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locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Don H
 

If someone blind or not has to eat out of dumpsters is the purchase of technology High on their list of needs?  I give food to food pantrys on a regular basis, please don't eat out of the trash.


locked Re: Commitment

Val Paul
 

Hi GeralD

Quite agree with everything you have just said, and how people could sink so low and use their blindness for that sort of thing beats me!


Val.

On 04/11/2018 20:57, Gerald Levy wrote:

He has posted about his money making schemes on other lists.  One of his schemes involves standing on the street with a tin cup and playing a musical instrument.  This sounds like begging to me, and is just the sort of activity so strongly discouraged by the NFB and ACB because it only serves to reinforce the negatives stereotypes of the blind that are so widely held by the general public.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 3:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Commitment

I have never heard so much wishy washy talk than what Peter writes in his messages, I think he has mastered the art of evasiveness since he hasn't said a single concrete thing. He eludes to all these methods of how to generate income and it's all about contacting him off list probably so he can snag people with whatever scheme he is running. My guess is that it will generate income although it may just be for him.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Commitment

To me, evasiveness is an attribute of dishonesty, not a character trait to be promoted.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 7:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Commitment

Evasiveness, Persistency and most of all commitment work!  This is just scratching the surface. And since covering the cost of assistive technology such as Jaws is important to the blind it seems like some brainstorming is in order.

Peter Donahue

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: November 4, 2018 7:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Commitment



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 9:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

Dan,

I appreciate your commitment to your faith and the work you do. I did not have in mind Christians in general or evangelicals. the latter is occasionally ridiculed for their style of religious teaching.  Peter's evasiveness and persistence reminds me specifically of  Jehovah's Witnesses at the train station. Few can actually describe their faith accurately and prospects are pursued vigorously.

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On 11/3/18, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
Hi Kelly,

We don't always agree, but here I totally agree with you. So far Peter
hasn't said anything which would inspire confidence in me to even want
to talk to him. I wonder if there is also a Paul in his team? You
know, Peter Paul and Mary *smile*.
All I can say to those who contact him is to be critical regarding
what he is trying to sell you.

Regards,
Sieghard



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly
Pierce
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 4:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

it sounds like Peter is trying to covertly pitch a network marketing scheme.
Network marketers are like religious proselytizers. their offer is
shady and they act like parasites.

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On 11/3/18, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, I agree, pricing is now within reach of many moore people.  I
forget at times that development and on going updates takes qualified
people and that costs dollars.

Dan



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Man, I don’t want to be a Debbie downer, but no, this doesn’t’ sound
sketchy at all…

As far as the cost of blindness related technology.

While prices for some stuff can still be eye watering, the trend has
indeed gone down. Vispero’s new pricing model being the most recent
example of that. Despite Gerald’s reflexive “The Sky is Falling”, I’m
sure the Vispero folks  scratch padded their new structure and after
all their number crunching, they must have been satisfied enough to
go forward. Just spitballing, $90 a month as opposed to one shot
deals of
$900 with $60 yearly SMAs after that may give them a more solid and
consistent revenue stream. Let folks catch up and give even other
people the chance to dip their toes into the Jaws world and probably
end up retaining a lot of them when it comes time to renew.

Who knows, maybe between NVDA’s improvements and Microsoft’s Narrator
push, this was the competition that was necessary to finally break
down that initial price barrier for acquiring Jaws.

Newer and cheaper Braille displays are on the market, OCR solutions
aren’t only confined to K1000 anymore. I mean, you could get by with
the KNFBReader Windows app that cost $20. ABBY FineReader too. This
isn’t even mentioning the iOS/mobile stuff.

Stuff sure isn’t suddenly cheap, but man, it’s not how it used to be
before where unless you had access to a governmental program, had a
family well off enough to pay for it, maybe pawned off your soul to
get financing to buy a piece of tech or could play with it until you
graduated out of school you were more or less straight out of luck.



Cristóbal



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kevin
Meyers
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 2:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Peter,



I would like to talk to you about how you and your wife generate
additional income. I would have sent this email directly to you and
couldn’t find it it in the string of emails.



How about sending me a email to kevinmeyers@wi.rr.com
<mailto:kevinmeyers@wi.rr.com> .



Cheers,



Kevin



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



                In compliance with one of our parent company's rules
of conduct and a wish not to clutter up the list with unwanted
banquet if you want additional information please contact me privately.
Several folks here have already done that. We'll be meeting with one
of them this afternoon.
All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Gimmy some of that special sauce.


On Nov 2, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca
<mailto:sieghard@live.ca> > wrote:

Hi Peter,



Could you be just a little bit more specific, what you say is pretty
vague like "Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional
income streams"
and "Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago".

What business idea was shared with you? Can you give just some rough
examples of some of these potential income streams? Just curious.

I once read some posts on a different list where somebody was setting
up Go Fund Me campagnes asking for money to buy stuff, hopefully your
"business idea" is di



ferent because to me that is little different from begging. Online
fund raising just as traditional fund raising for a specific purpose
where maybe a family's home burned down or the primary bread winner
of the family was seriously hurt or killed in an accident  is fine
and I have often contributed to such fund raisers. But nowadays when
you look at Go Fund Me or other such sites where people beg for money
because they want to go on vacation or because they can't afford
something they want then I certainly wouldn't give them a single
Penny. Once a very very long time ago when I was very young I fell
for one of these get rich schemes with real estate. I happened to
hear this infomercial about this guy who was just itching to share
with everybody how you can get rich in less than a year buy buying
real estate and he showed off all these happy people who bought his
tutorial for $199 which was only $99 if you acted now and on and on.
Of course it came with a full money back guaranty and naiive as I was
I ordered it. It ended up being like a dozen CD's where he went on
and on saying nothing and repeating himself and it was a complete
waste of time and money. I called to get my money back but of course
because of some condition I forgot I didn't qualify, basically guys
like that are like the old snakeoil sales people who sell a cure for
something and the only thing it cures is their own wallet.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



                A lot of blind people also choose not to create
income streams to generate the money to self-fund whatever blindness
products and services they need. Mary and I have many ideas for
generating additional income streams. We have heard nothing but
excuses from blind people we tried to reach out to to help them
improve their financial situation. Thanks to someone sharing a
business idea with us years ago this past January we were able to buy
the latest upgrade of Jaws for Windows, the Dusbury Braille
Translator, and my wife Mary bought herself a Braille-Edge 40 without
seeking help from rehab thank you



                Let me shut down some other rubbish that has come
upon other lists on which we shared these accomplishments. Recall
above that we said we're willing to help others accomplish what we
have done to be better positioned to meet the costs of blindness
products and services only to be told we were braggers, and were
called many other names I won't repeat.
Braggers don't reach out to help others improve their financial
situation. I hate to say it but those with such mindsets and who do
nothing but complain about the high cost of blindness products and
services without being willing to do something about it have created
their own problems. While it's true society doesn't always have the
best attitude towards the blind the blind themselves are also
responsible for their lack of financial resources if opportunities
are placed in their laps and they fail to get on board.



                I also want to commend VFO for it's new pricing and
authorization scheme. They have done something to make it easier for
blind people to buy their products. It's now up to blind individuals
to seek out opportunities to develop the needed income streams so
they can buy whatever VFO product they need without having to turn to
rehab for help. Again Mary and I stand ready to assist anyone wishing
to follow our lead so they can do what we've accomplished. All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the
least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.
Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people
don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or
receive our JAWS from agencies?





Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@gmail.com <mailto:lucky1inct@gmail.com>

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~


On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a
lot.  With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year. But if
the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year
and it goes up from there.  What is the purpose of this?



Stew



On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.



It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.



Is this correct?



I do have one concern, though.



$90 a year doesn t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in
2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the
license by December 31.



Am I missing something?



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



from the fs e store.



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From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@gmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Michael:



Where did you get this info?



I m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.



I d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options
if possible.



Thanks for the help!



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of
Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



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From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@gmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

To: 'jfw list' <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Hello, everyone.



I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can t seem to find a
nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that
apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.



Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do
something to renew it at some point.



Up until now, I ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for
$120.



If there now is a more economical way to do this, I d certainly love
to learn about it.



Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan








































locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Correct, but in today sworld next thing somebody is suing the supermarket because they picked something out of the dumpster and got sick because it was no longer good to eat or they injured themselves climbing into the dumpster.
There have been cases where somebody broke into a house or business and got injured and they ended up going to court and winning, I mean what the heck.

.

s

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 2:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!


That is why people can no longer take thrown out food from stores in my
area. The food dumsters are now made tamper proof. Which, is sort of sad.
Because, not all food which stores throw out is non eatable.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!


When needing boxes for packing we always ask. Technically I would think
taking them out of the store dumpster is steeling because you are on private
property.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: November 4, 2018 10:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Heavens, my sighted daughter saves her cans and such. Giving them to her
sighted friend for recycling. For which her sighted friend receives
monetary compensation. Why condemn a thing which goes on all the time, I
ask? When last I moved, my son got our boxes from stores which threw the
ones they had no need for away. From wherever was their trash containers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!


I found the message James was referring too. When my brother lived with us
before I got married, I would get reports of him going into people's
recycling box that they had put out on the curb to be picked up by the
municipality and taking out the empty pop cans or beer cans . Then he would
take them to a store and cash them in for money. This is how he would
supplement his income. To me this is steeling. Now, having said this, we
run dogs on a trail and frequently find the same things, empties. We cash
them in, however, to us it is just cleaning up the environment. Especially
when the amount we cashed in could not even pay for a 32 G, SD card. There
was someone that would go to beaches on weekends and clean them up. She
made enough money doing this each year that she could go to Hawaii every
year.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: November 3, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Dumpster diving? I find that offensive. If you recommend blind people go
dumpster diving then you are an idiot. And I don’t care if your offended by
that. Deal with it.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to different blind
individuals for generating needed income to cover the cost of technologhy.
Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming certified Braille
transcribers and proofreaders along with other ideas. Before writing this
note I sent a message to an old schoolfriend of mine who has written a
number of books one of which is in audio format. He said that his audio
version sold out and he no longer had copies on CD but could provide them in
MP3 format. I suggested making his book available through Audible allowing
many others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of
passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network
marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue


locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Angel
 

When one talks of dignity. Sighted people who are forced, through circumstances, to go to charitable organizations to keep water on, as was my son, shouldn't be told, as was my son: "If you paid your bill, you wouldn't be here." He was told that by a person who worked for the charity. Who wouldn't have told a blind person the same thing. I will bet. As for picking things from trash cans. If those who threw out such wanted to keep what they threw out, they wouldn't have thrown it out in the first place.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cristóbal" <cristobalmuli@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!


This is absurd. I'm not going to waste my time fretting over what addiction someone who is going through my trash when I'm dead asleep may or may not have. They can just as easily simply be trying to get enough funds together to keep their light or heat on. You or I are not going to know whether or not either scenario is true. I’m much less going to chaperone a homeless person to place X, Y or Z to make sure they don't spend the whole two dollars I just gave them unwisely.
Seriously, what are we talking about here?

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 12:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

The only flaw in all of this is, often people that go through dumpsters have addiction issues and the money they collect goes to feed their habit. Ever offer a street person a meal? Some accept it, of course you have to go with them to make sure they don't go into the local liquor store. Some don't.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: November 4, 2018 11:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

The wife and I go to our local recycler maybe three or four times a year and drop off what we've accumulated. Bottles, cans, glass, cardboard, etc. Depending on how much we pile into the SUV, we may get anywhere from $25 to $40 each time. Not going to be buying Jaws or a Braille display with that.
We don't do it necessarily because of the money, but to try to be responsible citizens per say. We'll usually go out and grab lunch or whatever after with our reimbursed wealth. That said, this past year has been even less since we got a Soda Stream last year and have really cut back on buying things like mineral and regular bottled water.
There's a guy and his wife who come around the neighborhood Sunday nights and goes through the trash bins. Generally, people don't mind as long as they don't make a mess of things. We'll sometimes leave out odd ball stuff like things that can be turned in for scrap or e-waste or just stuff that we're not going to deal with and they'll take it. We certainly don't think it's steeling. I mean, everyone's just trying to make their way in life and it's not like "dumpster diving" is going to be anyone's first choice.
But to suggest that a blind person pursue this as an avenue for some sort of revenue stream is ridiculous on its face. Seriously, come on. Get real.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 10:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Heavens, my sighted daughter saves her cans and such. Giving them to her sighted friend for recycling. For which her sighted friend receives monetary compensation. Why condemn a thing which goes on all the time, I ask? When last I moved, my son got our boxes from stores which threw the ones they had no need for away. From wherever was their trash containers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!


I found the message James was referring too. When my brother lived with us before I got married, I would get reports of him going into people's recycling box that they had put out on the curb to be picked up by the municipality and taking out the empty pop cans or beer cans . Then he would take them to a store and cash them in for money. This is how he would supplement his income. To me this is steeling. Now, having said this, we run dogs on a trail and frequently find the same things, empties. We cash them in, however, to us it is just cleaning up the environment. Especially when the amount we cashed in could not even pay for a 32 G, SD card. There was someone that would go to beaches on weekends and clean them up. She made enough money doing this each year that she could go to Hawaii every year.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: November 3, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Dumpster diving? I find that offensive. If you recommend blind people go dumpster diving then you are an idiot. And I don’t care if your offended by that. Deal with it.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to different blind individuals for generating needed income to cover the cost of technologhy.
Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming certified Braille transcribers and proofreaders along with other ideas. Before writing this note I sent a message to an old schoolfriend of mine who has written a number of books one of which is in audio format. He said that his audio version sold out and he no longer had copies on CD but could provide them in
MP3 format. I suggested making his book available through Audible allowing many others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue


locked Re: Commitment

Gerald Levy
 

Yeah, but if you have no musical talent, he suggest standing on the street and playing a boombox. To me, this is begging, plain and simple. No wonder he doesn't want to revealhis money making secrets on this list.

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 4:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Commitment

So... I actually don’t see what the big deal would be about street busking.
I mean, if you've got good enough skill to perform as a street artist, then where's the shame in that?
While in college, I once was with a sighted friend sitting on a bench by my house. We were just shooting the breeze and I was jamming/messing around on my guitar. The guitar case was open and my dog was tied to my belt passed out.
Someone walked by and tossed some cash into my open case.
It's not like I took offense or anything. In fact, we thought it was funny/crazy.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 12:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Commitment


He has posted about his money making schemes on other lists. One of his schemes involves standing on the street with a tin cup and playing a musical instrument. This sounds like begging to me, and is just the sort of activity so strongly discouraged by the NFB and ACB because it only serves to reinforce the negatives stereotypes of the blind that are so widely held by the general public.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 3:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Commitment

I have never heard so much wishy washy talk than what Peter writes in his messages, I think he has mastered the art of evasiveness since he hasn't said a single concrete thing. He eludes to all these methods of how to generate income and it's all about contacting him off list probably so he can snag people with whatever scheme he is running. My guess is that it will generate income although it may just be for him.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Commitment

To me, evasiveness is an attribute of dishonesty, not a character trait to be promoted.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 7:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Commitment

Evasiveness, Persistency and most of all commitment work! This is just scratching the surface. And since covering the cost of assistive technology such as Jaws is important to the blind it seems like some brainstorming is in order.

Peter Donahue

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: November 4, 2018 7:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Commitment



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 9:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

Dan,

I appreciate your commitment to your faith and the work you do. I did not have in mind Christians in general or evangelicals. the latter is occasionally ridiculed for their style of religious teaching. Peter's evasiveness and persistence reminds me specifically of Jehovah's Witnesses at the train station. Few can actually describe their faith accurately and prospects are pursued vigorously.

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On 11/3/18, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
Hi Kelly,

We don't always agree, but here I totally agree with you. So far Peter
hasn't said anything which would inspire confidence in me to even want
to talk to him. I wonder if there is also a Paul in his team? You
know, Peter Paul and Mary *smile*.
All I can say to those who contact him is to be critical regarding
what he is trying to sell you.

Regards,
Sieghard



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly
Pierce
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 4:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

it sounds like Peter is trying to covertly pitch a network marketing
scheme.
Network marketers are like religious proselytizers. their offer is
shady and they act like parasites.

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On 11/3/18, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, I agree, pricing is now within reach of many moore people. I
forget at times that development and on going updates takes qualified
people and that costs dollars.

Dan



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Man, I don’t want to be a Debbie downer, but no, this doesn’t’ sound
sketchy at all…

As far as the cost of blindness related technology.

While prices for some stuff can still be eye watering, the trend has
indeed gone down. Vispero’s new pricing model being the most recent
example of that. Despite Gerald’s reflexive “The Sky is Falling”, I’m
sure the Vispero folks scratch padded their new structure and after
all their number crunching, they must have been satisfied enough to
go forward. Just spitballing, $90 a month as opposed to one shot
deals of
$900 with $60 yearly SMAs after that may give them a more solid and
consistent revenue stream. Let folks catch up and give even other
people the chance to dip their toes into the Jaws world and probably
end up retaining a lot of them when it comes time to renew.

Who knows, maybe between NVDA’s improvements and Microsoft’s Narrator
push, this was the competition that was necessary to finally break
down that initial price barrier for acquiring Jaws.

Newer and cheaper Braille displays are on the market, OCR solutions
aren’t only confined to K1000 anymore. I mean, you could get by with
the KNFBReader Windows app that cost $20. ABBY FineReader too. This
isn’t even mentioning the iOS/mobile stuff.

Stuff sure isn’t suddenly cheap, but man, it’s not how it used to be
before where unless you had access to a governmental program, had a
family well off enough to pay for it, maybe pawned off your soul to
get financing to buy a piece of tech or could play with it until you
graduated out of school you were more or less straight out of luck.



Cristóbal



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kevin
Meyers
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 2:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Peter,



I would like to talk to you about how you and your wife generate
additional income. I would have sent this email directly to you and
couldn’t find it it in the string of emails.



How about sending me a email to kevinmeyers@wi.rr.com
<mailto:kevinmeyers@wi.rr.com> .



Cheers,



Kevin



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



In compliance with one of our parent company's rules
of conduct and a wish not to clutter up the list with unwanted
banquet if you want additional information please contact me privately.
Several folks here have already done that. We'll be meeting with one
of them this afternoon.
All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Gimmy some of that special sauce.


On Nov 2, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca
<mailto:sieghard@live.ca> > wrote:

Hi Peter,



Could you be just a little bit more specific, what you say is pretty
vague like "Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional
income streams"
and "Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago".

What business idea was shared with you? Can you give just some rough
examples of some of these potential income streams? Just curious.

I once read some posts on a different list where somebody was setting
up Go Fund Me campagnes asking for money to buy stuff, hopefully your
"business idea" is di



ferent because to me that is little different from begging. Online
fund raising just as traditional fund raising for a specific purpose
where maybe a family's home burned down or the primary bread winner
of the family was seriously hurt or killed in an accident is fine
and I have often contributed to such fund raisers. But nowadays when
you look at Go Fund Me or other such sites where people beg for money
because they want to go on vacation or because they can't afford
something they want then I certainly wouldn't give them a single
Penny. Once a very very long time ago when I was very young I fell
for one of these get rich schemes with real estate. I happened to
hear this infomercial about this guy who was just itching to share
with everybody how you can get rich in less than a year buy buying
real estate and he showed off all these happy people who bought his
tutorial for $199 which was only $99 if you acted now and on and on.
Of course it came with a full money back guaranty and naiive as I was
I ordered it. It ended up being like a dozen CD's where he went on
and on saying nothing and repeating himself and it was a complete
waste of time and money. I called to get my money back but of course
because of some condition I forgot I didn't qualify, basically guys
like that are like the old snakeoil sales people who sell a cure for
something and the only thing it cures is their own wallet.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



A lot of blind people also choose not to create
income streams to generate the money to self-fund whatever blindness
products and services they need. Mary and I have many ideas for
generating additional income streams. We have heard nothing but
excuses from blind people we tried to reach out to to help them
improve their financial situation. Thanks to someone sharing a
business idea with us years ago this past January we were able to buy
the latest upgrade of Jaws for Windows, the Dusbury Braille
Translator, and my wife Mary bought herself a Braille-Edge 40 without
seeking help from rehab thank you



Let me shut down some other rubbish that has come
upon other lists on which we shared these accomplishments. Recall
above that we said we're willing to help others accomplish what we
have done to be better positioned to meet the costs of blindness
products and services only to be told we were braggers, and were
called many other names I won't repeat.
Braggers don't reach out to help others improve their financial
situation. I hate to say it but those with such mindsets and who do
nothing but complain about the high cost of blindness products and
services without being willing to do something about it have created
their own problems. While it's true society doesn't always have the
best attitude towards the blind the blind themselves are also
responsible for their lack of financial resources if opportunities
are placed in their laps and they fail to get on board.



I also want to commend VFO for it's new pricing and
authorization scheme. They have done something to make it easier for
blind people to buy their products. It's now up to blind individuals
to seek out opportunities to develop the needed income streams so
they can buy whatever VFO product they need without having to turn to
rehab for help. Again Mary and I stand ready to assist anyone wishing
to follow our lead so they can do what we've accomplished. All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the
least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.
Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people
don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or
receive our JAWS from agencies?





Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@gmail.com <mailto:lucky1inct@gmail.com>

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~


On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a
lot. With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year. But if
the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year
and it goes up from there. What is the purpose of this?



Stew



On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.



It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.



Is this correct?



I do have one concern, though.



$90 a year doesn t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in
2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the
license by December 31.



Am I missing something?



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



from the fs e store.



https://store.freedomscientific.com/
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From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@gmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Michael:



Where did you get this info?



I m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.



I d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options
if possible.



Thanks for the help!



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of
Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most
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three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your
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With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most
up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to
get new versions when they release you have access to all upgrades
released during your license term. Having access to new versions of
JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to
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From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@gmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

To: 'jfw list' <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Hello, everyone.



I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can t seem to find a
nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that
apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.



Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do
something to renew it at some point.



Up until now, I ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for
$120.



If there now is a more economical way to do this, I d certainly love
to learn about it.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan




















locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Angel
 

That is why people can no longer take thrown out food from stores in my area. The food dumsters are now made tamper proof. Which, is sort of sad. Because, not all food which stores throw out is non eatable.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!


When needing boxes for packing we always ask. Technically I would think taking them out of the store dumpster is steeling because you are on private property.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: November 4, 2018 10:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Heavens, my sighted daughter saves her cans and such. Giving them to her sighted friend for recycling. For which her sighted friend receives monetary compensation. Why condemn a thing which goes on all the time, I ask? When last I moved, my son got our boxes from stores which threw the ones they had no need for away. From wherever was their trash containers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!


I found the message James was referring too. When my brother lived with us before I got married, I would get reports of him going into people's recycling box that they had put out on the curb to be picked up by the municipality and taking out the empty pop cans or beer cans . Then he would take them to a store and cash them in for money. This is how he would supplement his income. To me this is steeling. Now, having said this, we run dogs on a trail and frequently find the same things, empties. We cash them in, however, to us it is just cleaning up the environment. Especially when the amount we cashed in could not even pay for a 32 G, SD card. There was someone that would go to beaches on weekends and clean them up. She made enough money doing this each year that she could go to Hawaii every year.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: November 3, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Dumpster diving? I find that offensive. If you recommend blind people go dumpster diving then you are an idiot. And I don’t care if your offended by that. Deal with it.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to different blind individuals for generating needed income to cover the cost of technologhy.
Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming certified Braille transcribers and proofreaders along with other ideas. Before writing this note I sent a message to an old schoolfriend of mine who has written a number of books one of which is in audio format. He said that his audio version sold out and he no longer had copies on CD but could provide them in
MP3 format. I suggested making his book available through Audible allowing many others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue


locked Re: Commitment

Cristóbal
 

So... I actually don’t see what the big deal would be about street busking.
I mean, if you've got good enough skill to perform as a street artist, then where's the shame in that?
While in college, I once was with a sighted friend sitting on a bench by my house. We were just shooting the breeze and I was jamming/messing around on my guitar. The guitar case was open and my dog was tied to my belt passed out.
Someone walked by and tossed some cash into my open case.
It's not like I took offense or anything. In fact, we thought it was funny/crazy.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 12:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Commitment


He has posted about his money making schemes on other lists. One of his schemes involves standing on the street with a tin cup and playing a musical instrument. This sounds like begging to me, and is just the sort of activity so strongly discouraged by the NFB and ACB because it only serves to reinforce the negatives stereotypes of the blind that are so widely held by the general public.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 3:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Commitment

I have never heard so much wishy washy talk than what Peter writes in his messages, I think he has mastered the art of evasiveness since he hasn't said a single concrete thing. He eludes to all these methods of how to generate income and it's all about contacting him off list probably so he can snag people with whatever scheme he is running. My guess is that it will generate income although it may just be for him.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Commitment

To me, evasiveness is an attribute of dishonesty, not a character trait to be promoted.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 7:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Commitment

Evasiveness, Persistency and most of all commitment work! This is just scratching the surface. And since covering the cost of assistive technology such as Jaws is important to the blind it seems like some brainstorming is in order.

Peter Donahue

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: November 4, 2018 7:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Commitment



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 9:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

Dan,

I appreciate your commitment to your faith and the work you do. I did not have in mind Christians in general or evangelicals. the latter is occasionally ridiculed for their style of religious teaching. Peter's evasiveness and persistence reminds me specifically of Jehovah's Witnesses at the train station. Few can actually describe their faith accurately and prospects are pursued vigorously.

Kelly <div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br /> <table
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On 11/3/18, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
Hi Kelly,

We don't always agree, but here I totally agree with you. So far Peter
hasn't said anything which would inspire confidence in me to even want
to talk to him. I wonder if there is also a Paul in his team? You
know, Peter Paul and Mary *smile*.
All I can say to those who contact him is to be critical regarding
what he is trying to sell you.

Regards,
Sieghard



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly
Pierce
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 4:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

it sounds like Peter is trying to covertly pitch a network marketing
scheme.
Network marketers are like religious proselytizers. their offer is
shady and they act like parasites.

Kelly <div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br /> <table
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On 11/3/18, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, I agree, pricing is now within reach of many moore people. I
forget at times that development and on going updates takes qualified
people and that costs dollars.

Dan



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Man, I don’t want to be a Debbie downer, but no, this doesn’t’ sound
sketchy at all…

As far as the cost of blindness related technology.

While prices for some stuff can still be eye watering, the trend has
indeed gone down. Vispero’s new pricing model being the most recent
example of that. Despite Gerald’s reflexive “The Sky is Falling”, I’m
sure the Vispero folks scratch padded their new structure and after
all their number crunching, they must have been satisfied enough to
go forward. Just spitballing, $90 a month as opposed to one shot
deals of
$900 with $60 yearly SMAs after that may give them a more solid and
consistent revenue stream. Let folks catch up and give even other
people the chance to dip their toes into the Jaws world and probably
end up retaining a lot of them when it comes time to renew.

Who knows, maybe between NVDA’s improvements and Microsoft’s Narrator
push, this was the competition that was necessary to finally break
down that initial price barrier for acquiring Jaws.

Newer and cheaper Braille displays are on the market, OCR solutions
aren’t only confined to K1000 anymore. I mean, you could get by with
the KNFBReader Windows app that cost $20. ABBY FineReader too. This
isn’t even mentioning the iOS/mobile stuff.

Stuff sure isn’t suddenly cheap, but man, it’s not how it used to be
before where unless you had access to a governmental program, had a
family well off enough to pay for it, maybe pawned off your soul to
get financing to buy a piece of tech or could play with it until you
graduated out of school you were more or less straight out of luck.



Cristóbal



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kevin
Meyers
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 2:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Peter,



I would like to talk to you about how you and your wife generate
additional income. I would have sent this email directly to you and
couldn’t find it it in the string of emails.



How about sending me a email to kevinmeyers@wi.rr.com
<mailto:kevinmeyers@wi.rr.com> .



Cheers,



Kevin



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



In compliance with one of our parent company's rules
of conduct and a wish not to clutter up the list with unwanted
banquet if you want additional information please contact me privately.
Several folks here have already done that. We'll be meeting with one
of them this afternoon.
All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Gimmy some of that special sauce.


On Nov 2, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca
<mailto:sieghard@live.ca> > wrote:

Hi Peter,



Could you be just a little bit more specific, what you say is pretty
vague like "Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional
income streams"
and "Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago".

What business idea was shared with you? Can you give just some rough
examples of some of these potential income streams? Just curious.

I once read some posts on a different list where somebody was setting
up Go Fund Me campagnes asking for money to buy stuff, hopefully your
"business idea" is di



ferent because to me that is little different from begging. Online
fund raising just as traditional fund raising for a specific purpose
where maybe a family's home burned down or the primary bread winner
of the family was seriously hurt or killed in an accident is fine
and I have often contributed to such fund raisers. But nowadays when
you look at Go Fund Me or other such sites where people beg for money
because they want to go on vacation or because they can't afford
something they want then I certainly wouldn't give them a single
Penny. Once a very very long time ago when I was very young I fell
for one of these get rich schemes with real estate. I happened to
hear this infomercial about this guy who was just itching to share
with everybody how you can get rich in less than a year buy buying
real estate and he showed off all these happy people who bought his
tutorial for $199 which was only $99 if you acted now and on and on.
Of course it came with a full money back guaranty and naiive as I was
I ordered it. It ended up being like a dozen CD's where he went on
and on saying nothing and repeating himself and it was a complete
waste of time and money. I called to get my money back but of course
because of some condition I forgot I didn't qualify, basically guys
like that are like the old snakeoil sales people who sell a cure for
something and the only thing it cures is their own wallet.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



A lot of blind people also choose not to create
income streams to generate the money to self-fund whatever blindness
products and services they need. Mary and I have many ideas for
generating additional income streams. We have heard nothing but
excuses from blind people we tried to reach out to to help them
improve their financial situation. Thanks to someone sharing a
business idea with us years ago this past January we were able to buy
the latest upgrade of Jaws for Windows, the Dusbury Braille
Translator, and my wife Mary bought herself a Braille-Edge 40 without
seeking help from rehab thank you



Let me shut down some other rubbish that has come
upon other lists on which we shared these accomplishments. Recall
above that we said we're willing to help others accomplish what we
have done to be better positioned to meet the costs of blindness
products and services only to be told we were braggers, and were
called many other names I won't repeat.
Braggers don't reach out to help others improve their financial
situation. I hate to say it but those with such mindsets and who do
nothing but complain about the high cost of blindness products and
services without being willing to do something about it have created
their own problems. While it's true society doesn't always have the
best attitude towards the blind the blind themselves are also
responsible for their lack of financial resources if opportunities
are placed in their laps and they fail to get on board.



I also want to commend VFO for it's new pricing and
authorization scheme. They have done something to make it easier for
blind people to buy their products. It's now up to blind individuals
to seek out opportunities to develop the needed income streams so
they can buy whatever VFO product they need without having to turn to
rehab for help. Again Mary and I stand ready to assist anyone wishing
to follow our lead so they can do what we've accomplished. All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the
least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.
Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people
don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or
receive our JAWS from agencies?





Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@gmail.com <mailto:lucky1inct@gmail.com>

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~


On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a
lot. With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year. But if
the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year
and it goes up from there. What is the purpose of this?



Stew



On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.



It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.



Is this correct?



I do have one concern, though.



$90 a year doesn t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in
2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the
license by December 31.



Am I missing something?



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



from the fs e store.



https://store.freedomscientific.com/
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% 21x-usc:https://store.freedomscientific.com/>




From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@gmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Michael:



Where did you get this info?



I m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.



I d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options
if possible.



Thanks for the help!



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of
Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most
popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now
available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-,
three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your
license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most
up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to
get new versions when they release you have access to all upgrades
released during your license term. Having access to new versions of
JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to
use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows ,
Microsoft Office , your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison
<https://www.freedomscientific.com/products/blindness/JAWSLicenseComp
a
rison>


What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an
email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom
Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage
your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and
activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of
your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your
license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same
email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already
registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive
and sign in your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal,
non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions
of the Windows operating system. Refer



From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@gmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

To: 'jfw list' <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Hello, everyone.



I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can t seem to find a
nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that
apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.



Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do
something to renew it at some point.



Up until now, I ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for
$120.



If there now is a more economical way to do this, I d certainly love
to learn about it.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan




















locked Re: Commitment

Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...>
 

Hello, It is time to stop talking about ways to make money. This forum is for Jaws issues. AS Bill White says " To me, evasiveness is an attribute of dishonesty, not a character trait to be promoted. I totally agree. So think about that before you talk to Mr. Donahue.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 10:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Commitment

To me, evasiveness is an attribute of dishonesty, not a character trait to be promoted.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 7:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Commitment

Evasiveness, Persistency and most of all commitment work! This is just scratching the surface. And since covering the cost of assistive technology such as Jaws is important to the blind it seems like some brainstorming is in order.

Peter Donahue

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: November 4, 2018 7:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Commitment



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 9:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

Dan,

I appreciate your commitment to your faith and the work you do. I did not have in mind Christians in general or evangelicals. the latter is occasionally ridiculed for their style of religious teaching. Peter's evasiveness and persistence reminds me specifically of Jehovah's Witnesses at the train station. Few can actually describe their faith accurately and prospects are pursued vigorously.

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On 11/3/18, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
Hi Kelly,

We don't always agree, but here I totally agree with you. So far Peter
hasn't said anything which would inspire confidence in me to even want
to talk to him. I wonder if there is also a Paul in his team? You
know, Peter Paul and Mary *smile*.
All I can say to those who contact him is to be critical regarding
what he is trying to sell you.

Regards,
Sieghard



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly
Pierce
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 4:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

it sounds like Peter is trying to covertly pitch a network marketing scheme.
Network marketers are like religious proselytizers. their offer is
shady and they act like parasites.

Kelly <div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br /> <table
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On 11/3/18, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, I agree, pricing is now within reach of many moore people. I
forget at times that development and on going updates takes qualified
people and that costs dollars.

Dan



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Man, I don’t want to be a Debbie downer, but no, this doesn’t’ sound
sketchy at all…

As far as the cost of blindness related technology.

While prices for some stuff can still be eye watering, the trend has
indeed gone down. Vispero’s new pricing model being the most recent
example of that. Despite Gerald’s reflexive “The Sky is Falling”, I’m
sure the Vispero folks scratch padded their new structure and after
all their number crunching, they must have been satisfied enough to
go forward. Just spitballing, $90 a month as opposed to one shot
deals of
$900 with $60 yearly SMAs after that may give them a more solid and
consistent revenue stream. Let folks catch up and give even other
people the chance to dip their toes into the Jaws world and probably
end up retaining a lot of them when it comes time to renew.

Who knows, maybe between NVDA’s improvements and Microsoft’s Narrator
push, this was the competition that was necessary to finally break
down that initial price barrier for acquiring Jaws.

Newer and cheaper Braille displays are on the market, OCR solutions
aren’t only confined to K1000 anymore. I mean, you could get by with
the KNFBReader Windows app that cost $20. ABBY FineReader too. This
isn’t even mentioning the iOS/mobile stuff.

Stuff sure isn’t suddenly cheap, but man, it’s not how it used to be
before where unless you had access to a governmental program, had a
family well off enough to pay for it, maybe pawned off your soul to
get financing to buy a piece of tech or could play with it until you
graduated out of school you were more or less straight out of luck.



Cristóbal



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kevin
Meyers
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 2:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Peter,



I would like to talk to you about how you and your wife generate
additional income. I would have sent this email directly to you and
couldn’t find it it in the string of emails.



How about sending me a email to kevinmeyers@wi.rr.com
<mailto:kevinmeyers@wi.rr.com> .



Cheers,



Kevin



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



In compliance with one of our parent company's rules
of conduct and a wish not to clutter up the list with unwanted
banquet if you want additional information please contact me privately.
Several folks here have already done that. We'll be meeting with one
of them this afternoon.
All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Gimmy some of that special sauce.


On Nov 2, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca
<mailto:sieghard@live.ca> > wrote:

Hi Peter,



Could you be just a little bit more specific, what you say is pretty
vague like "Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional
income streams"
and "Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago".

What business idea was shared with you? Can you give just some rough
examples of some of these potential income streams? Just curious.

I once read some posts on a different list where somebody was setting
up Go Fund Me campagnes asking for money to buy stuff, hopefully your
"business idea" is di



ferent because to me that is little different from begging. Online
fund raising just as traditional fund raising for a specific purpose
where maybe a family's home burned down or the primary bread winner
of the family was seriously hurt or killed in an accident is fine
and I have often contributed to such fund raisers. But nowadays when
you look at Go Fund Me or other such sites where people beg for money
because they want to go on vacation or because they can't afford
something they want then I certainly wouldn't give them a single
Penny. Once a very very long time ago when I was very young I fell
for one of these get rich schemes with real estate. I happened to
hear this infomercial about this guy who was just itching to share
with everybody how you can get rich in less than a year buy buying
real estate and he showed off all these happy people who bought his
tutorial for $199 which was only $99 if you acted now and on and on.
Of course it came with a full money back guaranty and naiive as I was
I ordered it. It ended up being like a dozen CD's where he went on
and on saying nothing and repeating himself and it was a complete
waste of time and money. I called to get my money back but of course
because of some condition I forgot I didn't qualify, basically guys
like that are like the old snakeoil sales people who sell a cure for
something and the only thing it cures is their own wallet.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



A lot of blind people also choose not to create
income streams to generate the money to self-fund whatever blindness
products and services they need. Mary and I have many ideas for
generating additional income streams. We have heard nothing but
excuses from blind people we tried to reach out to to help them
improve their financial situation. Thanks to someone sharing a
business idea with us years ago this past January we were able to buy
the latest upgrade of Jaws for Windows, the Dusbury Braille
Translator, and my wife Mary bought herself a Braille-Edge 40 without
seeking help from rehab thank you



Let me shut down some other rubbish that has come
upon other lists on which we shared these accomplishments. Recall
above that we said we're willing to help others accomplish what we
have done to be better positioned to meet the costs of blindness
products and services only to be told we were braggers, and were
called many other names I won't repeat.
Braggers don't reach out to help others improve their financial
situation. I hate to say it but those with such mindsets and who do
nothing but complain about the high cost of blindness products and
services without being willing to do something about it have created
their own problems. While it's true society doesn't always have the
best attitude towards the blind the blind themselves are also
responsible for their lack of financial resources if opportunities
are placed in their laps and they fail to get on board.



I also want to commend VFO for it's new pricing and
authorization scheme. They have done something to make it easier for
blind people to buy their products. It's now up to blind individuals
to seek out opportunities to develop the needed income streams so
they can buy whatever VFO product they need without having to turn to
rehab for help. Again Mary and I stand ready to assist anyone wishing
to follow our lead so they can do what we've accomplished. All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the
least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.
Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people
don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or
receive our JAWS from agencies?





Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@gmail.com <mailto:lucky1inct@gmail.com>

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~


On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a
lot. With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year. But if
the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year
and it goes up from there. What is the purpose of this?



Stew



On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.



It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.



Is this correct?



I do have one concern, though.



$90 a year doesn t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in
2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the
license by December 31.



Am I missing something?



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



from the fs e store.



https://store.freedomscientific.com/
<wlmailhtml:%7b9C3B667B-BEAC-4613-97DF-4EF1CEF83958%7dmid://00000009/
% 21x-usc:https://store.freedomscientific.com/>




From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@gmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Michael:



Where did you get this info?



I m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.



I d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options
if possible.



Thanks for the help!



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of
Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most
popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now
available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-,
three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your
license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most
up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to
get new versions when they release you have access to all upgrades
released during your license term. Having access to new versions of
JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to
use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows ,
Microsoft Office , your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison
<https://www.freedomscientific.com/products/blindness/JAWSLicenseComp
a
rison>


What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an
email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom
Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage
your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and
activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of
your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your
license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same
email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already
registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive
and sign in your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal,
non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions
of the Windows operating system. Refer



From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@gmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

To: 'jfw list' <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Hello, everyone.



I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can t seem to find a
nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that
apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.



Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do
something to renew it at some point.



Up until now, I ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for
$120.



If there now is a more economical way to do this, I d certainly love
to learn about it.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan




















locked Re: Commitment

Gerald Levy
 

He has posted about his money making schemes on other lists. One of his schemes involves standing on the street with a tin cup and playing a musical instrument. This sounds like begging to me, and is just the sort of activity so strongly discouraged by the NFB and ACB because it only serves to reinforce the negatives stereotypes of the blind that are so widely held by the general public.

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 3:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Commitment

I have never heard so much wishy washy talk than what Peter writes in his messages, I think he has mastered the art of evasiveness since he hasn't said a single concrete thing. He eludes to all these methods of how to generate income and it's all about contacting him off list probably so he can snag people with whatever scheme he is running. My guess is that it will generate income although it may just be for him.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Commitment

To me, evasiveness is an attribute of dishonesty, not a character trait to be promoted.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 7:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Commitment

Evasiveness, Persistency and most of all commitment work! This is just scratching the surface. And since covering the cost of assistive technology such as Jaws is important to the blind it seems like some brainstorming is in order.

Peter Donahue

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: November 4, 2018 7:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Commitment



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 9:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

Dan,

I appreciate your commitment to your faith and the work you do. I did not have in mind Christians in general or evangelicals. the latter is occasionally ridiculed for their style of religious teaching. Peter's evasiveness and persistence reminds me specifically of Jehovah's Witnesses at the train station. Few can actually describe their faith accurately and prospects are pursued vigorously.

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On 11/3/18, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
Hi Kelly,

We don't always agree, but here I totally agree with you. So far Peter
hasn't said anything which would inspire confidence in me to even want
to talk to him. I wonder if there is also a Paul in his team? You
know, Peter Paul and Mary *smile*.
All I can say to those who contact him is to be critical regarding
what he is trying to sell you.

Regards,
Sieghard



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly
Pierce
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 4:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

it sounds like Peter is trying to covertly pitch a network marketing scheme.
Network marketers are like religious proselytizers. their offer is
shady and they act like parasites.

Kelly <div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br /> <table
style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
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On 11/3/18, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, I agree, pricing is now within reach of many moore people. I
forget at times that development and on going updates takes qualified
people and that costs dollars.

Dan



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Man, I don’t want to be a Debbie downer, but no, this doesn’t’ sound
sketchy at all…

As far as the cost of blindness related technology.

While prices for some stuff can still be eye watering, the trend has
indeed gone down. Vispero’s new pricing model being the most recent
example of that. Despite Gerald’s reflexive “The Sky is Falling”, I’m
sure the Vispero folks scratch padded their new structure and after
all their number crunching, they must have been satisfied enough to
go forward. Just spitballing, $90 a month as opposed to one shot
deals of
$900 with $60 yearly SMAs after that may give them a more solid and
consistent revenue stream. Let folks catch up and give even other
people the chance to dip their toes into the Jaws world and probably
end up retaining a lot of them when it comes time to renew.

Who knows, maybe between NVDA’s improvements and Microsoft’s Narrator
push, this was the competition that was necessary to finally break
down that initial price barrier for acquiring Jaws.

Newer and cheaper Braille displays are on the market, OCR solutions
aren’t only confined to K1000 anymore. I mean, you could get by with
the KNFBReader Windows app that cost $20. ABBY FineReader too. This
isn’t even mentioning the iOS/mobile stuff.

Stuff sure isn’t suddenly cheap, but man, it’s not how it used to be
before where unless you had access to a governmental program, had a
family well off enough to pay for it, maybe pawned off your soul to
get financing to buy a piece of tech or could play with it until you
graduated out of school you were more or less straight out of luck.



Cristóbal



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kevin
Meyers
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 2:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Peter,



I would like to talk to you about how you and your wife generate
additional income. I would have sent this email directly to you and
couldn’t find it it in the string of emails.



How about sending me a email to kevinmeyers@wi.rr.com
<mailto:kevinmeyers@wi.rr.com> .



Cheers,



Kevin



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



In compliance with one of our parent company's rules
of conduct and a wish not to clutter up the list with unwanted
banquet if you want additional information please contact me privately.
Several folks here have already done that. We'll be meeting with one
of them this afternoon.
All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Gimmy some of that special sauce.


On Nov 2, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca
<mailto:sieghard@live.ca> > wrote:

Hi Peter,



Could you be just a little bit more specific, what you say is pretty
vague like "Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional
income streams"
and "Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago".

What business idea was shared with you? Can you give just some rough
examples of some of these potential income streams? Just curious.

I once read some posts on a different list where somebody was setting
up Go Fund Me campagnes asking for money to buy stuff, hopefully your
"business idea" is di



ferent because to me that is little different from begging. Online
fund raising just as traditional fund raising for a specific purpose
where maybe a family's home burned down or the primary bread winner
of the family was seriously hurt or killed in an accident is fine
and I have often contributed to such fund raisers. But nowadays when
you look at Go Fund Me or other such sites where people beg for money
because they want to go on vacation or because they can't afford
something they want then I certainly wouldn't give them a single
Penny. Once a very very long time ago when I was very young I fell
for one of these get rich schemes with real estate. I happened to
hear this infomercial about this guy who was just itching to share
with everybody how you can get rich in less than a year buy buying
real estate and he showed off all these happy people who bought his
tutorial for $199 which was only $99 if you acted now and on and on.
Of course it came with a full money back guaranty and naiive as I was
I ordered it. It ended up being like a dozen CD's where he went on
and on saying nothing and repeating himself and it was a complete
waste of time and money. I called to get my money back but of course
because of some condition I forgot I didn't qualify, basically guys
like that are like the old snakeoil sales people who sell a cure for
something and the only thing it cures is their own wallet.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



A lot of blind people also choose not to create
income streams to generate the money to self-fund whatever blindness
products and services they need. Mary and I have many ideas for
generating additional income streams. We have heard nothing but
excuses from blind people we tried to reach out to to help them
improve their financial situation. Thanks to someone sharing a
business idea with us years ago this past January we were able to buy
the latest upgrade of Jaws for Windows, the Dusbury Braille
Translator, and my wife Mary bought herself a Braille-Edge 40 without
seeking help from rehab thank you



Let me shut down some other rubbish that has come
upon other lists on which we shared these accomplishments. Recall
above that we said we're willing to help others accomplish what we
have done to be better positioned to meet the costs of blindness
products and services only to be told we were braggers, and were
called many other names I won't repeat.
Braggers don't reach out to help others improve their financial
situation. I hate to say it but those with such mindsets and who do
nothing but complain about the high cost of blindness products and
services without being willing to do something about it have created
their own problems. While it's true society doesn't always have the
best attitude towards the blind the blind themselves are also
responsible for their lack of financial resources if opportunities
are placed in their laps and they fail to get on board.



I also want to commend VFO for it's new pricing and
authorization scheme. They have done something to make it easier for
blind people to buy their products. It's now up to blind individuals
to seek out opportunities to develop the needed income streams so
they can buy whatever VFO product they need without having to turn to
rehab for help. Again Mary and I stand ready to assist anyone wishing
to follow our lead so they can do what we've accomplished. All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the
least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.
Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people
don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or
receive our JAWS from agencies?





Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@gmail.com <mailto:lucky1inct@gmail.com>

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~


On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a
lot. With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year. But if
the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year
and it goes up from there. What is the purpose of this?



Stew



On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.



It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.



Is this correct?



I do have one concern, though.



$90 a year doesn t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in
2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the
license by December 31.



Am I missing something?



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



from the fs e store.



https://store.freedomscientific.com/
<wlmailhtml:%7b9C3B667B-BEAC-4613-97DF-4EF1CEF83958%7dmid://00000009/
% 21x-usc:https://store.freedomscientific.com/>




From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@gmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Michael:



Where did you get this info?



I m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.



I d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options
if possible.



Thanks for the help!



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of
Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most
popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now
available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-,
three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your
license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most
up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to
get new versions when they release you have access to all upgrades
released during your license term. Having access to new versions of
JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to
use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows ,
Microsoft Office , your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison
<https://www.freedomscientific.com/products/blindness/JAWSLicenseComp
a
rison>


What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an
email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom
Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage
your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and
activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of
your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your
license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same
email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already
registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive
and sign in your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal,
non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions
of the Windows operating system. Refer



From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@gmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

To: 'jfw list' <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Hello, everyone.



I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can t seem to find a
nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that
apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.



Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do
something to renew it at some point.



Up until now, I ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for
$120.



If there now is a more economical way to do this, I d certainly love
to learn about it.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan




















locked Re: Commitment

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

I have never heard so much wishy washy talk than what Peter writes in his messages, I think he has mastered the art of evasiveness since he hasn't said a single concrete thing. He eludes to all these methods of how to generate income and it's all about contacting him off list probably so he can snag people with whatever scheme he is running. My guess is that it will generate income although it may just be for him.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Commitment

To me, evasiveness is an attribute of dishonesty, not a character trait to be promoted.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 7:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Commitment

Evasiveness, Persistency and most of all commitment work! This is just scratching the surface. And since covering the cost of assistive technology such as Jaws is important to the blind it seems like some brainstorming is in order.

Peter Donahue

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: November 4, 2018 7:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Commitment



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 9:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

Dan,

I appreciate your commitment to your faith and the work you do. I did not have in mind Christians in general or evangelicals. the latter is occasionally ridiculed for their style of religious teaching. Peter's evasiveness and persistence reminds me specifically of Jehovah's Witnesses at the train station. Few can actually describe their faith accurately and prospects are pursued vigorously.

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On 11/3/18, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
Hi Kelly,

We don't always agree, but here I totally agree with you. So far Peter
hasn't said anything which would inspire confidence in me to even want
to talk to him. I wonder if there is also a Paul in his team? You
know, Peter Paul and Mary *smile*.
All I can say to those who contact him is to be critical regarding
what he is trying to sell you.

Regards,
Sieghard



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly
Pierce
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 4:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

it sounds like Peter is trying to covertly pitch a network marketing scheme.
Network marketers are like religious proselytizers. their offer is
shady and they act like parasites.

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On 11/3/18, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, I agree, pricing is now within reach of many moore people. I
forget at times that development and on going updates takes qualified
people and that costs dollars.

Dan



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Man, I don’t want to be a Debbie downer, but no, this doesn’t’ sound
sketchy at all…

As far as the cost of blindness related technology.

While prices for some stuff can still be eye watering, the trend has
indeed gone down. Vispero’s new pricing model being the most recent
example of that. Despite Gerald’s reflexive “The Sky is Falling”, I’m
sure the Vispero folks scratch padded their new structure and after
all their number crunching, they must have been satisfied enough to
go forward. Just spitballing, $90 a month as opposed to one shot
deals of
$900 with $60 yearly SMAs after that may give them a more solid and
consistent revenue stream. Let folks catch up and give even other
people the chance to dip their toes into the Jaws world and probably
end up retaining a lot of them when it comes time to renew.

Who knows, maybe between NVDA’s improvements and Microsoft’s Narrator
push, this was the competition that was necessary to finally break
down that initial price barrier for acquiring Jaws.

Newer and cheaper Braille displays are on the market, OCR solutions
aren’t only confined to K1000 anymore. I mean, you could get by with
the KNFBReader Windows app that cost $20. ABBY FineReader too. This
isn’t even mentioning the iOS/mobile stuff.

Stuff sure isn’t suddenly cheap, but man, it’s not how it used to be
before where unless you had access to a governmental program, had a
family well off enough to pay for it, maybe pawned off your soul to
get financing to buy a piece of tech or could play with it until you
graduated out of school you were more or less straight out of luck.



Cristóbal



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kevin
Meyers
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 2:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Peter,



I would like to talk to you about how you and your wife generate
additional income. I would have sent this email directly to you and
couldn’t find it it in the string of emails.



How about sending me a email to kevinmeyers@wi.rr.com
<mailto:kevinmeyers@wi.rr.com> .



Cheers,



Kevin



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



In compliance with one of our parent company's rules
of conduct and a wish not to clutter up the list with unwanted
banquet if you want additional information please contact me privately.
Several folks here have already done that. We'll be meeting with one
of them this afternoon.
All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Gimmy some of that special sauce.


On Nov 2, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca
<mailto:sieghard@live.ca> > wrote:

Hi Peter,



Could you be just a little bit more specific, what you say is pretty
vague like "Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional
income streams"
and "Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago".

What business idea was shared with you? Can you give just some rough
examples of some of these potential income streams? Just curious.

I once read some posts on a different list where somebody was setting
up Go Fund Me campagnes asking for money to buy stuff, hopefully your
"business idea" is di



ferent because to me that is little different from begging. Online
fund raising just as traditional fund raising for a specific purpose
where maybe a family's home burned down or the primary bread winner
of the family was seriously hurt or killed in an accident is fine
and I have often contributed to such fund raisers. But nowadays when
you look at Go Fund Me or other such sites where people beg for money
because they want to go on vacation or because they can't afford
something they want then I certainly wouldn't give them a single
Penny. Once a very very long time ago when I was very young I fell
for one of these get rich schemes with real estate. I happened to
hear this infomercial about this guy who was just itching to share
with everybody how you can get rich in less than a year buy buying
real estate and he showed off all these happy people who bought his
tutorial for $199 which was only $99 if you acted now and on and on.
Of course it came with a full money back guaranty and naiive as I was
I ordered it. It ended up being like a dozen CD's where he went on
and on saying nothing and repeating himself and it was a complete
waste of time and money. I called to get my money back but of course
because of some condition I forgot I didn't qualify, basically guys
like that are like the old snakeoil sales people who sell a cure for
something and the only thing it cures is their own wallet.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



A lot of blind people also choose not to create
income streams to generate the money to self-fund whatever blindness
products and services they need. Mary and I have many ideas for
generating additional income streams. We have heard nothing but
excuses from blind people we tried to reach out to to help them
improve their financial situation. Thanks to someone sharing a
business idea with us years ago this past January we were able to buy
the latest upgrade of Jaws for Windows, the Dusbury Braille
Translator, and my wife Mary bought herself a Braille-Edge 40 without
seeking help from rehab thank you



Let me shut down some other rubbish that has come
upon other lists on which we shared these accomplishments. Recall
above that we said we're willing to help others accomplish what we
have done to be better positioned to meet the costs of blindness
products and services only to be told we were braggers, and were
called many other names I won't repeat.
Braggers don't reach out to help others improve their financial
situation. I hate to say it but those with such mindsets and who do
nothing but complain about the high cost of blindness products and
services without being willing to do something about it have created
their own problems. While it's true society doesn't always have the
best attitude towards the blind the blind themselves are also
responsible for their lack of financial resources if opportunities
are placed in their laps and they fail to get on board.



I also want to commend VFO for it's new pricing and
authorization scheme. They have done something to make it easier for
blind people to buy their products. It's now up to blind individuals
to seek out opportunities to develop the needed income streams so
they can buy whatever VFO product they need without having to turn to
rehab for help. Again Mary and I stand ready to assist anyone wishing
to follow our lead so they can do what we've accomplished. All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the
least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.
Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people
don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or
receive our JAWS from agencies?





Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@gmail.com <mailto:lucky1inct@gmail.com>

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~


On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a
lot. With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year. But if
the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year
and it goes up from there. What is the purpose of this?



Stew



On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.



It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.



Is this correct?



I do have one concern, though.



$90 a year doesn t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in
2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the
license by December 31.



Am I missing something?



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



from the fs e store.



https://store.freedomscientific.com/
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From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@gmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Michael:



Where did you get this info?



I m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.



I d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options
if possible.



Thanks for the help!



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of
Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most
popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now
available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-,
three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your
license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most
up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to
get new versions when they release you have access to all upgrades
released during your license term. Having access to new versions of
JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to
use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows ,
Microsoft Office , your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison
<https://www.freedomscientific.com/products/blindness/JAWSLicenseComp
a
rison>


What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an
email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom
Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage
your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and
activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of
your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your
license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same
email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already
registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive
and sign in your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal,
non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions
of the Windows operating system. Refer



From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@gmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

To: 'jfw list' <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Hello, everyone.



I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can t seem to find a
nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that
apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.



Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do
something to renew it at some point.



Up until now, I ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for
$120.



If there now is a more economical way to do this, I d certainly love
to learn about it.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan




















locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Don H
 

At least in my city once a recycle bin is placed at the curb for city collection it belongs to the city.  It is against the law for anyone to pick through them.

On 11/4/2018 2:01 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi David,

If I put my pop cans or anything which I can collect money on if I bring it to the recycling centre into my recycling bin which is picked up and where I get nothing for it then it is not steeling if somebody picks out said pop cans. It is no different than if I threw the cans into the trash and somebody came by to pick them out (essentially dumpster diving). If I collect my cans in my carport in a bin so I can take them to the recycling centre once a month and somebody comes on my property and goes under my carport to grab those cans then that is steeling and, of course, trespassing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 8:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

I found the message James was referring too. When my brother lived with us before I got married, I would get reports of him going into people's recycling box that they had put out on the curb to be picked up by the municipality and taking out the empty pop cans or beer cans . Then he would take them to a store and cash them in for money. This is how he would supplement his income. To me this is steeling. Now, having said this, we run dogs on a trail and frequently find the same things, empties. We cash them in, however, to us it is just cleaning up the environment. Especially when the amount we cashed in could not even pay for a 32 G, SD card. There was someone that would go to beaches on weekends and clean them up. She made enough money doing this each year that she could go to Hawaii every year.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: November 3, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Dumpster diving? I find that offensive. If you recommend blind people go dumpster diving then you are an idiot. And I don’t care if your offended by that. Deal with it.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to different blind individuals for generating needed income to cover the cost of technologhy. Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming certified Braille transcribers and proofreaders along with other ideas. Before writing this note I sent a message to an old schoolfriend of mine who has written a number of books one of which is in audio format. He said that his audio version sold out and he no longer had copies on CD but could provide them in MP3 format. I suggested making his book available through Audible allowing many others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue

















locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Cristóbal
 

This is absurd. I'm not going to waste my time fretting over what addiction someone who is going through my trash when I'm dead asleep may or may not have. They can just as easily simply be trying to get enough funds together to keep their light or heat on. You or I are not going to know whether or not either scenario is true. I’m much less going to chaperone a homeless person to place X, Y or Z to make sure they don't spend the whole two dollars I just gave them unwisely.
Seriously, what are we talking about here?

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 12:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

The only flaw in all of this is, often people that go through dumpsters have addiction issues and the money they collect goes to feed their habit. Ever offer a street person a meal? Some accept it, of course you have to go with them to make sure they don't go into the local liquor store. Some don't.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: November 4, 2018 11:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

The wife and I go to our local recycler maybe three or four times a year and drop off what we've accumulated. Bottles, cans, glass, cardboard, etc. Depending on how much we pile into the SUV, we may get anywhere from $25 to $40 each time. Not going to be buying Jaws or a Braille display with that.
We don't do it necessarily because of the money, but to try to be responsible citizens per say. We'll usually go out and grab lunch or whatever after with our reimbursed wealth. That said, this past year has been even less since we got a Soda Stream last year and have really cut back on buying things like mineral and regular bottled water.
There's a guy and his wife who come around the neighborhood Sunday nights and goes through the trash bins. Generally, people don't mind as long as they don't make a mess of things. We'll sometimes leave out odd ball stuff like things that can be turned in for scrap or e-waste or just stuff that we're not going to deal with and they'll take it. We certainly don't think it's steeling. I mean, everyone's just trying to make their way in life and it's not like "dumpster diving" is going to be anyone's first choice.
But to suggest that a blind person pursue this as an avenue for some sort of revenue stream is ridiculous on its face. Seriously, come on. Get real.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 10:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Heavens, my sighted daughter saves her cans and such. Giving them to her sighted friend for recycling. For which her sighted friend receives monetary compensation. Why condemn a thing which goes on all the time, I ask? When last I moved, my son got our boxes from stores which threw the ones they had no need for away. From wherever was their trash containers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!


I found the message James was referring too. When my brother lived with us before I got married, I would get reports of him going into people's recycling box that they had put out on the curb to be picked up by the municipality and taking out the empty pop cans or beer cans . Then he would take them to a store and cash them in for money. This is how he would supplement his income. To me this is steeling. Now, having said this, we run dogs on a trail and frequently find the same things, empties. We cash them in, however, to us it is just cleaning up the environment. Especially when the amount we cashed in could not even pay for a 32 G, SD card. There was someone that would go to beaches on weekends and clean them up. She made enough money doing this each year that she could go to Hawaii every year.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: November 3, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Dumpster diving? I find that offensive. If you recommend blind people go dumpster diving then you are an idiot. And I don’t care if your offended by that. Deal with it.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to different blind individuals for generating needed income to cover the cost of technologhy.
Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming certified Braille transcribers and proofreaders along with other ideas. Before writing this note I sent a message to an old schoolfriend of mine who has written a number of books one of which is in audio format. He said that his audio version sold out and he no longer had copies on CD but could provide them in
MP3 format. I suggested making his book available through Audible allowing many others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue


locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

David & his pack of dogs
 

No speaking from personal experience. Sorry to burst your bubble. Often we have seen the same people at social services asking for more money or see them get money from people then promptly go into the liquor store. This is, as mentioned not everyone. Just one has to be careful.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luis Difut
Sent: November 4, 2018 12:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Stereo typing much do you?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

The only flaw in all of this is, often people that go through dumpsters have addiction issues and the money they collect goes to feed their habit. Ever offer a street person a meal? Some accept it, of course you have to go with them to make sure they don't go into the local liquor store. Some don't.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: November 4, 2018 11:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

The wife and I go to our local recycler maybe three or four times a year and drop off what we've accumulated. Bottles, cans, glass, cardboard, etc. Depending on how much we pile into the SUV, we may get anywhere from $25 to $40 each time. Not going to be buying Jaws or a Braille display with that.
We don't do it necessarily because of the money, but to try to be responsible citizens per say. We'll usually go out and grab lunch or whatever after with our reimbursed wealth. That said, this past year has been even less since we got a Soda Stream last year and have really cut back on buying things like mineral and regular bottled water.
There's a guy and his wife who come around the neighborhood Sunday nights and goes through the trash bins. Generally, people don't mind as long as they don't make a mess of things. We'll sometimes leave out odd ball stuff like things that can be turned in for scrap or e-waste or just stuff that we're not going to deal with and they'll take it. We certainly don't think it's steeling. I mean, everyone's just trying to make their way in life and it's not like "dumpster diving" is going to be anyone's first choice.
But to suggest that a blind person pursue this as an avenue for some sort of revenue stream is ridiculous on its face. Seriously, come on. Get real.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 10:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Heavens, my sighted daughter saves her cans and such. Giving them to her sighted friend for recycling. For which her sighted friend receives monetary compensation. Why condemn a thing which goes on all the time, I ask? When last I moved, my son got our boxes from stores which threw the ones they had no need for away. From wherever was their trash containers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!


I found the message James was referring too. When my brother lived with us before I got married, I would get reports of him going into people's recycling box that they had put out on the curb to be picked up by the municipality and taking out the empty pop cans or beer cans . Then he would take them to a store and cash them in for money. This is how he would supplement his income. To me this is steeling. Now, having said this, we run dogs on a trail and frequently find the same things, empties. We cash them in, however, to us it is just cleaning up the environment. Especially when the amount we cashed in could not even pay for a 32 G, SD card. There was someone that would go to beaches on weekends and clean them up. She made enough money doing this each year that she could go to Hawaii every year.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: November 3, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Dumpster diving? I find that offensive. If you recommend blind people go dumpster diving then you are an idiot. And I don’t care if your offended by that. Deal with it.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to different blind individuals for generating needed income to cover the cost of technologhy.
Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming certified Braille transcribers and proofreaders along with other ideas. Before writing this note I sent a message to an old schoolfriend of mine who has written a number of books one of which is in audio format. He said that his audio version sold out and he no longer had copies on CD but could provide them in
MP3 format. I suggested making his book available through Audible allowing many others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue


locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

James Lockwood
 

That is not dumpster diving. That’s cold recycling

On Nov 4, 2018, at 2:51 PM, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@gmail.com> wrote:

The wife and I go to our local recycler maybe three or four times a year and drop off what we've accumulated. Bottles, cans, glass, cardboard, etc. Depending on how much we pile into the SUV, we may get anywhere from $25 to $40 each time. Not going to be buying Jaws or a Braille display with that.
We don't do it necessarily because of the money, but to try to be responsible citizens per say. We'll usually go out and grab lunch or whatever after with our reimbursed wealth. That said, this past year has been even less since we got a Soda Stream last year and have really cut back on buying things like mineral and regular bottled water.
There's a guy and his wife who come around the neighborhood Sunday nights and goes through the trash bins. Generally, people don't mind as long as they don't make a mess of things. We'll sometimes leave out odd ball stuff like things that can be turned in for scrap or e-waste or just stuff that we're not going to deal with and they'll take it. We certainly don't think it's steeling. I mean, everyone's just trying to make their way in life and it's not like "dumpster diving" is going to be anyone's first choice.
But to suggest that a blind person pursue this as an avenue for some sort of revenue stream is ridiculous on its face. Seriously, come on. Get real.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 10:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Heavens, my sighted daughter saves her cans and such. Giving them to her sighted friend for recycling. For which her sighted friend receives monetary compensation. Why condemn a thing which goes on all the time, I ask? When last I moved, my son got our boxes from stores which threw the ones they had no need for away. From wherever was their trash containers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!


I found the message James was referring too. When my brother lived with us before I got married, I would get reports of him going into people's recycling box that they had put out on the curb to be picked up by the municipality and taking out the empty pop cans or beer cans . Then he would take them to a store and cash them in for money. This is how he would supplement his income. To me this is steeling. Now, having said this, we run dogs on a trail and frequently find the same things, empties. We cash them in, however, to us it is just cleaning up the environment. Especially when the amount we cashed in could not even pay for a 32 G, SD card. There was someone that would go to beaches on weekends and clean them up. She made enough money doing this each year that she could go to Hawaii every year.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: November 3, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Dumpster diving? I find that offensive. If you recommend blind people go dumpster diving then you are an idiot. And I don’t care if your offended by that. Deal with it.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to different blind individuals for generating needed income to cover the cost of technologhy.
Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming certified Braille transcribers and proofreaders along with other ideas. Before writing this note I sent a message to an old schoolfriend of mine who has written a number of books one of which is in audio format. He said that his audio version sold out and he no longer had copies on CD but could provide them in
MP3 format. I suggested making his book available through Audible allowing many others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue


locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

James Lockwood
 

I refuse to believe because a person is blind it means they have to dig through dumpsters in order to make a living. It’s called having dignity

On Nov 4, 2018, at 3:01 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:

Hi David,

If I put my pop cans or anything which I can collect money on if I bring it to the recycling centre into my recycling bin which is picked up and where I get nothing for it then it is not steeling if somebody picks out said pop cans. It is no different than if I threw the cans into the trash and somebody came by to pick them out (essentially dumpster diving). If I collect my cans in my carport in a bin so I can take them to the recycling centre once a month and somebody comes on my property and goes under my carport to grab those cans then that is steeling and, of course, trespassing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 8:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

I found the message James was referring too. When my brother lived with us before I got married, I would get reports of him going into people's recycling box that they had put out on the curb to be picked up by the municipality and taking out the empty pop cans or beer cans . Then he would take them to a store and cash them in for money. This is how he would supplement his income. To me this is steeling. Now, having said this, we run dogs on a trail and frequently find the same things, empties. We cash them in, however, to us it is just cleaning up the environment. Especially when the amount we cashed in could not even pay for a 32 G, SD card. There was someone that would go to beaches on weekends and clean them up. She made enough money doing this each year that she could go to Hawaii every year.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: November 3, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Dumpster diving? I find that offensive. If you recommend blind people go dumpster diving then you are an idiot. And I don’t care if your offended by that. Deal with it.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to different blind individuals for generating needed income to cover the cost of technologhy. Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming certified Braille transcribers and proofreaders along with other ideas. Before writing this note I sent a message to an old schoolfriend of mine who has written a number of books one of which is in audio format. He said that his audio version sold out and he no longer had copies on CD but could provide them in MP3 format. I suggested making his book available through Audible allowing many others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue


Windows 10 Sink Center

James Lockwood
 

I know Jaws 2018 doesn’t do it. But is J 2019 compatible with windows 10 Sink Center? For example right hand click on a network drive go to start sync. that window that pops up to set up the account is not accessible in j 2018. Is that in 2019 or is there a script? I can’t even get windows narrator to read it. But its part of windows


locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

David & his pack of dogs
 

When needing boxes for packing we always ask. Technically I would think taking them out of the store dumpster is steeling because you are on private property.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: November 4, 2018 10:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Heavens, my sighted daughter saves her cans and such. Giving them to her sighted friend for recycling. For which her sighted friend receives monetary compensation. Why condemn a thing which goes on all the time, I ask? When last I moved, my son got our boxes from stores which threw the ones they had no need for away. From wherever was their trash containers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!


I found the message James was referring too. When my brother lived with us before I got married, I would get reports of him going into people's recycling box that they had put out on the curb to be picked up by the municipality and taking out the empty pop cans or beer cans . Then he would take them to a store and cash them in for money. This is how he would supplement his income. To me this is steeling. Now, having said this, we run dogs on a trail and frequently find the same things, empties. We cash them in, however, to us it is just cleaning up the environment. Especially when the amount we cashed in could not even pay for a 32 G, SD card. There was someone that would go to beaches on weekends and clean them up. She made enough money doing this each year that she could go to Hawaii every year.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: November 3, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Dumpster diving? I find that offensive. If you recommend blind people go dumpster diving then you are an idiot. And I don’t care if your offended by that. Deal with it.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to different blind individuals for generating needed income to cover the cost of technologhy.
Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming certified Braille transcribers and proofreaders along with other ideas. Before writing this note I sent a message to an old schoolfriend of mine who has written a number of books one of which is in audio format. He said that his audio version sold out and he no longer had copies on CD but could provide them in
MP3 format. I suggested making his book available through Audible allowing many others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue


locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Luis Difut
 

Stereo typing much do you?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

The only flaw in all of this is, often people that go through dumpsters have addiction issues and the money they collect goes to feed their habit. Ever offer a street person a meal? Some accept it, of course you have to go with them to make sure they don't go into the local liquor store. Some don't.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: November 4, 2018 11:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

The wife and I go to our local recycler maybe three or four times a year and drop off what we've accumulated. Bottles, cans, glass, cardboard, etc. Depending on how much we pile into the SUV, we may get anywhere from $25 to $40 each time. Not going to be buying Jaws or a Braille display with that.
We don't do it necessarily because of the money, but to try to be responsible citizens per say. We'll usually go out and grab lunch or whatever after with our reimbursed wealth. That said, this past year has been even less since we got a Soda Stream last year and have really cut back on buying things like mineral and regular bottled water.
There's a guy and his wife who come around the neighborhood Sunday nights and goes through the trash bins. Generally, people don't mind as long as they don't make a mess of things. We'll sometimes leave out odd ball stuff like things that can be turned in for scrap or e-waste or just stuff that we're not going to deal with and they'll take it. We certainly don't think it's steeling. I mean, everyone's just trying to make their way in life and it's not like "dumpster diving" is going to be anyone's first choice.
But to suggest that a blind person pursue this as an avenue for some sort of revenue stream is ridiculous on its face. Seriously, come on. Get real.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 10:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Heavens, my sighted daughter saves her cans and such. Giving them to her sighted friend for recycling. For which her sighted friend receives monetary compensation. Why condemn a thing which goes on all the time, I ask? When last I moved, my son got our boxes from stores which threw the ones they had no need for away. From wherever was their trash containers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!


I found the message James was referring too. When my brother lived with us before I got married, I would get reports of him going into people's recycling box that they had put out on the curb to be picked up by the municipality and taking out the empty pop cans or beer cans . Then he would take them to a store and cash them in for money. This is how he would supplement his income. To me this is steeling. Now, having said this, we run dogs on a trail and frequently find the same things, empties. We cash them in, however, to us it is just cleaning up the environment. Especially when the amount we cashed in could not even pay for a 32 G, SD card. There was someone that would go to beaches on weekends and clean them up. She made enough money doing this each year that she could go to Hawaii every year.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: November 3, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Dumpster diving? I find that offensive. If you recommend blind people go dumpster diving then you are an idiot. And I don’t care if your offended by that. Deal with it.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to different blind individuals for generating needed income to cover the cost of technologhy.
Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming certified Braille transcribers and proofreaders along with other ideas. Before writing this note I sent a message to an old schoolfriend of mine who has written a number of books one of which is in audio format. He said that his audio version sold out and he no longer had copies on CD but could provide them in
MP3 format. I suggested making his book available through Audible allowing many others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue


locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

David & his pack of dogs
 

Sorry your municipality is not advanced enough to give you money back for your returnables, as they are called. LOL. Here on Vancouver Island and in other communities you get money back. As for the trespassing angle, you are correct. Problem is it could be encouraged or winked at. The comment could, and has been made, "Oh, it is just ..." I don't mind someone making extra money to supplement their income, as long as it is not illegal. Or, I don't know about it. What I don't know I cannot be called to testify about. Grin.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: November 4, 2018 12:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hi David,

If I put my pop cans or anything which I can collect money on if I bring it to the recycling centre into my recycling bin which is picked up and where I get nothing for it then it is not steeling if somebody picks out said pop cans. It is no different than if I threw the cans into the trash and somebody came by to pick them out (essentially dumpster diving). If I collect my cans in my carport in a bin so I can take them to the recycling centre once a month and somebody comes on my property and goes under my carport to grab those cans then that is steeling and, of course, trespassing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 8:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

I found the message James was referring too. When my brother lived with us before I got married, I would get reports of him going into people's recycling box that they had put out on the curb to be picked up by the municipality and taking out the empty pop cans or beer cans . Then he would take them to a store and cash them in for money. This is how he would supplement his income. To me this is steeling. Now, having said this, we run dogs on a trail and frequently find the same things, empties. We cash them in, however, to us it is just cleaning up the environment. Especially when the amount we cashed in could not even pay for a 32 G, SD card. There was someone that would go to beaches on weekends and clean them up. She made enough money doing this each year that she could go to Hawaii every year.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: November 3, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Dumpster diving? I find that offensive. If you recommend blind people go dumpster diving then you are an idiot. And I don’t care if your offended by that. Deal with it.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to different blind individuals for generating needed income to cover the cost of technologhy. Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming certified Braille transcribers and proofreaders along with other ideas. Before writing this note I sent a message to an old schoolfriend of mine who has written a number of books one of which is in audio format. He said that his audio version sold out and he no longer had copies on CD but could provide them in MP3 format. I suggested making his book available through Audible allowing many others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue


locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

David & his pack of dogs
 

The only flaw in all of this is, often people that go through dumpsters have addiction issues and the money they collect goes to feed their habit. Ever offer a street person a meal? Some accept it, of course you have to go with them to make sure they don't go into the local liquor store. Some don't.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: November 4, 2018 11:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

The wife and I go to our local recycler maybe three or four times a year and drop off what we've accumulated. Bottles, cans, glass, cardboard, etc. Depending on how much we pile into the SUV, we may get anywhere from $25 to $40 each time. Not going to be buying Jaws or a Braille display with that.
We don't do it necessarily because of the money, but to try to be responsible citizens per say. We'll usually go out and grab lunch or whatever after with our reimbursed wealth. That said, this past year has been even less since we got a Soda Stream last year and have really cut back on buying things like mineral and regular bottled water.
There's a guy and his wife who come around the neighborhood Sunday nights and goes through the trash bins. Generally, people don't mind as long as they don't make a mess of things. We'll sometimes leave out odd ball stuff like things that can be turned in for scrap or e-waste or just stuff that we're not going to deal with and they'll take it. We certainly don't think it's steeling. I mean, everyone's just trying to make their way in life and it's not like "dumpster diving" is going to be anyone's first choice.
But to suggest that a blind person pursue this as an avenue for some sort of revenue stream is ridiculous on its face. Seriously, come on. Get real.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 10:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Heavens, my sighted daughter saves her cans and such. Giving them to her sighted friend for recycling. For which her sighted friend receives monetary compensation. Why condemn a thing which goes on all the time, I ask? When last I moved, my son got our boxes from stores which threw the ones they had no need for away. From wherever was their trash containers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!


I found the message James was referring too. When my brother lived with us before I got married, I would get reports of him going into people's recycling box that they had put out on the curb to be picked up by the municipality and taking out the empty pop cans or beer cans . Then he would take them to a store and cash them in for money. This is how he would supplement his income. To me this is steeling. Now, having said this, we run dogs on a trail and frequently find the same things, empties. We cash them in, however, to us it is just cleaning up the environment. Especially when the amount we cashed in could not even pay for a 32 G, SD card. There was someone that would go to beaches on weekends and clean them up. She made enough money doing this each year that she could go to Hawaii every year.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: November 3, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Dumpster diving? I find that offensive. If you recommend blind people go dumpster diving then you are an idiot. And I don’t care if your offended by that. Deal with it.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to different blind individuals for generating needed income to cover the cost of technologhy.
Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming certified Braille transcribers and proofreaders along with other ideas. Before writing this note I sent a message to an old schoolfriend of mine who has written a number of books one of which is in audio format. He said that his audio version sold out and he no longer had copies on CD but could provide them in
MP3 format. I suggested making his book available through Audible allowing many others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue