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Re: FM Key and Jaws

Val Paul
 

Hi!

I have an acer laptop which came with the function keys working as normal.

The last laptop i had a lenova I had to get someone to go into the bio's to fix it that the function keys behaved as normal. You've got to get sighted help for this.


Val.

On 03/11/2018 15:50, Pastor Gil Pries wrote:

I have a desk top computer.

 

Pastor Gil

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 8:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FM Key and Jaws

 

Which I hate and which is why I changed it on my Logitech K780 keyboard so that the F Keys work by themselves as expected. My Asus laptop fortunately had the regular F Key functions without having to do anything, but I have yet to see a laptop where this can't be changed, you may need sighted help for it as in some cases it may be something in the BIOS, you would have to find out from the manual of your laptop how it's done.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 5:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FM Key and Jaws

 

If you want to press the  f numbers you have to press the fn key. 

For example: 

in laptop you want to press Jaws key with f4 key to quit Jaws you press the Jaws key in conjunction with the fn key and f4 to quit Jaws. 

 


On Nov 3, 2018, at 7:28 AM, Pastor Gil Pries <revgil@...> wrote:

The function keys work by themselves.

So it must work for something else.

 

Thanks for reply.

 

Pastor Gil

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 10:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FM Key and Jaws

 

That depends on the keyboard and how it is configured.

I bought a Logitech K780 which out of the box required you to press the FN key if you wanted to use a function key when using the keyboard with a Windows PC.

If you pressed a function key without the FN key it would do system functions like increase or decrease screen brightness, turn the TouchPad on or off, raise or lower the volume, mute the sound etc.

For example, in Office applications F12 opens the older style Save As dialogue or in Jaws the Jaws key+F11 speaks the time, Jaws Key+F7 brings up a list of links on a webpage.

So, if I wanted F12 I had to press FN+F12, if I wanted Jaws to speak the time I had to press FN+Jaws Key+F11 etc.

Now, try pressing the Jaws Key (Insert on the Numpad) and FN all the way across on the left and then F7 to bring up a list of links, maybe if your fingers are a foot long you can do it.

I had to download the Logitech Options application which allows me to check a little checkbox which changed this so that when I use the keyboard for Windows the Function Keys just do what they should do without having to press FN.

Now if I want to press F1, F2 or F3 which are the keys which switch the keyboard to my iPhone (F2) or Apple TV (F3) or if I want to lower or increase the volume which is done with F11 and F12 I have to press the FN key, but since I don't do this as often I don't mind and if I press F2 (when I use the keyboard for my PC I have to press FN+F2) to switch to my iPhone then once it has switched I don't need to press the FN key anymore since the keyboard is smart enough to know when it is connected to a PC or to an iPhone or something else.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:51 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: FM Key and Jaws

 

HI,

I got a new keyboard and it has a FM key.

What does it do?

 

Thanks,

 

Pastor Gil


Re: FM Key and Jaws

 

The Logitech K360 allows you to program custom hotkeys for the Function Key row, and if you do so you must use the Fn key plus the corresponding function key to make that custom hotkey execute.

The main support page for this keyboard is:  https://support.logitech.com/en_us/product/keyboard-k360 

Going to the Downloads page for the K360 shows there's a specific program you use with the keyboard to program it called, SetPoint.  This program is also mentioned in the Quick Start Guide, which documents the pre-programmed functions for the enhanced F-keys, listing what Fn+ with each F-Key does.
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Re: 6

 

Based on what you have said, it sounds like the login credentials required for your outgoing (SMTP) server are not correct.  Outlook tries to automatically send upon exit (or at least it does by default) and the messages you're getting indicate it's not sending because it cannot send.

Double check that the outgoing server settings in Outlook correspond to what your e-mail service provider says they should be.

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Re: Jaws 2018 an Excel cell reading.

Alan Robbins
 

This can be tricky. One thing I’ve done when faced with this is press F2, as you do, then select all, paste into notepad, then select from there what I want.

Another thing you could do is arrow to the cell, allow jaws to read it, then do jaws key, then space bar, then H. This displays last several things Jaws said and copy from there what you want.

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniele Casarola
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 2018 an Excel cell reading.

 

Hi,
my name is Daniele, from Italy.

I use Jaws since a short period, so I'm pretty new to this world,I've studied a lot so I hope my question are not too much noob questions.
Thanks in advance for reading.

During my workflow I use Microsoft Excel Home and Student 2016, Italian version. My Jaws version is 2018 italian language.
I often need to copy text content of a cell in Excel.

What I do is to navigate using arrow keys to a cell.
Jaws gives me correctly audio feedback of the cell content.
Then I press F2 to edit the cell because I need to copy some content of the cell, not the whole content.
Using CTRL Left Right Arrow and CTRL SHIFT Left Right Arrow I navigate the text of the cell and I select the part of text I need.
The problem is that each time I press the combination of keys above, audio feedback is always the whole content of the cell.
So I don't know where is the cursor when I move and what I'm selecting.

Thanks a lot for any help.

Daniele.


Re: How to make jaws read number of items

George Gray
 

And, the winner is? Maximizing The Window!!! Duh! Thanks..:)

On 11/3/18, netbat66 <netbat66@gmail.com> wrote:
i don't know when this happened. grin.
but if i change the file view to the detailed view i get the index numbers i

guess you call it.
if i right arrow once then arrow down it will announce the item number like
1
of 100 as i arrow down the list. but it is the last thing announced.
i looked in the speech verbocity and beginner options and announce item
numbers was already checked. so i did not make any changes there.

-----Original Message-----
From: George Gray
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 4:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

Nope! Not for me in JAWS 2018...

On 11/2/18, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
For me both Jaws Key+Tab as well as a simple say line, Jaws Key+NumPad 8,
reads the file name, date, file type and whether it's 27 of 52 or
whatever.
It does not read it when you simply arrow down or up through the list of
files.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

I went to my "my documents" folder and pressed insert+tab and this is what
I
heard:
Not Selected 2016Low-Vision Expo images‎8/‎22/‎2018 ‏‎5:29 AM File folder
1
of 885

Jaws 2019, Windows 10

But, Window-Eyes would have read the index number automatically.

Richard


“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under
pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of George Gray
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

I also have this situation. It appears that somehow a maximum of 13 is
the
count in any Folder where I have many additional files.

If I pres Enter + T it reads the file name and whatever it's place in 13.
And, when I press Enter + Tab I hear the same.

Thanks.

On 11/2/18, Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In most cases, insert+tab will read the current item, plus how many of
how many.

I hope this works in your case.
At 05:29 AM 11/2/2018, you wrote:
I used to use window eyes. It would read the number if items in a
folder after reading off a file name. Is there a way to do this in
jaws? Right now jaws only reads item names in file explorer not how
many items there afterwards

Thanks

Jim






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Jaws 2018 an Excel cell reading.

Daniele Casarola
 

Hi,
my name is Daniele, from Italy.

I use Jaws since a short period, so I'm pretty new to this world,I've studied a lot so I hope my question are not too much noob questions.
Thanks in advance for reading.

During my workflow I use Microsoft Excel Home and Student 2016, Italian version. My Jaws version is 2018 italian language.
I often need to copy text content of a cell in Excel.

What I do is to navigate using arrow keys to a cell.
Jaws gives me correctly audio feedback of the cell content.
Then I press F2 to edit the cell because I need to copy some content of the cell, not the whole content.
Using CTRL Left Right Arrow and CTRL SHIFT Left Right Arrow I navigate the text of the cell and I select the part of text I need.
The problem is that each time I press the combination of keys above, audio feedback is always the whole content of the cell.
So I don't know where is the cursor when I move and what I'm selecting.

Thanks a lot for any help.

Daniele.


Re: 6

Richard Turner
 

Try hitting alt+s when you are ready to send.

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 10:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: 6

 

Hi all, this is  Michael and I have a question about using outlook to send a message.

how can I send a message completely?

Every time when I'm done typing a message and press the send button it won't send.

When I close Outlook the program ask me do I want to send this message or unsend.

How ca n I send a message completely?

I was a Window-eyes user for a year.

I also new to Office.

Please respond if you all get any chance.

Best regards 

Michael Munn 


6

Michael Munn
 

Hi all, this is  Michael and I have a question about using outlook to send a message.
how can I send a message completely?
Every time when I'm done typing a message and press the send button it won't send.
When I close Outlook the program ask me do I want to send this message or unsend.
How ca n I send a message completely?
I was a Window-eyes user for a year.
I also new to Office.
Please respond if you all get any chance.
Best regards 
Michael Munn 


Re: How to make jaws read number of items

netbat66
 

i don't know when this happened. grin.
but if i change the file view to the detailed view i get the index numbers i guess you call it.
if i right arrow once then arrow down it will announce the item number like 1 of 100 as i arrow down the list. but it is the last thing announced.
i looked in the speech verbocity and beginner options and announce item numbers was already checked. so i did not make any changes there.

-----Original Message-----
From: George Gray
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 4:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

Nope! Not for me in JAWS 2018...

On 11/2/18, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
For me both Jaws Key+Tab as well as a simple say line, Jaws Key+NumPad 8,
reads the file name, date, file type and whether it's 27 of 52 or whatever.
It does not read it when you simply arrow down or up through the list of
files.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

I went to my "my documents" folder and pressed insert+tab and this is what I
heard:
Not Selected 2016Low-Vision Expo images‎8/‎22/‎2018 ‏‎5:29 AM File folder 1
of 885

Jaws 2019, Windows 10

But, Window-Eyes would have read the index number automatically.

Richard


“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under
pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of George Gray
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

I also have this situation. It appears that somehow a maximum of 13 is the
count in any Folder where I have many additional files.

If I pres Enter + T it reads the file name and whatever it's place in 13.
And, when I press Enter + Tab I hear the same.

Thanks.

On 11/2/18, Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In most cases, insert+tab will read the current item, plus how many of
how many.

I hope this works in your case.
At 05:29 AM 11/2/2018, you wrote:
I used to use window eyes. It would read the number if items in a
folder after reading off a file name. Is there a way to do this in
jaws? Right now jaws only reads item names in file explorer not how
many items there afterwards

Thanks

Jim






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HAVE A MAGNIFICENT DAY

GEORGE BURRELL GRAY

Ocean Winds
Cabarete/Sosua
REPUBLICA DOMINICANA










--
HAVE A MAGNIFICENT DAY

GEORGE BURRELL GRAY

Ocean Winds
Cabarete/Sosua
REPUBLICA DOMINICANA


FN Key And JAWS

Pastor Gil Pries <revgil@...>
 

The model number is K360.

 

Pastor Gil


locked Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Richard Turner
 

Sieghard,

Well said.  I’m quoting your last line here for context: “this can often also be beneficial since the larger company may eventually incorporate good aspects of the competition into their own product and with Microsoft stepping up development of Narrator and with NVDA doing a good job it is not like Jaws is without competition.”

Especially with Doug Geoffray being hired in 2017 to head up the Narrator project…For those who don’t know, Doug Geoffray was the G in GW Micro and the main developer of Window-Eyes, and Vocal-Eyes for DOS before that, and other great tech for the blind even before that.

 

 

 

Also, look at the companies Apple has bought up and incorporated into iOS.

 

Richard

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 8:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Yes, this does seem to be the way the world works now, it is the same in my industry which is outdoor and hunting/shooting. Well-known brands like North Face, Icebreaker Merino clothing, Arcteryx and so on all exist as a brand, but they have all been bought by large corporations who own sometimes dozens of brands and often even competing brands. North Face, for example is owned by Vanity Fare Corporation, an American worldwide apparel and footwear company founded in 1899, they recently bought Icebreaker which back in the mid 90's started the merino wool revolution in outdoor apparel after in the 80's everybody was into Polypropelin and Fleece and the synthetic materials were praised to heaven. They also own Smartwool which when both were independent companies were direct competitors. They also own Jann Sport Packs, Eastpak, Timberland shoes and they used to have a lingerie line/division which they sold to Fruit of the Loom. As soon as somebody starts a small company, designs a unique and in the end successful product it seems to be just a matter of time until they are bought out by some big guy. In the hotel industry a few large corporations now own most of the familiar hotel brands such as Best Western, Hilton, Delta, Holiday Inn and so on.

In this thread some of the Jaws bashers kept pointing out that Jaws may not even be around 10 years for now and of course nobody knows, but they are certainly doing anything right from a business point of view and I have a sense that they are a well-run company unlike Greyhound, for example. Yes, I know this isn't even Apples and Oranges, it's Apples and nails comparing those organisations, but a company is either well run and successful or poorly run and in decline. Greyhound recently pulled completely out of Canada except for some routes in the east and one route from Vancouver to Seattle and while they say it's because people nowadays either drive or fly, a lot of it is also because they just couldn't be bothered to change with the times and offer a modern bus experience. There was just now an article on CBC News about a german bus company called Phlixbus who now is considering coming into Canada to take over inter-city bus travel. They are owned by 3 mid-thirties German entrepreneurs who started the business not all that long ago and they are now in 28 countries including California and some other States and are quickly becoming the global dominance in bus travel. I don't want to go too much into the details, but they don't even own their busses but partner with existing bus companies and are more of a tech company providing the logistics similar to how Uber doesn't own their cars but uses people with their own vehicles to drive for them.

Vispero seems in my opinion to be a company who has a clear vision of where they want to be, yes, those who used Window Eyes for 20 years are sad that it's gone, but buying up a smaller competitor to shut them down is also normal business practice and it makes good sense. While competition is healthy this can often also be beneficial since the larger company may eventually incorporate good aspects of the competition into their own product and with Microsoft stepping up development of Narrator and with NVDA doing a good job it is not like Jaws is without competition.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 5:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

Angel,

VFO is the conglomerate that bought Freedom Scientific and a couple other companies several years ago, but kept the individual company names.

Then, they added AI Squared. AI Squared had recently bought out/merged with GW Micro; so VFO then owned JAWS, Window-Eyes, ZoomText, Optelec and I think something else.

STILL, they kept the individual companies identities in tact.

Then, as many of us still mourn, they got rid of Window-Eyes and soon after that pretty much got rid of Magic and made ZoomText their magnifier and JAWS their only screen Reader, and also made Fusion now a combined JAWS and ZoomText instead of ZoomText and Window-Eyes which it was with AI Squared.

Now, they bought some other company whose name escapes me and rebranded themselves as Vispero. But, still, all the individual companies have their own name and function.

Welcome to the world of the conglomerate take over.

The same thing has happened and is happening in the media world. Radio stations are owned by a handful of companies now when 30 or 40 years ago, many more were independantly owned, or were part of a very small group.

HTH

Richard

 

 

"It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really good books which are your very own." __  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle 


On Nov 2, 2018, at 11:24 PM, Angel <angel238@...> wrote:

I am confused.  What is Freedom Scientific called these days.  I thought it was called Foe.  Now, I hear it is called Vispero.

----- Original Message -----

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 12:18 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Dude… Seriously. Stop drowning in a  glass of water.

If you’re worried about Visperos viability 5 or 6 years from now, then just go year by year.  They’ve basically eliminated the barrier of the upfront cost or for those who have fallen behind

Pay your $90 to get current and move on to something else to fret over.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 4:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

Gotcha.  But Eric Damery, who has been posting about this new pricing arrangement on another JAWS mailing list, claims that it is cheaper than the SMA arrangement.  How is this possible?  Under the SMA arrangement, let’s calculate the cost for upgrading to JAWS 2019, 2020, 2021 and 2022.  By my calculation, the SMA route would cost $240, $120 for JAWS 2019 and 2020, and another $120 for JAWS 2021 and 2022.  Under the licensing arrangement, the cost would be $90 for each version of JAWS for a total of $360 for versions 2019, 2020,2021 and 2022.  Over the long run, the new licensing arrangement would be much more expensive.  And what is the advantage of taking out a 5 year license, which would cost $450 versus buying a new license each year for $90 a year?  There is no discount for paying in advance.  Suppose you pay for a 5 year license, and Vispero goes belly up in two years?  Then you’re totally screwed because there would probably be no way to obtain a refund for the years you have not yet used up.  Don’t think Vispero could ever go out of business?  Think again.  It has happened in the past.  Companies that sell products for the blind suddenly go under without notice and leave their customers in the lurch.  And with more and more JAWS users jumping to NVDA, and the fact that Vispero is essentially increasing the cost of upgrading JAWS every year, they could certainly tick off enough customers to go the way of GW Micro, Optalek and other companies that have bitten the dust.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 6:45 AM

To: main@...

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

From what I have read, as well as listened to from Freedom scientific staff and podcast, it would cost you $90 and it would be that recurring charge each year to keep a current license to have jaws installed and up to three computers.


On Nov 2, 2018, at 6:23 AM, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@...> wrote:

 

I’m confused.    Suppose I wanted to upgrade from JAWS 16, which is the version I am currently using, to JAWS 2019.  Are you saying that under the new licensing arrangement  I would only have to pay $90 for the upgrade, versus about $480 if I went the SMA route?  Or would I have to pay $270 to cover JAWS versions 17,18, and 2018, on top of the $90 for JAWS 2019? Please clarify.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 11:12 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

I think this is also an offer which would make it much less expensive for somebody who didn’t keep their SMA up-to-date to get current on Jaws. If, for example, somebody was still on Jaws 16 or even earlier they would have to pay several hundreds of Dollars to get current and then another $120 for the SMA. This way they can just subscribe for $90 a year and they are done. What I haven’t figured out yet is if this also applies for new Jaws users, e.g. if you don’t have Jaws at all, can you just pay $90 a year and download/use the latest version of Jaws and as long as you keep you rsubscription active then you can continue to do so? If so then this really is a good option for new Jaws users because instead of paying $900 or whatever Jaws costs + the cost of future SMA’s they would djust pay $90 a year. After 10 years you would have paid $900 which is I believe what Jaws Home costs, if you had bought it for $900 and then you would buy 5 SMA’s at $120/each you would have paid $1,500 after 10 years so if you are a new Jaws user then $90 a year really is a very reasonable price and who knows what happens in 5 or 6 let alpong 8 or 10 years, maybe Jaws won’t exist any more as such, maybe Microsoft buys them out and it gets merged with Narrator into Microsoft and becomes free, I certainly wouldn’t bet on Jaws being the leading screenreader in 10 years any more.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 7:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It sounds like it would be a bit more flexible since you don't have to fight with the activation as much if you use a lot of different computers, but otherwise it looks like a way to generate more revenue.  I just renewed my SMa, they will have a little while longer to wait for my extra revenue.

 

 

CH

On 11/1/2018 20:53, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a lot.� With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year.� But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year and it goes up from there.� What is the purpose of this?�

 

Stew

 

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael

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It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.

�

Is this correct?

�

I do have one concern, though.

�

$90 a year doesn�t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the license by December 31.

�

Am I missing something?

�

Tom Behler

�

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From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

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From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Michael:

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Where did you get this info?

�

I�m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.

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I�d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options if possible.

�

Thanks for the help!

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to get new versions when they release � you have access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows�, Microsoft Office�, your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison

What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive and sign in � your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal, non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

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From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

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Hello, everyone.

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I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can�t seem to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

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Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do something to renew it at some point.

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Up until now, I�ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.

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If there now is a more economical way to do this, I�d certainly love to learn about it.

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Dr.� Tom Behler from Michigan

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Re: Jaws and International Phonetic Alphabet

Leo
 

Thank you Nermin, I'll see what I can find...


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El 03/11/2018 a las 9:20, Sieghard Weitzel escribió:

Thanks, Nermin, now I learned something, "Postalphabet", I didn't know that one. I am german and speak it fluently, but I left there 29 years ago at the age of 22 so especially technology terms are sometimes more familiar to me in English than in German.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nermin via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 12:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and International Phonetic Alphabet

 

Hi Sieghard,

 

no, that would be the military alphabet or, as you’d rather say in German, “Postalphabet”. IPA is the international phonetic alphabet, which uses symbols to represent the sounds used in different languages. Vowels, different phoneme combinations, etc., are represented visually for someone to be able to pronounce a word or sentence properly (Lautschrift).

 

As for the original question, here is a page trying to make JaWS cope with IPA, but I don’t know if it’s being maintained.

And another for Braille and IPA:

 

Regards,

Nermin



Reading out page numbers

James Lockwood <lockwoodnd@...>
 

In window eyes whenever I would hit control page down I would move to the next page in a document. Window eeyes would say page to page 3 etc. When I first install jaws 2018 a few weeks ago after resetting my PC it was doing that. Now it’s not. When I move to the next page either by the arrow keys or page down command Josh never indicate I am on a different page. Is there a verbosity setting that is preventing this from being read? I also have 2019 installed it is not doing it either. Thank you for the help


Re: FM Key and Jaws

 

Which one, they make so many.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 8:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FM Key and Jaws

 

It’s a Logictech wireless keyboard.

 

Pastor Gil

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 8:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FM Key and Jaws

 

As I said, if the F Keys work as expected then pressing FN along with various Function keys will probably do things like mute, turning volume up or down, maybe change brightness etc. If you maybe provided the brand and model of your keyboard others who have the same keyboard could give you a more relevant answer. Essentially you can think of the FN key like a sort of shift or modifier key, it is typically used with the function keys and it causes a function key to perform a function different from that which it does when pressed by itself.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 4:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FM Key and Jaws

 

The function keys work by themselves.

So it must work for something else.

 

Thanks for reply.

 

Pastor Gil

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 10:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FM Key and Jaws

 

That depends on the keyboard and how it is configured.

I bought a Logitech K780 which out of the box required you to press the FN key if you wanted to use a function key when using the keyboard with a Windows PC.

If you pressed a function key without the FN key it would do system functions like increase or decrease screen brightness, turn the TouchPad on or off, raise or lower the volume, mute the sound etc.

For example, in Office applications F12 opens the older style Save As dialogue or in Jaws the Jaws key+F11 speaks the time, Jaws Key+F7 brings up a list of links on a webpage.

So, if I wanted F12 I had to press FN+F12, if I wanted Jaws to speak the time I had to press FN+Jaws Key+F11 etc.

Now, try pressing the Jaws Key (Insert on the Numpad) and FN all the way across on the left and then F7 to bring up a list of links, maybe if your fingers are a foot long you can do it.

I had to download the Logitech Options application which allows me to check a little checkbox which changed this so that when I use the keyboard for Windows the Function Keys just do what they should do without having to press FN.

Now if I want to press F1, F2 or F3 which are the keys which switch the keyboard to my iPhone (F2) or Apple TV (F3) or if I want to lower or increase the volume which is done with F11 and F12 I have to press the FN key, but since I don't do this as often I don't mind and if I press F2 (when I use the keyboard for my PC I have to press FN+F2) to switch to my iPhone then once it has switched I don't need to press the FN key anymore since the keyboard is smart enough to know when it is connected to a PC or to an iPhone or something else.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:51 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: FM Key and Jaws

 

HI,

I got a new keyboard and it has a FM key.

What does it do?

 

Thanks,

 

Pastor Gil


Re: FM Key and Jaws

Pastor Gil Pries <revgil@...>
 

It’s a Logictech wireless keyboard.

 

Pastor Gil

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 8:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FM Key and Jaws

 

As I said, if the F Keys work as expected then pressing FN along with various Function keys will probably do things like mute, turning volume up or down, maybe change brightness etc. If you maybe provided the brand and model of your keyboard others who have the same keyboard could give you a more relevant answer. Essentially you can think of the FN key like a sort of shift or modifier key, it is typically used with the function keys and it causes a function key to perform a function different from that which it does when pressed by itself.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 4:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FM Key and Jaws

 

The function keys work by themselves.

So it must work for something else.

 

Thanks for reply.

 

Pastor Gil

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 10:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FM Key and Jaws

 

That depends on the keyboard and how it is configured.

I bought a Logitech K780 which out of the box required you to press the FN key if you wanted to use a function key when using the keyboard with a Windows PC.

If you pressed a function key without the FN key it would do system functions like increase or decrease screen brightness, turn the TouchPad on or off, raise or lower the volume, mute the sound etc.

For example, in Office applications F12 opens the older style Save As dialogue or in Jaws the Jaws key+F11 speaks the time, Jaws Key+F7 brings up a list of links on a webpage.

So, if I wanted F12 I had to press FN+F12, if I wanted Jaws to speak the time I had to press FN+Jaws Key+F11 etc.

Now, try pressing the Jaws Key (Insert on the Numpad) and FN all the way across on the left and then F7 to bring up a list of links, maybe if your fingers are a foot long you can do it.

I had to download the Logitech Options application which allows me to check a little checkbox which changed this so that when I use the keyboard for Windows the Function Keys just do what they should do without having to press FN.

Now if I want to press F1, F2 or F3 which are the keys which switch the keyboard to my iPhone (F2) or Apple TV (F3) or if I want to lower or increase the volume which is done with F11 and F12 I have to press the FN key, but since I don't do this as often I don't mind and if I press F2 (when I use the keyboard for my PC I have to press FN+F2) to switch to my iPhone then once it has switched I don't need to press the FN key anymore since the keyboard is smart enough to know when it is connected to a PC or to an iPhone or something else.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:51 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: FM Key and Jaws

 

HI,

I got a new keyboard and it has a FM key.

What does it do?

 

Thanks,

 

Pastor Gil


Re: How to make jaws read number of items

 

You should see if maximizing the Window makes a difference.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of George Gray
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 8:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

Enter + 3 gives me the same as yours, but Enter + 8 still only gives
me the file number out of 13 when I know there are 120 files in the
Folder.

Yes, it is probably a Setting somewhere, but I have no idea as to
where to find it and have been hoping that one of the folks may know
the answer.

Thanks.

On 11/3/18, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@gmail.com> wrote:
I’m not at my computer right now, but going off of memory, I believe this is
a setting you can tweak in the verbosity settings of Jawss. There is
beginner, intermediate and advanced… Im each one, there are a series of
checkboxes you can check or uncheck depending on the behavior you wish.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 7:19 AM, Richard Turner <richardturner42@outlook.com>
wrote:

George, Did you say you are using Jaws 2018?
In my 2018, jaws-key, which is really the insert key, plus numpad 3, gives
me just the total number of items in that folder. While, insert plus
numpad 8, or the tab key give me the item number and the total number of
items.
It is the same in 2019. I just checked with both versions. So, that must
be a settings issue somewhere, but I really don't know where that setting
might be.

Richard



“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under
pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of George Gray
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

All that does is tell me the number of Item and that 1 is selected.
It does not tell me which number the Item is of how many there
are...thanks.

On 11/3/18, Mike B. <mike9902@gmx.com> wrote:
Hi George,

Will Jaws key + 3 / Page Down, on the numpad work for you?
Take care. Mike. Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In
the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: George Gray
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 4:45 AM
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items


Nope! Not for me in JAWS 2018...

On 11/2/18, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
For me both Jaws Key+Tab as well as a simple say line, Jaws
Key+NumPad 8, reads the file name, date, file type and whether it's
27 of 52 or whatever.
It does not read it when you simply arrow down or up through the
list of files.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

I went to my "my documents" folder and pressed insert+tab and this is
what

I
heard:
Not Selected 2016Low-Vision Expo images‎8/‎22/‎2018 ‏‎5:29 AM File
folder

1
of 885

Jaws 2019, Windows 10

But, Window-Eyes would have read the index number automatically.

Richard


“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip
under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of George
Gray
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

I also have this situation. It appears that somehow a maximum of 13
is the count in any Folder where I have many additional files.

If I pres Enter + T it reads the file name and whatever it's place in
13.
And, when I press Enter + Tab I hear the same.

Thanks.

On 11/2/18, Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In most cases, insert+tab will read the current item, plus how many
of how many.

I hope this works in your case.
At 05:29 AM 11/2/2018, you wrote:
I used to use window eyes. It would read the number if items in a
folder after reading off a file name. Is there a way to do this in
jaws? Right now jaws only reads item names in file explorer not how
many items there afterwards

Thanks

Jim






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Re: FM Key and Jaws

Pastor Gil Pries <revgil@...>
 

I have a desk top computer.

 

Pastor Gil

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 8:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FM Key and Jaws

 

Which I hate and which is why I changed it on my Logitech K780 keyboard so that the F Keys work by themselves as expected. My Asus laptop fortunately had the regular F Key functions without having to do anything, but I have yet to see a laptop where this can't be changed, you may need sighted help for it as in some cases it may be something in the BIOS, you would have to find out from the manual of your laptop how it's done.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 5:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FM Key and Jaws

 

If you want to press the  f numbers you have to press the fn key. 

For example: 

in laptop you want to press Jaws key with f4 key to quit Jaws you press the Jaws key in conjunction with the fn key and f4 to quit Jaws. 

 


On Nov 3, 2018, at 7:28 AM, Pastor Gil Pries <revgil@...> wrote:

The function keys work by themselves.

So it must work for something else.

 

Thanks for reply.

 

Pastor Gil

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 10:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FM Key and Jaws

 

That depends on the keyboard and how it is configured.

I bought a Logitech K780 which out of the box required you to press the FN key if you wanted to use a function key when using the keyboard with a Windows PC.

If you pressed a function key without the FN key it would do system functions like increase or decrease screen brightness, turn the TouchPad on or off, raise or lower the volume, mute the sound etc.

For example, in Office applications F12 opens the older style Save As dialogue or in Jaws the Jaws key+F11 speaks the time, Jaws Key+F7 brings up a list of links on a webpage.

So, if I wanted F12 I had to press FN+F12, if I wanted Jaws to speak the time I had to press FN+Jaws Key+F11 etc.

Now, try pressing the Jaws Key (Insert on the Numpad) and FN all the way across on the left and then F7 to bring up a list of links, maybe if your fingers are a foot long you can do it.

I had to download the Logitech Options application which allows me to check a little checkbox which changed this so that when I use the keyboard for Windows the Function Keys just do what they should do without having to press FN.

Now if I want to press F1, F2 or F3 which are the keys which switch the keyboard to my iPhone (F2) or Apple TV (F3) or if I want to lower or increase the volume which is done with F11 and F12 I have to press the FN key, but since I don't do this as often I don't mind and if I press F2 (when I use the keyboard for my PC I have to press FN+F2) to switch to my iPhone then once it has switched I don't need to press the FN key anymore since the keyboard is smart enough to know when it is connected to a PC or to an iPhone or something else.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:51 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: FM Key and Jaws

 

HI,

I got a new keyboard and it has a FM key.

What does it do?

 

Thanks,

 

Pastor Gil


locked Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Yes, this does seem to be the way the world works now, it is the same in my industry which is outdoor and hunting/shooting. Well-known brands like North Face, Icebreaker Merino clothing, Arcteryx and so on all exist as a brand, but they have all been bought by large corporations who own sometimes dozens of brands and often even competing brands. North Face, for example is owned by Vanity Fare Corporation, an American worldwide apparel and footwear company founded in 1899, they recently bought Icebreaker which back in the mid 90's started the merino wool revolution in outdoor apparel after in the 80's everybody was into Polypropelin and Fleece and the synthetic materials were praised to heaven. They also own Smartwool which when both were independent companies were direct competitors. They also own Jann Sport Packs, Eastpak, Timberland shoes and they used to have a lingerie line/division which they sold to Fruit of the Loom. As soon as somebody starts a small company, designs a unique and in the end successful product it seems to be just a matter of time until they are bought out by some big guy. In the hotel industry a few large corporations now own most of the familiar hotel brands such as Best Western, Hilton, Delta, Holiday Inn and so on.

In this thread some of the Jaws bashers kept pointing out that Jaws may not even be around 10 years for now and of course nobody knows, but they are certainly doing anything right from a business point of view and I have a sense that they are a well-run company unlike Greyhound, for example. Yes, I know this isn't even Apples and Oranges, it's Apples and nails comparing those organisations, but a company is either well run and successful or poorly run and in decline. Greyhound recently pulled completely out of Canada except for some routes in the east and one route from Vancouver to Seattle and while they say it's because people nowadays either drive or fly, a lot of it is also because they just couldn't be bothered to change with the times and offer a modern bus experience. There was just now an article on CBC News about a german bus company called Phlixbus who now is considering coming into Canada to take over inter-city bus travel. They are owned by 3 mid-thirties German entrepreneurs who started the business not all that long ago and they are now in 28 countries including California and some other States and are quickly becoming the global dominance in bus travel. I don't want to go too much into the details, but they don't even own their busses but partner with existing bus companies and are more of a tech company providing the logistics similar to how Uber doesn't own their cars but uses people with their own vehicles to drive for them.

Vispero seems in my opinion to be a company who has a clear vision of where they want to be, yes, those who used Window Eyes for 20 years are sad that it's gone, but buying up a smaller competitor to shut them down is also normal business practice and it makes good sense. While competition is healthy this can often also be beneficial since the larger company may eventually incorporate good aspects of the competition into their own product and with Microsoft stepping up development of Narrator and with NVDA doing a good job it is not like Jaws is without competition.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 5:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

Angel,

VFO is the conglomerate that bought Freedom Scientific and a couple other companies several years ago, but kept the individual company names.

Then, they added AI Squared. AI Squared had recently bought out/merged with GW Micro; so VFO then owned JAWS, Window-Eyes, ZoomText, Optelec and I think something else.

STILL, they kept the individual companies identities in tact.

Then, as many of us still mourn, they got rid of Window-Eyes and soon after that pretty much got rid of Magic and made ZoomText their magnifier and JAWS their only screen Reader, and also made Fusion now a combined JAWS and ZoomText instead of ZoomText and Window-Eyes which it was with AI Squared.

Now, they bought some other company whose name escapes me and rebranded themselves as Vispero. But, still, all the individual companies have their own name and function.

Welcome to the world of the conglomerate take over.

The same thing has happened and is happening in the media world. Radio stations are owned by a handful of companies now when 30 or 40 years ago, many more were independantly owned, or were part of a very small group.

HTH

Richard

 

 

"It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really good books which are your very own." __  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle 


On Nov 2, 2018, at 11:24 PM, Angel <angel238@...> wrote:

I am confused.  What is Freedom Scientific called these days.  I thought it was called Foe.  Now, I hear it is called Vispero.

----- Original Message -----

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 12:18 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Dude… Seriously. Stop drowning in a  glass of water.

If you’re worried about Visperos viability 5 or 6 years from now, then just go year by year.  They’ve basically eliminated the barrier of the upfront cost or for those who have fallen behind

Pay your $90 to get current and move on to something else to fret over.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 4:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

Gotcha.  But Eric Damery, who has been posting about this new pricing arrangement on another JAWS mailing list, claims that it is cheaper than the SMA arrangement.  How is this possible?  Under the SMA arrangement, let’s calculate the cost for upgrading to JAWS 2019, 2020, 2021 and 2022.  By my calculation, the SMA route would cost $240, $120 for JAWS 2019 and 2020, and another $120 for JAWS 2021 and 2022.  Under the licensing arrangement, the cost would be $90 for each version of JAWS for a total of $360 for versions 2019, 2020,2021 and 2022.  Over the long run, the new licensing arrangement would be much more expensive.  And what is the advantage of taking out a 5 year license, which would cost $450 versus buying a new license each year for $90 a year?  There is no discount for paying in advance.  Suppose you pay for a 5 year license, and Vispero goes belly up in two years?  Then you’re totally screwed because there would probably be no way to obtain a refund for the years you have not yet used up.  Don’t think Vispero could ever go out of business?  Think again.  It has happened in the past.  Companies that sell products for the blind suddenly go under without notice and leave their customers in the lurch.  And with more and more JAWS users jumping to NVDA, and the fact that Vispero is essentially increasing the cost of upgrading JAWS every year, they could certainly tick off enough customers to go the way of GW Micro, Optalek and other companies that have bitten the dust.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 6:45 AM

To: main@...

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

From what I have read, as well as listened to from Freedom scientific staff and podcast, it would cost you $90 and it would be that recurring charge each year to keep a current license to have jaws installed and up to three computers.


On Nov 2, 2018, at 6:23 AM, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@...> wrote:

 

I’m confused.    Suppose I wanted to upgrade from JAWS 16, which is the version I am currently using, to JAWS 2019.  Are you saying that under the new licensing arrangement  I would only have to pay $90 for the upgrade, versus about $480 if I went the SMA route?  Or would I have to pay $270 to cover JAWS versions 17,18, and 2018, on top of the $90 for JAWS 2019? Please clarify.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 11:12 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

I think this is also an offer which would make it much less expensive for somebody who didn’t keep their SMA up-to-date to get current on Jaws. If, for example, somebody was still on Jaws 16 or even earlier they would have to pay several hundreds of Dollars to get current and then another $120 for the SMA. This way they can just subscribe for $90 a year and they are done. What I haven’t figured out yet is if this also applies for new Jaws users, e.g. if you don’t have Jaws at all, can you just pay $90 a year and download/use the latest version of Jaws and as long as you keep you rsubscription active then you can continue to do so? If so then this really is a good option for new Jaws users because instead of paying $900 or whatever Jaws costs + the cost of future SMA’s they would djust pay $90 a year. After 10 years you would have paid $900 which is I believe what Jaws Home costs, if you had bought it for $900 and then you would buy 5 SMA’s at $120/each you would have paid $1,500 after 10 years so if you are a new Jaws user then $90 a year really is a very reasonable price and who knows what happens in 5 or 6 let alpong 8 or 10 years, maybe Jaws won’t exist any more as such, maybe Microsoft buys them out and it gets merged with Narrator into Microsoft and becomes free, I certainly wouldn’t bet on Jaws being the leading screenreader in 10 years any more.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 7:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It sounds like it would be a bit more flexible since you don't have to fight with the activation as much if you use a lot of different computers, but otherwise it looks like a way to generate more revenue.  I just renewed my SMa, they will have a little while longer to wait for my extra revenue.

 

 

CH

On 11/1/2018 20:53, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a lot.� With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year.� But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year and it goes up from there.� What is the purpose of this?�

 

Stew

 

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael

�

It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.

�

Is this correct?

�

I do have one concern, though.

�

$90 a year doesn�t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the license by December 31.

�

Am I missing something?

�

Tom Behler

�

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From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

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From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Michael:

�

Where did you get this info?

�

I�m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.

�

I�d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options if possible.

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Thanks for the help!

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Tom Behler

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

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Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to get new versions when they release � you have access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows�, Microsoft Office�, your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison

What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive and sign in � your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal, non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

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From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

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locked Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

Peter Donahue
 

Good morning everyone,

 

                In compliance with one of our parent company's rules of conduct and a wish not to clutter up the list with unwanted banquet if you want additional information please contact me privately. Several folks here have already done that. We'll be meeting with one of them this afternoon. All the best.

 

Peter Donahue

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

Gimmy some of that special sauce. 


On Nov 2, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

Hi Peter,

 

Could you be just a little bit more specific, what you say is pretty vague like "Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income streams" and "Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago".

What business idea was shared with you? Can you give just some rough examples of some of these potential income streams? Just curious.

I once read some posts on a different list where somebody was setting up Go Fund Me campagnes asking for money to buy stuff, hopefully your "business idea" is di

 

ferent because to me that is little different from begging. Online fund raising just as traditional fund raising for a specific purpose where maybe a family's home burned down or the primary bread winner of the family was seriously hurt or killed in an accident  is fine and I have often contributed to such fund raisers. But nowadays when you  look at Go Fund Me or other such sites where people beg for money because they want to go on vacation or because they can't afford something they want then I certainly wouldn't give them a single Penny. Once a very very long time ago when I was very young I fell for one of these get rich schemes with real estate. I happened to hear this infomercial about this guy who was just itching to share with everybody how you can get rich in less than a year buy buying real estate and he showed off all these happy people who bought his tutorial for $199 which was only $99 if you acted now and on and on. Of course it came with a full money back guaranty and naiive as I was I ordered it. It ended up being like a dozen CD's where he went on and on saying nothing and repeating himself and it was a complete waste of time and money. I called to get my money back but of course because of some condition I forgot I didn't qualify, basically guys like that are like the old snakeoil sales people who sell a cure for something and the only thing it cures is their own wallet.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

Good morning everyone,

 

                A lot of blind people also choose not to create income streams to generate the money to self-fund whatever blindness products and services they need. Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income streams. We have heard nothing but excuses from blind people we tried to reach out to to help them improve their financial situation. Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago this past January we were able to buy the latest upgrade of Jaws for Windows, the Dusbury Braille Translator, and my wife Mary bought herself a Braille-Edge 40 without seeking help from rehab thank you

 

                Let me shut down some other rubbish that has come upon other lists on which we shared these accomplishments. Recall above that we said we're willing to help others accomplish what we have done to be better positioned to meet the costs of blindness products and services only to be told we were braggers, and were called many other names I won't repeat. Braggers don't reach out to help others improve their financial situation. I hate to say it but those with such mindsets and who do nothing but complain about the high cost of blindness products and services without being willing to do something about it have created their own problems. While it's true society doesn't always have the best attitude towards the blind the blind themselves are also responsible for their lack of financial resources if opportunities are placed in their laps and they fail to get on board.

 

                I also want to commend VFO for it's new pricing and authorization scheme. They have done something to make it easier for blind people to buy their products. It's now up to blind individuals to seek out opportunities to develop the needed income streams so they can buy whatever VFO product they need without having to turn to rehab for help. Again Mary and I stand ready to assist anyone wishing to follow our lead so they can do what we've accomplished. All the best.

 

Peter Donahue

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.  Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive our JAWS from agencies?

 

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a lot. With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year. But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year and it goes up from there. What is the purpose of this?

 

Stew

 

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.

Is this correct?

I do have one concern, though.

$90 a year doesnt seem to be that great of a deal, since back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the license by December 31.

Am I missing something?

Tom Behler

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

from the fs e store.

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Michael:

Where did you get this info?

Im asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.

Id like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options if possible.

Thanks for the help!

Tom Behler

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to get new versions when they release you have access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Office, your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison

What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive and sign in your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal, non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Hello, everyone.

I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but cant seem to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do something to renew it at some point.

Up until now, Ive renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.

If there now is a more economical way to do this, Id certainly love to learn about it.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 


Re: What is your first version of Jaws

Steve Matzura
 

If somebody wants my old JAWS serial number of  1577, which is only useable on Windows  3.11, they're welcome to it.

On 11/2/2018 2:27 AM, Angel wrote:
I don't think we should be telling the list our Jaws serial numbers. Couldn't those who wish to steal Jaws take advantage of knowing them?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Hicks" <bob@seeinghandassociation.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: What is your first version of Jaws


With 48264 I am way behind!

Have a great day, 73

Bob Hicks, KC8CR

Windows 7 and 10 home 64 bit


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 12:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What is your first version of Jaws

Hey Ward,

For me it was also Jaws for DOS back in September or October of 1989.
I then had Jaws for Windows from the first release in the early 90's with Windows 3.1, then 3.11 and of course with Windows 95, 98 and 98SE things really started getting more serious.
Sounds like we have most of these young guys on the list beat, but let's see, what is your Jaws serial number? I have serial number 1056 and that has been my serial number for the last almost 30 years.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ward Dudley
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 7:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What is your first version of Jaws

Jaws for DOS.


Ward


On 10/31/2018 5:30 PM, Larry Gassman wrote:
I don't remember the exact version but it was 1997.  So it had to be
around 2. something.
Larry
At 03:17 PM 10/31/2018, you wrote:

I started with JAWS 3.1.



Maria Campbell
<mailto:lucky1inct@gmail.com>lucky1inct@gmail.com

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~

On 10/31/2018 6:15 PM, Michael Munn wrote:
Man! You'all had been using Jaws for a long time. I had been using
Jaws for only 2 years. My first Jaws version was Jaws17. I learned
my command from other screen reader. You know that all screen
reader have the same element. T for table H for heading and B for
button... I was a former Window-eyes user for  couple months.Â


"If a person must be blind, it is better to be blind in Iowa than
anywhere else in the nation or in the world."
Harold Russell,Â
Des MoinesÂ
1968
Michael Munn
Member:
Virginia Association of Blind Student Delegate:Â Â Virginia
Association of Blind Student Student of:
Hadley Institute for the Blind
<http://www.hadley.edu>www.hadley.edu
Email address:
<mailto:michaelrbms@gmail.com>michaelrbms@gmail.com




On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 5:05 PM David Moore
<<mailto:jesusloves1966@gmail.com>jesusloves1966@gmail.com> wrote:

My first version of JAWS was 3.7.

I began using that version when I went back to Ohio State University
in 2002!

David Moore

Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for
Windows 10

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From: <mailto:northstarr1950@gmail.com>ratshtron
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 4:59 PM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What is your first version of Jaws

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hmmm, my first jaws was 2.0.

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