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Re: How does one start Microsoft Narrator at the Login Screen in Windows 10?

Richard Turner
 


Keith,
If you don't find the Narrator commands, write me off list and I'll send you a document of them.

Richard



"It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really good books which are your very own." __  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle 

On Nov 11, 2018, at 4:12 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Groups.Io <kramlinger.keith@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

A family member has given me permission to use her Windows 10 machine to see how I like it. It doesn’t have a screen reader on it at the moment. I have the Login info, but is there a way to turn on Narrator immediately after Powering it on, i.e., before logging in to the computer? She is travelling at the moment, and I don’t have sighted assistance here for a while.

 

Also, how can I review Narrator commands from my PC running JAWS before I attempt this on the Windows 10 machine?

 

Thanks in advance. Keith


Re: How does one start Microsoft Narrator at the Login Screen in Windows 10?

 

Hi Ann,

When Keith speaks about the logon screen I assume he means the password screen. If Windows Key+Control+Enter does not start Narrator then nothing else will either, what you describe first would require him to have entered the password to log in and get to the desktop.
Also, Windows Key+R for the Run command can be pressed anywhere if you are logged in, there is no need to first press Control+Escape which is exactly the same as pressing the Windows key anyways.
Lastly, you can go to the Run dialogue and type Narrator, but you can also simply press the Windows key to bring up the Windows search box and type Narrator and press enter to start it.
In most cases even typing the first 3 or 4 letters of Narrator will bring it up in the Windows search box and pressing enter will start it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 6:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How does one start Microsoft Narrator at the Login Screen in Windows 10?

Starting on the logon screen, the shortcut Windows+ctrl+enter will
work if it is set up, but not if it isn't. So if you try the
shortcut on the logon screen and nothing happens, try this:

1. Press ctrl+escape to get to the start menu.
2. Type Windows+r (run)
3. Type "narrator" and press enter.

Once you have Narrator running, tinker with the settings. Be sure
the 'use shortcut key' is checked. If you want narrator to start
automatically on the logon screen, check that setting. There is also
a setting to start Narrator automatically after logon, which can be checked.

The list of Narrator shortcut keys will display when you press capslock+f1.


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: How does one start Microsoft Narrator at the Login Screen in Windows 10?

Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
 

Thanks very much, Ann. I'll give this a try tomorrow.

Sieghard, I need to first use Narrator to get onto the computer, download and install the JAWS demo mode, before I can give JAWS a test run on Windows 10.

Thanks, Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: How does one start Microsoft Narrator at the Login Screen in Windows 10?

Starting on the logon screen, the shortcut Windows+ctrl+enter will
work if it is set up, but not if it isn't. So if you try the
shortcut on the logon screen and nothing happens, try this:

1. Press ctrl+escape to get to the start menu.
2. Type Windows+r (run)
3. Type "narrator" and press enter.

Once you have Narrator running, tinker with the settings. Be sure
the 'use shortcut key' is checked. If you want narrator to start
automatically on the logon screen, check that setting. There is also
a setting to start Narrator automatically after logon, which can be checked.

The list of Narrator shortcut keys will display when you press capslock+f1.


Re: How does one start Microsoft Narrator at the Login Screen in Windows 10?

Ann Byrne
 

Starting on the logon screen, the shortcut Windows+ctrl+enter will work if it is set up, but not if it isn't. So if you try the shortcut on the logon screen and nothing happens, try this:

1. Press ctrl+escape to get to the start menu.
2. Type Windows+r (run)
3. Type "narrator" and press enter.

Once you have Narrator running, tinker with the settings. Be sure the 'use shortcut key' is checked. If you want narrator to start automatically on the logon screen, check that setting. There is also a setting to start Narrator automatically after logon, which can be checked.

The list of Narrator shortcut keys will display when you press capslock+f1.


Re: JAWS 2019: JAWS often speaks version number when navigating or opening some dialogs

 

Is it possible Jaws actually crashes and reloads itself since you would hear the Jaws version at that time.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 4:36 PM
To: JAWS Mailing List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: JAWS 2019: JAWS often speaks version number when navigating or opening some dialogs

 

Hi. I'm using JAWS 2019 on Windows 10 Pro. At times when opening a JAWS dialog I often will hear JAWS announce the full version number of the JAWS program before I hear the prompt of the dialog which I am expecting. This version information is the same information you will hear if you open the JAWS window and press insert+up arrow to read the current line. It does not happen often and so it is very difficult to reproduce. Has anybody else noticed this issue?

 

--
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com


Re: How does one start Microsoft Narrator at the Login Screen in Windows 10?

 

If the PC has been upgraded to version 1809 before that update got pulled Narrator will offer you a tutorital after you start it. In case it has not yet been upgraded the Narrator experience will be quite different, Microsoft has made a lot of improvements in the 1809 version of Windows.

Of course in my opinion it still cannot be compared with the Jaws 2019 experience so whatever you get out of using this PC with Narrator maybe of limited value.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Chaffin
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 4:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How does one start Microsoft Narrator at the Login Screen in Windows 10?

 

 

control windows enter will start narrator.  This is a toggle keystroke, so the same keystroke will exit narrator.

 

HTH,

 

Chris

,


On Nov 11, 2018, at 7:12 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Groups.Io <kramlinger.keith@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

A family member has given me permission to use her Windows 10 machine to see how I like it. It doesn’t have a screen reader on it at the moment. I have the Login info, but is there a way to turn on Narrator immediately after Powering it on, i.e., before logging in to the computer? She is travelling at the moment, and I don’t have sighted assistance here for a while.

 

Also, how can I review Narrator commands from my PC running JAWS before I attempt this on the Windows 10 machine?

 

Thanks in advance. Keith


Shortcut keys disappearing windows 10

Richard Turner
 

I’m cross posting this to the two Jaws groups.

 

After installing Jaws 2019, and as far as I know, that is the only change I have made, the shortcuts on my desktop like to Jaws, Outlook, Word, for which I had defined shortcut keys like control+alt+j, control+alt+w, etc., have stopped working.  When I right click on one and select properties, the shortcut key is no longer editable, so I cannot replace or repair them.

Windows 10 home 64 bit, Jaws 2019 and 2018. 

But, it seems to have happened after issues arose with Jaws 2019, which I am hoping is just a cowinkiedink, otherwise known as a coincidence.

.

Anyone else seen this and have a clue what to do?  I have tried searching the web and come up empty so far.

 

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 


Re: Two More Problems With Jaws 2019 and Outlook 2016

Tom Behler
 

Mike:

 

I can keep this suggestion in mind, but I am not just having problems with Word.

 

I’m also having similar reading issues with Outlook 2016, so I’m thinking this might be more of a Jaws issue than anything else.

 

I have written to Freedom Scientific Tech Support about this, so will see what they say.

 

If they give me any suggestions that solve the issue, I’ll definitely post to the list.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 1:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Two More Problems With Jaws 2019 and Outlook 2016

 

Hi Tom,

 

I don't know if this will help but, if you go into Word options/ Advanced tab and tab to, Disable hardware graphics acceleration check box, and if this unchecked, check it, tab to, okay, press enter to save / close.  Now, see if this helps any.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Rams!
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----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 6:48 AM

Subject: Re: Two More Problems With Jaws 2019 and Outlook 2016

 

Larry:

I tried these steps, and they wouldn't work for me.

However, I turned the preview pane off in Windows Explorer using another set
of steps from another list member, and was successful.

However, my problems with smooth reading of long Microsoft Word documents
and e-mails when using the insert numpad 2 command continues, and I have now
reported it to Freedom Scientific.

I also continue to have my issue of Jaws bogging down after message 30 in a
long listview of e-mail messages.

Once again, I'm using Jaws 2019, and Microsoft Word and Outlook 2016 with
Office 365 on this Windows 7 Dell Lattitude computer.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Gassman
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 9:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Two More Problems With Jaws 2019 and Outlook 2016

Tom,
I new I had this somewhere.
It worked for me.
Larry

Turning Off Preview Pane in Windows Explorer

1, Got to My computer,

2, alt+t=tools,

3, o=options,

4, shift+tab to general,

5, right arrow to view,

6, tab to the tree-view,

7, press the letter s=Show preview handlers in preview pane-On Press
spacebar to set to off, Now tab okay press enter.

Larry
At 12:39 PM 11/10/2018, you wrote:
>Yeah, Bill, I have Outlook 2016 here with Office 365.  This laptop is a
>windows 7 laptop.
>
>Hopefully, there's another way to turn off the preview pane, so I'll
>wait to see if someone else has the correct procedure.
>
>Tom Behler
>
>
>From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
>Sent: Friday, November 09, 2018 11:02 PM
>To: main@jfw.groups.io
>Subject: Re: Two More Problems With Jaws 2019 and Outlook 2016
>
>I don't know. Maybe these instructions don't work for your version of
Outlook.
>
>Bill White
>
><mailto:billwhite92701@...>billwhite92701@...
>
>From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
>Behler
>Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 7:36 PM
>To: main@jfw.groups.io
>Subject: Re: Two More Problems With Jaws 2019 and Outlook 2016
>
>Bill:
>
>In step 3, when I press Alt O for other settings, nothing happens.
>
>What am I missing?
>
>Thanks Bill and everyone for your patience.
>
>Tom Behler
>
>
>From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
>Sent: Friday, November 09, 2018 8:36 PM
>To: main@jfw.groups.io
>Subject: Re: Two More Problems With Jaws 2019 and Outlook 2016
>
>Hi, Tom. To turn off auto preview,
>
>1. Open Outlook.
>2. Press ALT plus V, followed by V.
>3. Press ALT plus O for Other Settings.
>4. TAB until you see a setting that reads:
>
>Auto Preview Off, and make sure it is checked.
>
>5. TAB to OK and press ENTER.
>6. If necessary, TAB again to OK, and press ENTER.
>
>Now Auto Preview should be turned off.
>
>Bill White
>
><mailto:billwhite92701@...>billwhite92701@...
>
>From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
>Behler
>Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 4:34 PM
>To: main@jfw.groups.io
>Subject: Re: Two More Problems With Jaws 2019 and Outlook 2016
>
>I just went into Jaws quick settings, and couldn't find an option to
>disable phoenetics.
>
>Am I not going to the right place?
>
>Tom Behler
>
>
>From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
>Sent: Friday, November 09, 2018 7:28 PM
>To: main@jfw.groups.io
>Subject: Re: Two More Problems With Jaws 2019 and Outlook 2016
>
>The phonetic thing is actually a new feature.
>It's meant to help out folks who may have hearing issues or would like
>a little more help with distinguishing between letters. This feature is
>also present in the iOS platform.
>You can go into Jaws settings and adjust the delay for when the
>phonetic pronunciation is spoken or disable it all together.
>The other thing, I have no idea.
>
>Cristóbal
>
>From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
>Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 4:22 PM
>To: 'jfw list' <jfw@groups.io>
>Subject: Two More Problems With Jaws 2019 and Outlook 2016
>
>Hello, again, everyone.
>
>I have discovered two more problems with Jaws
>2019 and Outlook 2016 on my Windows 7 laptop.
>
>When I use the insert numpad 2 command to read an entire message, Jaws
>skips parts of lines.  I can read the complete lines by arrowing down
>through the message, but, as you can imagine, this gets quite cumbersome.
>
>In addition, I have noticed that Jaws now gives phonetics for the first
>letter of a word when I navigate through a message that I'm composing,
>and I also notice that Jaws sometimes speaks the last character I type
>again after several seconds.
>
>I seem to recall someone else having similar issues but am not sure how
>or whether they got resolved.
>
>Thanks for any assistance.
>
>Tom Behler
>
>







Re: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Hi. I actually recall seeing this option while I was using Chrome. However, when I copied an entire article to the clipboard I was disappointed to see that the majority of the article was never copied, even though I had selected all of the desired text. I have been told that the only browser where this feature works reliably is Internet Explorer, which is not a browser that I would prefer to use.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 11/11/2018 8:22 AM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi Steve,
 
I'm sorry for assuming that you're running IE11, I should of asked what browser you're running from the start.  If you're running Firefox or Chrome, I don't know about other browsers, but these 2 don't have the options in the quick settings I described.
 
Take care.  Mike.  Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 2:58 AM
Subject: Re: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

On 11/10/2018 1:54 PM, Mike B. wrote:
2. Arrow dow to, Virtual Cursor Options, and right arrow if it's closed.


There is no such option. Level 0 options are:


Touch cursor options

General options

Convenient OCR options

Reading options

Say All options

Editing options

Spelling options

Numbers options



JAWS 2019: JAWS often speaks version number when navigating or opening some dialogs

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Hi. I'm using JAWS 2019 on Windows 10 Pro. At times when opening a JAWS dialog I often will hear JAWS announce the full version number of the JAWS program before I hear the prompt of the dialog which I am expecting. This version information is the same information you will hear if you open the JAWS window and press insert+up arrow to read the current line. It does not happen often and so it is very difficult to reproduce. Has anybody else noticed this issue?


--
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com


Odd Issue: JAWS 2019 Sound When Pressing Insert+Space Frequently Disappears

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Hello.

I am using JAWS 2019 with Windows 10 Pro. I am finding that the short sound which is heard when pressing insert+space frequently disappears. If I switch to another sound scheme or to another speech profile the problem seems to be fixed and the sound is once again heard. However, after a while it is no longer heard again and I need to switch profiles again in order for it to play. My default synthesizer is Eloquence. If I switch voice profiles to Microsoft Mobile the problem is fixed and it stays fixed for a while when I switch back to Eloquence. Has anybody else seen this behavior?

--
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com


Re: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

Richard Turner
 

IN Firefox 63.01 try having it open and just hitting insert+v.

Richard



“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 10:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

I am using JAWS2018 with Firefox ESR Version 60.3.0 but also have the same issue with Google Chrome Version 70.0.3538.77.
and with Firefox Quantum Version 63.0.1, when I type virt in the quick settings search, the only option that comes up is Virtual Ribbon Menu.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Sun, Nov 11, 2018 12:48 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

Hi, Mario. What versions of JAWS and Firefox are you using?

Thank you.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 9:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

Bill, do post if a solution was found because I tried and also don't have the virtual option like Steve doesn't have.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Sun, Nov 11, 2018 11:55 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

Hi, Steve. Which version of Firefox are you using? I am using Firefox Version 63.0.1.

When I press INSERT plus V, I get a search box. If I type in the first three letters, v i r, I get Virtual Cursor Options.

If you are in the U.S., and you’d like me to see what’s going on, you may call me.

714-835-6295

Thank you.
Bill White

<mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com> billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

How can this be? My first option is Touch Cursor.

On 11/11/2018 9:25 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
I use Firefox and after hitting insert+v the first thing is virtual cursor options.
Win 10, latest Firefox.

Richard



“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 5:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

Hi Steve,

I'm sorry for assuming that you're running IE11, I should of asked what browser you're running from the start. If you're running Firefox or Chrome, I don't know about other browsers, but these 2 don't have the options in the quick settings I described.

Take care. Mike. Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Matzura <mailto:number6@noisynotes.com>
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 2:58 AM
Subject: Re: Copying Portions of a Web Page Preserving Elements

On 11/10/2018 1:54 PM, Mike B. wrote:
2. Arrow dow to, Virtual Cursor Options, and right arrow if it's closed.

There is no such option. Level 0 options are:

Touch cursor options
General options
Convenient OCR options
Reading options
Say All options
Editing options
Spelling options
Numbers options















.


Re: How does one start Microsoft Narrator at the Login Screen in Windows 10?

Chris Chaffin
 


control windows enter will start narrator.  This is a toggle keystroke, so the same keystroke will exit narrator.

HTH,

Chris
,

On Nov 11, 2018, at 7:12 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Groups.Io <kramlinger.keith@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

A family member has given me permission to use her Windows 10 machine to see how I like it. It doesn’t have a screen reader on it at the moment. I have the Login info, but is there a way to turn on Narrator immediately after Powering it on, i.e., before logging in to the computer? She is travelling at the moment, and I don’t have sighted assistance here for a while.

 

Also, how can I review Narrator commands from my PC running JAWS before I attempt this on the Windows 10 machine?

 

Thanks in advance. Keith


How does one start Microsoft Narrator at the Login Screen in Windows 10?

Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
 

Hi,

 

A family member has given me permission to use her Windows 10 machine to see how I like it. It doesn’t have a screen reader on it at the moment. I have the Login info, but is there a way to turn on Narrator immediately after Powering it on, i.e., before logging in to the computer? She is travelling at the moment, and I don’t have sighted assistance here for a while.

 

Also, how can I review Narrator commands from my PC running JAWS before I attempt this on the Windows 10 machine?

 

Thanks in advance. Keith


contacting Jim Grimsby JR.

Mario
 

does anyone have the email address or phone number for Jim Grimsby Jr.?
the email I sent him using the address I have was rejected because it
wasn't found at the destination domain.


Re: How do I make the "pane" with the "resume reading" button go away in MS Word 2016?

Mike B. <mike9902@...>
 


Hi Richard,
 
See if this tip I found doing a search will help:

efault viewing mode in Word 2013, go to File → Options, and in Word Option dialog, un-check option “Open e-mail attachments and other uneditable files in reading view” under General section and Start up options. Click OK to save the change. And that's it.
 
 

Word 2013 Quick Tip: How To Disable Read Mode as Default View ...
 
 
 
 
Search for: How do I turn off Read Mode in Word?
 
 
 
 
 
How do you disable pick up where I left off?
Take care.  Mike.  Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: How do I make the "pane" with the "resume reading" button go away in MS Word 2016?

I Googled it but found no solution.  It is annoying.  Perhaps if you are *reading* a document it may be a good thing, as others have pointed out.  But, if you are *writing* a document as am I it is not a good thing.  There ought to be some sort of a way to terminate this!

 

The other Richard

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2018 5:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How do I make the "pane" with the "resume reading" button go away in MS Word 2016?

 

I just wait a moment and it goes away. I figured that was a "new feature" that is a tiny bit annoying since I usually don't want to resume reading. I have not checked to see if it is something to uncheck.

Have you googled it?

Richard

 

 

"It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really good books which are your very own." __  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle 


On Nov 10, 2018, at 2:14 AM, Richard B. McDonald <richardbmcdonald@...> wrote:

Hi!

 

In MS Word 2016 using JAWS 2019, when I open a document I can hear two “panes” opening.  As I F6 around, I hear when I go to the “document pane” (which I want) and also “pane” which has a button labeled “resume reading.”  I want to disable this latter pane with the “resume reading” button. In this particular document, it happens to have numerous headings and a few heading levels; so perhaps Word thinks it is some sort of an eBook that I am reading?  Whatever the case may be, how can I disable this?

 

Thanks,

Richard


Re: SMA vs. subscription pricing model

Don H
 

My hope is that Narrator and NVDA continue to get better and better and there will be no need for a Jaws SMA or sjubscription.


Re: SMA vs. subscription pricing model

netbat66
 

the $120 for the home version is a $60 discount. from november to december 31. after this it is $180 for 2 upgrades for the rest of the year.
i know. i tried to buy a s m a about 4 months ago. it said congradgilations you qualify for a $60 discount.
but when i got the email confirmation i was charged $180.
i had to email vfo and they told me the order pages were wrong and would be corrected and they gave me a $60 refund.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 11:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: SMA vs. subscription pricing model



It is unreasonable to believe or expect that SMA pricing stays the same forever. I don't even remember how long an SMA for Jaws Home has cost $120 for 2 major upgrades, but I wouldn't be surprised or blame Vispero if they announced that the cost for a 2-upgrade SMA would go up from $120 to $150 in which case it is not so far from the subscription pricing. I also would not be mad at Vispero if they announced in 2 or 3 years that all licenses are being converted to an annual subscription because it would be simpler to administer it especially if they also offer the same subscription in other countries and at basically the same cost after the currency exchange adjustment.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of R&J
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 5:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: SMA vs. subscription pricing model



If a brand new JAWS user purchases the product outright for $900 and pays $60 per year for an SMA for 30 years, he will have spent $1,800 on the SMA making the total cost $2,700.

If he pays $90 per year for 30 years the total cost is the same, however, the first method involves laying out $900 up front and one is losing the interest he could have earned on the original outlay.

As I have been using this product since the mid 80's, it is far more economical for me to keep the SMA current. If I were a new customer, I'd definitely go with the yearly license.

Ron


Re: SMA vs. subscription pricing model

 

And what if I have Jaws eyes in 30 years, I probably still have to pay for them *smile*

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 11:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: SMA vs. subscription pricing model

 

To even project numbers or assistive technology out 30 years . . . I mean come on. We’re not talking about a mortgage here. Who knows by that time, we could have the option to have technology implanted in our skulls or eyes or whatever bypassing machines all together.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 11:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: SMA vs. subscription pricing model

 

It is unreasonable to believe or expect that SMA pricing stays the same forever. I don't even remember how long an SMA for Jaws Home has cost $120 for 2 major upgrades, but I wouldn't be surprised or blame Vispero if they announced that the cost for a 2-upgrade SMA would go up from $120 to $150 in which case it is not so far from the subscription pricing. I also would not be mad at Vispero if they announced in 2 or 3 years that all licenses are being converted to an annual subscription because it would be simpler to administer it especially if they also offer the same subscription in other countries and at basically the same cost after the currency exchange adjustment.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of R&J
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 5:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: SMA vs. subscription pricing model

 

If a brand new JAWS user purchases the product outright for $900 and pays $60 per year for an SMA for 30 years, he will have spent $1,800 on the SMA making the total cost $2,700.

If he pays $90 per year for 30 years the total cost is the  same, however, the first method involves laying out $900 up  front and one is losing the interest he could have earned on the original outlay.

As I have been using this product since the mid 80's, it is far more economical for me to keep the SMA current.  If I were a new customer, I'd definitely go with the yearly license.

Ron


Re: SMA vs. subscription pricing model

Cristóbal
 

To even project numbers or assistive technology out 30 years . . . I mean come on. We’re not talking about a mortgage here. Who knows by that time, we could have the option to have technology implanted in our skulls or eyes or whatever bypassing machines all together.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 11:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: SMA vs. subscription pricing model

 

It is unreasonable to believe or expect that SMA pricing stays the same forever. I don't even remember how long an SMA for Jaws Home has cost $120 for 2 major upgrades, but I wouldn't be surprised or blame Vispero if they announced that the cost for a 2-upgrade SMA would go up from $120 to $150 in which case it is not so far from the subscription pricing. I also would not be mad at Vispero if they announced in 2 or 3 years that all licenses are being converted to an annual subscription because it would be simpler to administer it especially if they also offer the same subscription in other countries and at basically the same cost after the currency exchange adjustment.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of R&J
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 5:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: SMA vs. subscription pricing model

 

If a brand new JAWS user purchases the product outright for $900 and pays $60 per year for an SMA for 30 years, he will have spent $1,800 on the SMA making the total cost $2,700.

If he pays $90 per year for 30 years the total cost is the  same, however, the first method involves laying out $900 up  front and one is losing the interest he could have earned on the original outlay.

As I have been using this product since the mid 80's, it is far more economical for me to keep the SMA current.  If I were a new customer, I'd definitely go with the yearly license.

Ron