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Re: [Leasey] Potential Training Course: Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS for Windows.

Curtis Delzer
 

You mean it is you and your pack of dogs who heads the course? Or is it the course mapped out by the pack before we step into it? Or . . . 
Fun, eh?

Curtis Delzer 
H.S.
WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA
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SENT! From Curt’s iPhone!

On Nov 28, 2018, at 6:50 AM, David & his pack of dogs <myguidedogis@...> wrote:

I think it was just poor timing on my part. I was having trouble with setting up my website and someone offered to help me set things up.  Sadly his grammar in correspondence was so atrocious that it was hard to fathom him being a professional.  The idea from me was, if he paid such little attention to using a spell checker to check grammar and spelling, how much dedication would he have towards helping me and listening to my requirements. So, with Brian, I think with his responses being so quick and at times where people would be normally sleeping or getting up, I doubted the validity of his product. Or, to be blunt, I thought it was all a scam. Like I said, the timing was poor.  Also, I have become busy with my dog boarding and training so, have little time to take the power point course.  By the time I could take it, my brain would be to tired to take anything in anyway. Hopefully they will get enough interest to get it off the ground.  Maybe in a year I will be able to purchase the course but, more importantly have the time to listen to it with my brain not being to tired. Think of it this way, you are looking after a toddler and have to watch it all the time and ones around you are not making the area toddler safe even though they’ve been told too.      

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matthew Horspool
Sent: November 27, 2018 6:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Leasey] Potential Training Course: Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS for Windows.

 

Hi David,

I believe Brian works from home and is naturally awake very early in the morning (presumably due to non-24), so I guess he figured he'd use his time productively and take care of some work emails while things were quiet.

Obviously, if you're unhappy with the quality of the response you received you're under no obligation to continue doing business with Hartgen Consultancy, but I wouldn't not work with them just because of the time they happen to be awake.

Matthew

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: 27 November 2018 14:27
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Leasey] Potential Training Course: Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS for Windows.

 

I did not get a good feeling with the correspondence I received. The office is based in the U K, yet the times of the correspondence did not jive with U K time, for that matter U S either. If a office opens at 9 AM, why would one get correspondence at 5 AM?  Even allowing for time zones, that is still before the business opens. JMT.     

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: November 26, 2018 1:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Leasey] Potential Training Course: Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS for Windows.

 

Since I have to work with PPT and poor accessibility issues, I’ll be glad to participate, however, I cannot use Office 365 at Oracle, I must use a licensed copy which is currently Office2016.

 

From: David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2018 6:32 AM
To: JAWS Mailing List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: [Leasey] Potential Training Course: Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS for Windows.

 

The following message is from Brian Hartgen and was posted to the Leasey mailing list.

 





Several weeks ago, we were asked if a training course could be created to teach people how to use Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS. People not only wanted to learn how to prepare visually appealing PowerPoint presentations, (including adding graphical images), but also how to add music or sound to them, run the presentations as slide shows and add or review Speakers Notes.

 

This training course has now been researched and it is possible this could be produced in January of 2019. Teaching this subject however is very high risk in a number of areas.

 

As blind people managing our small company, we will need to ensure that visual assistance is obtained so as to include visually appealing graphics of the required dimensions. But most importantly, it is our view that the support currently provided in terms of screen-reading with PowerPoint from Office 365 is simply not sufficient for what we need to do. Conveying this subject in easy to understand terms was always going to be tricky, but to do so when the access you will receive in this area has shortcomings is even more problematic.

 

A basic example would be accessing the Speakers Notes. These are notes or reminders to you, the person delivering the presentation, as to what you can say above and beyond what is stated in the slide the audience is viewing. There used to be a keystroke which would allow focus to be set to that area of the screen. This is no longer possible. Moreover, if you are using a Braille display, how are you going to read those notes without disturbing visual focus away from the application? A mechanism for listening to those notes also needs to be found. There are also a large number of other inaccessible areas which need some attention.

 

To that end, as with all our training courses, we would need please a commitment from anyone interested to make the project viable. This would allow for the delivery of the training course together with bringing the existing JAWS support up-to-date.

We have had a small number of people expressing an interest in this subject so far, but whether it goes ahead really does boil down to what kind of commitment we do receive.

 

The training course would be delivered over a four-hour period in January of 2019. It would include details of many aspects of creating presentations in an accessible way, identifying (as far as possible) whether the presentations were visually acceptable, navigating through slides, working with visual themes, using tables and bulleted lists, editing presentations, delivering your presentation to an audience, and more. A full course outline would be presented if the training course goes ahead.

 

If you would like to purchase this training course, please write to brian@.... We will then send to you an invoice for payment. Assuming we have enough committed people to make the course viable, then we will present the details formally on our website with a full course outline. The cost would be £50 which is currently $62. We would ideally need to hear from you by 7 December 2018 because that will give sufficient time for the JAWS scripting work to go ahead prior to the commencement of the training course in 2019.

 

If we do not receive a sufficient response, unfortunately we cannot take this project further because there are many hours of work ahead even before a training course of this magnitude can start to be prepared.

 

We very much look forward to hearing from anyone interested in what could be an interesting venture.

 

Brian Hartgen

Choose Hartgen Consultancy for high quality JAWS Script Writing, training and our products including J-Say, J-Dictate and Leasey.

Opening Hours: 9 AM to 5 PM UK time, Monday to Friday.

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Telephone (in the United States of America) 1-415-871-0626.

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Re: Jaws 18 and jaws 2018 Facebook

O.Addison Gethers
 

Matthew May I have your email address ? I will go to try regular facebook to see what’s happens from there with my jaws 2018

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matthew Horspool
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 10:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 18 and jaws 2018 Facebook

 

Hi Addison,

M Facebook is generally less cluttered, which is why I suspect FS tech support encourage its use. Regular Facebook is still perfectly accessible, though.

As I say, I'm hardly a Facebook expert so I'm not sure what support I would be able to offer you off-list that others can't do better on-list.

Matthew

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: 28 November 2018 14:58
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 18 and jaws 2018 Facebook

 

Hi Matthew Thanks for your response ,I wasn’t sure if www.facebook.com  is accessible with jaws because when I go on www.facebook.com  I noticed jaws was acted up on the page for some reason. So I did calls fs technical support about it she told me go to m.facebook.com where jaws is accessible better on it than regular facebook  for my u understanding that regular facebook  page have more features than m.facebook.com   page !! If you don’t mind writing me off list at  O.addisonGethers@... 

Addison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matthew Horspool
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 9:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 18 and jaws 2018 Facebook

 

Hello Addison,

I am not a Facebook expert so I did not jump into this thread straight away, thinking that perhaps someone else might have a more thorough answer. But yes, the regular facebook.com website is accessible with JAWS.

There shouldn't be any difference in notifications between regular Facebook and M Facebook, as far as I know. You will not get notified every time somebody posts as this is the purpose of the news feed.

I hope I have understood your questions correctly. I wouldn't usually point it out, but since you bring it up, your messages don't contain very much punctuation and the wording is not very clear, so it does take quite a while for me to process what you've said and then even longer to interpret it. If you could perhaps insert a few more full stops it might make things a little easier.

Best wishes,

Matthew

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: 28 November 2018 13:18
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 18 and jaws 2018 Facebook

 

Hello Is there anyone can helped me?If not then I don’t understand you all can helps other unless you all doesn’t understand me and not much experience on computer stuff and have not had much computer training . If I defend anyone feeling I’m sorry !!

Addison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 12:33 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws 18 and jaws 2018 Facebook

 

Hello All  Is jaws accessible to read on www.facebook.com  ? I have been using m.facebook.com  website  I’m having problem not receiving notifications page with the people who’s I’m following and like theirs page to receive theirs post on notification on m.facebook.com  I was wonder if I need to go to regular facebook website. I noticed on yesterday I went on lite.facebook.com website and heard some of the people that I’m follow is there but when I press enter on it jaws is little behave acts on the page. I really need some help here because I can’t use my mobile phone with hearing impairment not able to hear voiceover loud enough to understandit. I have desktop and laptop computer.

Addison

 

 

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Re: Jaws 18 and jaws 2018 Facebook

Matthew Horspool
 

Hi Addison,

M Facebook is generally less cluttered, which is why I suspect FS tech support encourage its use. Regular Facebook is still perfectly accessible, though.

As I say, I'm hardly a Facebook expert so I'm not sure what support I would be able to offer you off-list that others can't do better on-list.

Matthew

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: 28 November 2018 14:58
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 18 and jaws 2018 Facebook

 

Hi Matthew Thanks for your response ,I wasn’t sure if www.facebook.com  is accessible with jaws because when I go on www.facebook.com  I noticed jaws was acted up on the page for some reason. So I did calls fs technical support about it she told me go to m.facebook.com where jaws is accessible better on it than regular facebook  for my u understanding that regular facebook  page have more features than m.facebook.com   page !! If you don’t mind writing me off list at  O.addisonGethers@... 

Addison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matthew Horspool
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 9:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 18 and jaws 2018 Facebook

 

Hello Addison,

I am not a Facebook expert so I did not jump into this thread straight away, thinking that perhaps someone else might have a more thorough answer. But yes, the regular facebook.com website is accessible with JAWS.

There shouldn't be any difference in notifications between regular Facebook and M Facebook, as far as I know. You will not get notified every time somebody posts as this is the purpose of the news feed.

I hope I have understood your questions correctly. I wouldn't usually point it out, but since you bring it up, your messages don't contain very much punctuation and the wording is not very clear, so it does take quite a while for me to process what you've said and then even longer to interpret it. If you could perhaps insert a few more full stops it might make things a little easier.

Best wishes,

Matthew

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: 28 November 2018 13:18
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 18 and jaws 2018 Facebook

 

Hello Is there anyone can helped me?If not then I don’t understand you all can helps other unless you all doesn’t understand me and not much experience on computer stuff and have not had much computer training . If I defend anyone feeling I’m sorry !!

Addison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 12:33 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws 18 and jaws 2018 Facebook

 

Hello All  Is jaws accessible to read on www.facebook.com  ? I have been using m.facebook.com  website  I’m having problem not receiving notifications page with the people who’s I’m following and like theirs page to receive theirs post on notification on m.facebook.com  I was wonder if I need to go to regular facebook website. I noticed on yesterday I went on lite.facebook.com website and heard some of the people that I’m follow is there but when I press enter on it jaws is little behave acts on the page. I really need some help here because I can’t use my mobile phone with hearing impairment not able to hear voiceover loud enough to understandit. I have desktop and laptop computer.

Addison

 

 

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Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

Matthew Horspool
 

Hi Brian,

Yes. Usually it is a match on the program executable. In some cases they used to match on DLLs, e.g. Internet Explorer settings were under browseui rather than iexplore. I'm not sure why this is or how to achieve it in custom scripts.

In JAWS 5.0 they introduced a file called ConfigNames.ini. This maps executable names to more human readable config basenames, which is why Internet Explorer is now under Internet Explorer. A later addition to that file allowed JAWS to load different configs based on the version of the file it found. This is how, I suspect, JAWS knows to load Word Classic vs Word 365 even though the EXE in both cases is winword.exe.

Hope this helps,

Matthew

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 28 November 2018 15:14
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

 

On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 09:00 AM, JM Casey wrote:

The scripts would be loaded at program startup, I believe, not JAWS startup. I think it’s quite picky about it as well; in order for the scripts to load automatically they have to share the same name as the programme’s main executable.

Even with my limited knowledge I do know that your statement about a script loading when a program starts up is correct.  I had always wondered what the mechanism was for JAWS to be able to associate a script with a program, and based on what I saw yesterday your statement regarding a match between the JSS file prefix and the EXE file prefix makes perfect sense.  I'm sure someone else can verify.

I'm not the moderator, but I certainly hope this conversation will be permitted to continue.  There can be nothing more JAWS specific than how to tailor it to work with third party programs for which the existing JAWS configuration, sans scripts, simply does not work.  Even the casual JAWS user benefits by having some idea of the mechanisms needed to make certain "not off the shelf" programs accessible (or more accessible), even if they can't actually write scripts themselves.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Any Updated Research Developer material

Dennis Brown
 

 


Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

Mario
 

Matthew, yes, it's the restructuring of settings that's confusing me.
do you know if there is any documentation that details all that has been
done? I don't want to get too deep all at once, first understand what's
been done to try to understand the restructured behavior, especially for
the default scripts and when using scripts written by someone else.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Matthew Horspool [mailto:mhorspool@...]
Sent: Wed, Nov 28, 2018 9:17 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

Hi Mario,

Ah, yes, I see. It's been quite a while since I've done any significant
tinkering under the hood. I do know that some restructuring of settings
went on not so long ago but I don't know the details. You could probably
work them out, though, just by having a browse through your user
settings folder and, if that fails, the shared settings folder.

Is this the extent of your trouble or are there more serious issues
going on? I would say it should be OK to continue this thread on list as
there may be others with this problem, but if a mod feels differently I
will go with that.

Matthew





-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: 28 November 2018 13:47
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?



in regard to #2, that's what I want to understand. I am trying to figure
out how to implement the scripting method I developed for previous
versions of JAWS since version 11. now with 2018 and probably above, it
seems FS has changed how things are done in scripting. can someone help
if I email you offlist to explain further?







-------- Original Message --------

From: Matthew Horspool [mailto:mhorspool@...]

Sent: Wed, Nov 28, 2018 3:03 AM EST

To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?



Hi,



A few points to answer here:



1. To compile a script: as others have said, CTRL+S is the magic
keystroke. However, you need to be in the script manager to do this! To
get to the Script Manager, press JAWSKey+0. If you do this from within
the application for which the script was written and a JSS file for that
application is present in the user's settings directory, the correct
file should be loaded automatically. Simply ALT+F4 out of the Script
Manager after you receive the compiler success message.

2. Usually, the JSB (JAWS Script Binary) ends up in the same
place as the JSS (JAWS Script Source). The same does not always apply,
however, for JSD (JAWS Script Documentation), JSH (JAWS Script Header),
JSM (JAWS Script Messages), JKM (JAWS Key Map), JCF (JAWS Configuration
File), JDF (JAWS Dictionary File) and so on. This is because a file only
ends up in the user's settings directory if it is changed from the
default or otherwise put there. Usually a new JSB is created because the
JSS has been modified, so both files end up in the user directory even
when modifying stock scripts. However, if you are only modifying
existing scripts and the documentation, keymap, etc has not required an
update, the JSD file may never make it across.

3. Save without compile is useful if something has gone wrong in
your code which is causing the compiler to throw an error and you can't
figure out what. In such a case, you may wish to sleep on the problem
and come back to it next day.



HTH,



Matthew







-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Isaac

Sent: 28 November 2018 07:10

To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?







So, why would you save with out compiling?



----- Original Message -----



From: "ratshtron"

<northstarr1950@...<mailto:northstarr1950@...<mailto:northstarr1950@...%3cmailto:northstarr1950@...>>>



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Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 5:44 PM



Subject: Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?











to compile a jaws script, you must have the



script file loaded and you simply save the script



with any changes with ctrl plus s. to save



without compiling you use ctrl plus w. hope this helps.











Legend has it that on Tuesday 11/27/2018 05:21 PM, Brian Vogel said:



----------------------------------------



If anyone can point me to the instructions with



regard to compiling JAWS scripts I would



appreciate it. I have never found the



scripting documentation that I know of to be particularly useful.--







Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 Â







  Explanations exist; they have existed for



all time; there is always a well-known solution



to every human problem - neat, plausible, andd wrong.







     ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore







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Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

ratshtron
 

its very useful if you are working on a script
and for some reason it contains errors that
cannot be compiled and you hve to leave to do
something else. you then save your work with
compiling and can come back later to continue the work.


Legend has it that on Wednesday 11/28/2018 01:10 AM, Isaac said:
----------------------------------------
So, why would you save with out compiling?
----- Original Message ----- From: "ratshtron" <northstarr1950@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?


to compile a jaws script, you must have the
script file loaded and you simply save the script
with any changes with ctrl plus s. to save
without compiling you use ctrl plus w. hope this helps.


Legend has it that on Tuesday 11/27/2018 05:21 PM, Brian Vogel said:
----------------------------------------
If anyone can point me to the instructions with
regard to compiling JAWS scripts I would
appreciate it. I have never found the
scripting documentation that I know of to be particularly useful.--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 Â

  Explanations exist; they have existed for
all time; there is always a well-known solution
to every human problem - neat, plausible, andd wrong.

     ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore
----------------------------------------






----------------------------------------


Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

 

On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 09:00 AM, JM Casey wrote:
The scripts would be loaded at program startup, I believe, not JAWS startup. I think it’s quite picky about it as well; in order for the scripts to load automatically they have to share the same name as the programme’s main executable.
Even with my limited knowledge I do know that your statement about a script loading when a program starts up is correct.  I had always wondered what the mechanism was for JAWS to be able to associate a script with a program, and based on what I saw yesterday your statement regarding a match between the JSS file prefix and the EXE file prefix makes perfect sense.  I'm sure someone else can verify.

I'm not the moderator, but I certainly hope this conversation will be permitted to continue.  There can be nothing more JAWS specific than how to tailor it to work with third party programs for which the existing JAWS configuration, sans scripts, simply does not work.  Even the casual JAWS user benefits by having some idea of the mechanisms needed to make certain "not off the shelf" programs accessible (or more accessible), even if they can't actually write scripts themselves.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Jaws 18 and jaws 2018 Facebook

O.Addison Gethers
 

Hi Matthew Thanks for your response ,I wasn’t sure if www.facebook.com  is accessible with jaws because when I go on www.facebook.com  I noticed jaws was acted up on the page for some reason. So I did calls fs technical support about it she told me go to m.facebook.com where jaws is accessible better on it than regular facebook  for my u understanding that regular facebook  page have more features than m.facebook.com   page !! If you don’t mind writing me off list at  O.addisonGethers@... 

Addison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matthew Horspool
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 9:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 18 and jaws 2018 Facebook

 

Hello Addison,

I am not a Facebook expert so I did not jump into this thread straight away, thinking that perhaps someone else might have a more thorough answer. But yes, the regular facebook.com website is accessible with JAWS.

There shouldn't be any difference in notifications between regular Facebook and M Facebook, as far as I know. You will not get notified every time somebody posts as this is the purpose of the news feed.

I hope I have understood your questions correctly. I wouldn't usually point it out, but since you bring it up, your messages don't contain very much punctuation and the wording is not very clear, so it does take quite a while for me to process what you've said and then even longer to interpret it. If you could perhaps insert a few more full stops it might make things a little easier.

Best wishes,

Matthew

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: 28 November 2018 13:18
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 18 and jaws 2018 Facebook

 

Hello Is there anyone can helped me?If not then I don’t understand you all can helps other unless you all doesn’t understand me and not much experience on computer stuff and have not had much computer training . If I defend anyone feeling I’m sorry !!

Addison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 12:33 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws 18 and jaws 2018 Facebook

 

Hello All  Is jaws accessible to read on www.facebook.com  ? I have been using m.facebook.com  website  I’m having problem not receiving notifications page with the people who’s I’m following and like theirs page to receive theirs post on notification on m.facebook.com  I was wonder if I need to go to regular facebook website. I noticed on yesterday I went on lite.facebook.com website and heard some of the people that I’m follow is there but when I press enter on it jaws is little behave acts on the page. I really need some help here because I can’t use my mobile phone with hearing impairment not able to hear voiceover loud enough to understandit. I have desktop and laptop computer.

Addison

 

 

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Re: [Leasey] Potential Training Course: Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS for Windows.

David & his pack of dogs
 

I think it was just poor timing on my part. I was having trouble with setting up my website and someone offered to help me set things up.  Sadly his grammar in correspondence was so atrocious that it was hard to fathom him being a professional.  The idea from me was, if he paid such little attention to using a spell checker to check grammar and spelling, how much dedication would he have towards helping me and listening to my requirements. So, with Brian, I think with his responses being so quick and at times where people would be normally sleeping or getting up, I doubted the validity of his product. Or, to be blunt, I thought it was all a scam. Like I said, the timing was poor.  Also, I have become busy with my dog boarding and training so, have little time to take the power point course.  By the time I could take it, my brain would be to tired to take anything in anyway. Hopefully they will get enough interest to get it off the ground.  Maybe in a year I will be able to purchase the course but, more importantly have the time to listen to it with my brain not being to tired. Think of it this way, you are looking after a toddler and have to watch it all the time and ones around you are not making the area toddler safe even though they’ve been told too.      

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matthew Horspool
Sent: November 27, 2018 6:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Leasey] Potential Training Course: Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS for Windows.

 

Hi David,

I believe Brian works from home and is naturally awake very early in the morning (presumably due to non-24), so I guess he figured he'd use his time productively and take care of some work emails while things were quiet.

Obviously, if you're unhappy with the quality of the response you received you're under no obligation to continue doing business with Hartgen Consultancy, but I wouldn't not work with them just because of the time they happen to be awake.

Matthew

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: 27 November 2018 14:27
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Leasey] Potential Training Course: Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS for Windows.

 

I did not get a good feeling with the correspondence I received. The office is based in the U K, yet the times of the correspondence did not jive with U K time, for that matter U S either. If a office opens at 9 AM, why would one get correspondence at 5 AM?  Even allowing for time zones, that is still before the business opens. JMT.     

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: November 26, 2018 1:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Leasey] Potential Training Course: Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS for Windows.

 

Since I have to work with PPT and poor accessibility issues, I’ll be glad to participate, however, I cannot use Office 365 at Oracle, I must use a licensed copy which is currently Office2016.

 

From: David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2018 6:32 AM
To: JAWS Mailing List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: [Leasey] Potential Training Course: Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS for Windows.

 

The following message is from Brian Hartgen and was posted to the Leasey mailing list.

 





Several weeks ago, we were asked if a training course could be created to teach people how to use Microsoft PowerPoint with JAWS. People not only wanted to learn how to prepare visually appealing PowerPoint presentations, (including adding graphical images), but also how to add music or sound to them, run the presentations as slide shows and add or review Speakers Notes.

 

This training course has now been researched and it is possible this could be produced in January of 2019. Teaching this subject however is very high risk in a number of areas.

 

As blind people managing our small company, we will need to ensure that visual assistance is obtained so as to include visually appealing graphics of the required dimensions. But most importantly, it is our view that the support currently provided in terms of screen-reading with PowerPoint from Office 365 is simply not sufficient for what we need to do. Conveying this subject in easy to understand terms was always going to be tricky, but to do so when the access you will receive in this area has shortcomings is even more problematic.

 

A basic example would be accessing the Speakers Notes. These are notes or reminders to you, the person delivering the presentation, as to what you can say above and beyond what is stated in the slide the audience is viewing. There used to be a keystroke which would allow focus to be set to that area of the screen. This is no longer possible. Moreover, if you are using a Braille display, how are you going to read those notes without disturbing visual focus away from the application? A mechanism for listening to those notes also needs to be found. There are also a large number of other inaccessible areas which need some attention.

 

To that end, as with all our training courses, we would need please a commitment from anyone interested to make the project viable. This would allow for the delivery of the training course together with bringing the existing JAWS support up-to-date.

We have had a small number of people expressing an interest in this subject so far, but whether it goes ahead really does boil down to what kind of commitment we do receive.

 

The training course would be delivered over a four-hour period in January of 2019. It would include details of many aspects of creating presentations in an accessible way, identifying (as far as possible) whether the presentations were visually acceptable, navigating through slides, working with visual themes, using tables and bulleted lists, editing presentations, delivering your presentation to an audience, and more. A full course outline would be presented if the training course goes ahead.

 

If you would like to purchase this training course, please write to brian@.... We will then send to you an invoice for payment. Assuming we have enough committed people to make the course viable, then we will present the details formally on our website with a full course outline. The cost would be £50 which is currently $62. We would ideally need to hear from you by 7 December 2018 because that will give sufficient time for the JAWS scripting work to go ahead prior to the commencement of the training course in 2019.

 

If we do not receive a sufficient response, unfortunately we cannot take this project further because there are many hours of work ahead even before a training course of this magnitude can start to be prepared.

 

We very much look forward to hearing from anyone interested in what could be an interesting venture.

 

Brian Hartgen

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Re: Braille displays and italicized words

Matthew Horspool
 

Hi Ann,

Ah yes, this is a bit of a bug bear of mine. For some inexplicable reason, I have not found a screen reader that can do italics according to the rules of literary braille. JAWS can certainly show italics, but you will not get the old faithful italicised symbol/italicised word/italicised passage signs that you'll be used to from braille hard copy.

Instead, screen reader italics use dots 7 and 8 under the affected word(s). The setting to turn this on in JAWS is in Settings Centre/Braille/Braille Marking/Braille Marking. Note you may need to turn it on in both the Word and Default files.

HTH,

Matthew

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of ann
Sent: 28 November 2018 13:01
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Braille displays and italicized words

 

Hi folks,

 

 

I feel like this is a very basic question. And I also feel like I need some kind of basic braille display tutorial, too.

 

 

But I am still getting used to using a braille display with jaws.

 

 

I'm running the latest Jaws 2019 on a Windows 10 machine. When

reviewing/editing a word document, how can I get the braille display to

show when a word or passage is italicized? My input and output braille

settings are both set to Grade 2 braille, and my display for now is a

Braillepen 12 Touch, but I am hoping to get an Orbit Reader20 very soon.

 

 

Thanks,

 

~Ann

 

 

 


Re: question about best practices for note-taking and retrieval

Yates, Danney
 

Amy,
This is an interesting topic that, I too, have had to deal with. I have used a PacMate for a no. of ears and recently got it serviced, with what remaining parts FS still had available. I've tried using my IPhone with Bluetooth keyboard, but found editing on PacMate simpler for me.
I basically just set up folders with files, such as a "minutes" folder, with files contained for each of the recurring meetings and it works pretty well.
What actual device do you use in meetings to take your notes?
Danney




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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Amy Bower
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2018 6:10 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: question about best practices for note-taking and retreival

Hi - In my new job, I attend tons of meetings, have to take loads of notes, and from those notes, keep an active list of action items. There are many topics to keep track of, and when it gets real busy, I can lose track of everything on my plate. Wondering how other professionals deal with this kind of working situation. What I do now is keep several MS Word documents as notebooks. Each time I attend a meeting, I open the appropriate Word file, enter a new heading (easy to search for later with navigation quick keys) and then start taking notes. If something comes up that I need to get onto my to-do list, I put 3 asterisks there so I can search quickly for those items later, and transfer them to my to-do list. I'm finding though that when it gets busy, I don't always go back to the Word file and pull those to-do items out and add them to my task list (in Outlook).
I messed around this afternoon with OneNote, but didn't find it very user friendly with Jaws. Maybe I just don't know how to use it well. I've used it in the past with the OneNote Blind scripts, but found them problematic after a while and switched to the Word file notebook system above.
Any other apps or ideas for doing this kind of work with Jaws? Needs to be efficient and easy to learn.
Thanks.
-Amy


Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

Matthew Horspool
 

Hi Mario,

Ah, yes, I see. It's been quite a while since I've done any significant tinkering under the hood. I do know that some restructuring of settings went on not so long ago but I don't know the details. You could probably work them out, though, just by having a browse through your user settings folder and, if that fails, the shared settings folder.

Is this the extent of your trouble or are there more serious issues going on? I would say it should be OK to continue this thread on list as there may be others with this problem, but if a mod feels differently I will go with that.

Matthew

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: 28 November 2018 13:47
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

 

in regard to #2, that's what I want to understand. I am trying to figure out how to implement the scripting method I developed for previous versions of JAWS since version 11. now with 2018 and probably above, it seems FS has changed how things are done in scripting. can someone help if I email you offlist to explain further?

 

 

 

-------- Original Message --------

From: Matthew Horspool [mailto:mhorspool@...]

Sent: Wed, Nov 28, 2018 3:03 AM EST

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

 

Hi,

 

A few points to answer here:

 

    1.  To compile a script: as others have said, CTRL+S is the magic keystroke. However, you need to be in the script manager to do this! To get to the Script Manager, press JAWSKey+0. If you do this from within the application for which the script was written and a JSS file for that application is present in the user's settings directory, the correct file should be loaded automatically. Simply ALT+F4 out of the Script Manager after you receive the compiler success message.

    2.  Usually, the JSB (JAWS Script Binary) ends up in the same place as the JSS (JAWS Script Source). The same does not always apply, however, for JSD (JAWS Script Documentation), JSH (JAWS Script Header), JSM (JAWS Script Messages), JKM (JAWS Key Map), JCF (JAWS Configuration File), JDF (JAWS Dictionary File) and so on. This is because a file only ends up in the user's settings directory if it is changed from the default or otherwise put there. Usually a new JSB is created because the JSS has been modified, so both files end up in the user directory even when modifying stock scripts. However, if you are only modifying existing scripts and the documentation, keymap, etc has not required an update, the JSD file may never make it across.

    3.  Save without compile is useful if something has gone wrong in your code which is causing the compiler to throw an error and you can't figure out what. In such a case, you may wish to sleep on the problem and come back to it next day.

 

HTH,

 

Matthew

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Isaac

Sent: 28 November 2018 07:10

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

 

 

 

So, why would you save with out compiling?

 

----- Original Message -----

 

From: "ratshtron"

<northstarr1950@...<mailto:northstarr1950@...>>

 

To: <main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>>

 

Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 5:44 PM

 

Subject: Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

 

 

 

 

 

to compile a jaws script, you must have the

 

script file loaded and you simply save the script

 

with any changes with ctrl plus s. to save

 

without compiling you use ctrl plus w. hope this helps.

 

 

 

 

 

Legend has it that on Tuesday 11/27/2018 05:21 PM, Brian Vogel said:

 

----------------------------------------

 

If anyone can point me to the instructions with

 

regard to compiling JAWS scripts I would

 

appreciate it.  I have never found the

 

scripting documentation that I know of to be particularly useful.--

 

 

 

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 Â

 

 

 

   Explanations exist; they have existed for

 

all time; there is always a well-known solution

 

to every human problem - neat, plausible, andd wrong.

 

 

 

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

 

 

 

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Re: Jaws 18 and jaws 2018 Facebook

Matthew Horspool
 

Hello Addison,

I am not a Facebook expert so I did not jump into this thread straight away, thinking that perhaps someone else might have a more thorough answer. But yes, the regular facebook.com website is accessible with JAWS.

There shouldn't be any difference in notifications between regular Facebook and M Facebook, as far as I know. You will not get notified every time somebody posts as this is the purpose of the news feed.

I hope I have understood your questions correctly. I wouldn't usually point it out, but since you bring it up, your messages don't contain very much punctuation and the wording is not very clear, so it does take quite a while for me to process what you've said and then even longer to interpret it. If you could perhaps insert a few more full stops it might make things a little easier.

Best wishes,

Matthew

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: 28 November 2018 13:18
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 18 and jaws 2018 Facebook

 

Hello Is there anyone can helped me?If not then I don’t understand you all can helps other unless you all doesn’t understand me and not much experience on computer stuff and have not had much computer training . If I defend anyone feeling I’m sorry !!

Addison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 12:33 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws 18 and jaws 2018 Facebook

 

Hello All  Is jaws accessible to read on www.facebook.com  ? I have been using m.facebook.com  website  I’m having problem not receiving notifications page with the people who’s I’m following and like theirs page to receive theirs post on notification on m.facebook.com  I was wonder if I need to go to regular facebook website. I noticed on yesterday I went on lite.facebook.com website and heard some of the people that I’m follow is there but when I press enter on it jaws is little behave acts on the page. I really need some help here because I can’t use my mobile phone with hearing impairment not able to hear voiceover loud enough to understandit. I have desktop and laptop computer.

Addison

 

 

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Re: Vlc player and audio conversion

Mike
 

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 05:10 PM, Nino Dagostino wrote:
webex file to mp3 using vlc
Not sure, but search this string of text in Google: convert webex file mp3 vlc


Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

JM Casey
 

I don’t know a ton about this, but…..

 

The scripts would be loaded at program startup, I believe, not JAWS startup. I think it’s quite picky about it as well; in order for the scripts to load automatically they have to share the same name as the programme’s main executable. So, a lot of things could potentially stop an old script from working. Do the earlier JAWS versions + script still work with the client’s application?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November 27, 2018 4:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

 

Hello All,

           I've got a client who had a one-line JAWS script written years ago for a specific application she uses, and JAWS used to work with it in conjunction with that tweak.  I cannot, however, get JAWS 2018 or JAWS 2019 to do so, and I think I'm missing a step somewhere.

           I had thought JAWS scripts were interpreted and loaded by JAWS at startup time, but that does not appear to be the case (unless I'm doing something else wrong).

           I figure someone here should be able to guide me about how to get a pre-existing script moved along to a newer version of JAWS.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

Mario
 

in regard to #2, that's what I want to understand. I am trying to figure
out how to implement the scripting method I developed for previous
versions of JAWS since version 11. now with 2018 and probably above, it
seems FS has changed how things are done in scripting. can someone help
if I email you offlist to explain further?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Matthew Horspool [mailto:mhorspool@...]
Sent: Wed, Nov 28, 2018 3:03 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

Hi,

A few points to answer here:

1. To compile a script: as others have said, CTRL+S is the magic
keystroke. However, you need to be in the script manager to do this! To
get to the Script Manager, press JAWSKey+0. If you do this from within
the application for which the script was written and a JSS file for that
application is present in the user's settings directory, the correct
file should be loaded automatically. Simply ALT+F4 out of the Script
Manager after you receive the compiler success message.
2. Usually, the JSB (JAWS Script Binary) ends up in the same place
as the JSS (JAWS Script Source). The same does not always apply,
however, for JSD (JAWS Script Documentation), JSH (JAWS Script Header),
JSM (JAWS Script Messages), JKM (JAWS Key Map), JCF (JAWS Configuration
File), JDF (JAWS Dictionary File) and so on. This is because a file only
ends up in the user's settings directory if it is changed from the
default or otherwise put there. Usually a new JSB is created because the
JSS has been modified, so both files end up in the user directory even
when modifying stock scripts. However, if you are only modifying
existing scripts and the documentation, keymap, etc has not required an
update, the JSD file may never make it across.
3. Save without compile is useful if something has gone wrong in
your code which is causing the compiler to throw an error and you can't
figure out what. In such a case, you may wish to sleep on the problem
and come back to it next day.

HTH,

Matthew



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Isaac
Sent: 28 November 2018 07:10
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?



So, why would you save with out compiling?

----- Original Message -----

From: "ratshtron"
<northstarr1950@...<mailto:northstarr1950@...>>

To: <main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>>

Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 5:44 PM

Subject: Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?





to compile a jaws script, you must have the

script file loaded and you simply save the script

with any changes with ctrl plus s. to save

without compiling you use ctrl plus w. hope this helps.





Legend has it that on Tuesday 11/27/2018 05:21 PM, Brian Vogel said:

----------------------------------------

If anyone can point me to the instructions with

regard to compiling JAWS scripts I would

appreciate it. I have never found the

scripting documentation that I know of to be particularly useful.--



Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 Â



  Explanations exist; they have existed for

all time; there is always a well-known solution

to every human problem - neat, plausible, andd wrong.



     ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore



----------------------------------------


Re: Jaws 18 and jaws 2018 Facebook

O.Addison Gethers
 

Hello Is there anyone can helped me?If not then I don’t understand you all can helps other unless you all doesn’t understand me and not much experience on computer stuff and have not had much computer training . If I defend anyone feeling I’m sorry !!

Addison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 12:33 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws 18 and jaws 2018 Facebook

 

Hello All  Is jaws accessible to read on www.facebook.com  ? I have been using m.facebook.com  website  I’m having problem not receiving notifications page with the people who’s I’m following and like theirs page to receive theirs post on notification on m.facebook.com  I was wonder if I need to go to regular facebook website. I noticed on yesterday I went on lite.facebook.com website and heard some of the people that I’m follow is there but when I press enter on it jaws is little behave acts on the page. I really need some help here because I can’t use my mobile phone with hearing impairment not able to hear voiceover loud enough to understandit. I have desktop and laptop computer.

Addison

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com


Braille displays and italicized words

ann
 

Hi folks,


I feel like this is a very basic question. And I also feel like I need some kind of basic braille display tutorial, too.


But I am still getting used to using a braille display with jaws.


I'm running the latest Jaws 2019 on a Windows 10 machine. When reviewing/editing a word document, how can I get the braille display to show when a word or passage is italicized? My input and output braille settings are both set to Grade 2 braille, and my display for now is a Braillepen 12 Touch, but I am hoping to get an Orbit Reader20 very soon.


Thanks,

~Ann


Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

Matthew Horspool
 

Hi,

Roger is basically correct. However, there is a precedent for needing to recompile scripts between JAWS versions on a very occasional basis. This memorably happened when upgrading from JAWS 4.5 to 5.0 and I believe a similar thing happened around the JAWS 17 cycle. The scripts don't need to be re-written, but the compiler/interpreter architecture has changed somehow, so old but still valid source code needs to be recompiled in the new binary format.

Matthew

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger Newell
Sent: 28 November 2018 08:16
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

 

You write your scripts in a scripting language that is proprietary to JAWS and MAGic; it is not a programming language like C++, C# or Python.

 

Freedom Scientific occasionally introduces new functions (a scripting term, not a synonym for "features") to the Script Manager. They ocasionally change how small things work. But it is very, very unlikely that you would need to rewrite or recompile scripts for a newer version of JAWS, particularly if they are small script files.

 

On 11/28/18, Isaac <bigikemusic@...> wrote:

> So, is the scripting language constently beeing updated, if errors are

> found, and if so, do you have to re-compile scripts with a new version

> of the script editor?  Also, what language are scripts written in, c,

> c+ e t c?

>   ----- Original Message -----

>   From: Matthew Horspool

>   To: main@jfw.groups.io

>   Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 2:03 AM

>   Subject: Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

>   Hi,

>   A few points to answer here:

>     1.. To compile a script: as others have said, CTRL+S is the magic

> keystroke. However, you need to be in the script manager to do this!

> To get to the Script Manager, press JAWSKey+0. If you do this from

> within the application for which the script was written and a JSS file

> for that application is present in the user's settings directory, the

> correct file should be loaded automatically. Simply ALT+F4 out of the

> Script Manager after you receive the compiler success message.

>     2.. Usually, the JSB (JAWS Script Binary) ends up in the same

> place as the JSS (JAWS Script Source). The same does not always apply,

> however, for JSD (JAWS Script Documentation), JSH (JAWS Script

> Header), JSM (JAWS Script Messages), JKM (JAWS Key Map), JCF (JAWS

> Configuration File), JDF (JAWS Dictionary File) and so on. This is

> because a file only ends up in the user's settings directory if it is

> changed from the default or otherwise put there. Usually a new JSB is

> created because the JSS has been modified, so both files end up in the user directory even when modifying stock scripts.

> However, if you are only modifying existing scripts and the

> documentation, keymap, etc has not required an update, the JSD file

> may never make it across.

>     3.. Save without compile is useful if something has gone wrong in

> your code which is causing the compiler to throw an error and you

> can't figure out what. In such a case, you may wish to sleep on the

> problem and come back to it next day.

>   HTH,

>   Matthew

>   -----Original Message-----

>   From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Isaac

>   Sent: 28 November 2018 07:10

>   To: main@jfw.groups.io

>   Subject: Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

>   So, why would you save with out compiling?

>   ----- Original Message -----

>   From: "ratshtron" <northstarr1950@...>

>   To: <main@jfw.groups.io>

>   Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 5:44 PM

>   Subject: Re: JAWS Scripts - Are they interpreted or compiled?

>   to compile a jaws script, you must have the

>   script file loaded and you simply save the script

>   with any changes with ctrl plus s. to save

>   without compiling you use ctrl plus w. hope this helps.

>   Legend has it that on Tuesday 11/27/2018 05:21 PM, Brian Vogel said:

>   ----------------------------------------

>   >If anyone can point me to the instructions with

>   >regard to compiling JAWS scripts I would

>   >appreciate it.  I have never found the

>   >scripting documentation that I know of to be particularly useful.--

>   >

>   >Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 Â

>   >

>   >   Explanations exist; they have existed for

>   >all time; there is always a well-known solution

>   >to every human problem - neat, plausible, andd wrong.

>   >

>   >         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

>   >

>   ----------------------------------------

>