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Re: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

Richard Turner
 

You need the installer for the non-ESR version.  The ESR version will only update within that version.

I guess it is called Quantum?

 

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 6:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

 

Now thereby hangs another tale. Everybody tells me the latest FF is 63 something. Mine says 60.3.0, and no matter how many times I try to update it, I am told my Firefox is up to date.

On 11/11/2018 11:55 AM, Bill White wrote:

Hi, Steve. Which version of Firefox are you using? I am using Firefox Version 63.0.1.

 

When I press INSERT plus V, I get a search box. If I type in the first three letters, v i r, I get Virtual Cursor Options.

 

If you are in the U.S., and you’d like me to see what’s going on, you may call me.

 

714-835-6295

 

Thank you.

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

 

How can this be? My first option is Touch Cursor.

 

On 11/11/2018 9:25 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

I use Firefox and after hitting insert+v the first thing is virtual cursor options.

Win 10, latest Firefox.

 

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 5:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

 

Hi Steve,

 

I'm sorry for assuming that you're running IE11, I should of asked what browser you're running from the start.  If you're running Firefox or Chrome, I don't know about other browsers, but these 2 don't have the options in the quick settings I described.

 

Take care.  Mike.  Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 2:58 AM

Subject: Re: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

 

On 11/10/2018 1:54 PM, Mike B. wrote:

2. Arrow dow to, Virtual Cursor Options, and right arrow if it's closed.

 

There is no such option. Level 0 options are:

 

Touch cursor options

General options

Convenient OCR options

Reading options

Say All options

Editing options

Spelling options

Numbers options

 


Re: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

Steve Matzura
 

JAWS 2018.1808.10

Windows 10, 1803, build 17134.345

Firefox 60.3.0


On 11/11/2018 1:21 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Steve,
 
What version of Firefox and Jaws are you running?  Virtual Cursor options don't show in FF62 using Jaws 16, but it shows using Jaws 18 and newer.  In FF52 ESR the Virtual Cursor options do show using Jaws 16 & newer.  It doesn't hsow in Chrome no matter what version of Jaws is running.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

Yes, I am using Firefox. Ah, now that does put the kibosh on things now, doesn't it! I assumed--wrongly so, apparently--that Firefox would have this, too.


On 11/11/2018 8:22 AM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Steve,
 
I'm sorry for assuming that you're running IE11, I should of asked what browser you're running from the start.  If you're running Firefox or Chrome, I don't know about other browsers, but these 2 don't have the options in the quick settings I described.
 
Take care.  Mike.  Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 2:58 AM
Subject: Re: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

On 11/10/2018 1:54 PM, Mike B. wrote:
2. Arrow dow to, Virtual Cursor Options, and right arrow if it's closed.


There is no such option. Level 0 options are:


Touch cursor options

General options

Convenient OCR options

Reading options

Say All options

Editing options

Spelling options

Numbers options



Re: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

Steve Matzura
 

Ah-hah, 60.3.0 is an ESR? Interesting.OK then, I must have to do something to tell my FF to get off that ESR version and move on. What do I have to do to effect this change?

On 11/11/2018 1:44 PM, Mario wrote:
I am using JAWS2018 with Firefox ESR Version 60.3.0 but also have the
same issue with Google Chrome Version 70.0.3538.77.
and with Firefox Quantum Version 63.0.1, when I type virt in the quick
settings search, the only option that comes up is Virtual Ribbon Menu.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Sun, Nov 11, 2018 12:48 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

Hi, Mario. What versions of JAWS and Firefox are you using?

Thank you.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 9:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

Bill, do post if a solution was found because I tried and also don't
have the virtual option like Steve doesn't have.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Sun, Nov 11, 2018 11:55 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

Hi, Steve. Which version of Firefox are you using? I am using Firefox
Version 63.0.1.

When I press INSERT plus V, I get a search box. If I type in the first
three letters, v i r, I get Virtual Cursor Options.

If you are in the U.S., and you’d like me to see what’s going on, you
may call me.

714-835-6295

Thank you.
Bill White

<mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com> billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Matzura
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

How can this be? My first option is Touch Cursor.

On 11/11/2018 9:25 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
I use Firefox and after hitting insert+v the first thing is virtual
cursor options.
Win 10, latest Firefox.

Richard



“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip
under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 5:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

Hi Steve,

I'm sorry for assuming that you're running IE11, I should of asked what
browser you're running from the start. If you're running Firefox or
Chrome, I don't know about other browsers, but these 2 don't have the
options in the quick settings I described.

Take care. Mike. Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In
the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Matzura <mailto:number6@noisynotes.com>
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 2:58 AM
Subject: Re: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

On 11/10/2018 1:54 PM, Mike B. wrote:
2. Arrow dow to, Virtual Cursor Options, and right arrow if it's closed.

There is no such option. Level 0 options are:

Touch cursor options
General options
Convenient OCR options
Reading options
Say All options
Editing options
Spelling options
Numbers options


Re: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

Steve Matzura
 

Now thereby hangs another tale. Everybody tells me the latest FF is 63 something. Mine says 60.3.0, and no matter how many times I try to update it, I am told my Firefox is up to date.

On 11/11/2018 11:55 AM, Bill White wrote:

Hi, Steve. Which version of Firefox are you using? I am using Firefox Version 63.0.1.

 

When I press INSERT plus V, I get a search box. If I type in the first three letters, v i r, I get Virtual Cursor Options.

 

If you are in the U.S., and you’d like me to see what’s going on, you may call me.

 

714-835-6295

 

Thank you.

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

 

How can this be? My first option is Touch Cursor.

 

On 11/11/2018 9:25 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

I use Firefox and after hitting insert+v the first thing is virtual cursor options.

Win 10, latest Firefox.

 

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 5:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

 

Hi Steve,

 

I'm sorry for assuming that you're running IE11, I should of asked what browser you're running from the start.  If you're running Firefox or Chrome, I don't know about other browsers, but these 2 don't have the options in the quick settings I described.

 

Take care.  Mike.  Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 2:58 AM

Subject: Re: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

 

On 11/10/2018 1:54 PM, Mike B. wrote:

2. Arrow dow to, Virtual Cursor Options, and right arrow if it's closed.

 

There is no such option. Level 0 options are:

 

Touch cursor options

General options

Convenient OCR options

Reading options

Say All options

Editing options

Spelling options

Numbers options

 

_._,_._,_


Re: Is there a reason to not upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10?

Chris Hill
 

Sorry, you are half right.  You should not run a defrag on an ssd, but chkdsk is basically a read test and it will not hurt an ssd.  Have a look at this link:

https://askleo.com/should-i-run-chkdsk-on-my-ssd/


CH

On 11/12/2018 05:52, Dave Durber wrote:
Helloo Chris:
 
Do not run CHKDSK nor, Disk Defrragmenter on a solid state hard drive.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2018 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: Is there a reason to not upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10?

There can e lots of reasons for a computer to run slow.  I had slowness issues when i upgraded my old laptop to windows 10.  It wasn't exactly fast under windows 7 either, though.  I finally found the answer: a failing hard drive was the main issue.  Just because windows thinks the drive is okay doesn't mean you shouldn't do a chkdsk once in a while just to check things out.




On 11/9/2018 09:50, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

I have a refurbished computer that it was estimated ran windows 7 originally, now running windows 10. It does work, however, you could make and drink your coffee by the time JAWS loads up. It started with JAWS 18.  I now have a Mac Book pro that was built around 012.  It was converted to a windows 10 computer and it runs a lot faster. That is just my thoughts, yes a windows 7 can be upgraded to 10, you just might get frustrated with the slowness of the performance.     

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: November 9, 2018 3:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a reason to not upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10?

 

I'm running Windows 10 on older machines--2012 older anyway--and it works just fine. I haven't had one single problem since upgrading in February, 2017.

 

On 11/8/2018 2:05 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi,

 

I use a work computer which is still running Windows 7. We have now, finally, been given an opportunity to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10, with a no return to Windows 7 policy once upgraded.

 

Is there any reason to not upgrade to Windows 10? This will be an upgrade on an older computer, and not a replacement computer, if that would make a difference.

 

Using the latest JAWS.

 

Thanks in advance. Keith

 

 




Re: Is there a reason to not upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10?

Dave Durber
 

Helloo Chris:
 
Do not run CHKDSK nor, Disk Defrragmenter on a solid state hard drive.

 
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2018 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: Is there a reason to not upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10?

There can e lots of reasons for a computer to run slow.  I had slowness issues when i upgraded my old laptop to windows 10.  It wasn't exactly fast under windows 7 either, though.  I finally found the answer: a failing hard drive was the main issue.  Just because windows thinks the drive is okay doesn't mean you shouldn't do a chkdsk once in a while just to check things out.




On 11/9/2018 09:50, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

I have a refurbished computer that it was estimated ran windows 7 originally, now running windows 10. It does work, however, you could make and drink your coffee by the time JAWS loads up. It started with JAWS 18.  I now have a Mac Book pro that was built around 012.  It was converted to a windows 10 computer and it runs a lot faster. That is just my thoughts, yes a windows 7 can be upgraded to 10, you just might get frustrated with the slowness of the performance.     

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: November 9, 2018 3:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a reason to not upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10?

 

I'm running Windows 10 on older machines--2012 older anyway--and it works just fine. I haven't had one single problem since upgrading in February, 2017.

 

On 11/8/2018 2:05 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi,

 

I use a work computer which is still running Windows 7. We have now, finally, been given an opportunity to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10, with a no return to Windows 7 policy once upgraded.

 

Is there any reason to not upgrade to Windows 10? This will be an upgrade on an older computer, and not a replacement computer, if that would make a difference.

 

Using the latest JAWS.

 

Thanks in advance. Keith

 

 



"From" and "To" Not Spoken When Making a Large Selection in JAWS 2019 with MS Word 2016

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi!

 

In JAWS 2019 using MS Word 2016, when I make a large selection it does not say a short phrase of the “from” and “to” of the selection.  For example, if I selected an entire paragraph that started with “See spot run” and ended with “ball is blue,” these phrases used to be spoken as the “from” and “to” selection along with the total number of characters within the selection.  In earlier versions of MS Word and JAWS, this behavior was consistent, but not any longer in JAWS 2019 with MS Word 2016.

 

Is anyone else noticing this?  Has, or should, this been reported to the JAWS bug fix cue?

 

Thanks,

Richard


Re: entries in jaws dictionary

Matthew Horspool
 

Hi Mike,

With a rule such as you describe, the number 1 is part of the actual word but not part of the replacement word and so JAWS won't speak it.

To take an easier example: actual word dog; replacement word cat. This tells JAWS that, whenever it sees the word "dog", it should say "cat". Not "doccat" or "caddog", just "cat".

So, to make that rule do what you want, you would need: actual word [*1, replacement word official reporter page 1.

This is assuming that it worked as you described in the first place, which surprises me because, as others have said, the * is the wildcard character!

Matthew

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: 11 November 2018 16:52
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: entries in jaws dictionary

 

Yes, stars do appear in the document.

With each case read,

There are generally three reporters to which the case is published.

As I read, I will see something like:

[*123] this represents the official reporter; (this is what I am most interested in); [**123] this represents the highest unofficial reporter; [***123] this represents the second level unofficial reporter;

I think I tried to do what you said once, In that, I put an entry in like this:

Actual word: [*1 replacement word: "official reporter page"

All jaws did at that point, was to say "official reporter page" it did not read the actual word which would have been [*123].

I expected jaws to say "official reporter page" and then the page number which would be the actual word.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario

Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 11:40 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: entries in jaws dictionary

 

Mike, do asterisks (AKA stars) appear any where else within the document? if not, you can make an entry with the actual word as an asterisk and the replacement word as page number. the result should say page number followed by the actual page number in the document when ever JAWS reads all or if you need to edit.

 

 

 

-------- Original Message --------

From: Dave... [mailto:dgcarlson@...]

Sent: Sun, Nov 11, 2018 10:56 AM EST

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: entries in jaws dictionary

 

Mike,

 

No idea myself. I don't write scripts. I'm retired and only have time to do woodworking or trying to stay retired. Writing scripts sounds too much like programming, which I did plenty of when I was not retired.

 

 

Dave

Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: mike mcglashon

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 07:53

Subject: Re: entries in jaws dictionary

 

 

wow,

That’s out of my league.

How would a fellow even begin to do something like that?

 

 

 

 

contact information

Mike McGlashon

PH: 618-783-9331

Email: michael.mcglashon@...

 

 

 

On Nov 11, 2018, at 10:07 AM, Dave... <dgcarlson@...> wrote:

 

 

    Mike,

 

    Not sure that's possible with the JAWS Dictionary. And I think the asterisk is the wildcard character, and searching for that may not work.

Your solution might require writing a JAWS script for the application you're using to read these documents.

 

    Dave

    Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

    ----- Original Message -----

    From: mike mcglashon

    To: main@jfw.groups.io

    Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 06:58

    Subject: entries in jaws dictionary

 

 

    Hi guys:

 

 

 

    I have a question regarding dictionary entries in jaws, 2019;

 

    Here’s how it goes:

 

    When I read court cases;

 

    There are embedded page numbers within the case;

 

    For instance,

 

    A case might start on page 350 and go to 360;

 

    Within the case, as one reads, he will find [*350), [*351), [*352], etc up to [*360].

 

 

 

    What I would like to do,

 

    Is when jaws sees these page number strings, [*3, where [*3 is part of the string for [*351];

 

    I wish jaws to say, “official reporter page” and then the page numbers within the brackets;

 

    So, when jaws sees [*354], it will say “official reporter page 354”

 

    I tried making entries for this, but jaws will say “official reporter

   page” but it won’t say the page number within the brackets;

 

    How do I put in the wildcard within the replacement word box so that jaws will say “official reporter page” and yet still read the original word that it is on;

 

 

 

    Better yet, instead of having jaws say “official reporter page”, I

have it

make a sound and yet still read the string of original text?

 

 

 

    My goal is since I know that there is only one star (*) between the left

bracket and the beginning of the page number, I can make ten entries within

the dictionary,

 

    All that either say “official page reporter” and then the original

string

saying the page number itself,

 

    Or I can have jaws play a sound when it sees that string, and then still

say the actual word which is the page number of the reporter that I am on at

the time.

 

 

 

    I hope I haven’t confused anyone?

 

 

 

    Please advise as necessary.

 

 

 

    Mike m.

 

 

 

    Mike mcglashon

 

    Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

 

    Ph: 618 783 9331

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Why am I hearing Inverted cap i at 1 and other such distracting things in Jaws 2019

Larry Gassman <larrygassman@...>
 

by default it is set to clasic.
Mine still is.
Larry

At 10:26 AM 11/11/2018, you wrote:
Hi Larry & Richard,

Try checking what sound scheme you have running. The keystroke is, Insert / Jaws key, Alt + S. If it's not set on, Classic, try Classic to see if it helps.
Take care. Mike. Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:larrygassman@roadrunner.com>Larry Gassman
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 6:30 AM
Subject: Re: Why am I hearing Inverted cap i at 1 and other such distracting things in Jaws 2019

Not sure Richard. I hear it too, and was thinking
of exploring the dictionary manager to see if the
answer could be found in there.
But I haven't begun to explore yet.
Larry
At 10:37 AM 11/10/2018, you wrote:
Maybe an example will help explain my question
about Jaws saying inverted I in Jaws 2019.
In the Apple devices like iPhones the operating
system is written with a small I and then
capitalized OS, but Jaws is reading that as
"Inverted cap I at 1 iOS," when it starts a line.

Any ideas what the heck setting is causing this?

Richard


"Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been
and a spirt is a drip under pressure." - Bruce U. Utah Phillips

From: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
<<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2018 8:26 AM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Why am I hearing Inverted cap i at 1
and other such distracting things in Jaws 2019

In Jaws 2018 I don't hear things like this in
Outlook messages or Word documents.
In 2019 I do. I imported my settings over from 2018.

Any experienced Jaws users have an idea where that might be coming from?
Thanks,
Richard



"Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been
and a spirt is a drip under pressure." - Bruce U. Utah Phillips




Re: How does one start Microsoft Narrator at the Login Screen in Windows 10?

Richard Turner
 


Keith,
If you don't find the Narrator commands, write me off list and I'll send you a document of them.

Richard



"It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really good books which are your very own." __  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle 

On Nov 11, 2018, at 4:12 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Groups.Io <kramlinger.keith@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

A family member has given me permission to use her Windows 10 machine to see how I like it. It doesn’t have a screen reader on it at the moment. I have the Login info, but is there a way to turn on Narrator immediately after Powering it on, i.e., before logging in to the computer? She is travelling at the moment, and I don’t have sighted assistance here for a while.

 

Also, how can I review Narrator commands from my PC running JAWS before I attempt this on the Windows 10 machine?

 

Thanks in advance. Keith


Re: How does one start Microsoft Narrator at the Login Screen in Windows 10?

 

Hi Ann,

When Keith speaks about the logon screen I assume he means the password screen. If Windows Key+Control+Enter does not start Narrator then nothing else will either, what you describe first would require him to have entered the password to log in and get to the desktop.
Also, Windows Key+R for the Run command can be pressed anywhere if you are logged in, there is no need to first press Control+Escape which is exactly the same as pressing the Windows key anyways.
Lastly, you can go to the Run dialogue and type Narrator, but you can also simply press the Windows key to bring up the Windows search box and type Narrator and press enter to start it.
In most cases even typing the first 3 or 4 letters of Narrator will bring it up in the Windows search box and pressing enter will start it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 6:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How does one start Microsoft Narrator at the Login Screen in Windows 10?

Starting on the logon screen, the shortcut Windows+ctrl+enter will
work if it is set up, but not if it isn't. So if you try the
shortcut on the logon screen and nothing happens, try this:

1. Press ctrl+escape to get to the start menu.
2. Type Windows+r (run)
3. Type "narrator" and press enter.

Once you have Narrator running, tinker with the settings. Be sure
the 'use shortcut key' is checked. If you want narrator to start
automatically on the logon screen, check that setting. There is also
a setting to start Narrator automatically after logon, which can be checked.

The list of Narrator shortcut keys will display when you press capslock+f1.


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: How does one start Microsoft Narrator at the Login Screen in Windows 10?

Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
 

Thanks very much, Ann. I'll give this a try tomorrow.

Sieghard, I need to first use Narrator to get onto the computer, download and install the JAWS demo mode, before I can give JAWS a test run on Windows 10.

Thanks, Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: How does one start Microsoft Narrator at the Login Screen in Windows 10?

Starting on the logon screen, the shortcut Windows+ctrl+enter will
work if it is set up, but not if it isn't. So if you try the
shortcut on the logon screen and nothing happens, try this:

1. Press ctrl+escape to get to the start menu.
2. Type Windows+r (run)
3. Type "narrator" and press enter.

Once you have Narrator running, tinker with the settings. Be sure
the 'use shortcut key' is checked. If you want narrator to start
automatically on the logon screen, check that setting. There is also
a setting to start Narrator automatically after logon, which can be checked.

The list of Narrator shortcut keys will display when you press capslock+f1.


Re: How does one start Microsoft Narrator at the Login Screen in Windows 10?

Ann Byrne
 

Starting on the logon screen, the shortcut Windows+ctrl+enter will work if it is set up, but not if it isn't. So if you try the shortcut on the logon screen and nothing happens, try this:

1. Press ctrl+escape to get to the start menu.
2. Type Windows+r (run)
3. Type "narrator" and press enter.

Once you have Narrator running, tinker with the settings. Be sure the 'use shortcut key' is checked. If you want narrator to start automatically on the logon screen, check that setting. There is also a setting to start Narrator automatically after logon, which can be checked.

The list of Narrator shortcut keys will display when you press capslock+f1.


Re: JAWS 2019: JAWS often speaks version number when navigating or opening some dialogs

 

Is it possible Jaws actually crashes and reloads itself since you would hear the Jaws version at that time.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 4:36 PM
To: JAWS Mailing List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: JAWS 2019: JAWS often speaks version number when navigating or opening some dialogs

 

Hi. I'm using JAWS 2019 on Windows 10 Pro. At times when opening a JAWS dialog I often will hear JAWS announce the full version number of the JAWS program before I hear the prompt of the dialog which I am expecting. This version information is the same information you will hear if you open the JAWS window and press insert+up arrow to read the current line. It does not happen often and so it is very difficult to reproduce. Has anybody else noticed this issue?

 

--
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com


Re: How does one start Microsoft Narrator at the Login Screen in Windows 10?

 

If the PC has been upgraded to version 1809 before that update got pulled Narrator will offer you a tutorital after you start it. In case it has not yet been upgraded the Narrator experience will be quite different, Microsoft has made a lot of improvements in the 1809 version of Windows.

Of course in my opinion it still cannot be compared with the Jaws 2019 experience so whatever you get out of using this PC with Narrator maybe of limited value.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Chaffin
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 4:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How does one start Microsoft Narrator at the Login Screen in Windows 10?

 

 

control windows enter will start narrator.  This is a toggle keystroke, so the same keystroke will exit narrator.

 

HTH,

 

Chris

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On Nov 11, 2018, at 7:12 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Groups.Io <kramlinger.keith@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

A family member has given me permission to use her Windows 10 machine to see how I like it. It doesn’t have a screen reader on it at the moment. I have the Login info, but is there a way to turn on Narrator immediately after Powering it on, i.e., before logging in to the computer? She is travelling at the moment, and I don’t have sighted assistance here for a while.

 

Also, how can I review Narrator commands from my PC running JAWS before I attempt this on the Windows 10 machine?

 

Thanks in advance. Keith


Shortcut keys disappearing windows 10

Richard Turner
 

I’m cross posting this to the two Jaws groups.

 

After installing Jaws 2019, and as far as I know, that is the only change I have made, the shortcuts on my desktop like to Jaws, Outlook, Word, for which I had defined shortcut keys like control+alt+j, control+alt+w, etc., have stopped working.  When I right click on one and select properties, the shortcut key is no longer editable, so I cannot replace or repair them.

Windows 10 home 64 bit, Jaws 2019 and 2018. 

But, it seems to have happened after issues arose with Jaws 2019, which I am hoping is just a cowinkiedink, otherwise known as a coincidence.

.

Anyone else seen this and have a clue what to do?  I have tried searching the web and come up empty so far.

 

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 


Re: Two More Problems With Jaws 2019 and Outlook 2016

Tom Behler
 

Mike:

 

I can keep this suggestion in mind, but I am not just having problems with Word.

 

I’m also having similar reading issues with Outlook 2016, so I’m thinking this might be more of a Jaws issue than anything else.

 

I have written to Freedom Scientific Tech Support about this, so will see what they say.

 

If they give me any suggestions that solve the issue, I’ll definitely post to the list.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 1:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Two More Problems With Jaws 2019 and Outlook 2016

 

Hi Tom,

 

I don't know if this will help but, if you go into Word options/ Advanced tab and tab to, Disable hardware graphics acceleration check box, and if this unchecked, check it, tab to, okay, press enter to save / close.  Now, see if this helps any.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 6:48 AM

Subject: Re: Two More Problems With Jaws 2019 and Outlook 2016

 

Larry:

I tried these steps, and they wouldn't work for me.

However, I turned the preview pane off in Windows Explorer using another set
of steps from another list member, and was successful.

However, my problems with smooth reading of long Microsoft Word documents
and e-mails when using the insert numpad 2 command continues, and I have now
reported it to Freedom Scientific.

I also continue to have my issue of Jaws bogging down after message 30 in a
long listview of e-mail messages.

Once again, I'm using Jaws 2019, and Microsoft Word and Outlook 2016 with
Office 365 on this Windows 7 Dell Lattitude computer.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Gassman
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 9:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Two More Problems With Jaws 2019 and Outlook 2016

Tom,
I new I had this somewhere.
It worked for me.
Larry

Turning Off Preview Pane in Windows Explorer

1, Got to My computer,

2, alt+t=tools,

3, o=options,

4, shift+tab to general,

5, right arrow to view,

6, tab to the tree-view,

7, press the letter s=Show preview handlers in preview pane-On Press
spacebar to set to off, Now tab okay press enter.

Larry
At 12:39 PM 11/10/2018, you wrote:
>Yeah, Bill, I have Outlook 2016 here with Office 365.  This laptop is a
>windows 7 laptop.
>
>Hopefully, there's another way to turn off the preview pane, so I'll
>wait to see if someone else has the correct procedure.
>
>Tom Behler
>
>
>From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
>Sent: Friday, November 09, 2018 11:02 PM
>To: main@jfw.groups.io
>Subject: Re: Two More Problems With Jaws 2019 and Outlook 2016
>
>I don't know. Maybe these instructions don't work for your version of
Outlook.
>
>Bill White
>
><mailto:billwhite92701@...>billwhite92701@...
>
>From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
>Behler
>Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 7:36 PM
>To: main@jfw.groups.io
>Subject: Re: Two More Problems With Jaws 2019 and Outlook 2016
>
>Bill:
>
>In step 3, when I press Alt O for other settings, nothing happens.
>
>What am I missing?
>
>Thanks Bill and everyone for your patience.
>
>Tom Behler
>
>
>From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
>Sent: Friday, November 09, 2018 8:36 PM
>To: main@jfw.groups.io
>Subject: Re: Two More Problems With Jaws 2019 and Outlook 2016
>
>Hi, Tom. To turn off auto preview,
>
>1. Open Outlook.
>2. Press ALT plus V, followed by V.
>3. Press ALT plus O for Other Settings.
>4. TAB until you see a setting that reads:
>
>Auto Preview Off, and make sure it is checked.
>
>5. TAB to OK and press ENTER.
>6. If necessary, TAB again to OK, and press ENTER.
>
>Now Auto Preview should be turned off.
>
>Bill White
>
><mailto:billwhite92701@...>billwhite92701@...
>
>From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
>Behler
>Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 4:34 PM
>To: main@jfw.groups.io
>Subject: Re: Two More Problems With Jaws 2019 and Outlook 2016
>
>I just went into Jaws quick settings, and couldn't find an option to
>disable phoenetics.
>
>Am I not going to the right place?
>
>Tom Behler
>
>
>From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
>Sent: Friday, November 09, 2018 7:28 PM
>To: main@jfw.groups.io
>Subject: Re: Two More Problems With Jaws 2019 and Outlook 2016
>
>The phonetic thing is actually a new feature.
>It's meant to help out folks who may have hearing issues or would like
>a little more help with distinguishing between letters. This feature is
>also present in the iOS platform.
>You can go into Jaws settings and adjust the delay for when the
>phonetic pronunciation is spoken or disable it all together.
>The other thing, I have no idea.
>
>Cristóbal
>
>From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
>Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 4:22 PM
>To: 'jfw list' <jfw@groups.io>
>Subject: Two More Problems With Jaws 2019 and Outlook 2016
>
>Hello, again, everyone.
>
>I have discovered two more problems with Jaws
>2019 and Outlook 2016 on my Windows 7 laptop.
>
>When I use the insert numpad 2 command to read an entire message, Jaws
>skips parts of lines.  I can read the complete lines by arrowing down
>through the message, but, as you can imagine, this gets quite cumbersome.
>
>In addition, I have noticed that Jaws now gives phonetics for the first
>letter of a word when I navigate through a message that I'm composing,
>and I also notice that Jaws sometimes speaks the last character I type
>again after several seconds.
>
>I seem to recall someone else having similar issues but am not sure how
>or whether they got resolved.
>
>Thanks for any assistance.
>
>Tom Behler
>
>







Re: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Hi. I actually recall seeing this option while I was using Chrome. However, when I copied an entire article to the clipboard I was disappointed to see that the majority of the article was never copied, even though I had selected all of the desired text. I have been told that the only browser where this feature works reliably is Internet Explorer, which is not a browser that I would prefer to use.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 11/11/2018 8:22 AM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi Steve,
 
I'm sorry for assuming that you're running IE11, I should of asked what browser you're running from the start.  If you're running Firefox or Chrome, I don't know about other browsers, but these 2 don't have the options in the quick settings I described.
 
Take care.  Mike.  Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 2:58 AM
Subject: Re: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

On 11/10/2018 1:54 PM, Mike B. wrote:
2. Arrow dow to, Virtual Cursor Options, and right arrow if it's closed.


There is no such option. Level 0 options are:


Touch cursor options

General options

Convenient OCR options

Reading options

Say All options

Editing options

Spelling options

Numbers options



JAWS 2019: JAWS often speaks version number when navigating or opening some dialogs

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Hi. I'm using JAWS 2019 on Windows 10 Pro. At times when opening a JAWS dialog I often will hear JAWS announce the full version number of the JAWS program before I hear the prompt of the dialog which I am expecting. This version information is the same information you will hear if you open the JAWS window and press insert+up arrow to read the current line. It does not happen often and so it is very difficult to reproduce. Has anybody else noticed this issue?


--
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com


Odd Issue: JAWS 2019 Sound When Pressing Insert+Space Frequently Disappears

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Hello.

I am using JAWS 2019 with Windows 10 Pro. I am finding that the short sound which is heard when pressing insert+space frequently disappears. If I switch to another sound scheme or to another speech profile the problem seems to be fixed and the sound is once again heard. However, after a while it is no longer heard again and I need to switch profiles again in order for it to play. My default synthesizer is Eloquence. If I switch voice profiles to Microsoft Mobile the problem is fixed and it stays fixed for a while when I switch back to Eloquence. Has anybody else seen this behavior?

--
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com