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Re: Protected files

Mario
 

Sharon, if you still cannot download Brian's document, try this link,
chances are this one will get you the document:
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B98uELZbPFnOSHIyWXUzRnFkdmc

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Sent: Fri, Nov 16, 2018 12:17 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Protected files

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 11:21 AM, Sharon wrote:


When I click this link, it says can’t reach this page.

Try again, and if you have any sort of blockers running you might want
to disable them first.  This is a direct link to an MS-Word document
that should, when activated, immediately cause a Save dialog to pop up
so that you can choose where you wish to save the file on your machine.

It's been accessed hundreds of times since I put it up, and when I click
through on it in a browser where I am not logged in with the Google
account that controls that Google Drive and document I still get the
Save dialog.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always
a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.*

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Cannot Edit text within a Cell Using JAWS 2019 and MS Excel 2016

Ann Byrne
 

The editing within a cell should *not be checked.

At 01:47 PM 11/16/2018, you wrote:
Hi!

In Excel 2016 using JAWS 2019, if I am on a cell with text in it I used to be able in earlier versions of Excel and JAWS to press F2 and navigate and edit such text like if I were in a normal text document, such as MS Word. Now, with JAWS 2019 and Excel 2016 when I try this nothing seems to happen. It seems like I do not go into edit mode.

I have checked the Excel option to allow editing directly within a cell. Likewise, I have unchecked the Excel option to auto complete formulas.

Has anyone else experienced this? Is there some solution?

Thanks,
Richard


Cannot Edit text within a Cell Using JAWS 2019 and MS Excel 2016

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi!

 

In Excel 2016 using JAWS 2019, if I am on a cell with text in it I used to be able in earlier versions of Excel and JAWS to press F2 and navigate and edit such text like if I were in a normal text document, such as MS Word.  Now, with JAWS 2019 and Excel 2016 when I try this nothing seems to happen.  It seems like I do not go into edit mode.

 

I have checked the Excel option to allow editing directly within a cell.  Likewise, I have unchecked the Excel option to auto complete formulas.

 

Has anyone else experienced this?  Is there some solution?

 

Thanks,

Richard


JAWS2018.1811.2 Update Download Links + What's New In This Release

Mike B. <mike9902@...>
 

Hi All,
 
Below are the download links for this new build, .1811.2, plus what's new in this release.
 
32 Bit:
 
 
64 Bit:
 
 
What's new in this release:
 
Enhancements in JAWS 2018.1811.2 (November 2018)
 
The following is a list of improvements made in JAWS 2018 between the August 2018 update and the November 2018 update.
 
list of 7 items
• Resolved an issue with JAWS double speaking links in PDF documents.
• The changes made in JAWS 2019 to address Audio Ducking issues with the latest Windows 10 updates are now also available in JAWS 2018.
• Resolved an issue where lines were sometimes repeated when using braille panning in some applications.
• When reading using Say All (INSERT+DOWN ARROW) in the Amazon Kindle app, addressed an issue where JAWS would unexpectedly stop reading after a few pages.
• Resolved an issue where Firefox would become unresponsive when navigating certain web pages with JAWS.
• In Chrome, resolved an issue where JAWS was not reading as expected in Google Sheets if Braille Mode was turned off.
• Added support for Google Slides film strip tree views.
list end
Take care.  Go Rams!
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Re: Searching for a JAWS-friendly email client

 

Sameer,

             You're quite welcome.   My only words of caution are that you now must do occasional web searches with regard to Windows Live Mail 2012 and security.  Eventually someone is either intentionally going to target it or, due to the fact that is is now unsupported, security holes will open up with time.   You may not decide to change clients even if this occurs, but at the very least you should try to keep yourself informed about any risks that crop up over time and whether they're tolerable to you or not.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Searching for a JAWS-friendly email client

Sameer
 

 
Dear List Friends,
 
I was able to install Windows Live Mail successfully on my computer yesterday. I used the installer sent by one of our list friends, Brian Vogel.
 
A big thanks to Brian for his help.
 
Regards
Mr. Sameer Latey
Mulund, Mumbai
 

From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 12:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Searching for a JAWS-friendly email client
 

But the big difference, and sometimes the deal-breaker, is that Thunderbird is free, and many people only want it if it's free.

On 11/14/2018 9:25 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

I notice that some people recommend Thunderbird as a JAWS-friendly email client. I have used this program for many years, initially with NVDA and now with JAWS 2019. While Thunderbird does technically work reasonably well with JAWS it does have its quirks which, while minor, may prove to be annoying for some users. I continue to use it because it's what I'm comfortable using. However, if I'm going to be honest I'd say that Outlook is really a better choice. JAWS not only supports it beautifully but it offers many ways to customize it in the quick settings dialog that you won't find when using Thunderbird.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com
On 11/14/2018 2:23 PM, Cristóbal wrote:

It’s probably a different strokes for different folks deal, but for me, I find using the favorites section for switching between inboxes much quicker and more convenient this way. I’ve never really liked the control plus y command. Much less if it’s a command I do countless times every single day.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 11:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Searching for a JAWS-friendly email client

 

 

I have that many as well and I hit control-y and the first letter of the account I want to check.

Maybe I should look at the favorites, but it is hard to imagine it makes things any easier.

Richard

 

 

"It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really good books which are your very own." __  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Nov 14, 2018, at 11:06 AM, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:

Folders. Convenient if you have multiple accounts configured. I’ve got four inboxes and two different draft folders in my Outlook 2016 favorites section.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 10:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Searching for a JAWS-friendly email client

 

I have never used the Favorites in Outlook 2016.

Are these Favorite contacts, or favorite folders?

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sameer
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 10:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Searching for a JAWS-friendly email client

 

 

I am unable to move to the Favourites list in Outlook 2016 by using the Tab key. So, I have to use the CTRL+Y keystroke to move from folder to folder. But my brother can see the folder list on screen & move through it with a mouse.

 

I am running JAWS 18 & Office 2016 on a Windows 10 desktop.

 

Regards

Mr. Sameer Latey,

Mumbai, India

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: 14 November 2018 01:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Searching for a JAWS-friendly email client

 

Hi,

  Mail, the Windows 10 app has limited JAWS useage but for a best client I would recommend Outlook , Thunderbird  as others have suggested.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sameer
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 12:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Searching for a JAWS-friendly email client

 

 

Dear List friends,

 

I was previously using Windows Live Mail 2012 with Windows 7 to check my emails. Now I have upgraded to Windows 10 & found that Windows Live Mail will not install on Windows 10.

 

I request you to kindly suggest me a basic JAWS-friendly email client which I can use to check my emails & which is compatible with Windows 10.

 

Thanking you all in advance for your kind assistance.

Regards

Mr. Sameer Latey,

Mumbai, India

 


Re: Protected files

 

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 11:21 AM, Sharon wrote:
When I click this link, it says can’t reach this page.
Try again, and if you have any sort of blockers running you might want to disable them first.  This is a direct link to an MS-Word document that should, when activated, immediately cause a Save dialog to pop up so that you can choose where you wish to save the file on your machine.

It's been accessed hundreds of times since I put it up, and when I click through on it in a browser where I am not logged in with the Google account that controls that Google Drive and document I still get the Save dialog.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Protected files

Sharon
 

When I click this link, it says can’t reach this page.

Sharon

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 9:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Protected files

 

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 09:19 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

NO, you don’t want to do that

We shall have to agree to disagree, and vigorously.   With the long past advent of scanning of e-mail messages and attachments by security suites the use of macros as an infection vector has virtually vanished.  Automatic protected mode in MS-Office is a major, major annoyance to anyone who only opens attachments from sources they know or trust.

Here are the instructions I wrote up with regard to turning it off:  

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Protected files

 

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 11:04 AM, Mario wrote:
it shouldn't be relied on that the "use of macros as an infection vector has virtually vanished"
It should if one is interested in accurate risk assessment.   Things change, and the use of Office documents as an infection vector became really ineffective decades ago.

One should also be following the practice of not opening any attachments that do not come from a trusted source.

I prefer to focus my security practices on probable issues, which is easy, rather than every remotely possible issue.  Some, like infection from office files from trusted sources, are so remote as to be virtually zero.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Protected files

Mario
 

I agree with Richard. what's the big deal with tabbing over to and
entering on the enable button as he suggests or press alt, f, i, e, instead.

as for Brian's reasoning and steps (forgive me Brian), it shouldn't be
relied on that the "use of macros as an infection vector has virtually
vanished" has disappeared forever. there is still the possibility of
malicious behavior triggered by macros. that's one reason why Office
programs occasionally receive security updates; to help thwart those
threats that may play part in a larger malicious infection.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Richard Turner [mailto:richardturner42@outlook.com]
Sent: Fri, Nov 16, 2018 9:52 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Protected files

Hi Brian,
No need to be vigorous about disagreeing. I work at a State office and
while the security systems are way more vigorous than what home users
have, some State employees insist on opening any attachment they get
without checking the actual source so I guess I inherited some of the
paranoia of the State IT folks. I don’t find it that big of an
annoyance even though I only open attachments from trusted sources, but
with all things techie, everyone has their own tolerance threshold.

Good instructions by the way.

Richard



“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip
under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 6:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Protected files

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 09:19 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
NO, you don’t want to do that
We shall have to agree to disagree, and vigorously. With the long past
advent of scanning of e-mail messages and attachments by security suites
the use of macros as an infection vector has virtually vanished.
Automatic protected mode in MS-Office is a major, major annoyance to
anyone who only opens attachments from sources they know or trust.

Here are the instructions I wrote up with regard to turning it off:

* Adjusting Protected View Settings in MS-Office
Programs<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Fuc%3Fexport%3Ddownload%26id%3D0B98uELZbPFnOSHIyWXUzRnFkdmc&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf1ce99e6905a42e141b708d64bcf7fe0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636779751900372573&sdata=4l0U9qTM5lFSL5IQ8yJ86FWgcfwueVcTwGN%2FXXKnLYY%3D&reserved=0>

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always
a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: curious about today's update for JAWS 2018

Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

People tend to complain about the JAWS company, whatever name it goes by, for their upgrade policies.  (Nobody has done so here at present.) So they have annual upgrades, but still make some efforts to maintain the experience of those who, for whatever reason, don’t or can’t upgrade.  So it is with this upgrade to 2018.

 

Thought-provoking reading: http://bahaiteachings.org

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 10:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: curious about today's update for JAWS 2018

 

The purpose is to improve the experience for people who are still using Jaws 2018 because they have for some reason not yet upgraded. This could be because they don't have an SMA left and currently can't afford or don't want to buy one or maybe they work at larger organisations where often such updates take longer. One of my best friends in Germany used to work at HP and each time he needed an update he had to go through a big application process to get HP to authorize it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 7:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: curious about today's update for JAWS 2018

 

Hi List,

 

I don’t remember ever getting an update the same month a new version of JAWS has been released. What’s up? Does anyone know the purpose of this update? In other words, what did it fix?

 

 

Shirley Tracy


Re: curious about today's update for JAWS 2018

 

The purpose is to improve the experience for people who are still using Jaws 2018 because they have for some reason not yet upgraded. This could be because they don't have an SMA left and currently can't afford or don't want to buy one or maybe they work at larger organisations where often such updates take longer. One of my best friends in Germany used to work at HP and each time he needed an update he had to go through a big application process to get HP to authorize it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 7:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: curious about today's update for JAWS 2018

 

Hi List,

 

I don’t remember ever getting an update the same month a new version of JAWS has been released. What’s up? Does anyone know the purpose of this update? In other words, what did it fix?

 

 

Shirley Tracy


curious about today's update for JAWS 2018

Shirley Tracy
 

Hi List,

 

I don’t remember ever getting an update the same month a new version of JAWS has been released. What’s up? Does anyone know the purpose of this update? In other words, what did it fix?

 

 

Shirley Tracy


Re: Protected files

Richard Turner
 

Hi Brian,

No need to be vigorous about disagreeing.  I work at a State office and while the security systems are way more vigorous than what home users have, some State employees insist on opening any attachment they get without checking the actual source so I guess I inherited some of the paranoia of the State IT folks.  I don’t find it that big of an annoyance even though I only open attachments from trusted sources, but with all things techie, everyone has their own tolerance threshold.

 

Good instructions by the way.

 

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 6:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Protected files

 

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 09:19 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

NO, you don’t want to do that

We shall have to agree to disagree, and vigorously.   With the long past advent of scanning of e-mail messages and attachments by security suites the use of macros as an infection vector has virtually vanished.  Automatic protected mode in MS-Office is a major, major annoyance to anyone who only opens attachments from sources they know or trust.

Here are the instructions I wrote up with regard to turning it off:  

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Question: Can JAWS Reverse Items Being Reported, as in "not checked, check box" instead of "check box, not checked"

Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

I looked in Setting Center for “state,” and I believe that at least one of the first two choices should do the trick. Read Item State First, and Read Window State First.

 

Dean

 

Thought-provoking reading: http://bahaiteachings.org

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 8:40 AM
To: JAWS Mailing List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Question: Can JAWS Reverse Items Being Reported, as in "not checked, check box" instead of "check box, not checked"

 

I thought JAWS had an option to reverse or change the order of items, such as whether you want to hear the control state first, as in "not checked, item, check box." I believe Window-eyes contained this feature and I thought that JAWS did as well but I can't seem to locate it in Settings Center.

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David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com


latest thunderbird and latest jaws

dennis
 

hi list... has anyone had the problem of jaws not reading the list of atachments when sending or receiving atachments? it says something like horisontal or something like that. it says the number of atachments in the list but won't read them.


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Re: Question: Can JAWS Reverse Items Being Reported, as in "not checked, check box" instead of "check box, not checked"

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Mike, that did the trick!! Many thanks for jogging my memory.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 11/16/2018 9:24 AM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi David,
 
Yes, you can.  Personally I find this settings change to work better by changing this setting per application instead of in the Settings Center default all applications.  Try the following:
1. Open the Settings Center, Insert / Jaws key + 6, on the number row and if you want to open Settings Center default all applications, press, Control, Shift + D, after opening the Settings Center.
2. Arrow down to, Text Processing closed, right arrow to open, arrow down to, General closed, and right arrow to open.
3. In here you have 17 items, your are interested in items 14, 15 and 16, depending on what you want to do.  When you get to these items tab 1 time to get a description of what the particular setting does.  For what you want, you would want to check number 16, Say Window State First, then tab to Okay, press enter to save and close.
Note:  Sometimes these settings changes don't work as advertised.
Take care.  Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
I type out everything I want to remember. That way instead of spending a lot of time trying to remember what it was, I spend the time looking for where I saved it!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 5:39 AM
Subject: Question: Can JAWS Reverse Items Being Reported, as in "not checked, check box" instead of "check box, not checked"

I thought JAWS had an option to reverse or change the order of items, such as whether you want to hear the control state first, as in "not checked, item, check box." I believe Window-eyes contained this feature and I thought that JAWS did as well but I can't seem to locate it in Settings Center.

--
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com


Re: Protected files

 

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 09:19 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
NO, you don’t want to do that
We shall have to agree to disagree, and vigorously.   With the long past advent of scanning of e-mail messages and attachments by security suites the use of macros as an infection vector has virtually vanished.  Automatic protected mode in MS-Office is a major, major annoyance to anyone who only opens attachments from sources they know or trust.

Here are the instructions I wrote up with regard to turning it off:    
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Question: Can JAWS Reverse Items Being Reported, as in "not checked, check box" instead of "check box, not checked"

Mike B. <mike9902@...>
 


Hi David,
 
Yes, you can.  Personally I find this settings change to work better by changing this setting per application instead of in the Settings Center default all applications.  Try the following:
1. Open the Settings Center, Insert / Jaws key + 6, on the number row and if you want to open Settings Center default all applications, press, Control, Shift + D, after opening the Settings Center.
2. Arrow down to, Text Processing closed, right arrow to open, arrow down to, General closed, and right arrow to open.
3. In here you have 17 items, your are interested in items 14, 15 and 16, depending on what you want to do.  When you get to these items tab 1 time to get a description of what the particular setting does.  For what you want, you would want to check number 16, Say Window State First, then tab to Okay, press enter to save and close.
Note:  Sometimes these settings changes don't work as advertised.
Take care.  Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
I type out everything I want to remember. That way instead of spending a lot of time trying to remember what it was, I spend the time looking for where I saved it!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 5:39 AM
Subject: Question: Can JAWS Reverse Items Being Reported, as in "not checked, check box" instead of "check box, not checked"

I thought JAWS had an option to reverse or change the order of items, such as whether you want to hear the control state first, as in "not checked, item, check box." I believe Window-eyes contained this feature and I thought that JAWS did as well but I can't seem to locate it in Settings Center.

--
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com


Re: Protected files

Richard Turner
 

NO, you don’t want to do that since it is a security feature so you are less likely to get a virus if you open a document with a macro built in that could really mess things up.

If it is from a trusted source, once the document is open, press f6 and listen for Be Careful, documents from the web may be dangerous.  Then tab to enable editing and press enter.

You can now edit and save it in an unprotected format.

 

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 5:59 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Protected files

 

Hello, I’m using Jaws2018 and Windows10. For the last month I get emails with attachments. I open the files and they are always in a protected mode. Is there something I need to turn off in Outlook2016?

 

Kevin