Date   

Re: accessible survey websites with JAWS 2018

Don Mauck
 

I use surveyMonkey.

-----Original Message-----
From: Shai <shaiwol@...>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 9:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: accessible survey websites with JAWS 2018

Hello,
Are there accessible websites for creating and working with surveys
using JAWS 2018?
Thank you in advance for any responses


Re: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

Don Mauck
 

Press shift+PrintScreen, that places it on your clip board. Then you can paste from your clip board in to an email or document.

 

From: O.Addison Gethers <o.addisongethers@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 7:35 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

 

I have desktop computer with window 10 with jaws 2018 !! I need to make a screen shot on getway free infro  website to send it to support of getway free infro !! How can I do screen shot with jaws? When I’m on the website I press ctrl a for all then press ctrl c for copy  when I opened document to press ctrl v to paste  it’s doesn’t say the name of the email address that I have in edit box  at all with accounts information . Does anyone have any answer for me?

Addison

 

 

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accessible survey websites with JAWS 2018

Shai
 

Hello,
Are there accessible websites for creating and working with surveys
using JAWS 2018?
Thank you in advance for any responses


Re: Subscribe help

 

Hi,
One such list is:
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Anita
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 5:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Subscribe help

I second this inquiry.
On Nov 29, 2018, at 7:15 PM, Morey Worthington <worthington@...>
wrote:

Hi all. Is this the same list as was the Windows10 and Jaws list used to be?

If so, I have been a subscriber for a long time but sure as heck cannot find
a link to get a friend of mine subscribed. Could someone please send me a
link to get that person subscribed...pleasse.

If I am cross posting and it goes to the W10 list, cause i Have tried both
to do this, then I apologize to list owners and all. Just trying to help a
friend.

Thanks,

Morey Worthington


Re: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

O.Addison Gethers
 

+ p for print ? Then I go to my picture folder  then I will find screen shots in there?

Thanks

Hi Brian Are you saying that I have to press window key

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 10:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

 

Windows Key + Print Screen key will take a full screen shot and put it in your Pictures library, in a folder named Screenshots.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


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Re: Subscribe help

Flor Lynch
 

Hi Morey,

This list isn't the same one as the one you referenced in your message. The subscribe address for this list however, is:
jfwlist+subscribe@groups.io .
Hope this helps.

-----Original Message-----
From: Morey Worthington
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 12:15 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Subscribe help

Hi all. Is this the same list as was the Windows10 and Jaws list used to be?

If so, I have been a subscriber for a long time but sure as heck cannot
find a link to get a friend of mine subscribed. Could someone please
send me a link to get that person subscribed...pleasse.

If I am cross posting and it goes to the W10 list, cause i Have tried
both to do this, then I apologize to list owners and all. Just trying to
help a friend.

Thanks,

Morey Worthington


Re: Subscribe help

Anita
 

I second this inquiry.

On Nov 29, 2018, at 7:15 PM, Morey Worthington <worthington@...> wrote:

Hi all. Is this the same list as was the Windows10 and Jaws list used to be?

If so, I have been a subscriber for a long time but sure as heck cannot find a link to get a friend of mine subscribed. Could someone please send me a link to get that person subscribed...pleasse.

If I am cross posting and it goes to the W10 list, cause i Have tried both to do this, then I apologize to list owners and all. Just trying to help a friend.

Thanks,

Morey Worthington


Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

Tom <tomcat509@...>
 

Thanks for your reply Isaac,

Will certainly backup when fixed.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Isaac
Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2018 6:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

also to add to what you just said, after a new install copy the default
scripts folder some place else so you have a backup so in the future if you
are modifying scripts you don't have to uninstall jaws and reinstall as
there might be other scripts you have modified and would lose. The point is
hear, backup, backup, backup. Always backup.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Newell" <inscriptioelectronicaaustralia@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 12:43 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?


Those instructions are incorrect. You should never modify default.jss
or default.jsb files. There are other ways that Freedom Scientific has
designed for you to create or modify JAWS behavior.

What you need to do is this:

Part A: Check your default.jss and default.jsb file
1. Open Script Manager and press CTRL+SHIFT+D to load the default file.
2. See if your punctuation script is in the file. If it is, keep
following these instructions. If not, skip to Part B.
3. You need to get a clean copy of these files. The way I would
recommend is to completely remove JAWS 2019 from your system. Then
install JAWS 2019 again, but do not migrate any settings because then
you will be back where you started.
4. Check before using JAWS that this folder is completely empty:
C:\Users\[YourUserDirectory]\AppData\Roaming\Freedom
Scientific\JAWS\2019\Settings\enu.

Part B: Adding your punctuation script
1. Open Script Manager.
2. Press CTRL+O to open the Open dialog.
3. Navigate to this location: C:\ProgramData\Freedom
Scientific\JAWS\2019\Scripts.
4. Open the file MyExtensions.jss.
5. Write your script at the bottom of this file, and press CTRL+S to compile
it.


On 11/29/18, Tom <tomcat509@...> wrote:
Hi,
Following is the punctuation script and where it is available along with
installation instructions.

Maybe it does needs compiling again under Jaws 2019 and so I’ll try that
solution.

Source: http://www.jaws-users.com/scripts/JAWS/PunctuationLevelScript.html
Follow these steps to insert the code required to set up a hot key to
toggle
the Jaws punctuation level.

press insert 0 (on the number row).
press control shift D
You should hear jaws script manage default.jss.
Hit control+end this will take you to the bottom of the file.
Hit enter twice, to insert a couple of blank lines.
paste in the following lines for the script:

Script TogglePunctuation ()
Say (PunctuationToggle (false), ot_no_disable)
EndScript

Place your cursor on the line that says Say (PunctuationToggle (false),
ot_no_disable).
Hit control+d.
Hit tab this will put you on the "can be attached to key" check box, this
should be checked, if it is not hit "space bar" to check it.
Hit tab this will take you to the "synopsis" where you can put in a short
description if you want.
Tab to the "assign short cut key" field and press the keystroke you want
to
use for the script. Such as Control+Shift+P.
Tab to the okay button and enter. This will take you back to the script
editor.
Press control+S to compile your changes.
Press Alt-F4 to close the script editor

Cheers
Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger
Newell
Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2018 7:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

I haven't heard of this particular script.

Just to verify, is this a third-party script for which you were
provided with the .jsb file? If so, please make sure you can locate
the file in the following location:
C:\Users\[YourUserDirectory]\AppData\Roaming\Freedom
Scientific\JAWS\2019\Settings\enu If you have the .jss and/or .jsh
file, you should probably show it to someone who knows how to read it
to verify that it's not calling on a particular script or function or
something that's been moved around in JAWS 2019.

On 11/28/18, Tom <tomcat509@...> wrote:
Using: W10 64 bit and Jaws 2019.

Hi

I have experienced a problem with the punctuation script since upgrading
from Jaws 2018 to 2019.

Under 2018, the script could be run from anywhere on the system but since
changing to 2019, the only place the script works is when it is run from
the
desktop. If I am in a folder on another drive say, hitting shift control
P,
Jaws says, "unknown script call to".

If I still wish to change the punctuation level then it is a trip back to
the Desktop and try again.

Cheers
Tom










Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

Tom <tomcat509@...>
 

Thanks a lot Roger for the very detailed reply which I have read numerous times in an attempt to understand what to do. Being a fairly recent convert from Windoweyes, I feel I am out of my depth so will need to read the instructions a few more times prior to making the plundge.

Yes, the punctuation script is contained in the default.jss file.

Rather than completely remove Jaws 2019 as you advise, what about if I deleted the default.jss and default.jsb files from the enu folder and ran the Jaws 2019 setup program which contains a repair feature. Would this work or create more problems?

Cheers
Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger Newell
Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2018 4:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

Those instructions are incorrect. You should never modify default.jss
or default.jsb files. There are other ways that Freedom Scientific has
designed for you to create or modify JAWS behavior.

What you need to do is this:

Part A: Check your default.jss and default.jsb file
1. Open Script Manager and press CTRL+SHIFT+D to load the default file.
2. See if your punctuation script is in the file. If it is, keep
following these instructions. If not, skip to Part B.
3. You need to get a clean copy of these files. The way I would
recommend is to completely remove JAWS 2019 from your system. Then
install JAWS 2019 again, but do not migrate any settings because then
you will be back where you started.
4. Check before using JAWS that this folder is completely empty:
C:\Users\[YourUserDirectory]\AppData\Roaming\Freedom
Scientific\JAWS\2019\Settings\enu.

Part B: Adding your punctuation script
1. Open Script Manager.
2. Press CTRL+O to open the Open dialog.
3. Navigate to this location: C:\ProgramData\Freedom
Scientific\JAWS\2019\Scripts.
4. Open the file MyExtensions.jss.
5. Write your script at the bottom of this file, and press CTRL+S to compile it.


On 11/29/18, Tom <tomcat509@...> wrote:
Hi,
Following is the punctuation script and where it is available along with
installation instructions.

Maybe it does needs compiling again under Jaws 2019 and so I’ll try that
solution.

Source: http://www.jaws-users.com/scripts/JAWS/PunctuationLevelScript.html
Follow these steps to insert the code required to set up a hot key to toggle
the Jaws punctuation level.

press insert 0 (on the number row).
press control shift D
You should hear jaws script manage default.jss.
Hit control+end this will take you to the bottom of the file.
Hit enter twice, to insert a couple of blank lines.
paste in the following lines for the script:

Script TogglePunctuation ()
Say (PunctuationToggle (false), ot_no_disable)
EndScript

Place your cursor on the line that says Say (PunctuationToggle (false),
ot_no_disable).
Hit control+d.
Hit tab this will put you on the "can be attached to key" check box, this
should be checked, if it is not hit "space bar" to check it.
Hit tab this will take you to the "synopsis" where you can put in a short
description if you want.
Tab to the "assign short cut key" field and press the keystroke you want to
use for the script. Such as Control+Shift+P.
Tab to the okay button and enter. This will take you back to the script
editor.
Press control+S to compile your changes.
Press Alt-F4 to close the script editor

Cheers
Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger
Newell
Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2018 7:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

I haven't heard of this particular script.

Just to verify, is this a third-party script for which you were
provided with the .jsb file? If so, please make sure you can locate
the file in the following location:
C:\Users\[YourUserDirectory]\AppData\Roaming\Freedom
Scientific\JAWS\2019\Settings\enu If you have the .jss and/or .jsh
file, you should probably show it to someone who knows how to read it
to verify that it's not calling on a particular script or function or
something that's been moved around in JAWS 2019.

On 11/28/18, Tom <tomcat509@...> wrote:
Using: W10 64 bit and Jaws 2019.

Hi

I have experienced a problem with the punctuation script since upgrading
from Jaws 2018 to 2019.

Under 2018, the script could be run from anywhere on the system but since
changing to 2019, the only place the script works is when it is run from
the
desktop. If I am in a folder on another drive say, hitting shift control
P,
Jaws says, "unknown script call to".

If I still wish to change the punctuation level then it is a trip back to
the Desktop and try again.

Cheers
Tom










Re: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

 

Windows Key + Print Screen key will take a full screen shot and put it in your Pictures library, in a folder named Screenshots.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

O.Addison Gethers
 

I have desktop computer with window 10 with jaws 2018 !! I need to make a screen shot on getway free infro  website to send it to support of getway free infro !! How can I do screen shot with jaws? When I’m on the website I press ctrl a for all then press ctrl c for copy  when I opened document to press ctrl v to paste  it’s doesn’t say the name of the email address that I have in edit box  at all with accounts information . Does anyone have any answer for me?

Addison

 


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Re: need advice on best application for team editing of documents

Marty Hutchings
 

I have had good luck with DropBox.



Love in Christ
Marty

-----Original Message-----
From: Amy Bower
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 10:23 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: need advice on best application for team editing of documents

Hi All - I need to work with a team at work on editing a document. They want to use a tool like google Docs. I've tried it in the past, but found everything about using google Docs with Jaws cumbersome, to say the least. Does anyone have experience to share about what works best? Choices I know of so far are Google Docs, OneDrive and OneNote. OneNote fits the bill perfectly, but per a recent post of mine, I found I could easily navigate around OneNote, but could not for the life of me figure out how to read or edit the content on a page. If I could figure that out, OneNote might be a good candidate. Thanks.
-Amy B.


Re: [Leasey] Potential Training Course: Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS for Windows.

David Goldfield
 

While I have never taken any courses from Hartgen Consultancy I am very impressed with the work I've seen so far from Brian Hartgen. First, his Leasey program, along with his other offerings such as J-say and J-dictate, prove that he is a master when it comes to JAWS scripting. Furthermore, he knows how to write software which appeals to both new and power users alike. His documentation is extensive and very thorough and the sample I heard of his training was extremely professional and his courses are reasonably priced. If I sent a response and never heard back from him that would certainly be a cause for concern. When I write to him and I receive responses at 2:00 AM by the next morning that tells me that he is committed to not only making himself available but to wanting to address my question.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 11/28/2018 9:50 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

I think it was just poor timing on my part. I was having trouble with setting up my website and someone offered to help me set things up.  Sadly his grammar in correspondence was so atrocious that it was hard to fathom him being a professional.  The idea from me was, if he paid such little attention to using a spell checker to check grammar and spelling, how much dedication would he have towards helping me and listening to my requirements. So, with Brian, I think with his responses being so quick and at times where people would be normally sleeping or getting up, I doubted the validity of his product. Or, to be blunt, I thought it was all a scam. Like I said, the timing was poor.  Also, I have become busy with my dog boarding and training so, have little time to take the power point course.  By the time I could take it, my brain would be to tired to take anything in anyway. Hopefully they will get enough interest to get it off the ground.  Maybe in a year I will be able to purchase the course but, more importantly have the time to listen to it with my brain not being to tired. Think of it this way, you are looking after a toddler and have to watch it all the time and ones around you are not making the area toddler safe even though they’ve been told too.      

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matthew Horspool
Sent: November 27, 2018 6:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Leasey] Potential Training Course: Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS for Windows.

 

Hi David,

I believe Brian works from home and is naturally awake very early in the morning (presumably due to non-24), so I guess he figured he'd use his time productively and take care of some work emails while things were quiet.

Obviously, if you're unhappy with the quality of the response you received you're under no obligation to continue doing business with Hartgen Consultancy, but I wouldn't not work with them just because of the time they happen to be awake.

Matthew

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: 27 November 2018 14:27
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Leasey] Potential Training Course: Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS for Windows.

 

I did not get a good feeling with the correspondence I received. The office is based in the U K, yet the times of the correspondence did not jive with U K time, for that matter U S either. If a office opens at 9 AM, why would one get correspondence at 5 AM?  Even allowing for time zones, that is still before the business opens. JMT.     

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: November 26, 2018 1:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Leasey] Potential Training Course: Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS for Windows.

 

Since I have to work with PPT and poor accessibility issues, I’ll be glad to participate, however, I cannot use Office 365 at Oracle, I must use a licensed copy which is currently Office2016.

 

From: David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2018 6:32 AM
To: JAWS Mailing List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: [Leasey] Potential Training Course: Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS for Windows.

 

The following message is from Brian Hartgen and was posted to the Leasey mailing list.

 





Several weeks ago, we were asked if a training course could be created to teach people how to use Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS. People not only wanted to learn how to prepare visually appealing PowerPoint presentations, (including adding graphical images), but also how to add music or sound to them, run the presentations as slide shows and add or review Speakers Notes.

 

This training course has now been researched and it is possible this could be produced in January of 2019. Teaching this subject however is very high risk in a number of areas.

 

As blind people managing our small company, we will need to ensure that visual assistance is obtained so as to include visually appealing graphics of the required dimensions. But most importantly, it is our view that the support currently provided in terms of screen-reading with PowerPoint from Office 365 is simply not sufficient for what we need to do. Conveying this subject in easy to understand terms was always going to be tricky, but to do so when the access you will receive in this area has shortcomings is even more problematic.

 

A basic example would be accessing the Speakers Notes. These are notes or reminders to you, the person delivering the presentation, as to what you can say above and beyond what is stated in the slide the audience is viewing. There used to be a keystroke which would allow focus to be set to that area of the screen. This is no longer possible. Moreover, if you are using a Braille display, how are you going to read those notes without disturbing visual focus away from the application? A mechanism for listening to those notes also needs to be found. There are also a large number of other inaccessible areas which need some attention.

 

To that end, as with all our training courses, we would need please a commitment from anyone interested to make the project viable. This would allow for the delivery of the training course together with bringing the existing JAWS support up-to-date.

We have had a small number of people expressing an interest in this subject so far, but whether it goes ahead really does boil down to what kind of commitment we do receive.

 

The training course would be delivered over a four-hour period in January of 2019. It would include details of many aspects of creating presentations in an accessible way, identifying (as far as possible) whether the presentations were visually acceptable, navigating through slides, working with visual themes, using tables and bulleted lists, editing presentations, delivering your presentation to an audience, and more. A full course outline would be presented if the training course goes ahead.

 

If you would like to purchase this training course, please write to brian@.... We will then send to you an invoice for payment. Assuming we have enough committed people to make the course viable, then we will present the details formally on our website with a full course outline. The cost would be £50 which is currently $62. We would ideally need to hear from you by 7 December 2018 because that will give sufficient time for the JAWS scripting work to go ahead prior to the commencement of the training course in 2019.

 

If we do not receive a sufficient response, unfortunately we cannot take this project further because there are many hours of work ahead even before a training course of this magnitude can start to be prepared.

 

We very much look forward to hearing from anyone interested in what could be an interesting venture.

 

Brian Hartgen

Choose Hartgen Consultancy for high quality JAWS Script Writing, training and our products including J-Say, J-Dictate and Leasey.

Opening Hours: 9 AM to 5 PM UK time, Monday to Friday.

Telephone (in the UK) 02920-850298.

Telephone (in the United States of America) 1-415-871-0626.

Telephone (from any other country) +44-2920-820598.

Visit our website for more information!

 

Follow us on Twitter, HartgenConsult.

Like our Facebook Page.

 


Re: [Leasey] Potential Training Course: Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS for Windows.

Curtis Delzer
 

I just couldn’t help it, love dogs, and . . . You know the score. Have a great day with they pooches.

On Nov 28, 2018, at 4:53 PM, David & his pack of dogs <myguidedogis@...> wrote:

The dogs map out the course, it’s caught on video one of them has a camera attached to his collar.  Then a power point presentation is made.  LOL. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer
Sent: November 28, 2018 8:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Leasey] Potential Training Course: Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS for Windows.

 

You mean it is you and your pack of dogs who heads the course? Or is it the course mapped out by the pack before we step into it? Or . . . 

Fun, eh?

Curtis Delzer 

H.S.

WB6HEF

San Bernardino, CA

_____

SENT! From Curt’s iPhone!


On Nov 28, 2018, at 6:50 AM, David & his pack of dogs <myguidedogis@...> wrote:

I think it was just poor timing on my part. I was having trouble with setting up my website and someone offered to help me set things up.  Sadly his grammar in correspondence was so atrocious that it was hard to fathom him being a professional.  The idea from me was, if he paid such little attention to using a spell checker to check grammar and spelling, how much dedication would he have towards helping me and listening to my requirements. So, with Brian, I think with his responses being so quick and at times where people would be normally sleeping or getting up, I doubted the validity of his product. Or, to be blunt, I thought it was all a scam. Like I said, the timing was poor.  Also, I have become busy with my dog boarding and training so, have little time to take the power point course.  By the time I could take it, my brain would be to tired to take anything in anyway. Hopefully they will get enough interest to get it off the ground.  Maybe in a year I will be able to purchase the course but, more importantly have the time to listen to it with my brain not being to tired. Think of it this way, you are looking after a toddler and have to watch it all the time and ones around you are not making the area toddler safe even though they’ve been told too.      

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matthew Horspool
Sent: November 27, 2018 6:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Leasey] Potential Training Course: Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS for Windows.

 

Hi David,

I believe Brian works from home and is naturally awake very early in the morning (presumably due to non-24), so I guess he figured he'd use his time productively and take care of some work emails while things were quiet.

Obviously, if you're unhappy with the quality of the response you received you're under no obligation to continue doing business with Hartgen Consultancy, but I wouldn't not work with them just because of the time they happen to be awake.

Matthew

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: 27 November 2018 14:27
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Leasey] Potential Training Course: Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS for Windows.

 

I did not get a good feeling with the correspondence I received. The office is based in the U K, yet the times of the correspondence did not jive with U K time, for that matter U S either. If a office opens at 9 AM, why would one get correspondence at 5 AM?  Even allowing for time zones, that is still before the business opens. JMT.     

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: November 26, 2018 1:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Leasey] Potential Training Course: Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS for Windows.

 

Since I have to work with PPT and poor accessibility issues, I’ll be glad to participate, however, I cannot use Office 365 at Oracle, I must use a licensed copy which is currently Office2016.

 

From: David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2018 6:32 AM
To: JAWS Mailing List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: [Leasey] Potential Training Course: Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS for Windows.

 

The following message is from Brian Hartgen and was posted to the Leasey mailing list.

 






Several weeks ago, we were asked if a training course could be created to teach people how to use Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS. People not only wanted to learn how to prepare visually appealing PowerPoint presentations, (including adding graphical images), but also how to add music or sound to them, run the presentations as slide shows and add or review Speakers Notes.

 

This training course has now been researched and it is possible this could be produced in January of 2019. Teaching this subject however is very high risk in a number of areas.

 

As blind people managing our small company, we will need to ensure that visual assistance is obtained so as to include visually appealing graphics of the required dimensions. But most importantly, it is our view that the support currently provided in terms of screen-reading with PowerPoint from Office 365 is simply not sufficient for what we need to do. Conveying this subject in easy to understand terms was always going to be tricky, but to do so when the access you will receive in this area has shortcomings is even more problematic.

 

A basic example would be accessing the Speakers Notes. These are notes or reminders to you, the person delivering the presentation, as to what you can say above and beyond what is stated in the slide the audience is viewing. There used to be a keystroke which would allow focus to be set to that area of the screen. This is no longer possible. Moreover, if you are using a Braille display, how are you going to read those notes without disturbing visual focus away from the application? A mechanism for listening to those notes also needs to be found. There are also a large number of other inaccessible areas which need some attention.

 

To that end, as with all our training courses, we would need please a commitment from anyone interested to make the project viable. This would allow for the delivery of the training course together with bringing the existing JAWS support up-to-date.

We have had a small number of people expressing an interest in this subject so far, but whether it goes ahead really does boil down to what kind of commitment we do receive.

 

The training course would be delivered over a four-hour period in January of 2019. It would include details of many aspects of creating presentations in an accessible way, identifying (as far as possible) whether the presentations were visually acceptable, navigating through slides, working with visual themes, using tables and bulleted lists, editing presentations, delivering your presentation to an audience, and more. A full course outline would be presented if the training course goes ahead.

 

If you would like to purchase this training course, please write to brian@.... We will then send to you an invoice for payment. Assuming we have enough committed people to make the course viable, then we will present the details formally on our website with a full course outline. The cost would be £50 which is currently $62. We would ideally need to hear from you by 7 December 2018 because that will give sufficient time for the JAWS scripting work to go ahead prior to the commencement of the training course in 2019.

 

If we do not receive a sufficient response, unfortunately we cannot take this project further because there are many hours of work ahead even before a training course of this magnitude can start to be prepared.

 

We very much look forward to hearing from anyone interested in what could be an interesting venture.

 

Brian Hartgen

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Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

Roger Newell
 

In addition to what Matthew has said, Freedom Scientific uses many,
many folders across your PC to store files, many of which may be
referenced at any time. Having files whose version does not match
other files has the potential to break JAWS functionality when JAWS
receives updates throughout the year.

On 11/29/18, Matthew Horspool <mhorspool@...> wrote:
Hi Isaac,

I'm afraid I'm not convinced that this is necessary or even appropriate.
Freedom Scientific scripts could change at any time, even from minor JAWS
version to minor JAWS version. If you restore from a personal backup of the
Freedom Scientific stock scripts you could well end up restoring an earlier
version which re-introduces problems which have subsequently been fixed.

A JAWS repair is a perfectly adequate way of restoring stock scripts if they
do go missing somehow. If you're particularly paranoid you could keep a
backup copy of the JAWS installer.

Matthew



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Isaac
Sent: 29 November 2018 10:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?



Yes, but also backup the freedomscientific scripts as well so you always
have a clean copy if you need it.

----- Original Message -----

From: "Roger Newell"
<inscriptioelectronicaaustralia@...<mailto:inscriptioelectronicaaustralia@...>>

To: <main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>>

Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 3:31 AM

Subject: Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?





Back up your user scripts folder, because this is where script files you
modify are saved to, so that they do not become mixed with the scripts
Freedom Scientific provides. The location of your user scripts folder is the
one I provided in step 4 of Part a of my instructions.



On 11/29/18, Isaac <bigikemusic@...<mailto:bigikemusic@...>>
wrote:

also to add to what you just said, after a new install copy the
default scripts folder some place else so you have a backup so in the
future if you
are modifying scripts you don't have to uninstall jaws and reinstall
as there might be other scripts you have modified and would lose. The
point is
hear, backup, backup, backup. Always backup.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Newell"
<inscriptioelectronicaaustralia@...<mailto:inscriptioelectronicaaustralia@...>>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 12:43 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?
Those instructions are incorrect. You should never modify default.jss
or default.jsb files. There are other ways that Freedom Scientific has
designed for you to create or modify JAWS behavior.
What you need to do is this:
Part A: Check your default.jss and default.jsb file 1. Open Script
Manager and press CTRL+SHIFT+D to load the default file.
2. See if your punctuation script is in the file. If it is, keep
following these instructions. If not, skip to Part B.
3. You need to get a clean copy of these files. The way I would
recommend is to completely remove JAWS 2019 from your system. Then
install JAWS 2019 again, but do not migrate any settings because then
you will be back where you started.
4. Check before using JAWS that this folder is completely empty:
C:\Users\[YourUserDirectory]\AppData\Roaming\Freedom
Scientific\JAWS\2019\Settings\enu.
Part B: Adding your punctuation script 1. Open Script Manager.
2. Press CTRL+O to open the Open dialog.
3. Navigate to this location: C:\ProgramData\Freedom
Scientific\JAWS\2019\Scripts.
4. Open the file MyExtensions.jss.
5. Write your script at the bottom of this file, and press CTRL+S to
compile
it.
On 11/29/18, Tom <tomcat509@...<mailto:tomcat509@...>> wrote:
Hi,
Following is the punctuation script and where it is available along
with installation instructions.
Maybe it does needs compiling again under Jaws 2019 and so I’ll try
that solution.
Source:
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.
jaws-users.com%2Fscripts%2FJAWS%2FPunctuationLevelScript.html&amp;dat
a=02%7C01%7C%7C590911a1125c4533b86c08d655e56b86%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb43
5aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636790841167121260&amp;sdata=WDX7jUzXY2qmTsgU
wz6OKXEpj1Bm13oHCYAew3lGOxY%3D&amp;reserved=0
Follow these steps to insert the code required to set up a hot key to
toggle the Jaws punctuation level.
press insert 0 (on the number row).
press control shift D
You should hear jaws script manage default.jss.
Hit control+end this will take you to the bottom of the file.
Hit enter twice, to insert a couple of blank lines.
paste in the following lines for the script:
Script TogglePunctuation ()
Say (PunctuationToggle (false), ot_no_disable) EndScript
Place your cursor on the line that says Say (PunctuationToggle
(false), ot_no_disable).
Hit control+d.
Hit tab this will put you on the "can be attached to key" check box,
this should be checked, if it is not hit "space bar" to check it.
Hit tab this will take you to the "synopsis" where you can put in a
short description if you want.
Tab to the "assign short cut key" field and press the keystroke you
want to use for the script. Such as Control+Shift+P.
Tab to the okay button and enter. This will take you back to the
script editor.
Press control+S to compile your changes.
Press Alt-F4 to close the script editor
Cheers
Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Roger Newell
Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2018 7:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?
I haven't heard of this particular script.
Just to verify, is this a third-party script for which you were
provided with the .jsb file? If so, please make sure you can locate
the file in the following location:
C:\Users\[YourUserDirectory]\AppData\Roaming\Freedom
Scientific\JAWS\2019\Settings\enu If you have the .jss and/or .jsh
file, you should probably show it to someone who knows how to read it
to verify that it's not calling on a particular script or function or
something that's been moved around in JAWS 2019.
On 11/28/18, Tom <tomcat509@...<mailto:tomcat509@...>>
wrote:
Using: W10 64 bit and Jaws 2019.
Hi
I have experienced a problem with the punctuation script since
upgrading from Jaws 2018 to 2019.
Under 2018, the script could be run from anywhere on the system but
since changing to 2019, the only place the script works is when it
is run from the desktop. If I am in a folder on another drive say,
hitting shift control P, Jaws says, "unknown script call to".
If I still wish to change the punctuation level then it is a trip
back to the Desktop and try again.
Cheers
Tom

















Subscribe help

Morey Worthington
 

Hi all. Is this the same list as was the Windows10 and Jaws list used to be?

If so, I have been a subscriber for a long time but sure as heck cannot find a link  to get a friend of mine subscribed. Could someone please send me a link to get that person subscribed...pleasse.

If I am cross posting and it goes to the W10 list, cause i Have tried both to do this, then I apologize to list owners and all. Just trying to help a friend.

Thanks,

Morey Worthington


Re: need advice on best application for team editing of documents

 

Amy,

          Just curious if you've ever reviewed Google's own accessibility documentation for Google Docs.  See:  

Products and Features - Google Accessibility

         Specifically the section on Google Docs, though they cover the entire range of products on that page.

          There are also a lot of resources, particularly from universities, returned on a web search for "accessibility Google docs."  Here's one from Penn State that talks about the need for the end user of a screen reader to turn on the screen reader features of Google Docs:  

Accessibility at Penn State | Google Docs and Google Drive

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: need advice on best application for team editing of documents

Richard B. McDonald
 

How about just having an MS Word document in DropBox with "track changes"
turned-on?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amy Bower
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 8:23 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: need advice on best application for team editing of documents

Hi All - I need to work with a team at work on editing a document. They want
to use a tool like google Docs. I've tried it in the past, but found
everything about using google Docs with Jaws cumbersome, to say the least.
Does anyone have experience to share about what works best? Choices I know
of so far are Google Docs, OneDrive and OneNote. OneNote fits the bill
perfectly, but per a recent post of mine, I found I could easily navigate
around OneNote, but could not for the life of me figure out how to read or
edit the content on a page. If I could figure that out, OneNote might be a
good candidate. Thanks.
-Amy B.


need advice on best application for team editing of documents

Amy Bower
 

Hi All - I need to work with a team at work on editing a document. They want to use a tool like google Docs. I've tried it in the past, but found everything about using google Docs with Jaws cumbersome, to say the least. Does anyone have experience to share about what works best? Choices I know of so far are Google Docs, OneDrive and OneNote. OneNote fits the bill perfectly, but per a recent post of mine, I found I could easily navigate around OneNote, but could not for the life of me figure out how to read or edit the content on a page. If I could figure that out, OneNote might be a good candidate. Thanks.
-Amy B.


Removing break lines in Excel

Wideman, Donna J
 

Hello All,
I have a file in Excel and when I open it I click next to go through the process of importing it.
I know that this step is where I can remove break lines and put in the desired break lines for my needs, but do not know how to make Jaws read it.
Can anyone help?
Thanks
Donna

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matthew Horspool
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 5:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Taking out Hard and soft page breaks in Notepad after copying and pasting text

Hi bill,
That works in Microsoft Word but not in Notepad, at least not on my Windows 7 computer at work! Perhaps it does under Windows 10.
In Notepad it is a real pain because there doesn't seem to be a way of typing a formfeed character directly, even though you can copy/paste them in or have some other program put them in for you. The solution, as far as I can find, is to manually find an instance of a formfeed character (hard page break, if you like), copy it to the clipboard, and then paste it into the "Find" box of the "Find/Replace" dialog. Leave the "Replace" field blank as Bill has already said.
Soft page breaks cannot be removed by their very nature. However, if they are caused by excessive line breaks, you can delete those. There isn't, as far as I know, a way of automating that process in Notepad though.
Where are you copying/pasting from? If Word, you might have better results removing all this white space in Word, following the instructions that Bill gave, and then copying/pasting the cleaned up text.
Matthew

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 20 November 2018 20:33
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Taking out Hard and soft page breaks in Notepad after copying and pasting text

Hi, Sharon. To remove special characters with the Find/Replace in Notepad:

for page breaks type ^p in the Find box; for paragraph breaks use ^m

The Caret is the number six on the numbers row with the Shift key.

In the Replace box don't type anything. Then TAB and click Replace All to remove all page or paragraph breaks

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Taking out Hard and soft page breaks in Notepad after copying and pasting text

Anyone know the keystrokes to do this in the replace all dialogue box?
Sharon














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