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Re: Saving an pdf file

Dan Longmore
 

Hi,

  Not like they used to be.  With JAWS OCR you can have JAWS display any text in the viewer and then copy the text to any word processor for editing.  So while you won’t know the image you can get the text.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kendra Schafer
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 12:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Saving an pdf file

 

Hi all!

 Are image PDFs the ones that are still not accessible to screen readers?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 8:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Saving an pdf file

 

On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 04:46 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:

As an aside if you use Office 365 or Word 2016 you can open a pdf file directly in Word.  Most formatting is intact and you can then edit. 

And as a follow-on to this observation, and tying it in with the topic about OCR and JPG [which applies equally to image PDFs], you can use this as a way to determine if a file is an image PDF versus one that was created as a text PDF.  You won't be able to edit image PDFs and you'll find that they show up as a sequence of multiple pictures in the converted result (typically without any alternate text as this was not supported way back when, and many of these were scanned years ago, and it's still not a part of image scanned PDFs most of the time even now).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Saving an pdf file

Kendra Schafer <redwing731@...>
 

Hi all!

 Are image PDFs the ones that are still not accessible to screen readers?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 8:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Saving an pdf file

 

On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 04:46 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:

As an aside if you use Office 365 or Word 2016 you can open a pdf file directly in Word.  Most formatting is intact and you can then edit. 

And as a follow-on to this observation, and tying it in with the topic about OCR and JPG [which applies equally to image PDFs], you can use this as a way to determine if a file is an image PDF versus one that was created as a text PDF.  You won't be able to edit image PDFs and you'll find that they show up as a sequence of multiple pictures in the converted result (typically without any alternate text as this was not supported way back when, and many of these were scanned years ago, and it's still not a part of image scanned PDFs most of the time even now).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Any list for blind Alesa and Google Home voice controlled devices

 

Hi Brian,

 

I have no problem with this and in fact prefer to subscribe to a few rather specific groups with hopefully not too much traffic where I know I find people who have and know the technology in question than to subscribe to a very generic list where you ask a question and get 5 replies from people who tell you that they don't actually own, say an Alexa, but they read this or that and etc.

My time is limited and I don't like generic groups where I get a ton of messages each day and half or more are not relevant to me.

I think this is one of these situations where we are dealing with the internet where everything exists and you pick what works for you.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 11:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Any list for blind Alesa and Google Home voice controlled devices

 

Now I'll put myself out there for flogging, but I really don't understand why there is this tendency in the blind/low-vision community to do two things:

  1. Split each and every blessed technology into separate groups.
  2. Avoid non-blind-specific groups for things like Google Home and Amazon Echo, where nothing, including setup, is specific to blind users.


In any case, there is the Blind Technology group, which allows discussion of virtually any technology you can name with an emphasis on use of same by blind individuals.  All pertinent details will be sent in response to e-mailing:   blindtech+help@groups.io
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Saving an pdf file

 

On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 04:46 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:
As an aside if you use Office 365 or Word 2016 you can open a pdf file directly in Word.  Most formatting is intact and you can then edit. 
And as a follow-on to this observation, and tying it in with the topic about OCR and JPG [which applies equally to image PDFs], you can use this as a way to determine if a file is an image PDF versus one that was created as a text PDF.  You won't be able to edit image PDFs and you'll find that they show up as a sequence of multiple pictures in the converted result (typically without any alternate text as this was not supported way back when, and many of these were scanned years ago, and it's still not a part of image scanned PDFs most of the time even now).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Application-Specific Settings

Steve Matzura
 

I can't believe I've forgotten how to do this. How is JAWS set to speak at a different rate for a specific application? I can of course create a new application profile, and everything is in there except speaking rate. Where is that set?


Thanks in advance.


Re: OCR and JPG files

 

On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 09:44 PM, Flor Lynch wrote:
Many sighted people genuinely don't know the difference between photo-text and 'real' text (as we may call it), unless it is explained to them.
And many don't really get it even after it's explained to them.   Sometimes a demo from a screen reader user who's got an image scanned PDF that's an image of a book or article or similar versus a PDF that is actually text-based can get the point across.

I like the explanation given here that an image PDF (or just a plain image JPG) of text is a photograph of information in writing while an actual text file can be manipulated by editing software directly.  If someone's got Adobe Acrobat proper, not just reader, you can get the point across by having them open an image PDF and try to edit it.  That drives the point home really quickly.

I've worked on multiple occasions with graduate students who are getting reading assignments in PDF format, but often in image scanned PDF format, I have had to teach them how to OCR them outside the screen reader for the sake of long term convenience.  I've also tried to teach them how to teach their instructors about the importance of actually OCR scanning these files and saving the resulting text layer in them so that blind students in the future won't hit this barrier.  It's so simple to do in most cases and once it's done you just use that OCRed version of the file going forward.  In the case of documents like the legal one I described above, someone sighted can print it out, trim off or fold away the template part that is not really actual content, then scan it using OCR when doing so.  If they want to keep the original numbered version for "sighted reference" and the specially prepared version for screen reader users it's simple to do so.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: OCR and JPG files

 

On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 07:27 AM, Kendra Schafer wrote:
I need to be ale to convert PDFs into something that's accessible.
Which can vary between dirt simple and well-nigh impossible depending on the nature of the source image PDF (photo text - more commonly known as an image PDF in the PDF world) itself.

If it's something like a straight business letter, newspaper article, or the like OCR processing these days generally goes without a hitch.  If, however, it's something like a court document where the actual body text in the original is entered in conjunction with a template containing line numbers down each side of the text then it becomes very ugly indeed as OCR software will think those line numbers are part of the text itself.  Their actual purpose is just to sit there as a place identification aid if two people are talking about the same document over the phone and you need to get someone to the same page and same line on the page very quickly.

I posted the following on the NVDA group quite a while back, but the information is still entirely applicable:  Free & Good OCR Software for Image Scanned PDFs
Even though PDF-XChange Viewer has been discontinued, it is still available for download and works splendidly for the purpose of OCRing image PDFs and saving the resulting text layer permanently, so it's there if you will be revisiting the same files repeatedly.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Chris Hill
 

The other option is to dig through the sound card's drivers in device manager to see if there is an option to turn off the power saving.  It could also be something in the advanced settings.   power section of control panel I don't think it has a thing to do with microsoft, it is a sound driver issue and those were likely written by the manufacturer of the sound chip.  I have a set of usb speakers that have this feature built in, therefore I don't use them as intended.




On 12/14/2018 07:58, Tom Behler wrote:

Bill:

 

Thanks for this info and for the link.

 

I may actually do this, but it kind of bothers me that it should even be necessary.

 

It would seem that it’s a Microsoft problem that they should be addressing.

 

Of course, I don’t know if anyone else is having this problem, so it could be unique to this computer for some reason.

 

Anyway, I appreciate your willingness to help as always!

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 10:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

 

Hi, Tom. There is a program called Silenzio which is supposed to keep the sound card from going to sleep.

 

Try downloading it from the following link.

 

Download Silenzio here

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

 

Bill:

 

It happens with Narrator too.

 

I’m not sure what to do from here.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 8:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

 

Hi, Tom. Try turning on Narrator, and see if you get the same delay through Narrator. If so, you might have one of the sound cards which go to sleep frequently, and need to be awoken by key presses.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 5:01 PM
To: jfw list
Subject: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

 

Hello, everyone.

 

As some of you may remember, I’m continuing to set up a new Dell Windows 10 computer with Jaws.

 

The computer has an Intel I7 processor, 16 gigabytes of ram, a 12 gigabyte solid-state drive, and a 1 terabyte mechanical hard drive.

 

I mention this right from the start, because this computer should have plenty of horse power to work well with Jaws.

 

I have noticed that, when typing something, after I stop using the computer for 30 seconds or so, I do not get Jaws feedback until I press at least four or five keys.  In other words, there’s a considerable delay until Jaws starts speaking again.

 

I am thinking this is a Jaws issue, but am not totally sure.

 

I’m currently using Jaws 2018, and plan to upgrade to Jaws 2019 soon, although I’m a bit hesitant to do so right now because of other known problems with Jaws 2019 and MS Word.

 

Are there some settings I should look at to try to address this issue?

 

Thanks as always!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 


shot in the dark "smile"

Nino Dagostino
 

Good morning:

 

I am not sure if any one can help.

 

Somebody posted a program I think to use for creating programs.

 

I am looking for advice the best accessibil tools to use to learn to program.

 

Thank you.

 


Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Tom Behler
 

Bill:

 

Thanks for this info and for the link.

 

I may actually do this, but it kind of bothers me that it should even be necessary.

 

It would seem that it’s a Microsoft problem that they should be addressing.

 

Of course, I don’t know if anyone else is having this problem, so it could be unique to this computer for some reason.

 

Anyway, I appreciate your willingness to help as always!

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 10:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

 

Hi, Tom. There is a program called Silenzio which is supposed to keep the sound card from going to sleep.

 

Try downloading it from the following link.

 

Download Silenzio here

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

 

Bill:

 

It happens with Narrator too.

 

I’m not sure what to do from here.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 8:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

 

Hi, Tom. Try turning on Narrator, and see if you get the same delay through Narrator. If so, you might have one of the sound cards which go to sleep frequently, and need to be awoken by key presses.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 5:01 PM
To: jfw list
Subject: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

 

Hello, everyone.

 

As some of you may remember, I’m continuing to set up a new Dell Windows 10 computer with Jaws.

 

The computer has an Intel I7 processor, 16 gigabytes of ram, a 12 gigabyte solid-state drive, and a 1 terabyte mechanical hard drive.

 

I mention this right from the start, because this computer should have plenty of horse power to work well with Jaws.

 

I have noticed that, when typing something, after I stop using the computer for 30 seconds or so, I do not get Jaws feedback until I press at least four or five keys.  In other words, there’s a considerable delay until Jaws starts speaking again.

 

I am thinking this is a Jaws issue, but am not totally sure.

 

I’m currently using Jaws 2018, and plan to upgrade to Jaws 2019 soon, although I’m a bit hesitant to do so right now because of other known problems with Jaws 2019 and MS Word.

 

Are there some settings I should look at to try to address this issue?

 

Thanks as always!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 


Re: OCR and JPG files

Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

Real text can be edited, in a text editor. Or a word processor, if the
format is something like .docx or .rtf. A picture or photo of text displays
the text perfectly, but the text cannot be manipulated at all, just viewed.
And of course without taking some action, a screen reader cannot read a
picture of text.

Thought-provoking reading: http://bahaiteachings.org

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kendra Schafer
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 12:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OCR and JPG files

Hi all!
What is the difference between (real) text and (photo) text? I need to know
so that I can explain it myself. I have to deal with this sort of garbage
myself in my own technical work and I need to be ale to convert PDFs into
something that's accessible.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Flor Lynch
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 6:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OCR and JPG files

Many sighted people genuinely don't know the difference between photo-text
and 'real' text (as we may call it), unless it is explained to them.

.JPG files can vary quite a bit in resolution, which would affect the
quality of the text (if any) gleaned from converted OCR.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 10:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OCR and JPG files

They are only images, yes. But sometimes they are images of text. Why
anybody would do that is beyond me, unless of course someone took a picture
of--for example--a label and wanted to send it to someone else.
At 03:29 PM 12/13/2018, you wrote:
Hi I was always under the impression that jpg files were only photos am
I wrong? From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Doering
Sent: December 13, 2018 4:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OCR and JPG files

After hitting the applications key, I am not finding a recognize with
JAWS choice.

Regards,




John Doering
Administrative Pricing Asst

p. 4147783040 Extn:4063 t. 800-642-8778

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann
Byrne
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 2:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OCR and JPG files

I have had good experience with this. Following Don's suggestion,
without opening the file press the applications key and arrow to
"recognize with JAWS" or just type the letter J. For me, it worked like a
charm!
At 02:41 PM 12/13/2018, you wrote:
Hello:
Can the JAWS OCR convert a JPG file and if so, what is the key strokes?

Thanks in advance,




John Doering

Administrative Pricing Asst

p. 4147783040 Extn:4063 t. 800-642-8778



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Re: OCR and JPG files

Tony Schnurr
 

Kendra,
When people refer to real text they are talking about actual ASCII based text which is the kind of text that was entered in a word document or some other editor.
Though this kind of text can have font and other attributes associated with it; you can navigate and read it with jaws because they are discrete elements.
When folks talk about picture text. They are referring to text that is literally just a picture of the text. The letters in that picture are simply objects just like any other object in a picture. The only way a blind person can read those would be to use OCR to do recognition on that picture. The caveat being OCR does not always render exact format, however you would usually get enough of the text to be able to glean something out of it. The reason we encounter these pictures of text, is due to many folks finding it easy to simply use a scanner to scan an image of a document into a PDF file.
Hope this explanation helps.
Regards
Tony

On Dec 14, 2018, at 00:32, Kendra Schafer <redwing731@...> wrote:

Hi all!
What is the difference between (real) text and (photo) text? I need to know
so that I can explain it myself. I have to deal with this sort of garbage
myself in my own technical work and I need to be ale to convert PDFs into
something that's accessible.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Flor Lynch
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 6:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OCR and JPG files

Many sighted people genuinely don't know the difference between photo-text
and 'real' text (as we may call it), unless it is explained to them.

.JPG files can vary quite a bit in resolution, which would affect the
quality of the text (if any) gleaned from converted OCR.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 10:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OCR and JPG files

They are only images, yes. But sometimes they are images of text. Why
anybody would do that is beyond me, unless of course someone took a picture
of--for example--a label and wanted to send it to someone else.
At 03:29 PM 12/13/2018, you wrote:
Hi I was always under the impression that jpg files were only photos am
I wrong? From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Doering
Sent: December 13, 2018 4:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OCR and JPG files

After hitting the applications key, I am not finding a recognize with
JAWS choice.

Regards,




John Doering
Administrative Pricing Asst

p. 4147783040 Extn:4063 t. 800-642-8778

NOTICE: The information contained in this email and any document
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann
Byrne
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 2:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OCR and JPG files

I have had good experience with this. Following Don's suggestion,
without opening the file press the applications key and arrow to
"recognize with JAWS" or just type the letter J. For me, it worked like a
charm!
At 02:41 PM 12/13/2018, you wrote:
Hello:
Can the JAWS OCR convert a JPG file and if so, what is the key strokes?

Thanks in advance,




John Doering

Administrative Pricing Asst

p. 4147783040 Extn:4063 t. 800-642-8778



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Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Kendra Schafer <redwing731@...>
 

Hi all!

 Have you tried it with JAWS or NVDA?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

 

Bill:

 

It happens with Narrator too.

 

I’m not sure what to do from here.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 8:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

 

Hi, Tom. Try turning on Narrator, and see if you get the same delay through Narrator. If so, you might have one of the sound cards which go to sleep frequently, and need to be awoken by key presses.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 5:01 PM
To: jfw list
Subject: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

 

Hello, everyone.

 

As some of you may remember, I’m continuing to set up a new Dell Windows 10 computer with Jaws.

 

The computer has an Intel I7 processor, 16 gigabytes of ram, a 12 gigabyte solid-state drive, and a 1 terabyte mechanical hard drive.

 

I mention this right from the start, because this computer should have plenty of horse power to work well with Jaws.

 

I have noticed that, when typing something, after I stop using the computer for 30 seconds or so, I do not get Jaws feedback until I press at least four or five keys.  In other words, there’s a considerable delay until Jaws starts speaking again.

 

I am thinking this is a Jaws issue, but am not totally sure.

 

I’m currently using Jaws 2018, and plan to upgrade to Jaws 2019 soon, although I’m a bit hesitant to do so right now because of other known problems with Jaws 2019 and MS Word.

 

Are there some settings I should look at to try to address this issue?

 

Thanks as always!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 


Re: OCR and JPG files

Kendra Schafer <redwing731@...>
 

Hi all!
What is the difference between (real) text and (photo) text? I need to know
so that I can explain it myself. I have to deal with this sort of garbage
myself in my own technical work and I need to be ale to convert PDFs into
something that's accessible.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Flor Lynch
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 6:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OCR and JPG files

Many sighted people genuinely don't know the difference between photo-text
and 'real' text (as we may call it), unless it is explained to them.

.JPG files can vary quite a bit in resolution, which would affect the
quality of the text (if any) gleaned from converted OCR.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 10:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OCR and JPG files

They are only images, yes. But sometimes they are images of text. Why
anybody would do that is beyond me, unless of course someone took a picture
of--for example--a label and wanted to send it to someone else.
At 03:29 PM 12/13/2018, you wrote:
Hi I was always under the impression that jpg files were only photos am
I wrong? From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Doering
Sent: December 13, 2018 4:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OCR and JPG files

After hitting the applications key, I am not finding a recognize with
JAWS choice.

Regards,




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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann
Byrne
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 2:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OCR and JPG files

I have had good experience with this. Following Don's suggestion,
without opening the file press the applications key and arrow to
"recognize with JAWS" or just type the letter J. For me, it worked like a
charm!
At 02:41 PM 12/13/2018, you wrote:
Hello:
Can the JAWS OCR convert a JPG file and if so, what is the key strokes?

Thanks in advance,




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Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Kendra Schafer <redwing731@...>
 

Hi all!

 I would try installing NVDA because it’s a free screen reader and it’s actually better than Windows Narader. Since you are trying to install JAWS, I would totally install NVDA first so that you have a relayable screen reader. Of course, that’s not counting any sound card problems.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 5:01 PM
To: jfw list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

 

Hello, everyone.

 

As some of you may remember, I’m continuing to set up a new Dell Windows 10 computer with Jaws.

 

The computer has an Intel I7 processor, 16 gigabytes of ram, a 12 gigabyte solid-state drive, and a 1 terabyte mechanical hard drive.

 

I mention this right from the start, because this computer should have plenty of horse power to work well with Jaws.

 

I have noticed that, when typing something, after I stop using the computer for 30 seconds or so, I do not get Jaws feedback until I press at least four or five keys.  In other words, there’s a considerable delay until Jaws starts speaking again.

 

I am thinking this is a Jaws issue, but am not totally sure.

 

I’m currently using Jaws 2018, and plan to upgrade to Jaws 2019 soon, although I’m a bit hesitant to do so right now because of other known problems with Jaws 2019 and MS Word.

 

Are there some settings I should look at to try to address this issue?

 

Thanks as always!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 


Re: Cannot Read Scan History

Bill White
 

Hi, Rick. The first thing you should try is:

 

After pressing ENTER, press JAWS key plus ESCAPE to refresh the screen. See if this brings the scan History into view.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick Miller
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 10:13 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Cannot Read Scan History

 

Dear Listers:

 

I have just recently updated Windows 10, and have also updated Windows Defender, my antiviral program.  When I try to examine the scan history, JAWS will not work.  When I get to the Windows Defender Scan Center, I hit the enter key when I hear Viral Protection.  As soon as I do, JAWS says “Link, Scan History.”  When I hit the enter key, nothing seems to happen.  If any of you use Windows Defender, can you tell me what to do to resolve this?  By the way, I am using JAWS 2019.

 

 

 

Rick Miller

 


Cannot Read Scan History

Rick Miller
 

Dear Listers:

 

I have just recently updated Windows 10, and have also updated Windows Defender, my antiviral program.  When I try to examine the scan history, JAWS will not work.  When I get to the Windows Defender Scan Center, I hit the enter key when I hear Viral Protection.  As soon as I do, JAWS says “Link, Scan History.”  When I hit the enter key, nothing seems to happen.  If any of you use Windows Defender, can you tell me what to do to resolve this?  By the way, I am using JAWS 2019.

 

 

 

Rick Miller

 


Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

Bill White
 

Hi, Tom. There is a program called Silenzio which is supposed to keep the sound card from going to sleep.

 

Try downloading it from the following link.

 

Download Silenzio here

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

 

Bill:

 

It happens with Narrator too.

 

I’m not sure what to do from here.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 8:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

 

Hi, Tom. Try turning on Narrator, and see if you get the same delay through Narrator. If so, you might have one of the sound cards which go to sleep frequently, and need to be awoken by key presses.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 5:01 PM
To: jfw list
Subject: Speaking ProblemWith New Windows 10 Computer

 

Hello, everyone.

 

As some of you may remember, I’m continuing to set up a new Dell Windows 10 computer with Jaws.

 

The computer has an Intel I7 processor, 16 gigabytes of ram, a 12 gigabyte solid-state drive, and a 1 terabyte mechanical hard drive.

 

I mention this right from the start, because this computer should have plenty of horse power to work well with Jaws.

 

I have noticed that, when typing something, after I stop using the computer for 30 seconds or so, I do not get Jaws feedback until I press at least four or five keys.  In other words, there’s a considerable delay until Jaws starts speaking again.

 

I am thinking this is a Jaws issue, but am not totally sure.

 

I’m currently using Jaws 2018, and plan to upgrade to Jaws 2019 soon, although I’m a bit hesitant to do so right now because of other known problems with Jaws 2019 and MS Word.

 

Are there some settings I should look at to try to address this issue?

 

Thanks as always!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 


Re: OCR and JPG files

Flor Lynch
 

Many sighted people genuinely don't know the difference between photo-text and 'real' text (as we may call it), unless it is explained to them.

.JPG files can vary quite a bit in resolution, which would affect the quality of the text (if any) gleaned from converted OCR.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 10:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OCR and JPG files

They are only images, yes. But sometimes they are images of
text. Why anybody would do that is beyond me, unless of course
someone took a picture of--for example--a label and wanted to send it
to someone else.
At 03:29 PM 12/13/2018, you wrote:
Hi I was always under the impression that jpg files were only photos am I wrong? From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Doering
Sent: December 13, 2018 4:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OCR and JPG files

After hitting the applications key, I am not finding a recognize with JAWS choice.

Regards,




John Doering
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 2:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OCR and JPG files

I have had good experience with this. Following Don's suggestion, without opening the file press the applications key and arrow to "recognize with JAWS" or just type the letter J. For me, it worked like a charm!
At 02:41 PM 12/13/2018, you wrote:
Hello:
Can the JAWS OCR convert a JPG file and if so, what is the key strokes?

Thanks in advance,




John Doering

Administrative Pricing Asst

p. 4147783040 Extn:4063 t. 800-642-8778



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Re: OCR and JPG files

Milton Ota <mota1252@...>
 

If you are sure that a jpg file has text, you can OCR it with the onboard OCR in JAWS.

Using the application key and highlighting the jpg file, press the letter j and it should work.