimes a demo from a screen reader user who's got an image scanned PDF that's an image of a book or article or similar versus a PDF that is actually text-based can get the point across.

I like the explanation given here that an image PDF (or just a plain image JPG) of text is a photograph of information in writing while an actual text file can be manipulated by editing software directly.  If someone's got Adobe Acrobat proper, not just reader, you can get the point across by having them open an image PDF and try to edit it.  That drives the point home really quickly.

I've worked on multiple occasions with graduate students who are getting reading assignments in PDF format, but often in image scanned PDF format, I have had to teach them how to OCR them outside the screen reader for the sake of long term convenience.  I've also tried to teach them how to teach their instructors about the importance of actually OCR scanning these files and saving the resulting text layer in them so that blind students in the future won't hit this barrier.  It's so simple to do in most cases and once it's done you just use that OCRed version of the file going forward.  In the case of documents like the legal one I described above, someone sighted can print it out, trim off or fold away the template part that is not really actual content, then scan it using OCR when doing so.  If they want to keep the original numbered version for "sighted reference" and the specially prepared version for screen reader users it's simple to do so.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: OCR and JPG files

 

On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 07:27 AM, Kendra Schafer wrote:
I need to be ale to convert PDFs into something that's accessible.
Which can vary between dirt simple and well-nigh impossible depending on the nature of the source image PDF (photo text - more commonly known as an image PDF in the PDF world) itself.

If it's something like a straight business letter, newspaper article, or the like OCR processing these days generally goes without a hitch.  If, however, it's something like a court document where the actual body text in the original is entered in conjunction with a template containing line numbers down each side of the text then it becomes very ugly indeed as OCR software will think those line numbers are part of the text itself.  Their actual purpose is just to sit there as a place identification aid if two people are talking about the same document over the phone and you need to get someone to the same page and same line on the page very quickly.

I posted the following on the NVDA group quite a while back, but the information is still entirely applicable:  Free & Good OCR Software for Image Scanned PDFs
Even though PDF-XChange Viewer has been discontinued, it is still available for download and works splendidly for the purpose of OCRing image PDFs and saving the resulting text layer permanently, so it's there if you will be revisiting the same files repeatedly.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore