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Re: New Jaws subscription plan, why US only?

Gerald Levy
 

Eric Damery claims that this new subscription plan would be available outside the US sometime next year.

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2018 9:21 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: New Jaws subscription plan, why US only?

Hi all
I sent a message to FS support asking why the new Jaws yearly subscription plan is for US customers only, but I haven’t received any reply yet. Your thoughts on this?

As I see it, they are basically saying that us users outside the US don’t really require a more affordable way to purchase Jaws and that they are only giving this more affordable option to people in the US.

I’m also wondering what for example will stop me from simply using a friends US address when signing up for this plan. I doubt they’ll be monitoring where a user is located while using it, I think the only important thing to them is the address at sign up.

Nick

Re: Office 2016 changeing a password on an account

Matthew Horspool
 

Hi Nino,

Simple answer is I don't know! However, if Outlook is unable to log into an account, it ought to pop up a password box at that point. So my advice would be to go ahead and change the password of the account itself and then let Outlook fail to log in next time you start it up.

Matthew

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nino Dagostino
Sent: 08 November 2018 14:09
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 2016 changeing a password on an account

 

How do you change an account on an email account using Outlook 2016.

 

I have tried and tried andits time to see if someone knows thanks in advance.

 

 

Re: 2019 not fully functional after boot up

Matthew Horspool
 

Hi Stan,

I saw this sort of behaviour early in the beta cycle for 2019. Not sure what the problem was as I could never get to the bottom of it either, but it got fixed for me before the official release.

Matthew

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stan Holdeman
Sent: 07 November 2018 13:00
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: 2019 not fully functional after boot up

 

Listers: With W 10, v.1803 and J2019.

 

I have jaws set to start up automatically at log in page and after log in.

 

After boot up in the morning, j2019 opens fine but will not recognize headings, form fields and other elements. It will read a text field. I have tried task switching and page reload, but these do not help. After unloading jaws and reloading it everything works great.

 

If later in the day, I sign out and back in all works fine.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Stan

 

Re: Jaws 2019 dowload trouble

Matthew Horspool
 

Hello David,

Have you tried downloading the full offline installer from the following URL? https://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/OfflineInstallers#jaws

Usually the installer has to download components as part of the installation process and perhaps this is what is triggering your security software. The offline installer is significantly larger (over 500 MB) but all of the components are included, so no downloading needs to happen on the fly.

Matthew

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Pearson
Sent: 06 November 2018 21:05
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 2019 dowload trouble

 

    Hello group:

 

Vispero f/k/n FS says that my Avast anti-virus program is interfering with my attempt to download, and run the 2019 Jaws, and they recommend removing/uninstalling it.

 

What anti-virus program are most list users using, and how  did you acquire it?

 

Sincerely,

 

 

 

David Pearson

 

 

 

 

J2019 & Edge starting automatically--in conflict?

Stan Holdeman
 

Listers: Running J2019 and W10 ver 1803.

 

Earlier I posted a message about some problems I was having with J2019 right after automatically loading at start up.

 

Recently, after an W1803 update, Edge has been loading automatically at start up. Could this create a conflict which would cause problems for J2019 loading properly?

 

Also, how does one stop Edge loading automatically?

 

Stan

Re: How do I get Outlook 2016 to stop reading a message's subject line when I open it?

Matthew Horspool
 

Sorry everyone, didn't realise this was a bug.
Matthew

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Fettgather
Sent: 06 November 2018 21:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How do I get Outlook 2016 to stop reading a message's subject line when I open it?

This is a bug in Jaws 2019, I have already submitted feedback about this particularly annoying behavior.

On 11/6/18, Alan Robbins via Groups.Io <alan1057=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
I believe so, that is what I usually do

On Nov 6, 2018, at 4:17 PM, Richard B. McDonald
<richardbmcdonald@...> wrote:

I just reported it to support. Is that the same as reporting this
problem to them so that it gets into their cue for bug fixes?

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan
Robbins via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2018 7:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How do I get Outlook 2016 to stop reading a message's
subject line when I open it?

Just checked my settings and they are as suggested and behavior persists.
This has been true through all 3 beta versions as well as final release.
Has anyone reported to Vispero?

Al

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How do I get Outlook 2016 to stop reading a message's
subject line when I open it?

Matthew, this is a different Richard, I’m using Jaws 2019, Windows 10
home 1809, I have Office 365.
In Outlook, following your steps with the settings, the reading
behavior does not change.
I still hear the subject and message type read after hitting enter on
the Email. And, it won’t automatically read… The message type is
uncheck, yet, I hear each time if the Email is HTML, plain text, etc.
I’m off to work, where I have Jaws 2018 and Windows 7 and outlook
2016 so I will check there.

Richard



“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip
under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matthew
Horspool
Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 4:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How do I get Outlook 2016 to stop reading a message's
subject line when I open it?

Hi James,
Press JAWSKey+V for Quick Settings, and move to and open "Reading
Options". In there, adjust the following:
a. Uncheck "Message Header Field With Message Announcement"
b. Check "Messages Automatically Read"
Then ENTER to close the dialog.
HTH,
Matthew

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Richard B. McDonald
Sent: 06 November 2018 03:04
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: How do I get Outlook 2016 to stop reading a message's
subject line when I open it?

Hi!

In JFW 15 with Outlook 2007, I use to be able to have an opened
message begin automatically start reading but not its subject line,
just the message body. I don’t need the subject line re-read because
I already know it from the message’s preview in Outlook’s list box as
I scroll down my inbox. Now, with JFW 2019 and Outlook 2016 the
message’s subject line reads after I open it as JFW begins to read
the message’s body. How can I stop the message’s subject line from reading?

Thanks,
Richard


Re: New Jaws subscription plan, why US only?

Cristóbal
 

Probably has to do with issues such as licensing, distributor ships, all sorts of legalities and any sort of Country specific requirements for e-commerce. Patience grasshopper. I’m sure they’ll eventually roll it out internationally as these things get resolved.

O Nov 8, 2018, at 6:21 AM, Nickus de Vos <nickus.zr6jn@...> wrote:

Hi all
I sent a message to FS support asking why the new Jaws yearly subscription plan is for US customers only, but I haven’t received any reply yet. Your thoughts on this?

As I see it, they are basically saying that us users outside the US don’t really require a more affordable way to purchase Jaws and that they are only giving this more affordable option to people in the US.

I’m also wondering what for example will stop me from simply using a friends US address when signing up for this plan. I doubt they’ll be monitoring where a user is located while using it, I think the only important thing to them is the address at sign up.

Nick

New Jaws subscription plan, why US only?

Nickus de Vos
 

Hi all
I sent a message to FS support asking why the new Jaws yearly subscription plan is for US customers only, but I haven’t received any reply yet. Your thoughts on this?

As I see it, they are basically saying that us users outside the US don’t really require a more affordable way to purchase Jaws and that they are only giving this more affordable option to people in the US.

I’m also wondering what for example will stop me from simply using a friends US address when signing up for this plan. I doubt they’ll be monitoring where a user is located while using it, I think the only important thing to them is the address at sign up.

Nick

Office 2016 changeing a password on an account

Nino Dagostino
 

How do you change an account on an email account using Outlook 2016.

 

I have tried and tried andits time to see if someone knows thanks in advance.

 

 

Re: Evaluating laptop keyboards for jaws functionality

Chris Hill
 

Well, it used to be 101 keys, but I don't remember if that was before or after the windows key.  Good luck getting that information, though, I don't think I've read it anywhere lately.


The only way to know is to take a very observant sighted person and go shopping, or be prepared to return whatever it is you buy. Heck, even Microsoft has left a separate applications key off of some of their keyboards and they invented the thing.

On 11/8/2018 08:01, Mike Ulrich wrote:
If I’m not mistaken, you have to look at the total number of keys that are on the laptop. If I believe correctly, a full-size keyboard has something like 128 keys or so, or something like that? See what I’m saying? Hope this helps.
On Nov 8, 2018, at 8:05 AM, Chris Hill <hillco@...> wrote:

Hello. There really is no way to know what you're getting with a mail-order laptop. Also, the big box stores aren't going to be beaten by much on the price of a large item like that, they over-price small stuff but are pretty competitive on the big stuff. Mail-order laptops aren't really worth the risk.


Now, as far as what you're dealing with, I've spent a lot of time in the last year looking at laptop keyboards. There are generally other ways to do what you need to do. For your home end, page up and page down, try holding down the fn key (usually it is either the left most key on the bottom row, or it is the second from the left and using the arrow keys. On my laptop there is also a special combination for the applications key, I believe it is fn plus the key just to the left of the separate arrows. You can always fall back on the applications combination that was around before the separate key, that was shift-f10.



Another sweet litttle trick manufacturers do is to make the up and down arrows as half-height keys, HP seems to like that one. The best keyboard I saw all year comes from Asus, and if I had to buy a laptop right now, I'd start looking there.




On 11/8/2018 05:55, Kimber Gardner wrote:
Hi All,

How do jaws users evaluate a keyboard on a laptop you are considering?
I'm talking about the presence (or absence) of keys that are necessary
to the functionality of jaws commands.

I received a new Lenovo Ideapad and was dismayed to realize that the
keyboard is missing not only the applications key but also the
dedicated home, end, page up and page down keys. Strangely, my old
Lenovo, the one I am typing this message on, has all these keys so it
never occurred to me to try and verify that the new one would also.
But now I'm wondering, how do you check the keyboard specs when
ordering a new laptop that you haven't actually had your hands on?

Before someone suggests an external keyboard let me say that I require
the portability of a laptop that doesn't necessitate dragging around
an extra keyboard. I also don't really want to remap a bunch of keys
to accomplish everyday functions.

So what do people suggest? Do I really have to drag myself over to
microcenter or some other store so I can actually touch the laptop I'm
considering? Is there another way?

Thanks for your thoughts.

Kim

Re: Evaluating laptop keyboards for jaws functionality

Mike Ulrich <mulrich@...>
 

If I’m not mistaken, you have to look at the total number of keys that are on the laptop. If I believe correctly, a full-size keyboard has something like 128 keys or so, or something like that? See what I’m saying? Hope this helps.

On Nov 8, 2018, at 8:05 AM, Chris Hill <hillco@...> wrote:

Hello. There really is no way to know what you're getting with a mail-order laptop. Also, the big box stores aren't going to be beaten by much on the price of a large item like that, they over-price small stuff but are pretty competitive on the big stuff. Mail-order laptops aren't really worth the risk.


Now, as far as what you're dealing with, I've spent a lot of time in the last year looking at laptop keyboards. There are generally other ways to do what you need to do. For your home end, page up and page down, try holding down the fn key (usually it is either the left most key on the bottom row, or it is the second from the left and using the arrow keys. On my laptop there is also a special combination for the applications key, I believe it is fn plus the key just to the left of the separate arrows. You can always fall back on the applications combination that was around before the separate key, that was shift-f10.



Another sweet litttle trick manufacturers do is to make the up and down arrows as half-height keys, HP seems to like that one. The best keyboard I saw all year comes from Asus, and if I had to buy a laptop right now, I'd start looking there.




On 11/8/2018 05:55, Kimber Gardner wrote:
Hi All,

How do jaws users evaluate a keyboard on a laptop you are considering?
I'm talking about the presence (or absence) of keys that are necessary
to the functionality of jaws commands.

I received a new Lenovo Ideapad and was dismayed to realize that the
keyboard is missing not only the applications key but also the
dedicated home, end, page up and page down keys. Strangely, my old
Lenovo, the one I am typing this message on, has all these keys so it
never occurred to me to try and verify that the new one would also.
But now I'm wondering, how do you check the keyboard specs when
ordering a new laptop that you haven't actually had your hands on?

Before someone suggests an external keyboard let me say that I require
the portability of a laptop that doesn't necessitate dragging around
an extra keyboard. I also don't really want to remap a bunch of keys
to accomplish everyday functions.

So what do people suggest? Do I really have to drag myself over to
microcenter or some other store so I can actually touch the laptop I'm
considering? Is there another way?

Thanks for your thoughts.

Kim


Re: New Computer

Jason White
 

This won't help here, but on Lenovo Thinkpad laptops, pressing FN+Escape
switches the function keys between the mode in which they act as function
keys, and the mode in which they perform specialized operations.

I switched mine to function key mode and left it there. The change is
persistent across reboots.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angie Goodnight
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 8:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New Computer

7I did do that and it says nothing. A couple of F Keys with insert just say
escape.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 8:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New Computer

Try insert 1 and tap all the keys and see what jaws says. Then insert 1 to
turn off keyboard help.
Richard


"It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really good books
which are your very own." __ Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

On Nov 8, 2018, at 4:55 AM, Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1963@...>
wrote:

Just guessing here, but there may not be an application key at all. I
just bought a laptop that doesn't have one and it's going back to the
seller.

As for the function keys, they may be set to perform hardware
functions rather than the application specific functions you would
expect. I'm not sure how you would change that on an HP laptop. But
you can get the app specific function by holding down the FN key while
pressing the function keys.

I hope this helps.


On 11/8/18, Angie Goodnight <agoodnight@...> wrote:
Good morning all,
I recently bought a new HP Laptop. I am having a couple of problems
but I think it is me not the computer. Some of my shortcut keys are
not working such as Insert F7 for links, or F7 for Spell Check. I
cannot seem to find the application key where in the past it has
always been two keys to the right of the space bar. I have my
keyboard set to laptop. I have had no luck trying to search these
issues online. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Kind Regards,
Angie Goodnight





--
Kimberly


Re: New Computer

Angie Goodnight <agoodnight@...>
 

7I did do that and it says nothing. A couple of F Keys with insert just say escape.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 8:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New Computer

Try insert 1 and tap all the keys and see what jaws says. Then insert 1 to turn off keyboard help.
Richard


"It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really good books which are your very own." __ Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

On Nov 8, 2018, at 4:55 AM, Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1963@...> wrote:

Just guessing here, but there may not be an application key at all. I
just bought a laptop that doesn't have one and it's going back to the
seller.

As for the function keys, they may be set to perform hardware
functions rather than the application specific functions you would
expect. I'm not sure how you would change that on an HP laptop. But
you can get the app specific function by holding down the FN key while
pressing the function keys.

I hope this helps.


On 11/8/18, Angie Goodnight <agoodnight@...> wrote:
Good morning all,
I recently bought a new HP Laptop. I am having a couple of problems but I
think it is me not the computer. Some of my shortcut keys are not working
such as Insert F7 for links, or F7 for Spell Check. I cannot seem to find
the application key where in the past it has always been two keys to the
right of the space bar. I have my keyboard set to laptop. I have had no luck
trying to search these issues online. Any help would be greatly
appreciated!

Kind Regards,
Angie Goodnight





--
Kimberly


Re: New Computer

Richard Turner
 

Try insert 1 and tap all the keys and see what jaws says. Then insert 1 to turn off keyboard help.
Richard


"It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really good books which are your very own." __ Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

On Nov 8, 2018, at 4:55 AM, Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1963@...> wrote:

Just guessing here, but there may not be an application key at all. I
just bought a laptop that doesn't have one and it's going back to the
seller.

As for the function keys, they may be set to perform hardware
functions rather than the application specific functions you would
expect. I'm not sure how you would change that on an HP laptop. But
you can get the app specific function by holding down the FN key while
pressing the function keys.

I hope this helps.


On 11/8/18, Angie Goodnight <agoodnight@...> wrote:
Good morning all,
I recently bought a new HP Laptop. I am having a couple of problems but I
think it is me not the computer. Some of my shortcut keys are not working
such as Insert F7 for links, or F7 for Spell Check. I cannot seem to find
the application key where in the past it has always been two keys to the
right of the space bar. I have my keyboard set to laptop. I have had no luck
trying to search these issues online. Any help would be greatly
appreciated!

Kind Regards,
Angie Goodnight





--
Kimberly


Re: Evaluating laptop keyboards for jaws functionality

Chris Hill
 

Hello.  There really is no way to know what you're getting with a mail-order laptop.  Also, the big box stores aren't going to be beaten by much on the price of a large item like that, they over-price small stuff but are pretty competitive on the big stuff.  Mail-order laptops aren't really worth the risk.


Now, as far as what you're dealing with, I've spent a lot of time in the last year looking at laptop keyboards.  There are generally other ways to do what you need to do.  For your home end, page up and page down, try holding down the fn key (usually it is either the left most key on the bottom row, or it is the second from the left and using the arrow keys.  On my laptop there is also a special combination for the applications key, I believe it is fn plus the key just to the left of the separate arrows.  You can always fall back on the applications combination that was around before the separate key, that was shift-f10.



Another sweet litttle trick manufacturers do is to make the up and down arrows as half-height keys, HP seems to like that one. The best keyboard I saw all year comes from Asus, and if I had to buy a laptop right now, I'd start looking there.

On 11/8/2018 05:55, Kimber Gardner wrote:
Hi All,

How do jaws users evaluate a keyboard on a laptop you are considering?
I'm talking about the presence (or absence) of keys that are necessary
to the functionality of jaws commands.

I received a new Lenovo Ideapad and was dismayed to realize that the
keyboard is missing not only the applications key but also the
dedicated home, end, page up and page down keys. Strangely, my old
Lenovo, the one I am typing this message on, has all these keys so it
never occurred to me to try and verify that the new one would also.
But now I'm wondering, how do you check the keyboard specs when
ordering a new laptop that you haven't actually had your hands on?

Before someone suggests an external keyboard let me say that I require
the portability of a laptop that doesn't necessitate dragging around
an extra keyboard. I also don't really want to remap a bunch of keys
to accomplish everyday functions.

So what do people suggest? Do I really have to drag myself over to
microcenter or some other store so I can actually touch the laptop I'm
considering? Is there another way?

Thanks for your thoughts.

Kim

Re: New Computer

Kimber Gardner
 

Just guessing here, but there may not be an application key at all. I
just bought a laptop that doesn't have one and it's going back to the
seller.

As for the function keys, they may be set to perform hardware
functions rather than the application specific functions you would
expect. I'm not sure how you would change that on an HP laptop. But
you can get the app specific function by holding down the FN key while
pressing the function keys.

I hope this helps.

On 11/8/18, Angie Goodnight <agoodnight@...> wrote:
Good morning all,
I recently bought a new HP Laptop. I am having a couple of problems but I
think it is me not the computer. Some of my shortcut keys are not working
such as Insert F7 for links, or F7 for Spell Check. I cannot seem to find
the application key where in the past it has always been two keys to the
right of the space bar. I have my keyboard set to laptop. I have had no luck
trying to search these issues online. Any help would be greatly
appreciated!

Kind Regards,
Angie Goodnight




--
Kimberly

Re: New Computer

george b
 

For starters you eather need to have someone go into the bios and change the defalt of the function keys.  They now are set for hp device operations, and you need to change it to just f keys.

 

If you do not do this then you would have to press the function key and along with your jaws key and f 7 to have the jaws action take place. And this would be for all f key operations.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angie Goodnight
Sent: November 8, 2018 4:14
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: New Computer

 

Good morning all,

I recently bought a new HP Laptop. I am having a couple of problems but I think it is me not the computer. Some of my shortcut keys are not working such as Insert F7 for links, or F7 for Spell Check. I cannot seem to find the application key where in the past it has always been two keys to the right of the space bar. I have my keyboard set to laptop. I have had no luck trying to search these issues online. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

 

Kind Regards,

Angie Goodnight

 

Re: Evaluating laptop keyboards for jaws functionality

Richard Turner
 

The keyboard specs should be part of the details about the laptop before you place the order. Of course, putting your hands on one first is the best way to go. I have not used the jaws laptop layout, but it is suppose to give you all the functionality of the full keyboard.
Richard


"It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really good books which are your very own." __ Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

On Nov 8, 2018, at 4:34 AM, Mich Verrier <michv@...> wrote:

YHi Kim. I think that would be really the only way unless you can find a laptop with a full sised keybord that would work getting a feel for keybords would be the only way. for instince I am using my del laptop with full keybord and this is something that I made shure to ask for when getting this laptop from my vender that it has a full sised keybord. Hth. From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: November 8, 2018 6:56 AM
To: main <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Evaluating laptop keyboards for jaws functionality

Hi All,

How do jaws users evaluate a keyboard on a laptop you are considering?
I'm talking about the presence (or absence) of keys that are necessary to the functionality of jaws commands.

I received a new Lenovo Ideapad and was dismayed to realize that the keyboard is missing not only the applications key but also the dedicated home, end, page up and page down keys. Strangely, my old Lenovo, the one I am typing this message on, has all these keys so it never occurred to me to try and verify that the new one would also.
But now I'm wondering, how do you check the keyboard specs when ordering a new laptop that you haven't actually had your hands on?

Before someone suggests an external keyboard let me say that I require the portability of a laptop that doesn't necessitate dragging around an extra keyboard. I also don't really want to remap a bunch of keys to accomplish everyday functions.

So what do people suggest? Do I really have to drag myself over to microcenter or some other store so I can actually touch the laptop I'm considering? Is there another way?

Thanks for your thoughts.

Kim

--
Kimberly






New Computer

Angie Goodnight <agoodnight@...>
 

Good morning all,

I recently bought a new HP Laptop. I am having a couple of problems but I think it is me not the computer. Some of my shortcut keys are not working such as Insert F7 for links, or F7 for Spell Check. I cannot seem to find the application key where in the past it has always been two keys to the right of the space bar. I have my keyboard set to laptop. I have had no luck trying to search these issues online. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

 

Kind Regards,

Angie Goodnight

 

Re: Evaluating laptop keyboards for jaws functionality

Mich Verrier
 

Hi Kim. I think that would be really the only way unless you can find a laptop with a full sised keybord that would work getting a feel for keybords would be the only way. for instince I am using my del laptop with full keybord and this is something that I made shure to ask for when getting this laptop from my vender that it has a full sised keybord. Hth. From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: November 8, 2018 6:56 AM
To: main <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Evaluating laptop keyboards for jaws functionality

Hi All,

How do jaws users evaluate a keyboard on a laptop you are considering?
I'm talking about the presence (or absence) of keys that are necessary to the functionality of jaws commands.

I received a new Lenovo Ideapad and was dismayed to realize that the keyboard is missing not only the applications key but also the dedicated home, end, page up and page down keys. Strangely, my old Lenovo, the one I am typing this message on, has all these keys so it never occurred to me to try and verify that the new one would also.
But now I'm wondering, how do you check the keyboard specs when ordering a new laptop that you haven't actually had your hands on?

Before someone suggests an external keyboard let me say that I require the portability of a laptop that doesn't necessitate dragging around an extra keyboard. I also don't really want to remap a bunch of keys to accomplish everyday functions.

So what do people suggest? Do I really have to drag myself over to microcenter or some other store so I can actually touch the laptop I'm considering? Is there another way?

Thanks for your thoughts.

Kim

--
Kimberly