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Re: New Computer

netbat66
 

you don't need to open a context menu. and you can also use control i to open the same bookmark menu with only 2 keys.
when you get to the bookmark you want to delete just press the delete key on it. no context menu needed.

Try this:

1. Open Firefox.
2. Press CONTROL plus SHIFT plus B to open Bookmarks.
3. Navigate to the bookmark you wish to delete.
4. Press SHIFT plus F10, and arrow down to Delete.
5. Press ENTER.

That's it. The bookmark is deleted.

Deleting a bookmark from the standard bookmarks menu won't work, no matter how you attempt to delete it. You must open the Show All Bookmarks menu with CONTROL plus SHIFT plus B first, before bookmarks may be deleted, either with the Delete key, SHIFT plus F10, or Application key.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 9:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New Computer

Let me see if I can explain it better. Shift f10 won’t work if you are trying to right-click on a bookmark in the menu so you can get the context menu to delete it. That’s the only place I’ve ever found where it doesn’t work, but there it is.
On Nov 8, 2018, at 10:41, Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com> wrote:

Hi, Chris. I just checked, and in Firefox version 63, SHIFT plus F10 has the
same menus as Applications key.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 8:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New Computer

Most of the time except in firefox menus.
On Nov 8, 2018, at 10:33, Dave Durber <d.durber@gmail.com> wrote:

Pressing SHIFT+F10, is the same as pressing the Applications key.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimber Gardner"
<kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2018 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: New Computer


Just guessing here, but there may not be an application key at all. I
just bought a laptop that doesn't have one and it's going back to the
seller.

As for the function keys, they may be set to perform hardware
functions rather than the application specific functions you would
expect. I'm not sure how you would change that on an HP laptop. But
you can get the app specific function by holding down the FN key while
pressing the function keys.

I hope this helps.


On 11/8/18, Angie Goodnight <agoodnight@abilitycenter.org> wrote:
Good morning all,
I recently bought a new HP Laptop. I am having a couple of problems but
I
think it is me not the computer. Some of my shortcut keys are not
working
such as Insert F7 for links, or F7 for Spell Check. I cannot seem to
find
the application key where in the past it has always been two keys to the
right of the space bar. I have my keyboard set to laptop. I have had no
luck
trying to search these issues online. Any help would be greatly
appreciated!

Kind Regards,
Angie Goodnight





--
Kimberly











Re: New Computer

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Chris. I just tried SHIFT plus F10 in Bookmarks in Firefox, and deleted a bookmark.

Try this:

1. Open Firefox.
2. Press CONTROL plus SHIFT plus B to open Bookmarks.
3. Navigate to the bookmark you wish to delete.
4. Press SHIFT plus F10, and arrow down to Delete.
5. Press ENTER.

That's it. The bookmark is deleted.

Deleting a bookmark from the standard bookmarks menu won't work, no matter how you attempt to delete it. You must open the Show All Bookmarks menu with CONTROL plus SHIFT plus B first, before bookmarks may be deleted, either with the Delete key, SHIFT plus F10, or Application key.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 9:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New Computer

Let me see if I can explain it better. Shift f10 won’t work if you are trying to right-click on a bookmark in the menu so you can get the context menu to delete it. That’s the only place I’ve ever found where it doesn’t work, but there it is.
On Nov 8, 2018, at 10:41, Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com> wrote:

Hi, Chris. I just checked, and in Firefox version 63, SHIFT plus F10 has the
same menus as Applications key.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 8:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New Computer

Most of the time except in firefox menus.
On Nov 8, 2018, at 10:33, Dave Durber <d.durber@gmail.com> wrote:

Pressing SHIFT+F10, is the same as pressing the Applications key.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimber Gardner"
<kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2018 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: New Computer


Just guessing here, but there may not be an application key at all. I
just bought a laptop that doesn't have one and it's going back to the
seller.

As for the function keys, they may be set to perform hardware
functions rather than the application specific functions you would
expect. I'm not sure how you would change that on an HP laptop. But
you can get the app specific function by holding down the FN key while
pressing the function keys.

I hope this helps.


On 11/8/18, Angie Goodnight <agoodnight@abilitycenter.org> wrote:
Good morning all,
I recently bought a new HP Laptop. I am having a couple of problems but
I
think it is me not the computer. Some of my shortcut keys are not
working
such as Insert F7 for links, or F7 for Spell Check. I cannot seem to
find
the application key where in the past it has always been two keys to the
right of the space bar. I have my keyboard set to laptop. I have had no
luck
trying to search these issues online. Any help would be greatly
appreciated!

Kind Regards,
Angie Goodnight





--
Kimberly











Re: Ccleaner replacement

Vaughn Brown
 

Thank you Paul. That helped a lot.
Vaughn

On 11/7/18, paul lemm <paul.lemm@sky.com> wrote:
Hi,



Not a lot of people know that the built in windows disk cleanup as some
additional features which you can’t see when running disk clean up in the
usual way. The below options have been in windows I think since xp, maybe
even longer and its completely accessible with Jaws, I’ve always been
surprised that windows don’t add these options to their standard disk
cleanup tool, but I guess they are advance settings so don’t want the
average user deleting stuff they might later want. So that being said I
should probably point out to anyone using the extended disk cleaner settings
I mention below to only delete stuff you know you don’t want/need. So its
really easy to access just go to run and type the following



cleanmgr sageset:99



This brings up the standard disk cleanup interface but with more options
than just standard disk clean up. You select what you want it to clean up
and click ok, which closes the disk cleanup window, then go to run again and
then this time type the following to run disk cleanup with the settings you
just selected



cleanmgr sagerun:99



hope the above helps



Paul





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 07 November 2018 04:09
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Ccleaner replacement



Chris,

You are correct in your assessment of registry cleaners in
general, not just CCleaner's (which, at least, must be intentionally run as
it's not a part of default cleaning). I know of no one who's a "tech geek"
with any depth of experience who recommends using these.

For those that are looking for a comprehensive junk file cleaner
I'd suggest you take a look at Singular Labs' System Ninja
<https://singularlabs.com/software/system-ninja/> . I cannot swear that it
is accessible, but given both its interface style and its length of
remaining relatively unchanged I'd strongly suspect it will be. At any
rate, for personal use it's free so the readership here can certainly
download, assess accessibility, and report back.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

If you remove all the homosexuals and homosexual influences from what is
generally regarded as American culture, you are pretty much left with Let's
Make a Deal.

~ Fran Lebowitz







Re: Jaws and Very Large PDF documents

Jason White
 

Try the PDF reader that is built into current versions of Google Chrome. It
works better in many cases than Adobe Reader, in my experience.

Also, you could purchase and install ABBYY FineReader to convert the PDF files
into HTML or Microsoft Word format.

LAZZARI Ruth <ruth.lazzari@state.or.us> wrote:

Good Morning,

I am trying to assist a tax accountant who uses Jaws 2018 and Adobe Reader Pro 11 . She is often give pdf files that are up to 1000 pages to read and extract pages as necessary! While Jaws reads as normal for smaller documents, less than 500, at 1000+ we only get a Document Empty message. We know that the document has been OCR'd, in fact when we extract a page from the large document it works well. We have:
1) Tested this with NVDA as well as the Adobe Read Out Loud. We receive the same message.
2) Tried all of the Adobe reading settings, e.g. process one page at a time, read from left to right, raw stream, etc.
3) Ran Accessibility Checker which indicated that it indeed it is not an image
4) Checked the Adobe security settings, which indicates no protection at all.
5) Behaves the exact same way in Adobe Reader versus Pro.

I cannot test this document in Jaws 2019 because they are confidential tax documents, and at this time she does not have Jaws 2019 installed. (We are working on that now.)

If anyone has any ideas at all, we would truly appreciate it.

Thanks so much!

Ruth Lazzari, Assistive Technology Specialist
Oregon Commission for the Blind




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Re: New Computer

Chris Hill
 

Let me see if I can explain it better. Shift f10 won’t work if you are trying to right-click on a bookmark in the menu so you can get the context menu to delete it. That’s the only place I’ve ever found where it doesn’t work, but there it is.

On Nov 8, 2018, at 10:41, Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com> wrote:

Hi, Chris. I just checked, and in Firefox version 63, SHIFT plus F10 has the
same menus as Applications key.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 8:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New Computer

Most of the time except in firefox menus.
On Nov 8, 2018, at 10:33, Dave Durber <d.durber@gmail.com> wrote:

Pressing SHIFT+F10, is the same as pressing the Applications key.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimber Gardner"
<kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2018 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: New Computer


Just guessing here, but there may not be an application key at all. I
just bought a laptop that doesn't have one and it's going back to the
seller.

As for the function keys, they may be set to perform hardware
functions rather than the application specific functions you would
expect. I'm not sure how you would change that on an HP laptop. But
you can get the app specific function by holding down the FN key while
pressing the function keys.

I hope this helps.


On 11/8/18, Angie Goodnight <agoodnight@abilitycenter.org> wrote:
Good morning all,
I recently bought a new HP Laptop. I am having a couple of problems but
I
think it is me not the computer. Some of my shortcut keys are not
working
such as Insert F7 for links, or F7 for Spell Check. I cannot seem to
find
the application key where in the past it has always been two keys to the
right of the space bar. I have my keyboard set to laptop. I have had no
luck
trying to search these issues online. Any help would be greatly
appreciated!

Kind Regards,
Angie Goodnight





--
Kimberly











Re: New Jaws subscription plan, why US only?

Chris
 

America first!

 

From: Ron Pelletier
Sent: 08 November 2018 15:47
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New Jaws subscription plan, why US only?

 

Hi Nick and all,

 

In the US they love to identify themselves as America which is far from being correct. If they want to call themselves America, let them include all of North America. If they don't want to go overseas with this, due to language problems, that is their business but they should at least include all of North America in at least English which is the international language of computers.

 

Ron & Danvers

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos

Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2018 9:21 AM

To: jfw@groups.io

Subject: New Jaws subscription plan, why US only?

 

Hi all

I sent a message to FS support asking why the new Jaws yearly subscription plan is for US customers only, but I haven’t received any reply yet. Your thoughts on this?

 

As I see it, they are basically saying that us users outside the US don’t really require a more affordable way to purchase Jaws and that they are only giving this more affordable option to people in the US.

 

I’m also wondering what for example will stop me from simply using a friends US address when signing up for this plan. I doubt they’ll be monitoring where a user is located while using it, I think the only important thing to them is the address at sign up.

 

Nick

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Evaluating laptop keyboards for jaws functionality

Kimber Gardner
 

I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the tip.

On 11/8/18, netbat66 <netbat66@gmail.com> wrote:
i don't know if this would effect jaws. but be aware that some del and hp
computers do not have a numlock key so you can not turn the number pad off
to
use the jaws functions. you would have to use the laptop layout even with a

desktop keyboard.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2018 8:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Evaluating laptop keyboards for jaws functionality

I evaluate it by going to a computer store and putting my hands on it. This
is
one situation where ordering online can just be a less satisfying
experience.
Also, you mentioned you bought a 13 inch model, anything less than a 15 inch

laptop will never have as complete a keyboard just because it's not large
enough. There are plenty of 15 inch laptops out there which have full
keyboards
including a numeric pad. My Asus Zenbook has an application key, but I'm so

used to pressing Shift+F10 that I rarely use it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 3:56 AM
To: main <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Evaluating laptop keyboards for jaws functionality

Hi All,

How do jaws users evaluate a keyboard on a laptop you are considering?
I'm talking about the presence (or absence) of keys that are necessary
to the functionality of jaws commands.

I received a new Lenovo Ideapad and was dismayed to realize that the
keyboard is missing not only the applications key but also the
dedicated home, end, page up and page down keys. Strangely, my old
Lenovo, the one I am typing this message on, has all these keys so it
never occurred to me to try and verify that the new one would also.
But now I'm wondering, how do you check the keyboard specs when
ordering a new laptop that you haven't actually had your hands on?

Before someone suggests an external keyboard let me say that I require
the portability of a laptop that doesn't necessitate dragging around
an extra keyboard. I also don't really want to remap a bunch of keys
to accomplish everyday functions.

So what do people suggest? Do I really have to drag myself over to
microcenter or some other store so I can actually touch the laptop I'm
considering? Is there another way?

Thanks for your thoughts.

Kim

--
Kimberly









--
Kimberly


Re: Evaluating laptop keyboards for jaws functionality

netbat66
 

i don't know if this would effect jaws. but be aware that some del and hp computers do not have a numlock key so you can not turn the number pad off to use the jaws functions. you would have to use the laptop layout even with a desktop keyboard.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2018 8:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Evaluating laptop keyboards for jaws functionality

I evaluate it by going to a computer store and putting my hands on it. This is one situation where ordering online can just be a less satisfying experience.
Also, you mentioned you bought a 13 inch model, anything less than a 15 inch laptop will never have as complete a keyboard just because it's not large enough. There are plenty of 15 inch laptops out there which have full keyboards including a numeric pad. My Asus Zenbook has an application key, but I'm so used to pressing Shift+F10 that I rarely use it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 3:56 AM
To: main <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Evaluating laptop keyboards for jaws functionality

Hi All,

How do jaws users evaluate a keyboard on a laptop you are considering?
I'm talking about the presence (or absence) of keys that are necessary
to the functionality of jaws commands.

I received a new Lenovo Ideapad and was dismayed to realize that the
keyboard is missing not only the applications key but also the
dedicated home, end, page up and page down keys. Strangely, my old
Lenovo, the one I am typing this message on, has all these keys so it
never occurred to me to try and verify that the new one would also.
But now I'm wondering, how do you check the keyboard specs when
ordering a new laptop that you haven't actually had your hands on?

Before someone suggests an external keyboard let me say that I require
the portability of a laptop that doesn't necessitate dragging around
an extra keyboard. I also don't really want to remap a bunch of keys
to accomplish everyday functions.

So what do people suggest? Do I really have to drag myself over to
microcenter or some other store so I can actually touch the laptop I'm
considering? Is there another way?

Thanks for your thoughts.

Kim

--
Kimberly


Re: Evaluating laptop keyboards for jaws functionality

Kimber Gardner
 

The Asus ZenBook is one I'm considering. I can live with a 15 inch
model for the better keyboard. I don't carry my laptop around all that
often, but sometimes when I attend conferences the portability is
essential. So for those situations a good keyboard is a must.

Are you happy with the ZenBook overall?

On 11/8/18, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
I evaluate it by going to a computer store and putting my hands on it. This
is one situation where ordering online can just be a less satisfying
experience.
Also, you mentioned you bought a 13 inch model, anything less than a 15 inch
laptop will never have as complete a keyboard just because it's not large
enough. There are plenty of 15 inch laptops out there which have full
keyboards including a numeric pad. My Asus Zenbook has an application key,
but I'm so used to pressing Shift+F10 that I rarely use it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 3:56 AM
To: main <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Evaluating laptop keyboards for jaws functionality

Hi All,

How do jaws users evaluate a keyboard on a laptop you are considering?
I'm talking about the presence (or absence) of keys that are necessary
to the functionality of jaws commands.

I received a new Lenovo Ideapad and was dismayed to realize that the
keyboard is missing not only the applications key but also the
dedicated home, end, page up and page down keys. Strangely, my old
Lenovo, the one I am typing this message on, has all these keys so it
never occurred to me to try and verify that the new one would also.
But now I'm wondering, how do you check the keyboard specs when
ordering a new laptop that you haven't actually had your hands on?

Before someone suggests an external keyboard let me say that I require
the portability of a laptop that doesn't necessitate dragging around
an extra keyboard. I also don't really want to remap a bunch of keys
to accomplish everyday functions.

So what do people suggest? Do I really have to drag myself over to
microcenter or some other store so I can actually touch the laptop I'm
considering? Is there another way?

Thanks for your thoughts.

Kim

--
Kimberly






--
Kimberly


Re: New Computer

Cristóbal
 

My HP envy doesn't have this issue. From what I recall, I didn't have to go into the bios to change anything either when I first got it.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 8:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New Computer

And the Shift F10 combo on an HP sometimes requires the FN key as well ans sometimes not. That's probably my biggest issue with my HP laptop at home is sometimes the FN key is required and sometimes not. I often accidentally turn on airplane mode when trying to use JAWS F12 to check the time. I really do need to go get the bios changed.





-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 8:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New Computer

in case it's not too late, on a laptop, the use of a missing application key is usually achieved by pressing shift+f10.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Kimber Gardner [mailto:kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, Nov 8, 2018 7:55 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New Computer

Just guessing here, but there may not be an application key at all. I just bought a laptop that doesn't have one and it's going back to the seller.

As for the function keys, they may be set to perform hardware functions rather than the application specific functions you would expect. I'm not sure how you would change that on an HP laptop. But you can get the app specific function by holding down the FN key while pressing the function keys.

I hope this helps.


On 11/8/18, Angie Goodnight <agoodnight@abilitycenter.org> wrote:
Good morning all,
I recently bought a new HP Laptop. I am having a couple of problems but I think it is me not the computer. Some of my shortcut keys are not working such as Insert F7 for links, or F7 for Spell Check. I cannot seem to find the application key where in the past it has always been two keys to the right of the space bar. I have my keyboard set to laptop. I have had no luck trying to search these issues online. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Kind Regards,
Angie Goodnight













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Re: New Computer

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Chris. I just checked, and in Firefox version 63, SHIFT plus F10 has the
same menus as Applications key.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 8:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New Computer

Most of the time except in firefox menus.
On Nov 8, 2018, at 10:33, Dave Durber <d.durber@gmail.com> wrote:

Pressing SHIFT+F10, is the same as pressing the Applications key.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimber Gardner"
<kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2018 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: New Computer


Just guessing here, but there may not be an application key at all. I
just bought a laptop that doesn't have one and it's going back to the
seller.

As for the function keys, they may be set to perform hardware
functions rather than the application specific functions you would
expect. I'm not sure how you would change that on an HP laptop. But
you can get the app specific function by holding down the FN key while
pressing the function keys.

I hope this helps.


On 11/8/18, Angie Goodnight <agoodnight@abilitycenter.org> wrote:
Good morning all,
I recently bought a new HP Laptop. I am having a couple of problems but
I
think it is me not the computer. Some of my shortcut keys are not
working
such as Insert F7 for links, or F7 for Spell Check. I cannot seem to
find
the application key where in the past it has always been two keys to the
right of the space bar. I have my keyboard set to laptop. I have had no
luck
trying to search these issues online. Any help would be greatly
appreciated!

Kind Regards,
Angie Goodnight





--
Kimberly



Re: New Computer

Chris Hill
 

Most of the time except in firefox menus.

On Nov 8, 2018, at 10:33, Dave Durber <d.durber@gmail.com> wrote:

Pressing SHIFT+F10, is the same as pressing the Applications key.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2018 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: New Computer


Just guessing here, but there may not be an application key at all. I
just bought a laptop that doesn't have one and it's going back to the
seller.

As for the function keys, they may be set to perform hardware
functions rather than the application specific functions you would
expect. I'm not sure how you would change that on an HP laptop. But
you can get the app specific function by holding down the FN key while
pressing the function keys.

I hope this helps.


On 11/8/18, Angie Goodnight <agoodnight@abilitycenter.org> wrote:
Good morning all,
I recently bought a new HP Laptop. I am having a couple of problems but I
think it is me not the computer. Some of my shortcut keys are not working
such as Insert F7 for links, or F7 for Spell Check. I cannot seem to find
the application key where in the past it has always been two keys to the
right of the space bar. I have my keyboard set to laptop. I have had no luck
trying to search these issues online. Any help would be greatly
appreciated!

Kind Regards,
Angie Goodnight





--
Kimberly



Re: Jaws and Very Large PDF documents

Sharon
 

QRead

Handles huge files.

Sharon

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of LAZZARI Ruth
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 11:10 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws and Very Large PDF documents

 

Good Morning,

 

I am trying to assist a tax accountant who uses Jaws 2018 and Adobe Reader Pro 11 .  She is often give pdf files that are up to 1000 pages to read and extract pages as necessary!  While Jaws reads as normal for smaller documents, less than 500, at 1000+ we only get a Document Empty message.  We know that the document has been OCR’d, in fact when we extract a page from the large document it works well.  We have:

1.       Tested this with NVDA as well as the Adobe Read Out Loud.  We receive the same message.

2.       Tried all of the Adobe reading settings, e.g. process one page at a time, read from left to right, raw stream, etc.

3.       Ran Accessibility Checker which indicated that it indeed it is not an image

4.       Checked the Adobe security settings, which indicates no protection at all.

5.       Behaves the exact same way in Adobe Reader versus Pro.

 

I cannot test this document in Jaws 2019 because they are confidential tax documents, and at this time she does not have Jaws 2019 installed.  (We are working on that now.)

 

If anyone has any ideas at all, we would truly appreciate it. 

 

Thanks so much!

 

Ruth Lazzari, Assistive Technology Specialist

Oregon Commission for the Blind

 

 



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Re: Jaws and Very Large PDF documents

Chris Hill
 

Go to the source and get a different format. 




On Nov 8, 2018, at 10:10, LAZZARI Ruth <ruth.lazzari@...> wrote:

Good Morning,
 
I am trying to assist a tax accountant who uses Jaws 2018 and Adobe Reader Pro 11 .  She is often give pdf files that are up to 1000 pages to read and extract pages as necessary!  While Jaws reads as normal for smaller documents, less than 500, at 1000+ we only get a Document Empty message.  We know that the document has been OCR’d, in fact when we extract a page from the large document it works well.  We have:
  1. Tested this with NVDA as well as the Adobe Read Out Loud.  We receive the same message.
  2. Tried all of the Adobe reading settings, e.g. process one page at a time, read from left to right, raw stream, etc.
  3. Ran Accessibility Checker which indicated that it indeed it is not an image
  4. Checked the Adobe security settings, which indicates no protection at all.
  5. Behaves the exact same way in Adobe Reader versus Pro.
 
I cannot test this document in Jaws 2019 because they are confidential tax documents, and at this time she does not have Jaws 2019 installed.  (We are working on that now.)
 
If anyone has any ideas at all, we would truly appreciate it. 
 
Thanks so much!
 
Ruth Lazzari, Assistive Technology Specialist
Oregon Commission for the Blind
 
 


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Re: New Computer

Dave Durber
 

Pressing SHIFT+F10, is the same as pressing the Applications key.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2018 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: New Computer


Just guessing here, but there may not be an application key at all. I
just bought a laptop that doesn't have one and it's going back to the
seller.

As for the function keys, they may be set to perform hardware
functions rather than the application specific functions you would
expect. I'm not sure how you would change that on an HP laptop. But
you can get the app specific function by holding down the FN key while
pressing the function keys.

I hope this helps.


On 11/8/18, Angie Goodnight <agoodnight@abilitycenter.org> wrote:
Good morning all,
I recently bought a new HP Laptop. I am having a couple of problems but I
think it is me not the computer. Some of my shortcut keys are not working
such as Insert F7 for links, or F7 for Spell Check. I cannot seem to find
the application key where in the past it has always been two keys to the
right of the space bar. I have my keyboard set to laptop. I have had no luck
trying to search these issues online. Any help would be greatly
appreciated!

Kind Regards,
Angie Goodnight





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Re: Evaluating laptop keyboards for jaws functionality

Soronel Haetir
 

While I find an applications key incredibly nice I can get around
that, doing without the numpad would be much more troublesome.

A full-size regular US qwerty keyboard (but without function specific
keys like volume up/down) has 102 or 103 keys.

On 11/8/18, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
I evaluate it by going to a computer store and putting my hands on it. This
is one situation where ordering online can just be a less satisfying
experience.
Also, you mentioned you bought a 13 inch model, anything less than a 15 inch
laptop will never have as complete a keyboard just because it's not large
enough. There are plenty of 15 inch laptops out there which have full
keyboards including a numeric pad. My Asus Zenbook has an application key,
but I'm so used to pressing Shift+F10 that I rarely use it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 3:56 AM
To: main <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Evaluating laptop keyboards for jaws functionality

Hi All,

How do jaws users evaluate a keyboard on a laptop you are considering?
I'm talking about the presence (or absence) of keys that are necessary
to the functionality of jaws commands.

I received a new Lenovo Ideapad and was dismayed to realize that the
keyboard is missing not only the applications key but also the
dedicated home, end, page up and page down keys. Strangely, my old
Lenovo, the one I am typing this message on, has all these keys so it
never occurred to me to try and verify that the new one would also.
But now I'm wondering, how do you check the keyboard specs when
ordering a new laptop that you haven't actually had your hands on?

Before someone suggests an external keyboard let me say that I require
the portability of a laptop that doesn't necessitate dragging around
an extra keyboard. I also don't really want to remap a bunch of keys
to accomplish everyday functions.

So what do people suggest? Do I really have to drag myself over to
microcenter or some other store so I can actually touch the laptop I'm
considering? Is there another way?

Thanks for your thoughts.

Kim

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Re: New Computer

Van Lant, Robin
 

And the Shift F10 combo on an HP sometimes requires the FN key as well ans sometimes not. That's probably my biggest issue with my HP laptop at home is sometimes the FN key is required and sometimes not. I often accidentally turn on airplane mode when trying to use JAWS F12 to check the time. I really do need to go get the bios changed.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 8:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New Computer

in case it's not too late, on a laptop, the use of a missing application key is usually achieved by pressing shift+f10.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Kimber Gardner [mailto:kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, Nov 8, 2018 7:55 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New Computer

Just guessing here, but there may not be an application key at all. I
just bought a laptop that doesn't have one and it's going back to the
seller.

As for the function keys, they may be set to perform hardware
functions rather than the application specific functions you would
expect. I'm not sure how you would change that on an HP laptop. But
you can get the app specific function by holding down the FN key while
pressing the function keys.

I hope this helps.


On 11/8/18, Angie Goodnight <agoodnight@abilitycenter.org> wrote:
Good morning all,
I recently bought a new HP Laptop. I am having a couple of problems but I
think it is me not the computer. Some of my shortcut keys are not working
such as Insert F7 for links, or F7 for Spell Check. I cannot seem to find
the application key where in the past it has always been two keys to the
right of the space bar. I have my keyboard set to laptop. I have had no luck
trying to search these issues online. Any help would be greatly
appreciated!

Kind Regards,
Angie Goodnight













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Re: Evaluating laptop keyboards for jaws functionality

 

I evaluate it by going to a computer store and putting my hands on it. This is one situation where ordering online can just be a less satisfying experience.
Also, you mentioned you bought a 13 inch model, anything less than a 15 inch laptop will never have as complete a keyboard just because it's not large enough. There are plenty of 15 inch laptops out there which have full keyboards including a numeric pad. My Asus Zenbook has an application key, but I'm so used to pressing Shift+F10 that I rarely use it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 3:56 AM
To: main <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Evaluating laptop keyboards for jaws functionality

Hi All,

How do jaws users evaluate a keyboard on a laptop you are considering?
I'm talking about the presence (or absence) of keys that are necessary
to the functionality of jaws commands.

I received a new Lenovo Ideapad and was dismayed to realize that the
keyboard is missing not only the applications key but also the
dedicated home, end, page up and page down keys. Strangely, my old
Lenovo, the one I am typing this message on, has all these keys so it
never occurred to me to try and verify that the new one would also.
But now I'm wondering, how do you check the keyboard specs when
ordering a new laptop that you haven't actually had your hands on?

Before someone suggests an external keyboard let me say that I require
the portability of a laptop that doesn't necessitate dragging around
an extra keyboard. I also don't really want to remap a bunch of keys
to accomplish everyday functions.

So what do people suggest? Do I really have to drag myself over to
microcenter or some other store so I can actually touch the laptop I'm
considering? Is there another way?

Thanks for your thoughts.

Kim

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Re: New Jaws subscription plan, why US only?

 

Hi Ron,

I beg to differ, for the US to call themselves America that is to me no problem, after all, we call them "Americans" not US'ers" or "United Statelers" and
Also, if you feel they should include Canada in America because we are part of North America then how about all the countries of central amd South America, that is still America or the American continent.
Furthermore, there are plenty of places overseas where English is the primary language, e.g. England, Australia, New Zealand.
Let's just let them figure it out, I'm sure if a subscription-based model is what Vispero wants to move to it will be offered here in Canada and elsewhere in due time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Pelletier
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 7:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New Jaws subscription plan, why US only?

Hi Nick and all,

In the US they love to identify themselves as America which is far from being correct. If they want to call themselves America, let them include all of North America. If they don't want to go overseas with this, due to language problems, that is their business but they should at least include all of North America in at least English which is the international language of computers.

Ron & Danvers




-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2018 9:21 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: New Jaws subscription plan, why US only?

Hi all
I sent a message to FS support asking why the new Jaws yearly subscription plan is for US customers only, but I haven’t received any reply yet. Your thoughts on this?

As I see it, they are basically saying that us users outside the US don’t really require a more affordable way to purchase Jaws and that they are only giving this more affordable option to people in the US.

I’m also wondering what for example will stop me from simply using a friends US address when signing up for this plan. I doubt they’ll be monitoring where a user is located while using it, I think the only important thing to them is the address at sign up.

Nick


Re: New Computer

 

HP "Action Keys" can only be toggled on or off via UEFI.  It requires sighted assistance.

As the owner of three HP laptops of recent vintage I know of whence speak.
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