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Re: FM Key and Jaws

 

That depends on the keyboard and how it is configured.

I bought a Logitech K780 which out of the box required you to press the FN key if you wanted to use a function key when using the keyboard with a Windows PC.

If you pressed a function key without the FN key it would do system functions like increase or decrease screen brightness, turn the TouchPad on or off, raise or lower the volume, mute the sound etc.

For example, in Office applications F12 opens the older style Save As dialogue or in Jaws the Jaws key+F11 speaks the time, Jaws Key+F7 brings up a list of links on a webpage.

So, if I wanted F12 I had to press FN+F12, if I wanted Jaws to speak the time I had to press FN+Jaws Key+F11 etc.

Now, try pressing the Jaws Key (Insert on the Numpad) and FN all the way across on the left and then F7 to bring up a list of links, maybe if your fingers are a foot long you can do it.

I had to download the Logitech Options application which allows me to check a little checkbox which changed this so that when I use the keyboard for Windows the Function Keys just do what they should do without having to press FN.

Now if I want to press F1, F2 or F3 which are the keys which switch the keyboard to my iPhone (F2) or Apple TV (F3) or if I want to lower or increase the volume which is done with F11 and F12 I have to press the FN key, but since I don't do this as often I don't mind and if I press F2 (when I use the keyboard for my PC I have to press FN+F2) to switch to my iPhone then once it has switched I don't need to press the FN key anymore since the keyboard is smart enough to know when it is connected to a PC or to an iPhone or something else.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:51 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: FM Key and Jaws

 

HI,

I got a new keyboard and it has a FM key.

What does it do?

 

Thanks,

 

Pastor Gil


locked Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Yes, that is a good point and being able to manage that will be a good thing. However, 4 or 5 would be better than 3, after all, you can now install Office on up to 6 computers. I have my laptop at home and I have a business where I have 4 more desktops all of which I need to use on a regular bases and if I have my main office PC activated and my laptop at home and the PC I mostly use when I'm on the floor receiving inventory, creating purchase orders or just answering emails it would be a real drag if I had to ring somebody through on the register computer and I couldn't use it because I was using my 3 activations on other PC's.

Anyhow, it's a mute point at this point until Vispero in fact does away with the SMA model and goes to a subscription model entirely.

I wonder what would happen to all the USB dongles out there, would they no longer work, either?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

That’s one problem the licensing portal would solve, assuming VFO actually did it correctly. For example: you can’t call up MS and say give me more activations please and bam, your O365 is reset. However, you *can* log into O365, kill any licenses you’re not using, and there you go. Heck, kill any licenses you *are* using, and the thing will just revert to limited functionality anyway. That was actually my only complaint ever when JAWS moved to ILM ages ago. The SMA itself I had little to no problem with. It was the needing to reset my activations rather than just take one back if the machine died—something I’m probably going to have to do when I replace the desktop that died a death last October.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: November-03-18 12:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

If memory serves me correct, you can get emails from outlook as part of office 365 even if your subscription runs out.  You just cannot reply to the messages. The nice thing about the SMA is you can put it on as many computers as you want providing of course you own them.  Apparently, 5 computers are licensed but, you just need to tell them you need more activations.  I went through 2 lap tops in one year.  One, the hard drive went and the battery on a full charge, only lasted for 11 minutes.  I cannot remember why the other one went.  Point is the license and Sma can be used for more then one computer, thus you can make it work.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: November 2, 2018 9:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Thank you Al for saying this. I really wonder why Maria, Gerald and a few others who seem to have little good to say about Vispero and Jaws just don't use NVDA. Of course I doubt they would ever think of contributing to the development of NVDA by making a $5 or $10 donation, but that's OK (for now at least).

As for Gerald's awesome idea to buy a subscription every two years I hate to disappoint him, but I have a feeling that Vispero has thought of that. After all, a subscription is a subscription and that means whatever you get during your subscription period you will not get if you end the subscription. In other words, I assume if you stopped paying the subscription Jaws would simply revert to 40-minute demo mode since when it starts up and goes online to the Vispero server to check the license it will see "Gerald hasn't paid up, go into 40 minute mode".

This is no different from Office 365, you can download and use all the Office apps as long as your Office 365 subscription is active, if you cancel your payment you get a message that you can still use certain features which are free, i.e. I think you can still open files and view them, but you can't edit them etc.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Al
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 2:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It amazes me what lengts folks will do to try to put the screws to others. If everybody took this route and VO had to close up then you all would be complaining that you ended up getting screwed yourselves. By the way, if you buy a license every other year, did it ever cross your mind that you would have to buy the year that you so wisely skipped?

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 4:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Actually, that's even less expensive than the SMA, since it makes it $45 per year.  Hmm.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/2/2018 5:25 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:

I'll keep that in mind when they yank the SMA.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/2/2018 5:22 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

I thought of a suggestion for beating Vispero at its own game.  Instead of buying a one year license every year, why not consider buying a one year license every two years instead?  So if you purchase a one year license for JAWS 2019, consider skipping JAWS 2020, unless it has some new feature you feel that you must absolutely have, and buy a one year license again when JAWS 2021 is released.  This way, you have the benefit of keeping JAWS reasonably up to date and slashing yourannual cost for JAWS in half.  As JAWS 2019 demonstrates, Vispero is finally running out of ideas for new whiz bang features, and is concentrating more on bug fixes and minor enhancements, some of which may be of dubious value.  So just buy a one year license in odd years, or even years, whichever you prefer.  Some users have reported that JAWS versions released in odd years have fewer bugs than those released in even years, while others have reported just the opposite.  Take your pick.  In any case, it’s like having your cake and eating it, too. So instead of being a slave to the annual update, stick it to Vispero instead.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 4:20 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

As others have pointed out many times, no one’s making you use Jaws. NVDA’s nice and free. I’m primarily a Jaws user and use NVDA mainly in a pinch or if Jaws has frozen on me, but I still donate to the NVDA project. It’s good that there’s an option for those who don’t have the means for commercial screen readers and alternatives are always good. But yes, please come back with some sort of line of how NVDA is a public project that can be abandoned at any time blah blah blah.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

According to Eric, the advantage of buying a five year license is that it protects you against future price increases.  So if you buy a five year license now for $450, which works out to $90 a year, and Vispero decides next year to raise the price of a one year license to $100, you are locked in to the cheaper price for five years.  What a swell bunch of guys!

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Dave Durber

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 2:55 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Hello Gerald:

 

Don't forget the interest on the money if customers decide to pay for the additional years.

 

The are laughing all the way to the bank. In addition, it is a case of having their cake and eating it!

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 3:21 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

You’re absolutely right.  To me, the five year license is nothing but a scam to get customers to pay upfront so that Vispero has the use of these funds immediately.  If they were really concerned about their customers who live on fixed incomes, they would offer a discount of say, 10% or 15% if you buy a five years license so that it would cost only $400 instead of $450, as a gesture of good faith to their long-term customers.  Again, I see no advantage paying $450 up front for a five year license when buying an annual license every year for the next five years would cost exactly the same.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 11:06 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.  Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive our JAWS from agencies?

 

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a lot.� With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year.� But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year and it goes up from there.� What is the purpose of this?�

 

Stew

 

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

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From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

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Michael:

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

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Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to get new versions when they release � you have access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows�, Microsoft Office�, your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison

What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive and sign in � your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal, non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

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From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

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Hello, everyone.

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I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can�t seem to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

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Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do something to renew it at some point.

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Re: In JAWS 2019 how do I turn back on both the "tab" and "alt+tab" key sounds?

 

Key labels has been there for a long time, maybe in Jaws 2019 they muted the tab key default, I did that years ago since I don't care to hear it spoken.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shan Noyes
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: In JAWS 2019 how do I turn back on both the "tab" and "alt+tab" key sounds?

 

 

I am happy that they implemented this feature in the new version of jaws have a nice day shan 


On Nov 1, 2018, at 7:19 PM, Mike B. <mike9902@...> wrote:

Hi Richard,

 

Try the following:

1. Open the Settings Center with the keystroke, Jaws key + 6, on the number row then press, control, shift + D, to open default all applications.

2. Navigate to, Keyboard closed, and press right arrow to open.

3. Down arrow to, General closed, and right arrow to open.

4. Down arrow to, Manage key labels..., and press the spacebar to open.  Note;  don't press enter , if you press enter it'll close the Settings Center.

5. Press the letter, T, and it'll take you to, Tab tab mute, now tab 1 time an you'll hear, toggle mute button, so press the spacebar to hear, Tab tab speak.

6. Tab to, Okay, press the spacebar, again tab to, Okay, press enter to save & close.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 5:15 PM

Subject: In JAWS 2019 how do I turn back on both the "tab" and "alt+tab" key sounds?

 

Hi!

 

I like hearing the sounds “tab” and “alt+tab” when I press these keys so that I get that confirmation.  Apparently, in JAWS 2019 this functionality is defaulted to “off.”  How can I turn this back on?

 

Thanks,

Richard


FM Key and Jaws

Pastor Gil Pries <revgil@...>
 

HI,

I got a new keyboard and it has a FM key.

What does it do?

 

Thanks,

 

Pastor Gil


locked Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

James Homuth
 

Ha. Having a sense of humor isn’t against the rules, yet. I should think about changing that…

 

James,

List Admin

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: November-03-18 12:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

She claims I know how to keep a woman happy. You’re right.  This is far too much fun.  I better quit, before I get put on moderated status or worse. I’ve been booted off lists for far less reasons.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: November 2, 2018 9:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

David, are you that good looking or is she planning to threaten people that unless they pay her you'll show up in their bedroom *smile*

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

My wife suggested hiring me out as an escort so we could get extra money. Would that too fall under the umbrella of generating extra income?  LOL.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: November 2, 2018 8:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

Gimmy some of that special sauce. 


On Nov 2, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

Hi Peter,

 

Could you be just a little bit more specific, what you say is pretty vague like "Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income streams" and "Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago".

What business idea was shared with you? Can you give just some rough examples of some of these potential income streams? Just curious.

I once read some posts on a different list where somebody was setting up Go Fund Me campagnes asking for money to buy stuff, hopefully your "business idea" is di

 

ferent because to me that is little different from begging. Online fund raising just as traditional fund raising for a specific purpose where maybe a family's home burned down or the primary bread winner of the family was seriously hurt or killed in an accident  is fine and I have often contributed to such fund raisers. But nowadays when you  look at Go Fund Me or other such sites where people beg for money because they want to go on vacation or because they can't afford something they want then I certainly wouldn't give them a single Penny. Once a very very long time ago when I was very young I fell for one of these get rich schemes with real estate. I happened to hear this infomercial about this guy who was just itching to share with everybody how you can get rich in less than a year buy buying real estate and he showed off all these happy people who bought his tutorial for $199 which was only $99 if you acted now and on and on. Of course it came with a full money back guaranty and naiive as I was I ordered it. It ended up being like a dozen CD's where he went on and on saying nothing and repeating himself and it was a complete waste of time and money. I called to get my money back but of course because of some condition I forgot I didn't qualify, basically guys like that are like the old snakeoil sales people who sell a cure for something and the only thing it cures is their own wallet.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

Good morning everyone,

 

                A lot of blind people also choose not to create income streams to generate the money to self-fund whatever blindness products and services they need. Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income streams. We have heard nothing but excuses from blind people we tried to reach out to to help them improve their financial situation. Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago this past January we were able to buy the latest upgrade of Jaws for Windows, the Dusbury Braille Translator, and my wife Mary bought herself a Braille-Edge 40 without seeking help from rehab thank you

 

                Let me shut down some other rubbish that has come upon other lists on which we shared these accomplishments. Recall above that we said we're willing to help others accomplish what we have done to be better positioned to meet the costs of blindness products and services only to be told we were braggers, and were called many other names I won't repeat. Braggers don't reach out to help others improve their financial situation. I hate to say it but those with such mindsets and who do nothing but complain about the high cost of blindness products and services without being willing to do something about it have created their own problems. While it's true society doesn't always have the best attitude towards the blind the blind themselves are also responsible for their lack of financial resources if opportunities are placed in their laps and they fail to get on board.

 

                I also want to commend VFO for it's new pricing and authorization scheme. They have done something to make it easier for blind people to buy their products. It's now up to blind individuals to seek out opportunities to develop the needed income streams so they can buy whatever VFO product they need without having to turn to rehab for help. Again Mary and I stand ready to assist anyone wishing to follow our lead so they can do what we've accomplished. All the best.

 

Peter Donahue

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.  Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive our JAWS from agencies?

 

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a lot. With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year. But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year and it goes up from there. What is the purpose of this?

 

Stew

 

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.

Is this correct?

I do have one concern, though.

$90 a year doesnt seem to be that great of a deal, since back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the license by December 31.

Am I missing something?

Tom Behler

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

from the fs e store.

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Michael:

Where did you get this info?

Im asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.

Id like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options if possible.

Thanks for the help!

Tom Behler

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to get new versions when they release you have access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Office, your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison

What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive and sign in your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal, non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Hello, everyone.

I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but cant seem to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do something to renew it at some point.

Up until now, Ive renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.

If there now is a more economical way to do this, Id certainly love to learn about it.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 


locked Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

James Homuth
 

That’s one problem the licensing portal would solve, assuming VFO actually did it correctly. For example: you can’t call up MS and say give me more activations please and bam, your O365 is reset. However, you *can* log into O365, kill any licenses you’re not using, and there you go. Heck, kill any licenses you *are* using, and the thing will just revert to limited functionality anyway. That was actually my only complaint ever when JAWS moved to ILM ages ago. The SMA itself I had little to no problem with. It was the needing to reset my activations rather than just take one back if the machine died—something I’m probably going to have to do when I replace the desktop that died a death last October.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: November-03-18 12:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

If memory serves me correct, you can get emails from outlook as part of office 365 even if your subscription runs out.  You just cannot reply to the messages. The nice thing about the SMA is you can put it on as many computers as you want providing of course you own them.  Apparently, 5 computers are licensed but, you just need to tell them you need more activations.  I went through 2 lap tops in one year.  One, the hard drive went and the battery on a full charge, only lasted for 11 minutes.  I cannot remember why the other one went.  Point is the license and Sma can be used for more then one computer, thus you can make it work.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: November 2, 2018 9:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Thank you Al for saying this. I really wonder why Maria, Gerald and a few others who seem to have little good to say about Vispero and Jaws just don't use NVDA. Of course I doubt they would ever think of contributing to the development of NVDA by making a $5 or $10 donation, but that's OK (for now at least).

As for Gerald's awesome idea to buy a subscription every two years I hate to disappoint him, but I have a feeling that Vispero has thought of that. After all, a subscription is a subscription and that means whatever you get during your subscription period you will not get if you end the subscription. In other words, I assume if you stopped paying the subscription Jaws would simply revert to 40-minute demo mode since when it starts up and goes online to the Vispero server to check the license it will see "Gerald hasn't paid up, go into 40 minute mode".

This is no different from Office 365, you can download and use all the Office apps as long as your Office 365 subscription is active, if you cancel your payment you get a message that you can still use certain features which are free, i.e. I think you can still open files and view them, but you can't edit them etc.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Al
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 2:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It amazes me what lengts folks will do to try to put the screws to others. If everybody took this route and VO had to close up then you all would be complaining that you ended up getting screwed yourselves. By the way, if you buy a license every other year, did it ever cross your mind that you would have to buy the year that you so wisely skipped?

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 4:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Actually, that's even less expensive than the SMA, since it makes it $45 per year.  Hmm.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/2/2018 5:25 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:

I'll keep that in mind when they yank the SMA.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/2/2018 5:22 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

I thought of a suggestion for beating Vispero at its own game.  Instead of buying a one year license every year, why not consider buying a one year license every two years instead?  So if you purchase a one year license for JAWS 2019, consider skipping JAWS 2020, unless it has some new feature you feel that you must absolutely have, and buy a one year license again when JAWS 2021 is released.  This way, you have the benefit of keeping JAWS reasonably up to date and slashing yourannual cost for JAWS in half.  As JAWS 2019 demonstrates, Vispero is finally running out of ideas for new whiz bang features, and is concentrating more on bug fixes and minor enhancements, some of which may be of dubious value.  So just buy a one year license in odd years, or even years, whichever you prefer.  Some users have reported that JAWS versions released in odd years have fewer bugs than those released in even years, while others have reported just the opposite.  Take your pick.  In any case, it’s like having your cake and eating it, too. So instead of being a slave to the annual update, stick it to Vispero instead.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 4:20 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

As others have pointed out many times, no one’s making you use Jaws. NVDA’s nice and free. I’m primarily a Jaws user and use NVDA mainly in a pinch or if Jaws has frozen on me, but I still donate to the NVDA project. It’s good that there’s an option for those who don’t have the means for commercial screen readers and alternatives are always good. But yes, please come back with some sort of line of how NVDA is a public project that can be abandoned at any time blah blah blah.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

According to Eric, the advantage of buying a five year license is that it protects you against future price increases.  So if you buy a five year license now for $450, which works out to $90 a year, and Vispero decides next year to raise the price of a one year license to $100, you are locked in to the cheaper price for five years.  What a swell bunch of guys!

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 2:55 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Hello Gerald:

 

Don't forget the interest on the money if customers decide to pay for the additional years.

 

The are laughing all the way to the bank. In addition, it is a case of having their cake and eating it!

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 3:21 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

You’re absolutely right.  To me, the five year license is nothing but a scam to get customers to pay upfront so that Vispero has the use of these funds immediately.  If they were really concerned about their customers who live on fixed incomes, they would offer a discount of say, 10% or 15% if you buy a five years license so that it would cost only $400 instead of $450, as a gesture of good faith to their long-term customers.  Again, I see no advantage paying $450 up front for a five year license when buying an annual license every year for the next five years would cost exactly the same.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 11:06 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.  Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive our JAWS from agencies?

 

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a lot.� With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year.� But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year and it goes up from there.� What is the purpose of this?�

 

Stew

 

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

�

It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.

�

Is this correct?

�

I do have one concern, though.

�

$90 a year doesn�t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the license by December 31.

�

Am I missing something?

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

from the fs e store.

�

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Michael:

�

Where did you get this info?

�

I�m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.

�

I�d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options if possible.

�

Thanks for the help!

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to get new versions when they release � you have access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows�, Microsoft Office�, your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison

What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive and sign in � your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal, non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Hello, everyone.

�

I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can�t seem to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

�

Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do something to renew it at some point.

�

Up until now, I�ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.

�

If there now is a more economical way to do this, I�d certainly love to learn about it.

�

Dr.� Tom Behler from Michigan

�

�

 

 

 

 


locked Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

David & his pack of dogs
 

If memory serves me correct, you can get emails from outlook as part of office 365 even if your subscription runs out.  You just cannot reply to the messages. The nice thing about the SMA is you can put it on as many computers as you want providing of course you own them.  Apparently, 5 computers are licensed but, you just need to tell them you need more activations.  I went through 2 lap tops in one year.  One, the hard drive went and the battery on a full charge, only lasted for 11 minutes.  I cannot remember why the other one went.  Point is the license and Sma can be used for more then one computer, thus you can make it work.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: November 2, 2018 9:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Thank you Al for saying this. I really wonder why Maria, Gerald and a few others who seem to have little good to say about Vispero and Jaws just don't use NVDA. Of course I doubt they would ever think of contributing to the development of NVDA by making a $5 or $10 donation, but that's OK (for now at least).

As for Gerald's awesome idea to buy a subscription every two years I hate to disappoint him, but I have a feeling that Vispero has thought of that. After all, a subscription is a subscription and that means whatever you get during your subscription period you will not get if you end the subscription. In other words, I assume if you stopped paying the subscription Jaws would simply revert to 40-minute demo mode since when it starts up and goes online to the Vispero server to check the license it will see "Gerald hasn't paid up, go into 40 minute mode".

This is no different from Office 365, you can download and use all the Office apps as long as your Office 365 subscription is active, if you cancel your payment you get a message that you can still use certain features which are free, i.e. I think you can still open files and view them, but you can't edit them etc.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Al
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 2:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It amazes me what lengts folks will do to try to put the screws to others. If everybody took this route and VO had to close up then you all would be complaining that you ended up getting screwed yourselves. By the way, if you buy a license every other year, did it ever cross your mind that you would have to buy the year that you so wisely skipped?

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 4:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Actually, that's even less expensive than the SMA, since it makes it $45 per year.  Hmm.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/2/2018 5:25 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:

I'll keep that in mind when they yank the SMA.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/2/2018 5:22 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

I thought of a suggestion for beating Vispero at its own game.  Instead of buying a one year license every year, why not consider buying a one year license every two years instead?  So if you purchase a one year license for JAWS 2019, consider skipping JAWS 2020, unless it has some new feature you feel that you must absolutely have, and buy a one year license again when JAWS 2021 is released.  This way, you have the benefit of keeping JAWS reasonably up to date and slashing yourannual cost for JAWS in half.  As JAWS 2019 demonstrates, Vispero is finally running out of ideas for new whiz bang features, and is concentrating more on bug fixes and minor enhancements, some of which may be of dubious value.  So just buy a one year license in odd years, or even years, whichever you prefer.  Some users have reported that JAWS versions released in odd years have fewer bugs than those released in even years, while others have reported just the opposite.  Take your pick.  In any case, it’s like having your cake and eating it, too. So instead of being a slave to the annual update, stick it to Vispero instead.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 4:20 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

As others have pointed out many times, no one’s making you use Jaws. NVDA’s nice and free. I’m primarily a Jaws user and use NVDA mainly in a pinch or if Jaws has frozen on me, but I still donate to the NVDA project. It’s good that there’s an option for those who don’t have the means for commercial screen readers and alternatives are always good. But yes, please come back with some sort of line of how NVDA is a public project that can be abandoned at any time blah blah blah.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

According to Eric, the advantage of buying a five year license is that it protects you against future price increases.  So if you buy a five year license now for $450, which works out to $90 a year, and Vispero decides next year to raise the price of a one year license to $100, you are locked in to the cheaper price for five years.  What a swell bunch of guys!

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 2:55 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Hello Gerald:

 

Don't forget the interest on the money if customers decide to pay for the additional years.

 

The are laughing all the way to the bank. In addition, it is a case of having their cake and eating it!

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 3:21 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

You’re absolutely right.  To me, the five year license is nothing but a scam to get customers to pay upfront so that Vispero has the use of these funds immediately.  If they were really concerned about their customers who live on fixed incomes, they would offer a discount of say, 10% or 15% if you buy a five years license so that it would cost only $400 instead of $450, as a gesture of good faith to their long-term customers.  Again, I see no advantage paying $450 up front for a five year license when buying an annual license every year for the next five years would cost exactly the same.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 11:06 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.  Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive our JAWS from agencies?

 

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a lot.� With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year.� But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year and it goes up from there.� What is the purpose of this?�

 

Stew

 

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

�

It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.

�

Is this correct?

�

I do have one concern, though.

�

$90 a year doesn�t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the license by December 31.

�

Am I missing something?

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

from the fs e store.

�

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Michael:

�

Where did you get this info?

�

I�m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.

�

I�d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options if possible.

�

Thanks for the help!

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to get new versions when they release � you have access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows�, Microsoft Office�, your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison

What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive and sign in � your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal, non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Hello, everyone.

�

I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can�t seem to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

�

Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do something to renew it at some point.

�

Up until now, I�ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.

�

If there now is a more economical way to do this, I�d certainly love to learn about it.

�

Dr.� Tom Behler from Michigan

�

�

 

 

 

 


Re: In JAWS 2019 how do I turn back on both the "tab" and "alt+tab" key sounds?

Shan Noyes
 


I am happy that they implemented this feature in the new version of jaws have a nice day shan 


On Nov 1, 2018, at 7:19 PM, Mike B. <mike9902@...> wrote:

Hi Richard,
 
Try the following:
1. Open the Settings Center with the keystroke, Jaws key + 6, on the number row then press, control, shift + D, to open default all applications.
2. Navigate to, Keyboard closed, and press right arrow to open.
3. Down arrow to, General closed, and right arrow to open.
4. Down arrow to, Manage key labels..., and press the spacebar to open.  Note;  don't press enter , if you press enter it'll close the Settings Center.
5. Press the letter, T, and it'll take you to, Tab tab mute, now tab 1 time an you'll hear, toggle mute button, so press the spacebar to hear, Tab tab speak.
6. Tab to, Okay, press the spacebar, again tab to, Okay, press enter to save & close.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 5:15 PM
Subject: In JAWS 2019 how do I turn back on both the "tab" and "alt+tab" key sounds?

Hi!

 

I like hearing the sounds “tab” and “alt+tab” when I press these keys so that I get that confirmation.  Apparently, in JAWS 2019 this functionality is defaulted to “off.”  How can I turn this back on?

 

Thanks,

Richard


Re: Jaws and International Phonetic Alphabet

 

What exactly is meant by IPA? Does it refer to Jaws saying "bravo" for b?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 4:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and International Phonetic Alphabet

 

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 01:08 PM, Lev wrote:

Is it possible to jaws to read IPA (international Phonetic Alphabet) symbols?

This is a serious question:   Read them how?  or  Read them as what?

Most IPA symbols do not, to my knowledge, have single-syllable names such as most letters do.   I can't conceive of what would be used for the IPA character to name for single character by character reading.  If you start getting into the diacritics it gets even messier.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

  If you remove all the homosexuals and homosexual influences from what is generally regarded as American culture, you are pretty much left with Let's Make a Deal.

          ~ Fran Lebowitz


locked Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

David & his pack of dogs
 

She claims I know how to keep a woman happy. You’re right.  This is far too much fun.  I better quit, before I get put on moderated status or worse. I’ve been booted off lists for far less reasons.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: November 2, 2018 9:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

David, are you that good looking or is she planning to threaten people that unless they pay her you'll show up in their bedroom *smile*

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

My wife suggested hiring me out as an escort so we could get extra money. Would that too fall under the umbrella of generating extra income?  LOL.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: November 2, 2018 8:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

Gimmy some of that special sauce. 


On Nov 2, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

Hi Peter,

 

Could you be just a little bit more specific, what you say is pretty vague like "Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income streams" and "Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago".

What business idea was shared with you? Can you give just some rough examples of some of these potential income streams? Just curious.

I once read some posts on a different list where somebody was setting up Go Fund Me campagnes asking for money to buy stuff, hopefully your "business idea" is di

 

ferent because to me that is little different from begging. Online fund raising just as traditional fund raising for a specific purpose where maybe a family's home burned down or the primary bread winner of the family was seriously hurt or killed in an accident  is fine and I have often contributed to such fund raisers. But nowadays when you  look at Go Fund Me or other such sites where people beg for money because they want to go on vacation or because they can't afford something they want then I certainly wouldn't give them a single Penny. Once a very very long time ago when I was very young I fell for one of these get rich schemes with real estate. I happened to hear this infomercial about this guy who was just itching to share with everybody how you can get rich in less than a year buy buying real estate and he showed off all these happy people who bought his tutorial for $199 which was only $99 if you acted now and on and on. Of course it came with a full money back guaranty and naiive as I was I ordered it. It ended up being like a dozen CD's where he went on and on saying nothing and repeating himself and it was a complete waste of time and money. I called to get my money back but of course because of some condition I forgot I didn't qualify, basically guys like that are like the old snakeoil sales people who sell a cure for something and the only thing it cures is their own wallet.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

Good morning everyone,

 

                A lot of blind people also choose not to create income streams to generate the money to self-fund whatever blindness products and services they need. Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income streams. We have heard nothing but excuses from blind people we tried to reach out to to help them improve their financial situation. Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago this past January we were able to buy the latest upgrade of Jaws for Windows, the Dusbury Braille Translator, and my wife Mary bought herself a Braille-Edge 40 without seeking help from rehab thank you

 

                Let me shut down some other rubbish that has come upon other lists on which we shared these accomplishments. Recall above that we said we're willing to help others accomplish what we have done to be better positioned to meet the costs of blindness products and services only to be told we were braggers, and were called many other names I won't repeat. Braggers don't reach out to help others improve their financial situation. I hate to say it but those with such mindsets and who do nothing but complain about the high cost of blindness products and services without being willing to do something about it have created their own problems. While it's true society doesn't always have the best attitude towards the blind the blind themselves are also responsible for their lack of financial resources if opportunities are placed in their laps and they fail to get on board.

 

                I also want to commend VFO for it's new pricing and authorization scheme. They have done something to make it easier for blind people to buy their products. It's now up to blind individuals to seek out opportunities to develop the needed income streams so they can buy whatever VFO product they need without having to turn to rehab for help. Again Mary and I stand ready to assist anyone wishing to follow our lead so they can do what we've accomplished. All the best.

 

Peter Donahue

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.  Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive our JAWS from agencies?

 

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a lot. With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year. But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year and it goes up from there. What is the purpose of this?

 

Stew

 

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.

Is this correct?

I do have one concern, though.

$90 a year doesnt seem to be that great of a deal, since back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the license by December 31.

Am I missing something?

Tom Behler

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

from the fs e store.

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Michael:

Where did you get this info?

Im asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.

Id like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options if possible.

Thanks for the help!

Tom Behler

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to get new versions when they release you have access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Office, your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison

What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive and sign in your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal, non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Hello, everyone.

I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but cant seem to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do something to renew it at some point.

Up until now, Ive renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.

If there now is a more economical way to do this, Id certainly love to learn about it.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 


locked Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

David, are you that good looking or is she planning to threaten people that unless they pay her you'll show up in their bedroom *smile*

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

My wife suggested hiring me out as an escort so we could get extra money. Would that too fall under the umbrella of generating extra income?  LOL.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: November 2, 2018 8:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

Gimmy some of that special sauce. 


On Nov 2, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

Hi Peter,

 

Could you be just a little bit more specific, what you say is pretty vague like "Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income streams" and "Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago".

What business idea was shared with you? Can you give just some rough examples of some of these potential income streams? Just curious.

I once read some posts on a different list where somebody was setting up Go Fund Me campagnes asking for money to buy stuff, hopefully your "business idea" is di

 

ferent because to me that is little different from begging. Online fund raising just as traditional fund raising for a specific purpose where maybe a family's home burned down or the primary bread winner of the family was seriously hurt or killed in an accident  is fine and I have often contributed to such fund raisers. But nowadays when you  look at Go Fund Me or other such sites where people beg for money because they want to go on vacation or because they can't afford something they want then I certainly wouldn't give them a single Penny. Once a very very long time ago when I was very young I fell for one of these get rich schemes with real estate. I happened to hear this infomercial about this guy who was just itching to share with everybody how you can get rich in less than a year buy buying real estate and he showed off all these happy people who bought his tutorial for $199 which was only $99 if you acted now and on and on. Of course it came with a full money back guaranty and naiive as I was I ordered it. It ended up being like a dozen CD's where he went on and on saying nothing and repeating himself and it was a complete waste of time and money. I called to get my money back but of course because of some condition I forgot I didn't qualify, basically guys like that are like the old snakeoil sales people who sell a cure for something and the only thing it cures is their own wallet.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

Good morning everyone,

 

                A lot of blind people also choose not to create income streams to generate the money to self-fund whatever blindness products and services they need. Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income streams. We have heard nothing but excuses from blind people we tried to reach out to to help them improve their financial situation. Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago this past January we were able to buy the latest upgrade of Jaws for Windows, the Dusbury Braille Translator, and my wife Mary bought herself a Braille-Edge 40 without seeking help from rehab thank you

 

                Let me shut down some other rubbish that has come upon other lists on which we shared these accomplishments. Recall above that we said we're willing to help others accomplish what we have done to be better positioned to meet the costs of blindness products and services only to be told we were braggers, and were called many other names I won't repeat. Braggers don't reach out to help others improve their financial situation. I hate to say it but those with such mindsets and who do nothing but complain about the high cost of blindness products and services without being willing to do something about it have created their own problems. While it's true society doesn't always have the best attitude towards the blind the blind themselves are also responsible for their lack of financial resources if opportunities are placed in their laps and they fail to get on board.

 

                I also want to commend VFO for it's new pricing and authorization scheme. They have done something to make it easier for blind people to buy their products. It's now up to blind individuals to seek out opportunities to develop the needed income streams so they can buy whatever VFO product they need without having to turn to rehab for help. Again Mary and I stand ready to assist anyone wishing to follow our lead so they can do what we've accomplished. All the best.

 

Peter Donahue

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.  Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive our JAWS from agencies?

 

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a lot. With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year. But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year and it goes up from there. What is the purpose of this?

 

Stew

 

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.

Is this correct?

I do have one concern, though.

$90 a year doesnt seem to be that great of a deal, since back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the license by December 31.

Am I missing something?

Tom Behler

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

from the fs e store.

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Michael:

Where did you get this info?

Im asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.

Id like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options if possible.

Thanks for the help!

Tom Behler

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to get new versions when they release you have access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Office, your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison

What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive and sign in your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal, non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Hello, everyone.

I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but cant seem to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do something to renew it at some point.

Up until now, Ive renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.

If there now is a more economical way to do this, Id certainly love to learn about it.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 


locked Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Hey Cristobal, this thread is just too much fun, best email entertainment I had in a while.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 3:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

15 whole dollars. You’re showing them. You could also really stick it to them by switching over to NVDA and pay nothing at all.  Then you could tell the big bad Vispero folks… Who’s your daddy!

Good God.

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 2:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Actually, that's even less expensive than the SMA, since it makes it $45 per year.  Hmm.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/2/2018 5:25 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:

I'll keep that in mind when they yank the SMA.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/2/2018 5:22 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

I thought of a suggestion for beating Vispero at its own game.  Instead of buying a one year license every year, why not consider buying a one year license every two years instead?  So if you purchase a one year license for JAWS 2019, consider skipping JAWS 2020, unless it has some new feature you feel that you must absolutely have, and buy a one year license again when JAWS 2021 is released.  This way, you have the benefit of keeping JAWS reasonably up to date and slashing yourannual cost for JAWS in half.  As JAWS 2019 demonstrates, Vispero is finally running out of ideas for new whiz bang features, and is concentrating more on bug fixes and minor enhancements, some of which may be of dubious value.  So just buy a one year license in odd years, or even years, whichever you prefer.  Some users have reported that JAWS versions released in odd years have fewer bugs than those released in even years, while others have reported just the opposite.  Take your pick.  In any case, it’s like having your cake and eating it, too. So instead of being a slave to the annual update, stick it to Vispero instead.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 4:20 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

As others have pointed out many times, no one’s making you use Jaws. NVDA’s nice and free. I’m primarily a Jaws user and use NVDA mainly in a pinch or if Jaws has frozen on me, but I still donate to the NVDA project. It’s good that there’s an option for those who don’t have the means for commercial screen readers and alternatives are always good. But yes, please come back with some sort of line of how NVDA is a public project that can be abandoned at any time blah blah blah.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

According to Eric, the advantage of buying a five year license is that it protects you against future price increases.  So if you buy a five year license now for $450, which works out to $90 a year, and Vispero decides next year to raise the price of a one year license to $100, you are locked in to the cheaper price for five years.  What a swell bunch of guys!

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Dave Durber

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 2:55 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Hello Gerald:

 

Don't forget the interest on the money if customers decide to pay for the additional years.

 

The are laughing all the way to the bank. In addition, it is a case of having their cake and eating it!

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 3:21 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

You’re absolutely right.  To me, the five year license is nothing but a scam to get customers to pay upfront so that Vispero has the use of these funds immediately.  If they were really concerned about their customers who live on fixed incomes, they would offer a discount of say, 10% or 15% if you buy a five years license so that it would cost only $400 instead of $450, as a gesture of good faith to their long-term customers.  Again, I see no advantage paying $450 up front for a five year license when buying an annual license every year for the next five years would cost exactly the same.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 11:06 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.  Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive our JAWS from agencies?

 

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a lot.� With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year.� But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year and it goes up from there.� What is the purpose of this?�

 

Stew

 

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

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It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.

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Is this correct?

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I do have one concern, though.

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$90 a year doesn�t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the license by December 31.

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Am I missing something?

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

from the fs e store.

�

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Michael:

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Where did you get this info?

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I�m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.

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I�d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options if possible.

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Thanks for the help!

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to get new versions when they release � you have access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows�, Microsoft Office�, your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison

What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive and sign in � your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal, non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Hello, everyone.

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I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can�t seem to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

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Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do something to renew it at some point.

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Up until now, I�ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.

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If there now is a more economical way to do this, I�d certainly love to learn about it.

�

Dr.� Tom Behler from Michigan

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locked Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

David & his pack of dogs
 

My wife suggested hiring me out as an escort so we could get extra money. Would that too fall under the umbrella of generating extra income?  LOL.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: November 2, 2018 8:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

Gimmy some of that special sauce. 


On Nov 2, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

Hi Peter,

 

Could you be just a little bit more specific, what you say is pretty vague like "Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income streams" and "Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago".

What business idea was shared with you? Can you give just some rough examples of some of these potential income streams? Just curious.

I once read some posts on a different list where somebody was setting up Go Fund Me campagnes asking for money to buy stuff, hopefully your "business idea" is di

 

ferent because to me that is little different from begging. Online fund raising just as traditional fund raising for a specific purpose where maybe a family's home burned down or the primary bread winner of the family was seriously hurt or killed in an accident  is fine and I have often contributed to such fund raisers. But nowadays when you  look at Go Fund Me or other such sites where people beg for money because they want to go on vacation or because they can't afford something they want then I certainly wouldn't give them a single Penny. Once a very very long time ago when I was very young I fell for one of these get rich schemes with real estate. I happened to hear this infomercial about this guy who was just itching to share with everybody how you can get rich in less than a year buy buying real estate and he showed off all these happy people who bought his tutorial for $199 which was only $99 if you acted now and on and on. Of course it came with a full money back guaranty and naiive as I was I ordered it. It ended up being like a dozen CD's where he went on and on saying nothing and repeating himself and it was a complete waste of time and money. I called to get my money back but of course because of some condition I forgot I didn't qualify, basically guys like that are like the old snakeoil sales people who sell a cure for something and the only thing it cures is their own wallet.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

Good morning everyone,

 

                A lot of blind people also choose not to create income streams to generate the money to self-fund whatever blindness products and services they need. Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income streams. We have heard nothing but excuses from blind people we tried to reach out to to help them improve their financial situation. Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago this past January we were able to buy the latest upgrade of Jaws for Windows, the Dusbury Braille Translator, and my wife Mary bought herself a Braille-Edge 40 without seeking help from rehab thank you

 

                Let me shut down some other rubbish that has come upon other lists on which we shared these accomplishments. Recall above that we said we're willing to help others accomplish what we have done to be better positioned to meet the costs of blindness products and services only to be told we were braggers, and were called many other names I won't repeat. Braggers don't reach out to help others improve their financial situation. I hate to say it but those with such mindsets and who do nothing but complain about the high cost of blindness products and services without being willing to do something about it have created their own problems. While it's true society doesn't always have the best attitude towards the blind the blind themselves are also responsible for their lack of financial resources if opportunities are placed in their laps and they fail to get on board.

 

                I also want to commend VFO for it's new pricing and authorization scheme. They have done something to make it easier for blind people to buy their products. It's now up to blind individuals to seek out opportunities to develop the needed income streams so they can buy whatever VFO product they need without having to turn to rehab for help. Again Mary and I stand ready to assist anyone wishing to follow our lead so they can do what we've accomplished. All the best.

 

Peter Donahue

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.  Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive our JAWS from agencies?

 

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a lot. With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year. But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year and it goes up from there. What is the purpose of this?

 

Stew

 

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.

Is this correct?

I do have one concern, though.

$90 a year doesnt seem to be that great of a deal, since back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the license by December 31.

Am I missing something?

Tom Behler

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

from the fs e store.

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Michael:

Where did you get this info?

Im asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.

Id like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options if possible.

Thanks for the help!

Tom Behler

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to get new versions when they release you have access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Office, your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison

What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive and sign in your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal, non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Hello, everyone.

I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but cant seem to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do something to renew it at some point.

Up until now, Ive renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.

If there now is a more economical way to do this, Id certainly love to learn about it.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 


locked Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

I believe Vispero moved into a larger building which will allow them, just as any business, to grow and provide their employees with a better work environment. Why you make guesses about moving to a higher rent district is beyond me since it has no bases in fact.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 3:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

I don't think Vispero is crying the blues, as they have moved to probably a higher rent district, thus the price hike.

Heck, I'm willing to pay for an increase in the SMA, so no, I'm not trying to "put the screws" to anyone, as you so eloquently state.

 

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/2/2018 5:38 PM, Al wrote:

It amazes me what lengts folks will do to try to put the screws to others. If everybody took this route and VO had to close up then you all would be complaining that you ended up getting screwed yourselves. By the way, if you buy a license every other year, did it ever cross your mind that you would have to buy the year that you so wisely skipped?

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 4:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Actually, that's even less expensive than the SMA, since it makes it $45 per year.  Hmm.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/2/2018 5:25 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:

I'll keep that in mind when they yank the SMA.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/2/2018 5:22 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

I thought of a suggestion for beating Vispero at its own game.  Instead of buying a one year license every year, why not consider buying a one year license every two years instead?  So if you purchase a one year license for JAWS 2019, consider skipping JAWS 2020, unless it has some new feature you feel that you must absolutely have, and buy a one year license again when JAWS 2021 is released.  This way, you have the benefit of keeping JAWS reasonably up to date and slashing yourannual cost for JAWS in half.  As JAWS 2019 demonstrates, Vispero is finally running out of ideas for new whiz bang features, and is concentrating more on bug fixes and minor enhancements, some of which may be of dubious value.  So just buy a one year license in odd years, or even years, whichever you prefer.  Some users have reported that JAWS versions released in odd years have fewer bugs than those released in even years, while others have reported just the opposite.  Take your pick.  In any case, it’s like having your cake and eating it, too. So instead of being a slave to the annual update, stick it to Vispero instead.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 4:20 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

As others have pointed out many times, no one’s making you use Jaws. NVDA’s nice and free. I’m primarily a Jaws user and use NVDA mainly in a pinch or if Jaws has frozen on me, but I still donate to the NVDA project. It’s good that there’s an option for those who don’t have the means for commercial screen readers and alternatives are always good. But yes, please come back with some sort of line of how NVDA is a public project that can be abandoned at any time blah blah blah.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

According to Eric, the advantage of buying a five year license is that it protects you against future price increases.  So if you buy a five year license now for $450, which works out to $90 a year, and Vispero decides next year to raise the price of a one year license to $100, you are locked in to the cheaper price for five years.  What a swell bunch of guys!

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Dave Durber

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 2:55 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Hello Gerald:

 

Don't forget the interest on the money if customers decide to pay for the additional years.

 

The are laughing all the way to the bank. In addition, it is a case of having their cake and eating it!

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 3:21 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

You’re absolutely right.  To me, the five year license is nothing but a scam to get customers to pay upfront so that Vispero has the use of these funds immediately.  If they were really concerned about their customers who live on fixed incomes, they would offer a discount of say, 10% or 15% if you buy a five years license so that it would cost only $400 instead of $450, as a gesture of good faith to their long-term customers.  Again, I see no advantage paying $450 up front for a five year license when buying an annual license every year for the next five years would cost exactly the same.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 11:06 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.  Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive our JAWS from agencies?

 

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a lot.� With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year.� But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year and it goes up from there.� What is the purpose of this?�

 

Stew

 

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

�

It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.

�

Is this correct?

�

I do have one concern, though.

�

$90 a year doesn�t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the license by December 31.

�

Am I missing something?

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

from the fs e store.

�

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Michael:

�

Where did you get this info?

�

I�m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.

�

I�d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options if possible.

�

Thanks for the help!

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to get new versions when they release � you have access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows�, Microsoft Office�, your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison

What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive and sign in � your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal, non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Hello, everyone.

�

I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can�t seem to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

�

Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do something to renew it at some point.

�

Up until now, I�ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.

�

If there now is a more economical way to do this, I�d certainly love to learn about it.

�

Dr.� Tom Behler from Michigan

�

�

 

 

 

 

 


locked Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Thank you Al for saying this. I really wonder why Maria, Gerald and a few others who seem to have little good to say about Vispero and Jaws just don't use NVDA. Of course I doubt they would ever think of contributing to the development of NVDA by making a $5 or $10 donation, but that's OK (for now at least).

As for Gerald's awesome idea to buy a subscription every two years I hate to disappoint him, but I have a feeling that Vispero has thought of that. After all, a subscription is a subscription and that means whatever you get during your subscription period you will not get if you end the subscription. In other words, I assume if you stopped paying the subscription Jaws would simply revert to 40-minute demo mode since when it starts up and goes online to the Vispero server to check the license it will see "Gerald hasn't paid up, go into 40 minute mode".

This is no different from Office 365, you can download and use all the Office apps as long as your Office 365 subscription is active, if you cancel your payment you get a message that you can still use certain features which are free, i.e. I think you can still open files and view them, but you can't edit them etc.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Al
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 2:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It amazes me what lengts folks will do to try to put the screws to others. If everybody took this route and VO had to close up then you all would be complaining that you ended up getting screwed yourselves. By the way, if you buy a license every other year, did it ever cross your mind that you would have to buy the year that you so wisely skipped?

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 4:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Actually, that's even less expensive than the SMA, since it makes it $45 per year.  Hmm.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/2/2018 5:25 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:

I'll keep that in mind when they yank the SMA.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/2/2018 5:22 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

I thought of a suggestion for beating Vispero at its own game.  Instead of buying a one year license every year, why not consider buying a one year license every two years instead?  So if you purchase a one year license for JAWS 2019, consider skipping JAWS 2020, unless it has some new feature you feel that you must absolutely have, and buy a one year license again when JAWS 2021 is released.  This way, you have the benefit of keeping JAWS reasonably up to date and slashing yourannual cost for JAWS in half.  As JAWS 2019 demonstrates, Vispero is finally running out of ideas for new whiz bang features, and is concentrating more on bug fixes and minor enhancements, some of which may be of dubious value.  So just buy a one year license in odd years, or even years, whichever you prefer.  Some users have reported that JAWS versions released in odd years have fewer bugs than those released in even years, while others have reported just the opposite.  Take your pick.  In any case, it’s like having your cake and eating it, too. So instead of being a slave to the annual update, stick it to Vispero instead.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 4:20 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

As others have pointed out many times, no one’s making you use Jaws. NVDA’s nice and free. I’m primarily a Jaws user and use NVDA mainly in a pinch or if Jaws has frozen on me, but I still donate to the NVDA project. It’s good that there’s an option for those who don’t have the means for commercial screen readers and alternatives are always good. But yes, please come back with some sort of line of how NVDA is a public project that can be abandoned at any time blah blah blah.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

According to Eric, the advantage of buying a five year license is that it protects you against future price increases.  So if you buy a five year license now for $450, which works out to $90 a year, and Vispero decides next year to raise the price of a one year license to $100, you are locked in to the cheaper price for five years.  What a swell bunch of guys!

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Dave Durber

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 2:55 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Hello Gerald:

 

Don't forget the interest on the money if customers decide to pay for the additional years.

 

The are laughing all the way to the bank. In addition, it is a case of having their cake and eating it!

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 3:21 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

You’re absolutely right.  To me, the five year license is nothing but a scam to get customers to pay upfront so that Vispero has the use of these funds immediately.  If they were really concerned about their customers who live on fixed incomes, they would offer a discount of say, 10% or 15% if you buy a five years license so that it would cost only $400 instead of $450, as a gesture of good faith to their long-term customers.  Again, I see no advantage paying $450 up front for a five year license when buying an annual license every year for the next five years would cost exactly the same.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 11:06 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.  Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive our JAWS from agencies?

 

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a lot.� With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year.� But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year and it goes up from there.� What is the purpose of this?�

 

Stew

 

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

�

It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.

�

Is this correct?

�

I do have one concern, though.

�

$90 a year doesn�t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the license by December 31.

�

Am I missing something?

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

from the fs e store.

�

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Michael:

�

Where did you get this info?

�

I�m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.

�

I�d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options if possible.

�

Thanks for the help!

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to get new versions when they release � you have access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows�, Microsoft Office�, your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison

What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive and sign in � your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal, non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Hello, everyone.

�

I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can�t seem to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

�

Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do something to renew it at some point.

�

Up until now, I�ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.

�

If there now is a more economical way to do this, I�d certainly love to learn about it.

�

Dr.� Tom Behler from Michigan

�

�

 

 

 

 


locked Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

David & his pack of dogs
 

I saw on Face Book where someone was asking for donations for her birthday.  As for Peter’s comment, yes, I agree with Sieghard, it is extremely vague.  "Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income streams", that could include robbing banks, or running a bordello  as a way of generating income. I’m sure it does not however, it could fall under the vague umbrella of generating income.  One cannot tar all blind people with the same brush of stating a lot are lazy and would rather not work and just want the money coming in, with little effort, Just as one should not tar a certain language group by saying they are all misogynist’s. Or, in my case being from Canada, stating we all say A.    .     

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: November 2, 2018 8:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

Hi Peter,

 

Could you be just a little bit more specific, what you say is pretty vague like "Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income streams" and "Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago".

What business idea was shared with you? Can you give just some rough examples of some of these potential income streams? Just curious.

I once read some posts on a different list where somebody was setting up Go Fund Me campagnes asking for money to buy stuff, hopefully your "business idea" is di

 

ferent because to me that is little different from begging. Online fund raising just as traditional fund raising for a specific purpose where maybe a family's home burned down or the primary bread winner of the family was seriously hurt or killed in an accident  is fine and I have often contributed to such fund raisers. But nowadays when you  look at Go Fund Me or other such sites where people beg for money because they want to go on vacation or because they can't afford something they want then I certainly wouldn't give them a single Penny. Once a very very long time ago when I was very young I fell for one of these get rich schemes with real estate. I happened to hear this infomercial about this guy who was just itching to share with everybody how you can get rich in less than a year buy buying real estate and he showed off all these happy people who bought his tutorial for $199 which was only $99 if you acted now and on and on. Of course it came with a full money back guaranty and naiive as I was I ordered it. It ended up being like a dozen CD's where he went on and on saying nothing and repeating himself and it was a complete waste of time and money. I called to get my money back but of course because of some condition I forgot I didn't qualify, basically guys like that are like the old snakeoil sales people who sell a cure for something and the only thing it cures is their own wallet.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

Good morning everyone,

 

                A lot of blind people also choose not to create income streams to generate the money to self-fund whatever blindness products and services they need. Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income streams. We have heard nothing but excuses from blind people we tried to reach out to to help them improve their financial situation. Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago this past January we were able to buy the latest upgrade of Jaws for Windows, the Dusbury Braille Translator, and my wife Mary bought herself a Braille-Edge 40 without seeking help from rehab thank you

 

                Let me shut down some other rubbish that has come upon other lists on which we shared these accomplishments. Recall above that we said we're willing to help others accomplish what we have done to be better positioned to meet the costs of blindness products and services only to be told we were braggers, and were called many other names I won't repeat. Braggers don't reach out to help others improve their financial situation. I hate to say it but those with such mindsets and who do nothing but complain about the high cost of blindness products and services without being willing to do something about it have created their own problems. While it's true society doesn't always have the best attitude towards the blind the blind themselves are also responsible for their lack of financial resources if opportunities are placed in their laps and they fail to get on board.

 

                I also want to commend VFO for it's new pricing and authorization scheme. They have done something to make it easier for blind people to buy their products. It's now up to blind individuals to seek out opportunities to develop the needed income streams so they can buy whatever VFO product they need without having to turn to rehab for help. Again Mary and I stand ready to assist anyone wishing to follow our lead so they can do what we've accomplished. All the best.

 

Peter Donahue

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.  Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive our JAWS from agencies?

 

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a lot.� With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year.� But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year and it goes up from there.� What is the purpose of this?�

 

Stew

 

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

�

It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.

�

Is this correct?

�

I do have one concern, though.

�

$90 a year doesn�t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the license by December 31.

�

Am I missing something?

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

from the fs e store.

�

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Michael:

�

Where did you get this info?

�

I�m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.

�

I�d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options if possible.

�

Thanks for the help!

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to get new versions when they release � you have access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows�, Microsoft Office�, your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison

What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive and sign in � your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal, non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Hello, everyone.

�

I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can�t seem to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

�

Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do something to renew it at some point.

�

Up until now, I�ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.

�

If there now is a more economical way to do this, I�d certainly love to learn about it.

�

Dr.� Tom Behler from Michigan

�

�

 

 


locked Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

Cristóbal
 

Gimmy some of that special sauce. 

On Nov 2, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

Hi Peter,

 

Could you be just a little bit more specific, what you say is pretty vague like "Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income streams" and "Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago".

What business idea was shared with you? Can you give just some rough examples of some of these potential income streams? Just curious.

I once read some posts on a different list where somebody was setting up Go Fund Me campagnes asking for money to buy stuff, hopefully your "business idea" is di

 

ferent because to me that is little different from begging. Online fund raising just as traditional fund raising for a specific purpose where maybe a family's home burned down or the primary bread winner of the family was seriously hurt or killed in an accident  is fine and I have often contributed to such fund raisers. But nowadays when you  look at Go Fund Me or other such sites where people beg for money because they want to go on vacation or because they can't afford something they want then I certainly wouldn't give them a single Penny. Once a very very long time ago when I was very young I fell for one of these get rich schemes with real estate. I happened to hear this infomercial about this guy who was just itching to share with everybody how you can get rich in less than a year buy buying real estate and he showed off all these happy people who bought his tutorial for $199 which was only $99 if you acted now and on and on. Of course it came with a full money back guaranty and naiive as I was I ordered it. It ended up being like a dozen CD's where he went on and on saying nothing and repeating himself and it was a complete waste of time and money. I called to get my money back but of course because of some condition I forgot I didn't qualify, basically guys like that are like the old snakeoil sales people who sell a cure for something and the only thing it cures is their own wallet.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

Good morning everyone,

 

                A lot of blind people also choose not to create income streams to generate the money to self-fund whatever blindness products and services they need. Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income streams. We have heard nothing but excuses from blind people we tried to reach out to to help them improve their financial situation. Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago this past January we were able to buy the latest upgrade of Jaws for Windows, the Dusbury Braille Translator, and my wife Mary bought herself a Braille-Edge 40 without seeking help from rehab thank you

 

                Let me shut down some other rubbish that has come upon other lists on which we shared these accomplishments. Recall above that we said we're willing to help others accomplish what we have done to be better positioned to meet the costs of blindness products and services only to be told we were braggers, and were called many other names I won't repeat. Braggers don't reach out to help others improve their financial situation. I hate to say it but those with such mindsets and who do nothing but complain about the high cost of blindness products and services without being willing to do something about it have created their own problems. While it's true society doesn't always have the best attitude towards the blind the blind themselves are also responsible for their lack of financial resources if opportunities are placed in their laps and they fail to get on board.

 

                I also want to commend VFO for it's new pricing and authorization scheme. They have done something to make it easier for blind people to buy their products. It's now up to blind individuals to seek out opportunities to develop the needed income streams so they can buy whatever VFO product they need without having to turn to rehab for help. Again Mary and I stand ready to assist anyone wishing to follow our lead so they can do what we've accomplished. All the best.

 

Peter Donahue

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.  Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive our JAWS from agencies?

 

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a lot.� With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year.� But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year and it goes up from there.� What is the purpose of this?�

 

Stew

 

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.

Is this correct?

I do have one concern, though.

$90 a year doesn�t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the license by December 31.

Am I missing something?

Tom Behler

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

from the fs e store.

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Michael:

Where did you get this info?

I�m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.

I�d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options if possible.

Thanks for the help!

Tom Behler

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to get new versions when they release � you have access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows�, Microsoft Office�, your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison

What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive and sign in � your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal, non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Hello, everyone.

I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can�t seem to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do something to renew it at some point.

Up until now, I�ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.

If there now is a more economical way to do this, I�d certainly love to learn about it.

Dr.� Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 


locked Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

Hi Peter,

 

Could you be just a little bit more specific, what you say is pretty vague like "Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income streams" and "Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago".

What business idea was shared with you? Can you give just some rough examples of some of these potential income streams? Just curious.

I once read some posts on a different list where somebody was setting up Go Fund Me campagnes asking for money to buy stuff, hopefully your "business idea" is di

 

ferent because to me that is little different from begging. Online fund raising just as traditional fund raising for a specific purpose where maybe a family's home burned down or the primary bread winner of the family was seriously hurt or killed in an accident  is fine and I have often contributed to such fund raisers. But nowadays when you  look at Go Fund Me or other such sites where people beg for money because they want to go on vacation or because they can't afford something they want then I certainly wouldn't give them a single Penny. Once a very very long time ago when I was very young I fell for one of these get rich schemes with real estate. I happened to hear this infomercial about this guy who was just itching to share with everybody how you can get rich in less than a year buy buying real estate and he showed off all these happy people who bought his tutorial for $199 which was only $99 if you acted now and on and on. Of course it came with a full money back guaranty and naiive as I was I ordered it. It ended up being like a dozen CD's where he went on and on saying nothing and repeating himself and it was a complete waste of time and money. I called to get my money back but of course because of some condition I forgot I didn't qualify, basically guys like that are like the old snakeoil sales people who sell a cure for something and the only thing it cures is their own wallet.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

Good morning everyone,

 

                A lot of blind people also choose not to create income streams to generate the money to self-fund whatever blindness products and services they need. Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income streams. We have heard nothing but excuses from blind people we tried to reach out to to help them improve their financial situation. Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago this past January we were able to buy the latest upgrade of Jaws for Windows, the Dusbury Braille Translator, and my wife Mary bought herself a Braille-Edge 40 without seeking help from rehab thank you

 

                Let me shut down some other rubbish that has come upon other lists on which we shared these accomplishments. Recall above that we said we're willing to help others accomplish what we have done to be better positioned to meet the costs of blindness products and services only to be told we were braggers, and were called many other names I won't repeat. Braggers don't reach out to help others improve their financial situation. I hate to say it but those with such mindsets and who do nothing but complain about the high cost of blindness products and services without being willing to do something about it have created their own problems. While it's true society doesn't always have the best attitude towards the blind the blind themselves are also responsible for their lack of financial resources if opportunities are placed in their laps and they fail to get on board.

 

                I also want to commend VFO for it's new pricing and authorization scheme. They have done something to make it easier for blind people to buy their products. It's now up to blind individuals to seek out opportunities to develop the needed income streams so they can buy whatever VFO product they need without having to turn to rehab for help. Again Mary and I stand ready to assist anyone wishing to follow our lead so they can do what we've accomplished. All the best.

 

Peter Donahue

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.  Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive our JAWS from agencies?

 

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a lot.� With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year.� But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year and it goes up from there.� What is the purpose of this?�

 

Stew

 

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

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It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.

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Is this correct?

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I do have one concern, though.

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$90 a year doesn�t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the license by December 31.

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Am I missing something?

�

Tom Behler

�

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

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From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

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Michael:

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Where did you get this info?

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I�m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.

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I�d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options if possible.

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Thanks for the help!

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Tom Behler

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

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Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to get new versions when they release � you have access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows�, Microsoft Office�, your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison

What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive and sign in � your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal, non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

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From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Hello, everyone.

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I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can�t seem to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

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Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do something to renew it at some point.

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Up until now, I�ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.

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If there now is a more economical way to do this, I�d certainly love to learn about it.

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Dr.� Tom Behler from Michigan

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Re: Can scripts be made for particular websites?

 

I have the same issue with the Payroll service I use for my business. In order to process the payroll everybody's hours need to be entered in a grid and Jaws also sees the entire grid as a single item or something like that. I mentioned to my rep there that I'd like to speak to somebody about accessibility and point out some of these difficulties and about a week later I got an email from one of their top people who asked if I would be available 3 days from that time for a conference call where he was going to have some of the web developers who maintain the site available to have a look. I showed them my screen and how difficult/impossible it was to do this and they consequently thanked me and asked if I would be willing to test this for them if they made changes. They also were hoping to contact Vispero to get some guidance on what they would need to do. I was very pleasantly surprised by their responsiveness and willingness to try and improve this, it won't happen over ight, but it's definitely a step in the right direction.

Have you tried to contact the company whose service/application this is? I thought there are also laws in the US as far as accessibility is concerned.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 7:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Can scripts be made for particular websites?

 

Hello,

 

I am kind of in a bind. The time collection program we use here at work is no longer going to be supported on the desk top version. I had scripts developed for this version but now they are moving to the web platform.

At best I think the site is poorley written. It is entirely  possible that I don’t have all the skills to work with this site but I have found several unlabled elements, The virtual curser treats the lines in a grid as one continuous line to be read instead of individual elements, and there are bound to be more things I haven’t found yet.

If I contact the rehab agency here to help can it even be done? Can a script be written for a web application?

Or am I out of luck?

Thanks

Shannon


Re: How to make jaws read number of items

 

For me both Jaws Key+Tab as well as a simple say line, Jaws Key+NumPad 8, reads the file name, date, file type and whether it's 27 of 52 or whatever.
It does not read it when you simply arrow down or up through the list of files.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

I went to my "my documents" folder and pressed insert+tab and this is what I heard:
Not Selected 2016Low-Vision Expo images‎8/‎22/‎2018 ‏‎5:29 AM File folder 1 of 885

Jaws 2019, Windows 10

But, Window-Eyes would have read the index number automatically.

Richard


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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of George Gray
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

I also have this situation. It appears that somehow a maximum of 13 is the count in any Folder where I have many additional files.

If I pres Enter + T it reads the file name and whatever it's place in 13. And, when I press Enter + Tab I hear the same.

Thanks.

On 11/2/18, Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In most cases, insert+tab will read the current item, plus how many of
how many.

I hope this works in your case.
At 05:29 AM 11/2/2018, you wrote:
I used to use window eyes. It would read the number if items in a
folder after reading off a file name. Is there a way to do this in
jaws? Right now jaws only reads item names in file explorer not how
many items there afterwards

Thanks

Jim






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