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Re: JAWS and iCloud #advisory

Marty Hutchings
 

Debby,  I turned on the touch curser with Shift+PC Curser, but I guess that I don’t understand what the use is for the Touch Curser, because I did not hear anything except some funny little bumping sounds.  I could not get the PC Curser to come back on by just pressing the PC Curser key twice as instructed.  I got the PC Curser back by pressing the JAWS Curser key twice and I heard the Invisible Curser come on and then I pressed the PC Curser key once and got my PC Curser back.  This was after some other experamenting with key combinations and a bit of anxiety until I got it back.
 
Love in Christ
Marty
 

From: Debby Hill
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS and iCloud #advisory #advisory
 
Hi Mike,
 
To start using the touch cursor it is shift plus pc-cursor. To turn it off it is pc-cursor twice.
 
Debby



On Dec 4, 2018, at 6:16 AM, Mike Ulrich <mulrich@...> wrote:

Good morning all,

Could someone please refresh my memory; how would I activate the touch cursor?

Running J 18, W7

 

Michael D. Ulrich

Just an ordinary average blind guy!

“Providing Insight for Blindness”

Florida Council of the Blind

Fundraising Committee Member

Home Phone: 239-540-7431

Cell phone: 239-565-5845

Email: mulrich@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 5:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and iCloud #advisory #advisory

 

in later versions, it is only accessible if you are using the torch cursor which is only available in windows 10 I believe. Our use it all the time and once I learned this it was fine but without the touch cursor it is totally inaccessible


On Dec 3, 2018, at 11:52 PM, Marty Hutchings <mhutchings@...> wrote:

I am running JAWS 18 with Windows 7.  When I installed iTunes, iCloud also installed.  I didn't think much of it as I was not planning to use it, but it always wants to update and I finally decided to investigate it and found that it is not accessible using JAWS.  My question is, Why?  iTunes seems to be accessible.  Am I missing something here?


Re: Accessible PDF Converter Apps:

Sharon
 

QRead will save your pdfs in other formats and can be used with Jaws on a computer.

Sharon

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kendra Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 10:20 AM
To: J. F. W. <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Accessible PDF Converter Apps:

 

 

Hi all!

I’m trying to hunt for a good PDF Converter app for my Iphone SE with Voice Over, or a P.C. Dell with JAWS and NVDA on it. I need one for both college and for my climatology group, 350.Org to make their paperwork more accessible to screen reader users. Does anyone know of any good PDF converters that are accessible to screen readers?

 

Thank you for taking the time to read this E Mail! 

Blessed be!!! 

Kendra Schaber, 

 Chemeketa Community College, 

 350 Org, 

Citizen’s Climate Lobby,    

National Federation of the Blind of Oregon,  

Capitol Chapter, 

Salem, Oregon. 

 Home email: 

 Chemeketa Community College Email: 

Phone: 

971-599-9991 

"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear" Author Unknown. 

 Sent From My iPhone SE. 

 Sent from My Gmail Email. 

 Get Outlook Express for IOS.    

 


Re: other JFW lists?

Gerald Levy
 


The other JAWS list you are referring to is probably the JAWS Users list.  To subscribe, visit the following page and provide your email address:


http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


Gerald



On 12/4/2018 10:35 AM, Dean Martineau wrote:

I believe I’ve seen reference to another large JFW list, but a bit of research did not reveal it.  Please inform.

 

 

Thought-provoking reading: http://bahaiteachings.org

 


Re: Accessible PDF Converter Apps:

Angie Goodnight <agoodnight@...>
 

I have Adobe Pro and it converts them great!

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kendra Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 10:20 AM
To: J. F. W. <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Accessible PDF Converter Apps:

 

 

Hi all!

I’m trying to hunt for a good PDF Converter app for my Iphone SE with Voice Over, or a P.C. Dell with JAWS and NVDA on it. I need one for both college and for my climatology group, 350.Org to make their paperwork more accessible to screen reader users. Does anyone know of any good PDF converters that are accessible to screen readers?

 

Thank you for taking the time to read this E Mail! 

Blessed be!!! 

Kendra Schaber, 

 Chemeketa Community College, 

 350 Org, 

Citizen’s Climate Lobby,    

National Federation of the Blind of Oregon,  

Capitol Chapter, 

Salem, Oregon. 

 Home email: 

 Chemeketa Community College Email: 

 Kschaber@...  

Phone: 

971-599-9991 

"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear" Author Unknown. 

 Sent From My iPhone SE. 

 Sent from My Gmail Email. 

 Get Outlook Express for IOS.    

 


Re: other JFW lists?

 

https://groups.io/search?q=JAWS

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


other JFW lists?

Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

I believe I’ve seen reference to another large JFW list, but a bit of research did not reveal it.  Please inform.

 

 

Thought-provoking reading: http://bahaiteachings.org

 


Jaws 2018 Photos question

O.Addison Gethers
 

Hello All  I have jaws 2018 with desktop computer window 10 !! I’m just curious about this ,Can there a way jaws can read words text on photos? If so ,How can I get jaws to read words text on menu on photos?

Addison

 


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Re: Accessible PDF Converter Apps:

Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

I have found few documents that I cannot convert using JAWS and Adobe Reader.  You can also open the document in Word with the current Office 365.  If the document is only a picture of the text, you can scan using JAWS OCR.  Some people recommend the PDF converter in Chrome. 

 

Thought-provoking reading: http://bahaiteachings.org

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kendra Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 10:20 AM
To: J. F. W. <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Accessible PDF Converter Apps:

 

 

Hi all!

I’m trying to hunt for a good PDF Converter app for my Iphone SE with Voice Over, or a P.C. Dell with JAWS and NVDA on it. I need one for both college and for my climatology group, 350.Org to make their paperwork more accessible to screen reader users. Does anyone know of any good PDF converters that are accessible to screen readers?

 

Thank you for taking the time to read this E Mail! 

Blessed be!!! 

Kendra Schaber, 

 Chemeketa Community College, 

 350 Org, 

Citizen’s Climate Lobby,    

National Federation of the Blind of Oregon,  

Capitol Chapter, 

Salem, Oregon. 

 Home email: 

 Chemeketa Community College Email: 

Phone: 

971-599-9991 

"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear" Author Unknown. 

 Sent From My iPhone SE. 

 Sent from My Gmail Email. 

 Get Outlook Express for IOS.    

 


Accessible PDF Converter Apps:

Kendra Schafer <redwing731@...>
 


Hi all!
I’m trying to hunt for a good PDF Converter app for my Iphone SE with Voice Over, or a P.C. Dell with JAWS and NVDA on it. I need one for both college and for my climatology group, 350.Org to make their paperwork more accessible to screen reader users. Does anyone know of any good PDF converters that are accessible to screen readers?


Thank you for taking the time to read this E Mail! 
Blessed be!!! 
Kendra Schaber, 
 Chemeketa Community College, 
 350 Org, 
Citizen’s Climate Lobby,    
National Federation of the Blind of Oregon,  
Capitol Chapter, 
Salem, Oregon. 
 Home email: 
 Chemeketa Community College Email: 
Phone: 
971-599-9991 
"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear" Author Unknown. 
 Sent From My iPhone SE. 
 Sent from My Gmail Email. 
 Get Outlook Express for IOS.    
 


Re: Help wanted

Nino Dagostino
 

Hi:

I find it easier to use the Google drive app to upload files to Goole and using the Google app you can click on the Google drive app and see all of the files you have in Google drive.

Have a good day.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ibrahim Ajayi
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 6:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Help wanted

Hello:
I have problems which I want you lovely chaps to help me about. It is all about Google drive and dropbox on my computer. I don't understand how they now work.
I downloaded and installed google drive's backup and sync on my computer, but it doesn't open. Again, when I intend to upload my folders and files on to drive using the drive.google.com page, I get to the new button: I hear new button collapsed: when I press space bar on it, I hear expanded, but then I don't find any where that tells me to upload anything.
I even downloaded google chrome data, but when I am using it with drive, it just suddenly disappears, and I hear JAWS professional which means that Google chrome data has disappeared. I tried it several times by relaunching the program, but the same thing happens.
Can anyone please kindly help me about this problem? how can I get around it On the other hand, I have dropbox installed on my computer and mobile phone as well.
The problem I have with dropbox is that I cannot upload folders. I could do this at a time, but some time ago, dropbox updated it's program, and I can no longer find any link to upload folders. I only find links to upload files. I did upload files, but they are very difficult to locate, because they are just to many and they are scattered all over the place. Maybe I don't know where to find the link to upload folders: can anyone help? I infact want to delete the files I have on the program, and upload the folders containing all those files.
Hope to read a response from you lovely chaps.
Regards.


Re: JAWS and iCloud #advisory

Debby Hill
 

Hi Mike,

To start using the touch cursor it is shift plus pc-cursor. To turn it off it is pc-cursor twice. 

Debby
 


On Dec 4, 2018, at 6:16 AM, Mike Ulrich <mulrich@...> wrote:

Good morning all,

Could someone please refresh my memory; how would I activate the touch cursor?

Running J 18, W7

 

Michael D. Ulrich

Just an ordinary average blind guy!

“Providing Insight for Blindness”

Florida Council of the Blind

Fundraising Committee Member

Home Phone: 239-540-7431

Cell phone: 239-565-5845

Email: mulrich@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 5:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and iCloud #advisory #advisory

 

in later versions, it is only accessible if you are using the torch cursor which is only available in windows 10 I believe. Our use it all the time and once I learned this it was fine but without the touch cursor it is totally inaccessible


On Dec 3, 2018, at 11:52 PM, Marty Hutchings <mhutchings@...> wrote:

I am running JAWS 18 with Windows 7.  When I installed iTunes, iCloud also installed.  I didn't think much of it as I was not planning to use it, but it always wants to update and I finally decided to investigate it and found that it is not accessible using JAWS.  My question is, Why?  iTunes seems to be accessible.  Am I missing something here?


Re: JAWS and iCloud #advisory

Mike Ulrich <mulrich@...>
 

Good morning all,

Could someone please refresh my memory; how would I activate the touch cursor?

Running J 18, W7

 

Michael D. Ulrich

Just an ordinary average blind guy!

“Providing Insight for Blindness”

Florida Council of the Blind

Fundraising Committee Member

Home Phone: 239-540-7431

Cell phone: 239-565-5845

Email: mulrich@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 5:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and iCloud #advisory #advisory

 

in later versions, it is only accessible if you are using the torch cursor which is only available in windows 10 I believe. Our use it all the time and once I learned this it was fine but without the touch cursor it is totally inaccessible


On Dec 3, 2018, at 11:52 PM, Marty Hutchings <mhutchings@...> wrote:

I am running JAWS 18 with Windows 7.  When I installed iTunes, iCloud also installed.  I didn't think much of it as I was not planning to use it, but it always wants to update and I finally decided to investigate it and found that it is not accessible using JAWS.  My question is, Why?  iTunes seems to be accessible.  Am I missing something here?


Re: JAWS and iCloud #advisory

Alan Robbins
 

in later versions, it is only accessible if you are using the torch cursor which is only available in windows 10 I believe. Our use it all the time and once I learned this it was fine but without the touch cursor it is totally inaccessible

On Dec 3, 2018, at 11:52 PM, Marty Hutchings <mhutchings@...> wrote:

I am running JAWS 18 with Windows 7.  When I installed iTunes, iCloud also installed.  I didn't think much of it as I was not planning to use it, but it always wants to update and I finally decided to investigate it and found that it is not accessible using JAWS.  My question is, Why?  iTunes seems to be accessible.  Am I missing something here?


Re: JAWS and iCloud #advisory

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Jessica. I have friends who still use Windows 7, and they are using JAWS 2019. If Windows 7 is still compatible with JAWS 2019, then it follows that Windows 8 would be compatible as well.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 8:55 PM
To: Marty Hutchings; main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and iCloud #advisory #advisory

 

Hello,
Our use jaws 2019, and it seems to work well with that. In order to use jaws 2019, you have to have windows 10. I'm not sure, but I think windows eight and 8.1 will also work.

Sent from my Apple Watch


On Dec 3, 2018, at 11:52 PM, Marty Hutchings <mhutchings@...> wrote:

I am running JAWS 18 with Windows 7.  When I installed iTunes, iCloud also installed.  I didn't think much of it as I was not planning to use it, but it always wants to update and I finally decided to investigate it and found that it is not accessible using JAWS.  My question is, Why?  iTunes seems to be accessible.  Am I missing something here?


Re: JAWS and iCloud #advisory

Jessica D <jldail13@...>
 

Hello,
Our use jaws 2019, and it seems to work well with that. In order to use jaws 2019, you have to have windows 10. I'm not sure, but I think windows eight and 8.1 will also work.

Sent from my Apple Watch

On Dec 3, 2018, at 11:52 PM, Marty Hutchings <mhutchings@...> wrote:

I am running JAWS 18 with Windows 7.  When I installed iTunes, iCloud also installed.  I didn't think much of it as I was not planning to use it, but it always wants to update and I finally decided to investigate it and found that it is not accessible using JAWS.  My question is, Why?  iTunes seems to be accessible.  Am I missing something here?


JAWS and iCloud #advisory

Marty Hutchings
 

I am running JAWS 18 with Windows 7.  When I installed iTunes, iCloud also installed.  I didn't think much of it as I was not planning to use it, but it always wants to update and I finally decided to investigate it and found that it is not accessible using JAWS.  My question is, Why?  iTunes seems to be accessible.  Am I missing something here?


Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

Tom <tomcat509@...>
 

Hi Roger,

Using the Jaws repair feature was a failure unfortunately. When it came time to migrate or block previous settings, Jaws would not take 'no' for an answer. I had to minimize the combo box and reboot to get out. This action allowed Jaws to adopt previous settings.

I'll probably uninstall both 2018 and 2019 in a couple of days and so get a clean install of 2019.

Cheers
Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger Newell
Sent: Monday, 3 December 2018 9:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

You could, but reinstalling it is preferable because I am not sure
what exactly the repair checks for.

On 11/30/18, Tom <tomcat509@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot Roger for the very detailed reply which I have read numerous
times in an attempt to understand what to do. Being a fairly recent convert
from Windoweyes, I feel I am out of my depth so will need to read the
instructions a few more times prior to making the plundge.

Yes, the punctuation script is contained in the default.jss file.

Rather than completely remove Jaws 2019 as you advise, what about if I
deleted the default.jss and default.jsb files from the enu folder and ran
the Jaws 2019 setup program which contains a repair feature. Would this
work or create more problems?

Cheers
Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger
Newell
Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2018 4:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

Those instructions are incorrect. You should never modify default.jss
or default.jsb files. There are other ways that Freedom Scientific has
designed for you to create or modify JAWS behavior.

What you need to do is this:

Part A: Check your default.jss and default.jsb file
1. Open Script Manager and press CTRL+SHIFT+D to load the default file.
2. See if your punctuation script is in the file. If it is, keep
following these instructions. If not, skip to Part B.
3. You need to get a clean copy of these files. The way I would
recommend is to completely remove JAWS 2019 from your system. Then
install JAWS 2019 again, but do not migrate any settings because then
you will be back where you started.
4. Check before using JAWS that this folder is completely empty:
C:\Users\[YourUserDirectory]\AppData\Roaming\Freedom
Scientific\JAWS\2019\Settings\enu.

Part B: Adding your punctuation script
1. Open Script Manager.
2. Press CTRL+O to open the Open dialog.
3. Navigate to this location: C:\ProgramData\Freedom
Scientific\JAWS\2019\Scripts.
4. Open the file MyExtensions.jss.
5. Write your script at the bottom of this file, and press CTRL+S to compile
it.


On 11/29/18, Tom <tomcat509@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Following is the punctuation script and where it is available along with
installation instructions.

Maybe it does needs compiling again under Jaws 2019 and so I’ll try that
solution.

Source:
http://www.jaws-users.com/scripts/JAWS/PunctuationLevelScript.html
Follow these steps to insert the code required to set up a hot key to
toggle
the Jaws punctuation level.

press insert 0 (on the number row).
press control shift D
You should hear jaws script manage default.jss.
Hit control+end this will take you to the bottom of the file.
Hit enter twice, to insert a couple of blank lines.
paste in the following lines for the script:

Script TogglePunctuation ()
Say (PunctuationToggle (false), ot_no_disable)
EndScript

Place your cursor on the line that says Say (PunctuationToggle (false),
ot_no_disable).
Hit control+d.
Hit tab this will put you on the "can be attached to key" check box, this
should be checked, if it is not hit "space bar" to check it.
Hit tab this will take you to the "synopsis" where you can put in a short
description if you want.
Tab to the "assign short cut key" field and press the keystroke you want
to
use for the script. Such as Control+Shift+P.
Tab to the okay button and enter. This will take you back to the script
editor.
Press control+S to compile your changes.
Press Alt-F4 to close the script editor

Cheers
Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger
Newell
Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2018 7:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

I haven't heard of this particular script.

Just to verify, is this a third-party script for which you were
provided with the .jsb file? If so, please make sure you can locate
the file in the following location:
C:\Users\[YourUserDirectory]\AppData\Roaming\Freedom
Scientific\JAWS\2019\Settings\enu If you have the .jss and/or .jsh
file, you should probably show it to someone who knows how to read it
to verify that it's not calling on a particular script or function or
something that's been moved around in JAWS 2019.

On 11/28/18, Tom <tomcat509@gmail.com> wrote:
Using: W10 64 bit and Jaws 2019.

Hi

I have experienced a problem with the punctuation script since
upgrading
from Jaws 2018 to 2019.

Under 2018, the script could be run from anywhere on the system but
since
changing to 2019, the only place the script works is when it is run from
the
desktop. If I am in a folder on another drive say, hitting shift
control
P,
Jaws says, "unknown script call to".

If I still wish to change the punctuation level then it is a trip back
to
the Desktop and try again.

Cheers
Tom
















blocking users in outlook and yahoo mail

Marvin Hunkin <neilmarvin@...>
 

Hi. did use the classic yahoo mail, and then blocked the people who are giving me grief, and abusing me, but still keep getting messages. So is there a utility for yahoo mail, classic and also outlook 2016, which will block and then reject any messages via yahoo mail, gmail.

Having some people abuse me.

Marvin.


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Help wanted

Ibrahim Ajayi
 

Hello:
I have problems which I want you lovely chaps to help me about. It is
all about Google drive and dropbox on my computer. I don't understand
how they now work.
I downloaded and installed google drive's backup and sync on my
computer, but it doesn't open. Again, when I intend to upload my
folders and files on to drive using the drive.google.com page, I get
to the new button: I hear new button collapsed: when I press space bar
on it, I hear expanded, but then I don't find any where that tells me
to upload anything.
I even downloaded google chrome data, but when I am using it with
drive, it just suddenly disappears, and I hear JAWS professional which
means that Google chrome data has disappeared. I tried it several
times by relaunching the program, but the same thing happens.
Can anyone please kindly help me about this problem? how can I get around it
On the other hand, I have dropbox installed on my computer and mobile
phone as well.
The problem I have with dropbox is that I cannot upload folders. I
could do this at a time, but some time ago, dropbox updated it's
program, and I can no longer find any link to upload folders. I only
find links to upload files. I did upload files, but they are very
difficult to locate, because they are just to many and they are
scattered all over the place. Maybe I don't know where to find the
link to upload folders: can anyone help? I infact want to delete the
files I have on the program, and upload the folders containing all
those files.
Hope to read a response from you lovely chaps.
Regards.


Re: pros and cons of Office 365

Dan Longmore
 

The bargain is that Office 365 gives you up to 5 separate computers or devices. Also, you can give one or more to a family member or friend and it will not cost them anything. All 5 computers get 1 terabyte of space on "One Drive".
If you use more than one computer or have someone who could use the program but can't do the cost this may be a good way to go. Not for everyone but for multiple people or systems price is good.
Also, "One Drive" is very reliable at least from my setting.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2018 7:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pros and cons of Office 365

Yep, all good points that people should generally be aware of.

I got my copy of Office 2016 for $40.
Oh, and in case all that oneDrive storage is an incentive for you -- be aware too that the service has had a number of reported unexpected outages.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: December 1, 2018 7:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pros and cons of Office 365

If you want MS Office cheap on a DVD, go to eBay. A single PC license of the professional version that includes Access is $84 and a two PC version is $104. The license lasts forever, unlike the $70 a year for Office 365. That’s $140 for just two years and $210 for three years.
If you get Office 365, Microsoft has effectively turned you into a surf.

Another con for Office 365 is the possibility of being removed from the service and having all your files deleted without notice. Section I of the MS services agreement tells users “Don’t do anything illegal.” This would mean that if you told a friend you smoked a joint of marijuana, you violated the services agreement and can have your account suspended. This is because while the substance is legal in some states, it is still illegal on the federal level. Even if someone were using marijuana to cure themselves of cancer, Microsoft doesn’t care. The person was committing an illegal act and therefore has violated the services agreement and deserves to be banned for life. Another doozy is in section vii of the services agreement.
Microsoft tells users to “Don’t engage in activity that is harmful to
you, the Services, or others.” Microsoft gives obvious examples of
nasty and destructive behavior like transmitting viruses, stalking, and posting terrorist content. Another example listed refers to “communicating hate speech, or advocating violence against others.”
The second provision would be extremely troubling if you are a gun owner and possess firearms for personal defense. Advocating for gun rights, stand your ground laws, and laws that eliminate any duty to retreat from an attacker could be considered by some as advocating violence as the person would be using lethal force in defense of his life. Using violence in self-defense is perfectly legal, but it is still advocating violence, according to some on the left. The technology industry has removed many thousands of people from Web-based services, such as Google, Twitter, Facebook and YouTube over issues of hate speech, which the companies never define or explicitly describe. Recently, large numbers of Google Docs users found themselves locked out of their account because an automated system determined they had used the software to create unspecified material that the company considered hate speech. Those blocked include academic scientists and business owners who insisted nothing of a controversial or political nature was stored on Google’s system. The company later acknowledged that a staff programmer made a change to an algorithm that created many hate speech false positives. If you were to buy an Office 2016 DVD, your access to Access, Word and other Office programs will never be denied for grounds of simply having a political opinion, or someone’s arbitrary determination of hate speech or engaging in illegal activity of a law you knew nothing about.

Kelly

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On 12/1/18, Richard B. McDonald <richardbmcdonald@gmail.com> wrote:
In the particular situation for MS Access, you would likely be best
off with Office 365. And, I mean its web-based version not its
desktop version.
That said, in general I have not found Access to be very accessible.
However, I recollect reading something recently about the Office 365
version of Access being substantially more accessible than any desktop
version; including 2016 and 2019. You ought to Google this topic.



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin
Meyers
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 11:37 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: pros and cons of Office 365



Hello,

I'm using Windows10 and Jaws 2018. I was looking to switch to Office
365. I need to start using Access. I'm looking for the most cost
effective way to get Access. I either go to Office 365 and pay the $70
per year for the personal version. Or purchase a stand alone Access
2016 for $129. What are the pros and cons of using office 365?

Cheers,

Kevin