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Re: Protected files

Mario
 

I agree with Richard. what's the big deal with tabbing over to and
entering on the enable button as he suggests or press alt, f, i, e, instead.

as for Brian's reasoning and steps (forgive me Brian), it shouldn't be
relied on that the "use of macros as an infection vector has virtually
vanished" has disappeared forever. there is still the possibility of
malicious behavior triggered by macros. that's one reason why Office
programs occasionally receive security updates; to help thwart those
threats that may play part in a larger malicious infection.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Richard Turner [mailto:richardturner42@outlook.com]
Sent: Fri, Nov 16, 2018 9:52 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Protected files

Hi Brian,
No need to be vigorous about disagreeing. I work at a State office and
while the security systems are way more vigorous than what home users
have, some State employees insist on opening any attachment they get
without checking the actual source so I guess I inherited some of the
paranoia of the State IT folks. I don’t find it that big of an
annoyance even though I only open attachments from trusted sources, but
with all things techie, everyone has their own tolerance threshold.

Good instructions by the way.

Richard



“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip
under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 6:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Protected files

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 09:19 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
NO, you don’t want to do that
We shall have to agree to disagree, and vigorously. With the long past
advent of scanning of e-mail messages and attachments by security suites
the use of macros as an infection vector has virtually vanished.
Automatic protected mode in MS-Office is a major, major annoyance to
anyone who only opens attachments from sources they know or trust.

Here are the instructions I wrote up with regard to turning it off:

* Adjusting Protected View Settings in MS-Office
Programs<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Fuc%3Fexport%3Ddownload%26id%3D0B98uELZbPFnOSHIyWXUzRnFkdmc&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf1ce99e6905a42e141b708d64bcf7fe0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636779751900372573&sdata=4l0U9qTM5lFSL5IQ8yJ86FWgcfwueVcTwGN%2FXXKnLYY%3D&reserved=0>

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always
a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: curious about today's update for JAWS 2018

Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

People tend to complain about the JAWS company, whatever name it goes by, for their upgrade policies.  (Nobody has done so here at present.) So they have annual upgrades, but still make some efforts to maintain the experience of those who, for whatever reason, don’t or can’t upgrade.  So it is with this upgrade to 2018.

 

Thought-provoking reading: http://bahaiteachings.org

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 10:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: curious about today's update for JAWS 2018

 

The purpose is to improve the experience for people who are still using Jaws 2018 because they have for some reason not yet upgraded. This could be because they don't have an SMA left and currently can't afford or don't want to buy one or maybe they work at larger organisations where often such updates take longer. One of my best friends in Germany used to work at HP and each time he needed an update he had to go through a big application process to get HP to authorize it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 7:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: curious about today's update for JAWS 2018

 

Hi List,

 

I don’t remember ever getting an update the same month a new version of JAWS has been released. What’s up? Does anyone know the purpose of this update? In other words, what did it fix?

 

 

Shirley Tracy


Re: curious about today's update for JAWS 2018

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

The purpose is to improve the experience for people who are still using Jaws 2018 because they have for some reason not yet upgraded. This could be because they don't have an SMA left and currently can't afford or don't want to buy one or maybe they work at larger organisations where often such updates take longer. One of my best friends in Germany used to work at HP and each time he needed an update he had to go through a big application process to get HP to authorize it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 7:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: curious about today's update for JAWS 2018

 

Hi List,

 

I don’t remember ever getting an update the same month a new version of JAWS has been released. What’s up? Does anyone know the purpose of this update? In other words, what did it fix?

 

 

Shirley Tracy


curious about today's update for JAWS 2018

Shirley Tracy
 

Hi List,

 

I don’t remember ever getting an update the same month a new version of JAWS has been released. What’s up? Does anyone know the purpose of this update? In other words, what did it fix?

 

 

Shirley Tracy


Re: Protected files

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Hi Brian,

No need to be vigorous about disagreeing.  I work at a State office and while the security systems are way more vigorous than what home users have, some State employees insist on opening any attachment they get without checking the actual source so I guess I inherited some of the paranoia of the State IT folks.  I don’t find it that big of an annoyance even though I only open attachments from trusted sources, but with all things techie, everyone has their own tolerance threshold.

 

Good instructions by the way.

 

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 6:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Protected files

 

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 09:19 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

NO, you don’t want to do that

We shall have to agree to disagree, and vigorously.   With the long past advent of scanning of e-mail messages and attachments by security suites the use of macros as an infection vector has virtually vanished.  Automatic protected mode in MS-Office is a major, major annoyance to anyone who only opens attachments from sources they know or trust.

Here are the instructions I wrote up with regard to turning it off:  

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Question: Can JAWS Reverse Items Being Reported, as in "not checked, check box" instead of "check box, not checked"

Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

I looked in Setting Center for “state,” and I believe that at least one of the first two choices should do the trick. Read Item State First, and Read Window State First.

 

Dean

 

Thought-provoking reading: http://bahaiteachings.org

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 8:40 AM
To: JAWS Mailing List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Question: Can JAWS Reverse Items Being Reported, as in "not checked, check box" instead of "check box, not checked"

 

I thought JAWS had an option to reverse or change the order of items, such as whether you want to hear the control state first, as in "not checked, item, check box." I believe Window-eyes contained this feature and I thought that JAWS did as well but I can't seem to locate it in Settings Center.

--
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com


latest thunderbird and latest jaws

dennis
 

hi list... has anyone had the problem of jaws not reading the list of atachments when sending or receiving atachments? it says something like horisontal or something like that. it says the number of atachments in the list but won't read them.


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Re: Question: Can JAWS Reverse Items Being Reported, as in "not checked, check box" instead of "check box, not checked"

David Goldfield
 

Mike, that did the trick!! Many thanks for jogging my memory.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 11/16/2018 9:24 AM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi David,
 
Yes, you can.  Personally I find this settings change to work better by changing this setting per application instead of in the Settings Center default all applications.  Try the following:
1. Open the Settings Center, Insert / Jaws key + 6, on the number row and if you want to open Settings Center default all applications, press, Control, Shift + D, after opening the Settings Center.
2. Arrow down to, Text Processing closed, right arrow to open, arrow down to, General closed, and right arrow to open.
3. In here you have 17 items, your are interested in items 14, 15 and 16, depending on what you want to do.  When you get to these items tab 1 time to get a description of what the particular setting does.  For what you want, you would want to check number 16, Say Window State First, then tab to Okay, press enter to save and close.
Note:  Sometimes these settings changes don't work as advertised.
Take care.  Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
I type out everything I want to remember. That way instead of spending a lot of time trying to remember what it was, I spend the time looking for where I saved it!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 5:39 AM
Subject: Question: Can JAWS Reverse Items Being Reported, as in "not checked, check box" instead of "check box, not checked"

I thought JAWS had an option to reverse or change the order of items, such as whether you want to hear the control state first, as in "not checked, item, check box." I believe Window-eyes contained this feature and I thought that JAWS did as well but I can't seem to locate it in Settings Center.

--
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com


Re: Protected files

 

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 09:19 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
NO, you don’t want to do that
We shall have to agree to disagree, and vigorously.   With the long past advent of scanning of e-mail messages and attachments by security suites the use of macros as an infection vector has virtually vanished.  Automatic protected mode in MS-Office is a major, major annoyance to anyone who only opens attachments from sources they know or trust.

Here are the instructions I wrote up with regard to turning it off:    
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Question: Can JAWS Reverse Items Being Reported, as in "not checked, check box" instead of "check box, not checked"

Mike B. <mike9902@...>
 


Hi David,
 
Yes, you can.  Personally I find this settings change to work better by changing this setting per application instead of in the Settings Center default all applications.  Try the following:
1. Open the Settings Center, Insert / Jaws key + 6, on the number row and if you want to open Settings Center default all applications, press, Control, Shift + D, after opening the Settings Center.
2. Arrow down to, Text Processing closed, right arrow to open, arrow down to, General closed, and right arrow to open.
3. In here you have 17 items, your are interested in items 14, 15 and 16, depending on what you want to do.  When you get to these items tab 1 time to get a description of what the particular setting does.  For what you want, you would want to check number 16, Say Window State First, then tab to Okay, press enter to save and close.
Note:  Sometimes these settings changes don't work as advertised.
Take care.  Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
I type out everything I want to remember. That way instead of spending a lot of time trying to remember what it was, I spend the time looking for where I saved it!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 5:39 AM
Subject: Question: Can JAWS Reverse Items Being Reported, as in "not checked, check box" instead of "check box, not checked"

I thought JAWS had an option to reverse or change the order of items, such as whether you want to hear the control state first, as in "not checked, item, check box." I believe Window-eyes contained this feature and I thought that JAWS did as well but I can't seem to locate it in Settings Center.

--
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com


Re: Protected files

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

NO, you don’t want to do that since it is a security feature so you are less likely to get a virus if you open a document with a macro built in that could really mess things up.

If it is from a trusted source, once the document is open, press f6 and listen for Be Careful, documents from the web may be dangerous.  Then tab to enable editing and press enter.

You can now edit and save it in an unprotected format.

 

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 5:59 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Protected files

 

Hello, I’m using Jaws2018 and Windows10. For the last month I get emails with attachments. I open the files and they are always in a protected mode. Is there something I need to turn off in Outlook2016?

 

Kevin

 


Protected files

Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...>
 

Hello, I’m using Jaws2018 and Windows10. For the last month I get emails with attachments. I open the files and they are always in a protected mode. Is there something I need to turn off in Outlook2016?

 

Kevin

 


Question: Can JAWS Reverse Items Being Reported, as in "not checked, check box" instead of "check box, not checked"

David Goldfield
 

I thought JAWS had an option to reverse or change the order of items, such as whether you want to hear the control state first, as in "not checked, item, check box." I believe Window-eyes contained this feature and I thought that JAWS did as well but I can't seem to locate it in Settings Center.

--
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com


Re: Need Reminder About How to Merge Settings from J17 to J18

Matthew Horspool
 

Hi Mike and Dani,

The "Migrate Settings" option allows you to skip the export/import process. I don't know where JAWS 17 stands, but try the following in your JAWS 2018:

1.       From the JAWS window, press ALT+U for "Utilities". If JAWS is in the system tray, press JAWSKey+J, then U.

2.       Press I for "Import/Export", then M for "Migrate Settings …".

3.       You should land on a screen with a combo box of JAWS versions. If JAWS 17 is there, you're good to go! Press ENTER and let it do its thing. If not, or that screen doesn't appear, I'm afraid you're out of luck.

HTH,

Matthew

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: 15 November 2018 23:14
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Reminder About How to Merge Settings from J17 to J18

 

Hi Dani,

 

Merge settings was left out of Jaws 17.  Below is a FS note.

Unfortunately the merge utility is gone for now.
From the what’s new in jaws 17 page
 
“Merge Utility No Longer Available
 
Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process. This included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these changes,
the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from prior versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future which
will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our customers.”
Note:  Because the settings need to be exported  from 1 Jaws version first before they can be imported into a different Jaws version this is why you won't be able to merge your J17 settings into J18.

Take care.  Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool!
I type out everything I want to remember. That way instead of spending a lot of time trying to remember what it was, I
typed up, I spend the time looking for where I saved it!

----- Original Message -----

From: Dani Pagador

To: main

Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 2:05 PM

Subject: Need Reminder About How to Merge Settings from J17 to J18

 

Hi, Everyone.
I finally have my JFW2018 fully activated and need a reminder about
how to merge the settings in J17 with this version. I thought there
was a Merge command, but can't find it.

Thanks,
Dani


Re: uninstall

Michael Munn
 

Yes use the Add and remove program that provided with Windows10 to uninstall your Jaws. Make sure you do not select remove share component. 
Thanks for asking. 
Your question is not dumb.
Best regards 
Michael Munn 
Michael Munn
Member:
Virginia Association of Blind students 
Member:
Maryland Association of Blind Students 
Students of:
Hadley Institute of the Blind
Hadley 


On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 8:28 PM Stan Holdeman <sholdeman@...> wrote:

I want to keep jaws 2019 and 2018 bbut uninstall J 18. I do not find an uninstall feature in the J 18 program package. So then it is OK to just use the add/remove feature provided by Windows 10?

 

I think this is a dumb question, but I am going to ask it anyway just in case there is something I am not aware of.

 

Stan

 


Re: uninstall

Kevin Minor
 

Hi Stan.

 

I uninstalled JAWS 2018 using Windows 10.  I didn’t use programs and features, though.  I hit WINDOWS+I to get into settings, then looked for apps, found JAWS 2018, activated it, and uninstalled it.  As a side note, I didn’t remove shared components, and when I uninstalled JAWS this way my speech went away, and I had to hit WINDOWS+R and ran JAWS2019.  Worked well.

 

Have a blessed day and don’t work too hard.

Kevin Minor and the amazing Jilly, Lexington, KY


Re: uninstall

Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

Yes, just uninstall that older version, and keep the shared components.

 

 

 

Thought-provoking reading: http://bahaiteachings.org

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stan Holdeman
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 8:29 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: uninstall

 

I want to keep jaws 2019 and 2018 bbut uninstall J 18. I do not find an uninstall feature in the J 18 program package. So then it is OK to just use the add/remove feature provided by Windows 10?

 

I think this is a dumb question, but I am going to ask it anyway just in case there is something I am not aware of.

 

Stan

 


uninstall

Stan Holdeman
 

I want to keep jaws 2019 and 2018 bbut uninstall J 18. I do not find an uninstall feature in the J 18 program package. So then it is OK to just use the add/remove feature provided by Windows 10?

 

I think this is a dumb question, but I am going to ask it anyway just in case there is something I am not aware of.

 

Stan

 


Re: Need Reminder About How to Merge Settings from J17 to J18

Mike B. <mike9902@...>
 


Hi Dani,
 
Merge settings was left out of Jaws 17.  Below is a FS note.
Unfortunately the merge utility is gone for now.
From the what’s new in jaws 17 page
 
“Merge Utility No Longer Available
 
Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process. This included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these changes,
the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from prior versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future which
will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our customers.”
Note:  Because the settings need to be exported  from 1 Jaws version first before they can be imported into a different Jaws version this is why you won't be able to merge your J17 settings into J18.
Take care.  Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool!
I type out everything I want to remember. That way instead of spending a lot of time trying to remember what it was, I
typed up, I spend the time looking for where I saved it!

----- Original Message -----
To: main
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 2:05 PM
Subject: Need Reminder About How to Merge Settings from J17 to J18

Hi, Everyone.
I finally have my JFW2018 fully activated and need a reminder about
how to merge the settings in J17 with this version. I thought there
was a Merge command, but can't find it.

Thanks,
Dani



Need Reminder About How to Merge Settings from J17 to J18

Dani Pagador
 

Hi, Everyone.
I finally have my JFW2018 fully activated and need a reminder about
how to merge the settings in J17 with this version. I thought there
was a Merge command, but can't find it.

Thanks,
Dani