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Re: JAWS Won't Read Safeway Receipt

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

I get the occasional invoice from a supplier where this is the case. Just use Jaws OCR and  you should be fine.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Miller
Sent: Monday, November 5, 2018 6:37 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: JAWS Won't Read Safeway Receipt

 

Dear Listers:

 

Safeway supermarket delivers my groceries.  Before each delivery, they send me an e-mail receipt.  JAWS will read the part of the receipt that lists the time of day and the order number, but it will not read the receipt itself.  Have any of you had this experience with Safeway, and did you get JAWS to read the receipt?  If so, how?

 

 

 

Rick Miller

 


JAWS Won't Read Safeway Receipt

Rick Miller
 

Dear Listers:

 

Safeway supermarket delivers my groceries.  Before each delivery, they send me an e-mail receipt.  JAWS will read the part of the receipt that lists the time of day and the order number, but it will not read the receipt itself.  Have any of you had this experience with Safeway, and did you get JAWS to read the receipt?  If so, how?

 

 

 

Rick Miller

 


Re: Admin: Restoring some sanity and civility to the list.

ely.r@...
 

Jane,

Thank you.

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Monday, November 5, 2018 12:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Admin: Restoring some sanity and civility to the list.

 

Folks,

It would appear that somewhere along the way we seem to have lost the plot. Ordinarily that in and of itself wouldn't be quite a problem, as you guys are usually pretty good at letting things die down naturally. However, this weekend's rather intense conversations have lead to not one, but I count currently at least 3 active and on-going threads that have left the actual original topic of discussion crying in the corner. Since that's not what this list is here for, I will be going through and closing those threads starting in the next 2 minutes. I would encourage the instigators in the group (you know who you are and so do I) not to take that as an invitation to reopen them. Let's attempt to get back on course, shall we? This is a JAWS list. If you want to discuss the practicality, ethics or worthyness of one man's particular income stream, do it privately.

Also, let's try and be mindful of rule 5 going forward. People get moderated when things get personal. Leet's maybe not get personal. Thanks, and remember, we've all got opinions. There's as much room for theirs as there is for yours. ... Except those Apple dorks. Those guys are just weird.

James,
List Admin


Apple dorks

Paul Martz <skewmatrix@...>
 

If Apple dorks are weird, I don’t know how you’d classify someone like me, who uses Windows, Apple, and Linux systems. Maybe schizophrenic. LOL.
-Paul

On Nov 4, 2018, at 10:37 PM, James Homuth <james@the-jdh.com> wrote:

Except those Apple dorks. Those guys are just weird.


Does anyone know how accessible varsitytutors.com is?

David Ingram
 

hi list members,i'm trying to find out how accessible varsitytutors.com is for us to use? I'm asking because i'm trying to apply as a music tutor teaching piano. from what I can tell that the edit fields are not properly labeled and i'm having a hard time trying to apply on the page. Are there any suggestions as to how the cite can be made more accessible?


Re: Jaws 19 shortcut key and Windows 10

Pastor Gil Pries <revgil@...>
 

Go to the desk top.

Hit the letter j for JAWS.

Press alt-enter and you will be in JAWS properties.

 

Pastor Gil

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of T. Civitello
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 12:00 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws 19 shortcut key and Windows 10

 

       

Using Windows 10 and Jaws 19. How do I set a shortcut key for Jaws 19. I can’t seem to locate the properties setting for Jaws. Thanks, Tom   

 


Re: safe boot and jaws 2019 issue

Andrew Summers
 

How did you get into safe boot with JAWS?
 
Andrew
 

From: Michael Amaro
Sent: Monday, November 5, 2018 6:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: safe boot and jaws 2019 issue
 
Hello Listers,
 
I am running windows 10 1803 latest jaws 2019.  IWent in to safe boot to run disk cleanup.  Tried loading jaws 2019, it wouldn't load.  Had to go back to jaws 2018 When in safe boot.
 
thanks
 
Michael Amaro                   


Jaws made accessible a new job opportunity: stenographer.

Daniele Casarola
 

Hi!
Together with Jaws developer we made accessible a job that it wasn't before: I mean to be a stenographer.

Basically it means to listen and transcribe, which is used for Court reporting, realtime subtitling, any situation where you have to type really really fast, as fast as a person speaks.
In the bast there was not audio feedback of what a stenographer types. Now a Jaws plugin allows it.

For those who are interested in deepening the subject I've made a simple video which explain broadly.:
https://youtu.be/oNlLTbTCRj8

Hope it can help somebody as it helped me.
Daniele.


Re: Jaws 2018 an Excel cell reading.

Daniele Casarola
 

Thank you very much Sieghard for your help.

Yes now it works.

Have a nice day.

Daniele


safe boot and jaws 2019 issue

Michael Amaro
 

Hello Listers,
 
I am running windows 10 1803 latest jaws 2019.  IWent in to safe boot to run disk cleanup.  Tried loading jaws 2019, it wouldn't load.  Had to go back to jaws 2018 When in safe boot.
 
thanks
 
Michael Amaro                    


Re: Admin: Restoring some sanity and civility to the list.

David & his pack of dogs
 

Sorry, just as I got your post, I sent my message, delete it if you want. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: November 4, 2018 9:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Admin: Restoring some sanity and civility to the list.

 

Folks,

It would appear that somewhere along the way we seem to have lost the plot. Ordinarily that in and of itself wouldn't be quite a problem, as you guys are usually pretty good at letting things die down naturally. However, this weekend's rather intense conversations have lead to not one, but I count currently at least 3 active and on-going threads that have left the actual original topic of discussion crying in the corner. Since that's not what this list is here for, I will be going through and closing those threads starting in the next 2 minutes. I would encourage the instigators in the group (you know who you are and so do I) not to take that as an invitation to reopen them. Let's attempt to get back on course, shall we? This is a JAWS list. If you want to discuss the practicality, ethics or worthyness of one man's particular income stream, do it privately.

Also, let's try and be mindful of rule 5 going forward. People get moderated when things get personal. Leet's maybe not get personal. Thanks, and remember, we've all got opinions. There's as much room for theirs as there is for yours. ... Except those Apple dorks. Those guys are just weird.

James,
List Admin


locked Re: The waist of things, not including JAWS

David & his pack of dogs
 

The garbage dump here has a free store where you can pick up things for free the only provision is it must not look horrible. I picked up a 30-channel equalizer there. They have a lot of stuff that if you want to you could practically furnish your place with. Unfortunately they do not take computers. I say unfortunately because it goes to the bottle depot which takes not just returnables also TVS and other electronics. Why is it unfortunate? Because they by law have to dispose of them. Some are pretty much brand new according to a former manager of the bottle depot. Businesses such as government agencies get the latest and greatest and have to dispose of their older models. It is a real shame the waist of good products that goes on in North America. Mind you, on an Australian list someone got a iPhone X for Christmas of this year and by Feb. they were trying to sell it. Me, I use something till it smokes accept JAWS.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Wayland
Sent: November 4, 2018 3:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

I don't think anyone is saying that. Dumpster diving doesn't necessarily mean hiding behind a restaurant waiting for a pizza to be thrown out. I have talked to a person who had normal sight and a good job who would go through dumpsters in industrial parks looking for discarded items. Now my understanding is companies don't throw away normal trash. This guy, and people doing the same thing, look for quite valuable items such as electronics, book shelves, tables. He told me that a lot of these items need little or no repair. He told me you would be surprised what these companies would throw away. He told me that one time he had found a set of track lights that he sold for over a thousand dollars. Now Ipersonally don't intend to go out and partisapate in this activety, but if there are people who do then more power to them. Maybe it is kind like a hobby or something. It would be fun to do research on this activety and see just what a person could do though.
Larry




-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 2:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

I refuse to believe because a person is blind it means they have to dig through dumpsters in order to make a living. It’s called having dignity

On Nov 4, 2018, at 3:01 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:

Hi David,

If I put my pop cans or anything which I can collect money on if I bring it to the recycling centre into my recycling bin which is picked up and where I get nothing for it then it is not steeling if somebody picks out said pop cans. It is no different than if I threw the cans into the trash and somebody came by to pick them out (essentially dumpster diving). If I collect my cans in my carport in a bin so I can take them to the recycling centre once a month and somebody comes on my property and goes under my carport to grab those cans then that is steeling and, of course, trespassing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 8:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

I found the message James was referring too. When my brother lived with us before I got married, I would get reports of him going into people's recycling box that they had put out on the curb to be picked up by the municipality and taking out the empty pop cans or beer cans . Then he would take them to a store and cash them in for money. This is how he would supplement his income. To me this is steeling. Now, having said this, we run dogs on a trail and frequently find the same things, empties. We cash them in, however, to us it is just cleaning up the environment. Especially when the amount we cashed in could not even pay for a 32 G, SD card. There was someone that would go to beaches on weekends and clean them up. She made enough money doing this each year that she could go to Hawaii every year.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: November 3, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Dumpster diving? I find that offensive. If you recommend blind people go dumpster diving then you are an idiot. And I don’t care if your offended by that. Deal with it.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to different blind individuals for generating needed income to cover the cost of technologhy Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming certified Braille transcribers and proofreaders along with other ideas. Before writing this note I sent a message to an old schoolfriend of mine who has written a number of books one of which is in audio format. He said that his audio version sold out and he no longer had copies on CD but could provide them in MP3 format. I suggested making his book available through Audible allowing many others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue


Admin: Restoring some sanity and civility to the list.

James Homuth
 

Folks,

It would appear that somewhere along the way we seem to have lost the plot. Ordinarily that in and of itself wouldn't be quite a problem, as you guys are usually pretty good at letting things die down naturally. However, this weekend's rather intense conversations have lead to not one, but I count currently at least 3 active and on-going threads that have left the actual original topic of discussion crying in the corner. Since that's not what this list is here for, I will be going through and closing those threads starting in the next 2 minutes. I would encourage the instigators in the group (you know who you are and so do I) not to take that as an invitation to reopen them. Let's attempt to get back on course, shall we? This is a JAWS list. If you want to discuss the practicality, ethics or worthyness of one man's particular income stream, do it privately.

Also, let's try and be mindful of rule 5 going forward. People get moderated when things get personal. Leet's maybe not get personal. Thanks, and remember, we've all got opinions. There's as much room for theirs as there is for yours. ... Except those Apple dorks. Those guys are just weird.

James,
List Admin


Re: Jaws 19 shortcut key and Windows 10

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 


Your messages have come to the list and to set the shortcut, go to the desktop and get focus on Jaws, and hit alt-enter to bring up the properties and tab to shortcut and press the keys you want to use. Then tab to apply and hit space and then OK, unless you have the user account controls and you have to then give it permission to finish.
Richard



"It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really good books which are your very own." __  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle 

On Nov 4, 2018, at 9:20 PM, T. Civitello <tcivi31@...> wrote:

       
Using Windows 10 and Jaws 19. How do I set a shortcut key for Jaws 19. I can’t seem to locate the properties setting for Jaws. Thanks, Tom   


locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

David & his pack of dogs
 

Message received and that's no assumption. LOL.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of T. Civitello
Sent: November 4, 2018 12:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

I am making an assumption: Messages that I send to the list do not come back to me so I assume they are not making it to the list. If this is not true, and this makes it to the list would someone please let me know.
Thanks Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: Don H
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 12:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

At least in my city once a recycle bin is placed at the curb for city collection it belongs to the city. It is against the law for anyone to pick through them.

On 11/4/2018 2:01 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi David,

If I put my pop cans or anything which I can collect money on if I
bring it to the recycling centre into my recycling bin which is picked
up and where I get nothing for it then it is not steeling if somebody
picks out said pop cans. It is no different than if I threw the cans
into the trash and somebody came by to pick them out (essentially
dumpster diving). If I collect my cans in my carport in a bin so I can
take them to the recycling centre once a month and somebody comes on
my property and goes under my carport to grab those cans then that is
steeling and, of course, trespassing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his
pack of dogs
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 8:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

I found the message James was referring too. When my brother lived
with us before I got married, I would get reports of him going into
people's recycling box that they had put out on the curb to be picked
up by the municipality and taking out the empty pop cans or beer cans
. Then he would take them to a store and cash them in for money.
This is how he would supplement his income. To me this is steeling.
Now, having said this, we run dogs on a trail and frequently find the same things, empties.
We cash them in, however, to us it is just cleaning up the environment.
Especially when the amount we cashed in could not even pay for a 32 G,
SD card. There was someone that would go to beaches on weekends and
clean them up. She made enough money doing this each year that she
could go to Hawaii every year.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James
Lockwood
Sent: November 3, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Dumpster diving? I find that offensive. If you recommend blind people
go dumpster diving then you are an idiot. And I don’t care if your
offended by that. Deal with it.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to
different blind individuals for generating needed income to cover the
cost of technologhy. Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming
certified Braille transcribers and proofreaders along with other
ideas. Before writing this note I sent a message to an old
schoolfriend of mine who has written a number of books one of which is
in audio format. He said that his audio version sold out and he no
longer had copies on CD but could provide them in MP3 format. I
suggested making his book available through Audible allowing many
others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of
passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue


















Jaws 19 shortcut key and Windows 10

T. Civitello
 

       
Using Windows 10 and Jaws 19. How do I set a shortcut key for Jaws 19. I can’t seem to locate the properties setting for Jaws. Thanks, Tom   


locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

T. Civitello
 

I am making an assumption: Messages that I send to the list do not come back to me so I assume they are not making it to the list. If this is not true, and this makes it to the list would someone please let me know. Thanks Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: Don H
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 12:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

At least in my city once a recycle bin is placed at the curb for city
collection it belongs to the city. It is against the law for anyone to
pick through them.

On 11/4/2018 2:01 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi David,

If I put my pop cans or anything which I can collect money on if I bring it to the recycling centre into my recycling bin which is picked up and where I get nothing for it then it is not steeling if somebody picks out said pop cans. It is no different than if I threw the cans into the trash and somebody came by to pick them out (essentially dumpster diving). If I collect my cans in my carport in a bin so I can take them to the recycling centre once a month and somebody comes on my property and goes under my carport to grab those cans then that is steeling and, of course, trespassing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 8:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

I found the message James was referring too. When my brother lived with us before I got married, I would get reports of him going into people's recycling box that they had put out on the curb to be picked up by the municipality and taking out the empty pop cans or beer cans . Then he would take them to a store and cash them in for money. This is how he would supplement his income. To me this is steeling. Now, having said this, we run dogs on a trail and frequently find the same things, empties. We cash them in, however, to us it is just cleaning up the environment. Especially when the amount we cashed in could not even pay for a 32 G, SD card. There was someone that would go to beaches on weekends and clean them up. She made enough money doing this each year that she could go to Hawaii every year.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: November 3, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Dumpster diving? I find that offensive. If you recommend blind people go dumpster diving then you are an idiot. And I don’t care if your offended by that. Deal with it.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to different blind individuals for generating needed income to cover the cost of technologhy. Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming certified Braille transcribers and proofreaders along with other ideas. Before writing this note I sent a message to an old schoolfriend of mine who has written a number of books one of which is in audio format. He said that his audio version sold out and he no longer had copies on CD but could provide them in MP3 format. I suggested making his book available through Audible allowing many others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue


















locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Larry Wayland
 

I don't think anyone is saying that. Dumpster diving doesn't necessarily mean hiding behind a restaurant waiting for a pizza to be thrown out. I have talked to a person who had normal sight and a good job who would go through dumpsters in industrial parks looking for discarded items. Now my understanding is companies don't throw away normal trash. This guy, and people doing the same thing, look for quite valuable items such as electronics, book shelves, tables. He told me that a lot of these items need little or no repair. He told me you would be surprised what these companies would throw away. He told me that one time he had found a set of track lights that he sold for over a thousand dollars. Now Ipersonally don't intend to go out and partisapate in this activety, but if there are people who do then more power to them. Maybe it is kind like a hobby or something. It would be fun to do research on this activety and see just what a person could do though.
Larry

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 2:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

I refuse to believe because a person is blind it means they have to dig through dumpsters in order to make a living. It’s called having dignity

On Nov 4, 2018, at 3:01 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:

Hi David,

If I put my pop cans or anything which I can collect money on if I bring it to the recycling centre into my recycling bin which is picked up and where I get nothing for it then it is not steeling if somebody picks out said pop cans. It is no different than if I threw the cans into the trash and somebody came by to pick them out (essentially dumpster diving). If I collect my cans in my carport in a bin so I can take them to the recycling centre once a month and somebody comes on my property and goes under my carport to grab those cans then that is steeling and, of course, trespassing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 8:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

I found the message James was referring too. When my brother lived with us before I got married, I would get reports of him going into people's recycling box that they had put out on the curb to be picked up by the municipality and taking out the empty pop cans or beer cans . Then he would take them to a store and cash them in for money. This is how he would supplement his income. To me this is steeling. Now, having said this, we run dogs on a trail and frequently find the same things, empties. We cash them in, however, to us it is just cleaning up the environment. Especially when the amount we cashed in could not even pay for a 32 G, SD card. There was someone that would go to beaches on weekends and clean them up. She made enough money doing this each year that she could go to Hawaii every year.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: November 3, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Dumpster diving? I find that offensive. If you recommend blind people go dumpster diving then you are an idiot. And I don’t care if your offended by that. Deal with it.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to different blind individuals for generating needed income to cover the cost of technologhy Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming certified Braille transcribers and proofreaders along with other ideas. Before writing this note I sent a message to an old schoolfriend of mine who has written a number of books one of which is in audio format. He said that his audio version sold out and he no longer had copies on CD but could provide them in MP3 format. I suggested making his book available through Audible allowing many others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue


locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Larry Wayland
 

It is not against the law to take things out of trash containers that are out on the curb to be picked up by the city. Detectives often take items out of trash containers without a warrant to be used for evidence. That is one of the ways police were able to catch the Golden State murderer. They got his DNA off a cup he had used. If it was against the law they would have not been able to do this without a warrant.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 4:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

When one talks of dignity. Sighted people who are forced, through
circumstances, to go to charitable organizations to keep water on, as was my
son, shouldn't be told, as was my son: "If you paid your bill, you wouldn't
be here." He was told that by a person who worked for the charity. Who
wouldn't have told a blind person the same thing. I will bet. As for
picking things from trash cans. If those who threw out such wanted to keep
what they threw out, they wouldn't have thrown it out in the first place.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cristóbal" <cristobalmuli@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!


This is absurd. I'm not going to waste my time fretting over what addiction
someone who is going through my trash when I'm dead asleep may or may not
have. They can just as easily simply be trying to get enough funds together
to keep their light or heat on. You or I are not going to know whether or
not either scenario is true. I’m much less going to chaperone a homeless
person to place X, Y or Z to make sure they don't spend the whole two
dollars I just gave them unwisely.
Seriously, what are we talking about here?

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack
of dogs
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 12:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

The only flaw in all of this is, often people that go through dumpsters have
addiction issues and the money they collect goes to feed their habit. Ever
offer a street person a meal? Some accept it, of course you have to go with
them to make sure they don't go into the local liquor store. Some don't.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: November 4, 2018 11:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

The wife and I go to our local recycler maybe three or four times a year and
drop off what we've accumulated. Bottles, cans, glass, cardboard, etc.
Depending on how much we pile into the SUV, we may get anywhere from $25 to
$40 each time. Not going to be buying Jaws or a Braille display with that.
We don't do it necessarily because of the money, but to try to be
responsible citizens per say. We'll usually go out and grab lunch or
whatever after with our reimbursed wealth. That said, this past year has
been even less since we got a Soda Stream last year and have really cut back
on buying things like mineral and regular bottled water.
There's a guy and his wife who come around the neighborhood Sunday nights
and goes through the trash bins. Generally, people don't mind as long as
they don't make a mess of things. We'll sometimes leave out odd ball stuff
like things that can be turned in for scrap or e-waste or just stuff that
we're not going to deal with and they'll take it. We certainly don't think
it's steeling. I mean, everyone's just trying to make their way in life and
it's not like "dumpster diving" is going to be anyone's first choice.
But to suggest that a blind person pursue this as an avenue for some sort of
revenue stream is ridiculous on its face. Seriously, come on. Get real.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 10:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Heavens, my sighted daughter saves her cans and such. Giving them to her
sighted friend for recycling. For which her sighted friend receives
monetary compensation. Why condemn a thing which goes on all the time, I
ask? When last I moved, my son got our boxes from stores which threw the
ones they had no need for away. From wherever was their trash containers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!


I found the message James was referring too. When my brother lived with us
before I got married, I would get reports of him going into people's
recycling box that they had put out on the curb to be picked up by the
municipality and taking out the empty pop cans or beer cans . Then he would
take them to a store and cash them in for money. This is how he would
supplement his income. To me this is steeling. Now, having said this, we
run dogs on a trail and frequently find the same things, empties. We cash
them in, however, to us it is just cleaning up the environment. Especially
when the amount we cashed in could not even pay for a 32 G, SD card. There
was someone that would go to beaches on weekends and clean them up. She
made enough money doing this each year that she could go to Hawaii every
year.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: November 3, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Dumpster diving? I find that offensive. If you recommend blind people go
dumpster diving then you are an idiot. And I don’t care if your offended by
that. Deal with it.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to different blind
individuals for generating needed income to cover the cost of technologhy.
Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming certified Braille
transcribers and proofreaders along with other ideas. Before writing this
note I sent a message to an old schoolfriend of mine who has written a
number of books one of which is in audio format. He said that his audio
version sold out and he no longer had copies on CD but could provide them in
MP3 format. I suggested making his book available through Audible allowing
many others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of
passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network
marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue


locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Larry Wayland
 

Be careful! That is the truth.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 2:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

No speaking from personal experience. Sorry to burst your bubble. Often we have seen the same people at social services asking for more money or see them get money from people then promptly go into the liquor store. This is, as mentioned not everyone. Just one has to be careful.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luis Difut
Sent: November 4, 2018 12:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Stereo typing much do you?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

The only flaw in all of this is, often people that go through dumpsters have addiction issues and the money they collect goes to feed their habit. Ever offer a street person a meal? Some accept it, of course you have to go with them to make sure they don't go into the local liquor store. Some don't.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: November 4, 2018 11:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

The wife and I go to our local recycler maybe three or four times a year and drop off what we've accumulated. Bottles, cans, glass, cardboard, etc. Depending on how much we pile into the SUV, we may get anywhere from $25 to $40 each time. Not going to be buying Jaws or a Braille display with that.
We don't do it necessarily because of the money, but to try to be responsible citizens per say. We'll usually go out and grab lunch or whatever after with our reimbursed wealth. That said, this past year has been even less since we got a Soda Stream last year and have really cut back on buying things like mineral and regular bottled water.
There's a guy and his wife who come around the neighborhood Sunday nights and goes through the trash bins. Generally, people don't mind as long as they don't make a mess of things. We'll sometimes leave out odd ball stuff like things that can be turned in for scrap or e-waste or just stuff that we're not going to deal with and they'll take it. We certainly don't think it's steeling. I mean, everyone's just trying to make their way in life and it's not like "dumpster diving" is going to be anyone's first choice.
But to suggest that a blind person pursue this as an avenue for some sort of revenue stream is ridiculous on its face. Seriously, come on. Get real.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 10:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Heavens, my sighted daughter saves her cans and such. Giving them to her sighted friend for recycling. For which her sighted friend receives monetary compensation. Why condemn a thing which goes on all the time, I ask? When last I moved, my son got our boxes from stores which threw the ones they had no need for away. From wherever was their trash containers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!


I found the message James was referring too. When my brother lived with us before I got married, I would get reports of him going into people's recycling box that they had put out on the curb to be picked up by the municipality and taking out the empty pop cans or beer cans . Then he would take them to a store and cash them in for money. This is how he would supplement his income. To me this is steeling. Now, having said this, we run dogs on a trail and frequently find the same things, empties. We cash them in, however, to us it is just cleaning up the environment. Especially when the amount we cashed in could not even pay for a 32 G, SD card. There was someone that would go to beaches on weekends and clean them up. She made enough money doing this each year that she could go to Hawaii every year.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: November 3, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Dumpster diving? I find that offensive. If you recommend blind people go dumpster diving then you are an idiot. And I don’t care if your offended by that. Deal with it.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to different blind individuals for generating needed income to cover the cost of technologhy.
Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming certified Braille transcribers and proofreaders along with other ideas. Before writing this note I sent a message to an old schoolfriend of mine who has written a number of books one of which is in audio format. He said that his audio version sold out and he no longer had copies on CD but could provide them in
MP3 format. I suggested making his book available through Audible allowing many others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue