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locked Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

Cristóbal
 

Gimmy some of that special sauce. 

On Nov 2, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

Hi Peter,

 

Could you be just a little bit more specific, what you say is pretty vague like "Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income streams" and "Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago".

What business idea was shared with you? Can you give just some rough examples of some of these potential income streams? Just curious.

I once read some posts on a different list where somebody was setting up Go Fund Me campagnes asking for money to buy stuff, hopefully your "business idea" is di

 

ferent because to me that is little different from begging. Online fund raising just as traditional fund raising for a specific purpose where maybe a family's home burned down or the primary bread winner of the family was seriously hurt or killed in an accident  is fine and I have often contributed to such fund raisers. But nowadays when you  look at Go Fund Me or other such sites where people beg for money because they want to go on vacation or because they can't afford something they want then I certainly wouldn't give them a single Penny. Once a very very long time ago when I was very young I fell for one of these get rich schemes with real estate. I happened to hear this infomercial about this guy who was just itching to share with everybody how you can get rich in less than a year buy buying real estate and he showed off all these happy people who bought his tutorial for $199 which was only $99 if you acted now and on and on. Of course it came with a full money back guaranty and naiive as I was I ordered it. It ended up being like a dozen CD's where he went on and on saying nothing and repeating himself and it was a complete waste of time and money. I called to get my money back but of course because of some condition I forgot I didn't qualify, basically guys like that are like the old snakeoil sales people who sell a cure for something and the only thing it cures is their own wallet.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

Good morning everyone,

 

                A lot of blind people also choose not to create income streams to generate the money to self-fund whatever blindness products and services they need. Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income streams. We have heard nothing but excuses from blind people we tried to reach out to to help them improve their financial situation. Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago this past January we were able to buy the latest upgrade of Jaws for Windows, the Dusbury Braille Translator, and my wife Mary bought herself a Braille-Edge 40 without seeking help from rehab thank you

 

                Let me shut down some other rubbish that has come upon other lists on which we shared these accomplishments. Recall above that we said we're willing to help others accomplish what we have done to be better positioned to meet the costs of blindness products and services only to be told we were braggers, and were called many other names I won't repeat. Braggers don't reach out to help others improve their financial situation. I hate to say it but those with such mindsets and who do nothing but complain about the high cost of blindness products and services without being willing to do something about it have created their own problems. While it's true society doesn't always have the best attitude towards the blind the blind themselves are also responsible for their lack of financial resources if opportunities are placed in their laps and they fail to get on board.

 

                I also want to commend VFO for it's new pricing and authorization scheme. They have done something to make it easier for blind people to buy their products. It's now up to blind individuals to seek out opportunities to develop the needed income streams so they can buy whatever VFO product they need without having to turn to rehab for help. Again Mary and I stand ready to assist anyone wishing to follow our lead so they can do what we've accomplished. All the best.

 

Peter Donahue

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.  Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive our JAWS from agencies?

 

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a lot.� With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year.� But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year and it goes up from there.� What is the purpose of this?�

 

Stew

 

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.

Is this correct?

I do have one concern, though.

$90 a year doesn�t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the license by December 31.

Am I missing something?

Tom Behler

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

from the fs e store.

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Michael:

Where did you get this info?

I�m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.

I�d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options if possible.

Thanks for the help!

Tom Behler

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to get new versions when they release � you have access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows�, Microsoft Office�, your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison

What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive and sign in � your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal, non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Hello, everyone.

I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can�t seem to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do something to renew it at some point.

Up until now, I�ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.

If there now is a more economical way to do this, I�d certainly love to learn about it.

Dr.� Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 


locked Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

Hi Peter,

 

Could you be just a little bit more specific, what you say is pretty vague like "Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income streams" and "Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago".

What business idea was shared with you? Can you give just some rough examples of some of these potential income streams? Just curious.

I once read some posts on a different list where somebody was setting up Go Fund Me campagnes asking for money to buy stuff, hopefully your "business idea" is di

 

ferent because to me that is little different from begging. Online fund raising just as traditional fund raising for a specific purpose where maybe a family's home burned down or the primary bread winner of the family was seriously hurt or killed in an accident  is fine and I have often contributed to such fund raisers. But nowadays when you  look at Go Fund Me or other such sites where people beg for money because they want to go on vacation or because they can't afford something they want then I certainly wouldn't give them a single Penny. Once a very very long time ago when I was very young I fell for one of these get rich schemes with real estate. I happened to hear this infomercial about this guy who was just itching to share with everybody how you can get rich in less than a year buy buying real estate and he showed off all these happy people who bought his tutorial for $199 which was only $99 if you acted now and on and on. Of course it came with a full money back guaranty and naiive as I was I ordered it. It ended up being like a dozen CD's where he went on and on saying nothing and repeating himself and it was a complete waste of time and money. I called to get my money back but of course because of some condition I forgot I didn't qualify, basically guys like that are like the old snakeoil sales people who sell a cure for something and the only thing it cures is their own wallet.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

Good morning everyone,

 

                A lot of blind people also choose not to create income streams to generate the money to self-fund whatever blindness products and services they need. Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income streams. We have heard nothing but excuses from blind people we tried to reach out to to help them improve their financial situation. Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago this past January we were able to buy the latest upgrade of Jaws for Windows, the Dusbury Braille Translator, and my wife Mary bought herself a Braille-Edge 40 without seeking help from rehab thank you

 

                Let me shut down some other rubbish that has come upon other lists on which we shared these accomplishments. Recall above that we said we're willing to help others accomplish what we have done to be better positioned to meet the costs of blindness products and services only to be told we were braggers, and were called many other names I won't repeat. Braggers don't reach out to help others improve their financial situation. I hate to say it but those with such mindsets and who do nothing but complain about the high cost of blindness products and services without being willing to do something about it have created their own problems. While it's true society doesn't always have the best attitude towards the blind the blind themselves are also responsible for their lack of financial resources if opportunities are placed in their laps and they fail to get on board.

 

                I also want to commend VFO for it's new pricing and authorization scheme. They have done something to make it easier for blind people to buy their products. It's now up to blind individuals to seek out opportunities to develop the needed income streams so they can buy whatever VFO product they need without having to turn to rehab for help. Again Mary and I stand ready to assist anyone wishing to follow our lead so they can do what we've accomplished. All the best.

 

Peter Donahue

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.  Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive our JAWS from agencies?

 

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a lot.� With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year.� But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year and it goes up from there.� What is the purpose of this?�

 

Stew

 

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

�

It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.

�

Is this correct?

�

I do have one concern, though.

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$90 a year doesn�t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the license by December 31.

�

Am I missing something?

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

from the fs e store.

�

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Michael:

�

Where did you get this info?

�

I�m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.

�

I�d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options if possible.

�

Thanks for the help!

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to get new versions when they release � you have access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows�, Microsoft Office�, your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison

What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive and sign in � your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal, non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Hello, everyone.

�

I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can�t seem to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

�

Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do something to renew it at some point.

�

Up until now, I�ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.

�

If there now is a more economical way to do this, I�d certainly love to learn about it.

�

Dr.� Tom Behler from Michigan

�

�

 

 


Re: Can scripts be made for particular websites?

 

I have the same issue with the Payroll service I use for my business. In order to process the payroll everybody's hours need to be entered in a grid and Jaws also sees the entire grid as a single item or something like that. I mentioned to my rep there that I'd like to speak to somebody about accessibility and point out some of these difficulties and about a week later I got an email from one of their top people who asked if I would be available 3 days from that time for a conference call where he was going to have some of the web developers who maintain the site available to have a look. I showed them my screen and how difficult/impossible it was to do this and they consequently thanked me and asked if I would be willing to test this for them if they made changes. They also were hoping to contact Vispero to get some guidance on what they would need to do. I was very pleasantly surprised by their responsiveness and willingness to try and improve this, it won't happen over ight, but it's definitely a step in the right direction.

Have you tried to contact the company whose service/application this is? I thought there are also laws in the US as far as accessibility is concerned.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 7:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Can scripts be made for particular websites?

 

Hello,

 

I am kind of in a bind. The time collection program we use here at work is no longer going to be supported on the desk top version. I had scripts developed for this version but now they are moving to the web platform.

At best I think the site is poorley written. It is entirely  possible that I don’t have all the skills to work with this site but I have found several unlabled elements, The virtual curser treats the lines in a grid as one continuous line to be read instead of individual elements, and there are bound to be more things I haven’t found yet.

If I contact the rehab agency here to help can it even be done? Can a script be written for a web application?

Or am I out of luck?

Thanks

Shannon


Re: How to make jaws read number of items

 

For me both Jaws Key+Tab as well as a simple say line, Jaws Key+NumPad 8, reads the file name, date, file type and whether it's 27 of 52 or whatever.
It does not read it when you simply arrow down or up through the list of files.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

I went to my "my documents" folder and pressed insert+tab and this is what I heard:
Not Selected 2016Low-Vision Expo images‎8/‎22/‎2018 ‏‎5:29 AM File folder 1 of 885

Jaws 2019, Windows 10

But, Window-Eyes would have read the index number automatically.

Richard


“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of George Gray
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

I also have this situation. It appears that somehow a maximum of 13 is the count in any Folder where I have many additional files.

If I pres Enter + T it reads the file name and whatever it's place in 13. And, when I press Enter + Tab I hear the same.

Thanks.

On 11/2/18, Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In most cases, insert+tab will read the current item, plus how many of
how many.

I hope this works in your case.
At 05:29 AM 11/2/2018, you wrote:
I used to use window eyes. It would read the number if items in a
folder after reading off a file name. Is there a way to do this in
jaws? Right now jaws only reads item names in file explorer not how
many items there afterwards

Thanks

Jim






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locked Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Tom Behler
 

Thanks for this info.

 

It is very helpful, and clarifies things a lot.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 2:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

I phoned Freedom Scientific concerning this new Licencing subscription program.  It seems, the program is mainly aimed at those who haven't kept up to date their upgrades.  Those who have current up to date SMA's (software Maintenance Agreements) May continue purchasing SMA's.  As they will be less expensive than the new Licencing subscription program.

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 1:53 PM

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Hello, everyone

 

I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can’t seem to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

 

Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do something to renew it at some point.

 

Up until now, I’ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.

 

If there now is a more economical way to do this, I’d certainly love to learn about it.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 


Re: Jow to enable reading of tool tips in JAWS 2019

Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

In the Setting Center, go to Speech
Verbosity.  Choose the level you use, for instance, Intermediate, then choose Configure Intermediate Level.  The process is the same whichever level you choose.  Once in the Configure Level dialog, you are in a list of items to have speak or not,  Press End to go to the final item of the list, and it is Tool Tips, and does not speak by default. Check the box to activate it and they should henceforth speak.

 

Thought-provoking reading: http://bahaiteachings.org

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 2:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jow to enable reading of tool tips in JAWS 2019

 

Hi. How do you enable the reading of tool tips in JAWS? Thanks.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


locked Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Mike B. <mike9902@...>
 


Hi Lino,
 
He's a member of the Jaws-Users list, the Jaws list I sent you the Tool Tips activation steps.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Jerald. What is the name of this other JAWS list Eric is on? Emial me privately at:

Lino.jr@...

Thanks.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 7:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

Gotcha.  But Eric Damery, who has been posting about this new pricing arrangement on another JAWS mailing list, claims that it is cheaper than the SMA arrangement.  How is this possible?  Under the SMA arrangement, let’s calculate the cost for upgrading to JAWS 2019, 2020, 2021 and 2022.  By my calculation, the SMA route would cost $240, $120 for JAWS 2019 and 2020, and another $120 for JAWS 2021 and 2022.  Under the licensing arrangement, the cost would be $90 for each version of JAWS for a total of $360 for versions 2019, 2020,2021 and 2022.  Over the long run, the new licensing arrangement would be much more expensive.  And what is the advantage of taking out a 5 year license, which would cost $450 versus buying a new license each year for $90 a year?  There is no discount for paying in advance.  Suppose you pay for a 5 year license, and Vispero goes belly up in two years?  Then you’re totally screwed because there would probably be no way to obtain a refund for the years you have not yet used up.  Don’t think Vispero could ever go out of business?  Think again.  It has happened in the past.  Companies that sell products for the blind suddenly go under without notice and leave their customers in the lurch.  And with more and more JAWS users jumping to NVDA, and the fact that Vispero is essentially increasing the cost of upgrading JAWS every year, they could certainly tick off enough customers to go the way of GW Micro, Optalek and other companies that have bitten the dust.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 6:45 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

From what I have read, as well as listened to from Freedom scientific staff and podcast, it would cost you $90 and it would be that recurring charge each year to keep a current license to have jaws installed and up to three computers.


On Nov 2, 2018, at 6:23 AM, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@...> wrote:

 

I’m confused.    Suppose I wanted to upgrade from JAWS 16, which is the version I am currently using, to JAWS 2019.  Are you saying that under the new licensing arrangement  I would only have to pay $90 for the upgrade, versus about $480 if I went the SMA route?  Or would I have to pay $270 to cover JAWS versions 17,18, and 2018, on top of the $90 for JAWS 2019? Please clarify.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 11:12 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

I think this is also an offer which would make it much less expensive for somebody who didn’t keep their SMA up-to-date to get current on Jaws. If, for example, somebody was still on Jaws 16 or even earlier they would have to pay several hundreds of Dollars to get current and then another $120 for the SMA. This way they can just subscribe for $90 a year and they are done. What I haven’t figured out yet is if this also applies for new Jaws users, e.g. if you don’t have Jaws at all, can you just pay $90 a year and download/use the latest version of Jaws and as long as you keep you rsubscription active then you can continue to do so? If so then this really is a good option for new Jaws users because instead of paying $900 or whatever Jaws costs + the cost of future SMA’s they would djust pay $90 a year. After 10 years you would have paid $900 which is I believe what Jaws Home costs, if you had bought it for $900 and then you would buy 5 SMA’s at $120/each you would have paid $1,500 after 10 years so if you are a new Jaws user then $90 a year really is a very reasonable price and who knows what happens in 5 or 6 let alpong 8 or 10 years, maybe Jaws won’t exist any more as such, maybe Microsoft buys them out and it gets merged with Narrator into Microsoft and becomes free, I certainly wouldn’t bet on Jaws being the leading screenreader in 10 years any more.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 7:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It sounds like it would be a bit more flexible since you don't have to fight with the activation as much if you use a lot of different computers, but otherwise it looks like a way to generate more revenue.  I just renewed my SMa, they will have a little while longer to wait for my extra revenue.

 

 

CH

On 11/1/2018 20:53, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a lot.� With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year.� But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year and it goes up from there.� What is the purpose of this?�

 

Stew

 

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

�

It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.

�

Is this correct?

�

I do have one concern, though.

�

$90 a year doesn�t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the license by December 31.

�

Am I missing something?

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

from the fs e store.

�

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Michael:

�

Where did you get this info?

�

I�m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.

�

I�d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options if possible.

�

Thanks for the help!

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to get new versions when they release � you have access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows�, Microsoft Office�, your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison

What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive and sign in � your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal, non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Hello, everyone.

�

I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can�t seem to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

�

Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do something to renew it at some point.

�

Up until now, I�ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.

�

If there now is a more economical way to do this, I�d certainly love to learn about it.

�

Dr.� Tom Behler from Michigan

�

�

 

 

 


Jow to enable reading of tool tips in JAWS 2019

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Hi. How do you enable the reading of tool tips in JAWS? Thanks.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


locked Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Jerald. What is the name of this other JAWS list Eric is on? Emial me privately at:

Lino.jr@...

Thanks.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 7:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

Gotcha.  But Eric Damery, who has been posting about this new pricing arrangement on another JAWS mailing list, claims that it is cheaper than the SMA arrangement.  How is this possible?  Under the SMA arrangement, let’s calculate the cost for upgrading to JAWS 2019, 2020, 2021 and 2022.  By my calculation, the SMA route would cost $240, $120 for JAWS 2019 and 2020, and another $120 for JAWS 2021 and 2022.  Under the licensing arrangement, the cost would be $90 for each version of JAWS for a total of $360 for versions 2019, 2020,2021 and 2022.  Over the long run, the new licensing arrangement would be much more expensive.  And what is the advantage of taking out a 5 year license, which would cost $450 versus buying a new license each year for $90 a year?  There is no discount for paying in advance.  Suppose you pay for a 5 year license, and Vispero goes belly up in two years?  Then you’re totally screwed because there would probably be no way to obtain a refund for the years you have not yet used up.  Don’t think Vispero could ever go out of business?  Think again.  It has happened in the past.  Companies that sell products for the blind suddenly go under without notice and leave their customers in the lurch.  And with more and more JAWS users jumping to NVDA, and the fact that Vispero is essentially increasing the cost of upgrading JAWS every year, they could certainly tick off enough customers to go the way of GW Micro, Optalek and other companies that have bitten the dust.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 6:45 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

From what I have read, as well as listened to from Freedom scientific staff and podcast, it would cost you $90 and it would be that recurring charge each year to keep a current license to have jaws installed and up to three computers.


On Nov 2, 2018, at 6:23 AM, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@...> wrote:

 

I’m confused.    Suppose I wanted to upgrade from JAWS 16, which is the version I am currently using, to JAWS 2019.  Are you saying that under the new licensing arrangement  I would only have to pay $90 for the upgrade, versus about $480 if I went the SMA route?  Or would I have to pay $270 to cover JAWS versions 17,18, and 2018, on top of the $90 for JAWS 2019? Please clarify.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 11:12 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

I think this is also an offer which would make it much less expensive for somebody who didn’t keep their SMA up-to-date to get current on Jaws. If, for example, somebody was still on Jaws 16 or even earlier they would have to pay several hundreds of Dollars to get current and then another $120 for the SMA. This way they can just subscribe for $90 a year and they are done. What I haven’t figured out yet is if this also applies for new Jaws users, e.g. if you don’t have Jaws at all, can you just pay $90 a year and download/use the latest version of Jaws and as long as you keep you rsubscription active then you can continue to do so? If so then this really is a good option for new Jaws users because instead of paying $900 or whatever Jaws costs + the cost of future SMA’s they would djust pay $90 a year. After 10 years you would have paid $900 which is I believe what Jaws Home costs, if you had bought it for $900 and then you would buy 5 SMA’s at $120/each you would have paid $1,500 after 10 years so if you are a new Jaws user then $90 a year really is a very reasonable price and who knows what happens in 5 or 6 let alpong 8 or 10 years, maybe Jaws won’t exist any more as such, maybe Microsoft buys them out and it gets merged with Narrator into Microsoft and becomes free, I certainly wouldn’t bet on Jaws being the leading screenreader in 10 years any more.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 7:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It sounds like it would be a bit more flexible since you don't have to fight with the activation as much if you use a lot of different computers, but otherwise it looks like a way to generate more revenue.  I just renewed my SMa, they will have a little while longer to wait for my extra revenue.

 

 

CH

On 11/1/2018 20:53, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a lot.� With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year.� But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year and it goes up from there.� What is the purpose of this?�

 

Stew

 

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

�

It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.

�

Is this correct?

�

I do have one concern, though.

�

$90 a year doesn�t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the license by December 31.

�

Am I missing something?

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

from the fs e store.

�

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Michael:

�

Where did you get this info?

�

I�m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.

�

I�d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options if possible.

�

Thanks for the help!

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to get new versions when they release � you have access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows�, Microsoft Office�, your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison

What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive and sign in � your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal, non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Hello, everyone.

�

I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can�t seem to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

�

Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do something to renew it at some point.

�

Up until now, I�ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.

�

If there now is a more economical way to do this, I�d certainly love to learn about it.

�

Dr.� Tom Behler from Michigan

�

�

 

 

 


Re: Jaws and International Phonetic Alphabet

 

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 01:08 PM, Lev wrote:
Is it possible to jaws to read IPA (international Phonetic Alphabet) symbols?
This is a serious question:   Read them how?  or  Read them as what?

Most IPA symbols do not, to my knowledge, have single-syllable names such as most letters do.   I can't conceive of what would be used for the IPA character to name for single character by character reading.  If you start getting into the diacritics it gets even messier.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

  If you remove all the homosexuals and homosexual influences from what is generally regarded as American culture, you are pretty much left with Let's Make a Deal.

          ~ Fran Lebowitz


locked Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Cristóbal
 

But if you have no confidence that they’ll be around in five years, all the sudden you want to project out 10? 

On Nov 2, 2018, at 3:25 PM, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@...> wrote:

 
You’re not saving $15 a year with my strategy, you’re saveing $45.  Over a ten year period, you would wind up saving $450, which ain’t chopped liver.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription
 

15 whole dollars. You’re showing them. You could also really stick it to them by switching over to NVDA and pay nothing at all.  Then you could tell the big bad Vispero folks… Who’s your daddy!

Good God.

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 2:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Actually, that's even less expensive than the SMA, since it makes it $45 per year.  Hmm.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/2/2018 5:25 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:

I'll keep that in mind when they yank the SMA.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/2/2018 5:22 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

I thought of a suggestion for beating Vispero at its own game.  Instead of buying a one year license every year, why not consider buying a one year license every two years instead?  So if you purchase a one year license for JAWS 2019, consider skipping JAWS 2020, unless it has some new feature you feel that you must absolutely have, and buy a one year license again when JAWS 2021 is released.  This way, you have the benefit of keeping JAWS reasonably up to date and slashing yourannual cost for JAWS in half.  As JAWS 2019 demonstrates, Vispero is finally running out of ideas for new whiz bang features, and is concentrating more on bug fixes and minor enhancements, some of which may be of dubious value.  So just buy a one year license in odd years, or even years, whichever you prefer.  Some users have reported that JAWS versions released in odd years have fewer bugs than those released in even years, while others have reported just the opposite.  Take your pick.  In any case, it’s like having your cake and eating it, too. So instead of being a slave to the annual update, stick it to Vispero instead.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 4:20 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

As others have pointed out many times, no one’s making you use Jaws. NVDA’s nice and free. I’m primarily a Jaws user and use NVDA mainly in a pinch or if Jaws has frozen on me, but I still donate to the NVDA project. It’s good that there’s an option for those who don’t have the means for commercial screen readers and alternatives are always good. But yes, please come back with some sort of line of how NVDA is a public project that can be abandoned at any time blah blah blah.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

According to Eric, the advantage of buying a five year license is that it protects you against future price increases.  So if you buy a five year license now for $450, which works out to $90 a year, and Vispero decides next year to raise the price of a one year license to $100, you are locked in to the cheaper price for five years.  What a swell bunch of guys!

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Dave Durber

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 2:55 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Hello Gerald:

 

Don't forget the interest on the money if customers decide to pay for the additional years.

 

The are laughing all the way to the bank. In addition, it is a case of having their cake and eating it!

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 3:21 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

You’re absolutely right.  To me, the five year license is nothing but a scam to get customers to pay upfront so that Vispero has the use of these funds immediately.  If they were really concerned about their customers who live on fixed incomes, they would offer a discount of say, 10% or 15% if you buy a five years license so that it would cost only $400 instead of $450, as a gesture of good faith to their long-term customers.  Again, I see no advantage paying $450 up front for a five year license when buying an annual license every year for the next five years would cost exactly the same.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 11:06 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.  Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive our JAWS from agencies?

 

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a lot.� With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year.� But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year and it goes up from there.� What is the purpose of this?�

 

Stew

 

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

�

It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.

�

Is this correct?

�

I do have one concern, though.

�

$90 a year doesn�t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the license by December 31.

�

Am I missing something?

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

from the fs e store.

�

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Michael:

�

Where did you get this info?

�

I�m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.

�

I�d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options if possible.

�

Thanks for the help!

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to get new versions when they release � you have access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows�, Microsoft Office�, your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison

What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive and sign in � your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal, non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Hello, everyone.

�

I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can�t seem to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

�

Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do something to renew it at some point.

�

Up until now, I�ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.

�

If there now is a more economical way to do this, I�d certainly love to learn about it.

�

Dr.� Tom Behler from Michigan

�

�

 

 

 

 


locked Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Gerald Levy
 

 
Hmm.  You’re probably right.  Okay, folks, forget about my dumb idea.      Looks like they’re smarter than me, after all. I guess that’s what happens when you listen to too many reruns of “The Honeymooners” and Ralph Kramden’s crazy money-making schemes.  
 
Gerald
 
 
 

From: paul lemm
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription
 

Hi Gerald,

 

I may have this wrong, but I think if you buy their one year subscription, that after the one year your annual license will expire and you will no longer be able to use that version of jaws. That’s how it reads to me  when I’m looking at their website , otherwise if you could get a copy of jaws for $90 that you could continue to use  why would anyone buy the full version for almost $1000. I think this annual thing is more like renting jaws from them, and I guess its to help people who can’t afford to splash out almost $1000 to buy jaws outright.

 

Again, I could be wrong, but that’s how I thought this new scheme would work, which would make sense since it’s a subscription service  and I don’t know of any other subscription  service that lets you keep using it once your subscription  runs out, although I wish some of mine did ha-ha

 

Paul      

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: 02 November 2018 21:22
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

I thought of a suggestion for beating Vispero at its own game.  Instead of buying a one year license every year, why not consider buying a one year license every two years instead?  So if you purchase a one year license for JAWS 2019, consider skipping JAWS 2020, unless it has some new feature you feel that you must absolutely have, and buy a one year license again when JAWS 2021 is released.  This way, you have the benefit of keeping JAWS reasonably up to date and slashing yourannual cost for JAWS in half.  As JAWS 2019 demonstrates, Vispero is finally running out of ideas for new whiz bang features, and is concentrating more on bug fixes and minor enhancements, some of which may be of dubious value.  So just buy a one year license in odd years, or even years, whichever you prefer.  Some users have reported that JAWS versions released in odd years have fewer bugs than those released in even years, while others have reported just the opposite.  Take your pick.  In any case, it’s like having your cake and eating it, too. So instead of being a slave to the annual update, stick it to Vispero instead.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 4:20 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

As others have pointed out many times, no one’s making you use Jaws. NVDA’s nice and free. I’m primarily a Jaws user and use NVDA mainly in a pinch or if Jaws has frozen on me, but I still donate to the NVDA project. It’s good that there’s an option for those who don’t have the means for commercial screen readers and alternatives are always good. But yes, please come back with some sort of line of how NVDA is a public project that can be abandoned at any time blah blah blah.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

According to Eric, the advantage of buying a five year license is that it protects you against future price increases.  So if you buy a five year license now for $450, which works out to $90 a year, and Vispero decides next year to raise the price of a one year license to $100, you are locked in to the cheaper price for five years.  What a swell bunch of guys!

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Dave Durber

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 2:55 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Hello Gerald:

 

Don't forget the interest on the money if customers decide to pay for the additional years.

 

The are laughing all the way to the bank. In addition, it is a case of having their cake and eating it!

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 3:21 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

You’re absolutely right.  To me, the five year license is nothing but a scam to get customers to pay upfront so that Vispero has the use of these funds immediately.  If they were really concerned about their customers who live on fixed incomes, they would offer a discount of say, 10% or 15% if you buy a five years license so that it would cost only $400 instead of $450, as a gesture of good faith to their long-term customers.  Again, I see no advantage paying $450 up front for a five year license when buying an annual license every year for the next five years would cost exactly the same.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 11:06 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.  Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive our JAWS from agencies?

 

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a lot.� With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year.� But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year and it goes up from there.� What is the purpose of this?�

 

Stew

 

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

�

It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.

�

Is this correct?

�

I do have one concern, though.

�

$90 a year doesn�t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the license by December 31.

�

Am I missing something?

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

from the fs e store.

�

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Michael:

�

Where did you get this info?

�

I�m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.

�

I�d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options if possible.

�

Thanks for the help!

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to get new versions when they release � you have access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows�, Microsoft Office�, your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison

What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive and sign in � your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal, non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Hello, everyone.

�

I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can�t seem to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

�

Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do something to renew it at some point.

�

Up until now, I�ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.

�

If there now is a more economical way to do this, I�d certainly love to learn about it.

�

Dr.� Tom Behler from Michigan

�

�

 

 


locked Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Gerald Levy
 

 
You’re not saving $15 a year with my strategy, you’re saveing $45.  Over a ten year period, you would wind up saving $450, which ain’t chopped liver.
 
Gerald
 
 
 

From: Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription
 

15 whole dollars. You’re showing them. You could also really stick it to them by switching over to NVDA and pay nothing at all.  Then you could tell the big bad Vispero folks… Who’s your daddy!

Good God.

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 2:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Actually, that's even less expensive than the SMA, since it makes it $45 per year.  Hmm.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/2/2018 5:25 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:

I'll keep that in mind when they yank the SMA.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/2/2018 5:22 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

I thought of a suggestion for beating Vispero at its own game.  Instead of buying a one year license every year, why not consider buying a one year license every two years instead?  So if you purchase a one year license for JAWS 2019, consider skipping JAWS 2020, unless it has some new feature you feel that you must absolutely have, and buy a one year license again when JAWS 2021 is released.  This way, you have the benefit of keeping JAWS reasonably up to date and slashing yourannual cost for JAWS in half.  As JAWS 2019 demonstrates, Vispero is finally running out of ideas for new whiz bang features, and is concentrating more on bug fixes and minor enhancements, some of which may be of dubious value.  So just buy a one year license in odd years, or even years, whichever you prefer.  Some users have reported that JAWS versions released in odd years have fewer bugs than those released in even years, while others have reported just the opposite.  Take your pick.  In any case, it’s like having your cake and eating it, too. So instead of being a slave to the annual update, stick it to Vispero instead.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 4:20 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

As others have pointed out many times, no one’s making you use Jaws. NVDA’s nice and free. I’m primarily a Jaws user and use NVDA mainly in a pinch or if Jaws has frozen on me, but I still donate to the NVDA project. It’s good that there’s an option for those who don’t have the means for commercial screen readers and alternatives are always good. But yes, please come back with some sort of line of how NVDA is a public project that can be abandoned at any time blah blah blah.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

According to Eric, the advantage of buying a five year license is that it protects you against future price increases.  So if you buy a five year license now for $450, which works out to $90 a year, and Vispero decides next year to raise the price of a one year license to $100, you are locked in to the cheaper price for five years.  What a swell bunch of guys!

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Dave Durber

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 2:55 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Hello Gerald:

 

Don't forget the interest on the money if customers decide to pay for the additional years.

 

The are laughing all the way to the bank. In addition, it is a case of having their cake and eating it!

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 3:21 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

You’re absolutely right.  To me, the five year license is nothing but a scam to get customers to pay upfront so that Vispero has the use of these funds immediately.  If they were really concerned about their customers who live on fixed incomes, they would offer a discount of say, 10% or 15% if you buy a five years license so that it would cost only $400 instead of $450, as a gesture of good faith to their long-term customers.  Again, I see no advantage paying $450 up front for a five year license when buying an annual license every year for the next five years would cost exactly the same.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 11:06 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.  Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive our JAWS from agencies?

 

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a lot.� With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year.� But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year and it goes up from there.� What is the purpose of this?�

 

Stew

 

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

�

It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.

�

Is this correct?

�

I do have one concern, though.

�

$90 a year doesn�t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the license by December 31.

�

Am I missing something?

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

from the fs e store.

�

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Michael:

�

Where did you get this info?

�

I�m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.

�

I�d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options if possible.

�

Thanks for the help!

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to get new versions when they release � you have access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows�, Microsoft Office�, your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison

What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive and sign in � your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal, non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Hello, everyone.

�

I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can�t seem to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

�

Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do something to renew it at some point.

�

Up until now, I�ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.

�

If there now is a more economical way to do this, I�d certainly love to learn about it.

�

Dr.� Tom Behler from Michigan

�

�

 

 

 

 


locked Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Don H
 

I would think that if you go the annual subscription route for Jaws if you did not pay up for another year your Jaws would stop working or turn into a demo.  That would only makke sense.


locked Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

paul lemm
 

Hi Gerald,

 

I may have this wrong, but I think if you buy their one year subscription, that after the one year your annual license will expire and you will no longer be able to use that version of jaws. That’s how it reads to me  when I’m looking at their website , otherwise if you could get a copy of jaws for $90 that you could continue to use  why would anyone buy the full version for almost $1000. I think this annual thing is more like renting jaws from them, and I guess its to help people who can’t afford to splash out almost $1000 to buy jaws outright.

 

Again, I could be wrong, but that’s how I thought this new scheme would work, which would make sense since it’s a subscription service  and I don’t know of any other subscription  service that lets you keep using it once your subscription  runs out, although I wish some of mine did ha-ha

 

Paul      

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: 02 November 2018 21:22
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

I thought of a suggestion for beating Vispero at its own game.  Instead of buying a one year license every year, why not consider buying a one year license every two years instead?  So if you purchase a one year license for JAWS 2019, consider skipping JAWS 2020, unless it has some new feature you feel that you must absolutely have, and buy a one year license again when JAWS 2021 is released.  This way, you have the benefit of keeping JAWS reasonably up to date and slashing yourannual cost for JAWS in half.  As JAWS 2019 demonstrates, Vispero is finally running out of ideas for new whiz bang features, and is concentrating more on bug fixes and minor enhancements, some of which may be of dubious value.  So just buy a one year license in odd years, or even years, whichever you prefer.  Some users have reported that JAWS versions released in odd years have fewer bugs than those released in even years, while others have reported just the opposite.  Take your pick.  In any case, it’s like having your cake and eating it, too. So instead of being a slave to the annual update, stick it to Vispero instead.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 4:20 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

As others have pointed out many times, no one’s making you use Jaws. NVDA’s nice and free. I’m primarily a Jaws user and use NVDA mainly in a pinch or if Jaws has frozen on me, but I still donate to the NVDA project. It’s good that there’s an option for those who don’t have the means for commercial screen readers and alternatives are always good. But yes, please come back with some sort of line of how NVDA is a public project that can be abandoned at any time blah blah blah.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

According to Eric, the advantage of buying a five year license is that it protects you against future price increases.  So if you buy a five year license now for $450, which works out to $90 a year, and Vispero decides next year to raise the price of a one year license to $100, you are locked in to the cheaper price for five years.  What a swell bunch of guys!

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 2:55 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Hello Gerald:

 

Don't forget the interest on the money if customers decide to pay for the additional years.

 

The are laughing all the way to the bank. In addition, it is a case of having their cake and eating it!

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 3:21 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

You’re absolutely right.  To me, the five year license is nothing but a scam to get customers to pay upfront so that Vispero has the use of these funds immediately.  If they were really concerned about their customers who live on fixed incomes, they would offer a discount of say, 10% or 15% if you buy a five years license so that it would cost only $400 instead of $450, as a gesture of good faith to their long-term customers.  Again, I see no advantage paying $450 up front for a five year license when buying an annual license every year for the next five years would cost exactly the same.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 11:06 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.  Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive our JAWS from agencies?

 

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a lot.� With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year.� But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year and it goes up from there.� What is the purpose of this?�

 

Stew

 

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

�

It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.

�

Is this correct?

�

I do have one concern, though.

�

$90 a year doesn�t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the license by December 31.

�

Am I missing something?

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

from the fs e store.

�

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Michael:

�

Where did you get this info?

�

I�m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.

�

I�d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options if possible.

�

Thanks for the help!

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to get new versions when they release � you have access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows�, Microsoft Office�, your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison

What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive and sign in � your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal, non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Hello, everyone.

�

I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can�t seem to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

�

Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do something to renew it at some point.

�

Up until now, I�ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.

�

If there now is a more economical way to do this, I�d certainly love to learn about it.

�

Dr.� Tom Behler from Michigan

�

�

 

 


Re: What is your first version of Jaws

ratshtron
 

no, the serial number will not allow anyone to
steal jaws. an authorization number is required and its 20 characters long.


Legend has it that on Friday 11/2/2018 01:27 AM, Angel said:
----------------------------------------
I don't think we should be telling the list our
Jaws serial numbers. Couldn't those who wish to
steal Jaws take advantage of knowing them?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Hicks" <bob@seeinghandassociation.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: What is your first version of Jaws


With 48264 I am way behind!

Have a great day, 73

Bob Hicks, KC8CR

Windows 7 and 10 home 64 bit


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 12:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What is your first version of Jaws

Hey Ward,

For me it was also Jaws for DOS back in September or October of 1989.
I then had Jaws for Windows from the first
release in the early 90's with Windows 3.1, then
3.11 and of course with Windows 95, 98 and 98SE
things really started getting more serious.
Sounds like we have most of these young guys on
the list beat, but let's see, what is your Jaws
serial number? I have serial number 1056 and
that has been my serial number for the last almost 30 years.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ward Dudley
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 7:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What is your first version of Jaws

Jaws for DOS.


Ward


On 10/31/2018 5:30 PM, Larry Gassman wrote:
I don't remember the exact version but it was 1997. So it had to be
around 2. something.
Larry
At 03:17 PM 10/31/2018, you wrote:

I started with JAWS 3.1.



Maria Campbell
<mailto:lucky1inct@gmail.com>lucky1inct@gmail.com

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~

On 10/31/2018 6:15 PM, Michael Munn wrote:
Man! You'all had been using Jaws for a long time. I had been using
Jaws for only 2 years. My first Jaws version was Jaws17. I learned
my command from other screen reader. You know that all screen
reader have the same element. T for table H for heading and B for
button... I was a former Window-eyes user for couple months.Â


"If a person must be blind, it is better to be blind in Iowa than
anywhere else in the nation or in the world."
Harold Russell,Â
Des MoinesÂ
1968
Michael Munn
Member:
Virginia Association of Blind Student Delegate:Â Â Virginia
Association of Blind Student Student of:
Hadley Institute for the Blind
<http://www.hadley.edu>www.hadley.edu
Email address:
<mailto:michaelrbms@gmail.com>michaelrbms@gmail.com




On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 5:05 PM David Moore
<<mailto:jesusloves1966@gmail.com>jesusloves1966@gmail.com> wrote:

My first version of JAWS was 3.7.

I began using that version when I went back to Ohio State University
in 2002!

David Moore

Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for
Windows 10

Â

From: <mailto:northstarr1950@gmail.com>ratshtron
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 4:59 PM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What is your first version of Jaws

Â

hmmm, my first jaws was 2.0.

Â

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Legend has it that on Wednesday 10/31/2018 03:47 PM, Michael Munn said:

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locked Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Maria Campbell
 

Actually, I make donations to NVDA as my JAWS backup.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~

On 11/2/2018 6:11 PM, Cristóbal wrote:

15 whole dollars. You’re showing them. You could also really stick it to them by switching over to NVDA and pay nothing at all.  Then you could tell the big bad Vispero folks… Who’s your daddy!

Good God.

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 2:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Actually, that's even less expensive than the SMA, since it makes it $45 per year.  Hmm.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/2/2018 5:25 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:

I'll keep that in mind when they yank the SMA.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/2/2018 5:22 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

I thought of a suggestion for beating Vispero at its own game.  Instead of buying a one year license every year, why not consider buying a one year license every two years instead?  So if you purchase a one year license for JAWS 2019, consider skipping JAWS 2020, unless it has some new feature you feel that you must absolutely have, and buy a one year license again when JAWS 2021 is released.  This way, you have the benefit of keeping JAWS reasonably up to date and slashing yourannual cost for JAWS in half.  As JAWS 2019 demonstrates, Vispero is finally running out of ideas for new whiz bang features, and is concentrating more on bug fixes and minor enhancements, some of which may be of dubious value.  So just buy a one year license in odd years, or even years, whichever you prefer.  Some users have reported that JAWS versions released in odd years have fewer bugs than those released in even years, while others have reported just the opposite.  Take your pick.  In any case, it’s like having your cake and eating it, too. So instead of being a slave to the annual update, stick it to Vispero instead.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 4:20 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

As others have pointed out many times, no one’s making you use Jaws. NVDA’s nice and free. I’m primarily a Jaws user and use NVDA mainly in a pinch or if Jaws has frozen on me, but I still donate to the NVDA project. It’s good that there’s an option for those who don’t have the means for commercial screen readers and alternatives are always good. But yes, please come back with some sort of line of how NVDA is a public project that can be abandoned at any time blah blah blah.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

According to Eric, the advantage of buying a five year license is that it protects you against future price increases.  So if you buy a five year license now for $450, which works out to $90 a year, and Vispero decides next year to raise the price of a one year license to $100, you are locked in to the cheaper price for five years.  What a swell bunch of guys!

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Dave Durber

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 2:55 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Hello Gerald:

 

Don't forget the interest on the money if customers decide to pay for the additional years.

 

The are laughing all the way to the bank. In addition, it is a case of having their cake and eating it!

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 3:21 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

You’re absolutely right.  To me, the five year license is nothing but a scam to get customers to pay upfront so that Vispero has the use of these funds immediately.  If they were really concerned about their customers who live on fixed incomes, they would offer a discount of say, 10% or 15% if you buy a five years license so that it would cost only $400 instead of $450, as a gesture of good faith to their long-term customers.  Again, I see no advantage paying $450 up front for a five year license when buying an annual license every year for the next five years would cost exactly the same.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 11:06 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.  Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive our JAWS from agencies?

 

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a lot.� With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year.� But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year and it goes up from there.� What is the purpose of this?�

 

Stew

 

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

�

It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.

�

Is this correct?

�

I do have one concern, though.

�

$90 a year doesn�t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the license by December 31.

�

Am I missing something?

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

from the fs e store.

�

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Michael:

�

Where did you get this info?

�

I�m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.

�

I�d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options if possible.

�

Thanks for the help!

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to get new versions when they release � you have access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows�, Microsoft Office�, your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison

What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive and sign in � your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal, non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Hello, everyone.

�

I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can�t seem to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

�

Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do something to renew it at some point.

�

Up until now, I�ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.

�

If there now is a more economical way to do this, I�d certainly love to learn about it.

�

Dr.� Tom Behler from Michigan

�

�

 

 

 

 



locked Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Don Walls
 

No, just a list member getting very fed up with the long string of repetitive contributions.
 

From: Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 3:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription
 

Are you a moderator?

 

Maria Campbell
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~ Blaise Pascal ~

On 11/2/2018 6:06 PM, Don Walls wrote:
This thread seems to be degenerating into a series of rants.  Perhaps time to retire it?
 
Don


locked Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Cristóbal
 

15 whole dollars. You’re showing them. You could also really stick it to them by switching over to NVDA and pay nothing at all.  Then you could tell the big bad Vispero folks… Who’s your daddy!

Good God.

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 2:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Actually, that's even less expensive than the SMA, since it makes it $45 per year.  Hmm.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/2/2018 5:25 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:

I'll keep that in mind when they yank the SMA.

 

Maria Campbell
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Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/2/2018 5:22 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

I thought of a suggestion for beating Vispero at its own game.  Instead of buying a one year license every year, why not consider buying a one year license every two years instead?  So if you purchase a one year license for JAWS 2019, consider skipping JAWS 2020, unless it has some new feature you feel that you must absolutely have, and buy a one year license again when JAWS 2021 is released.  This way, you have the benefit of keeping JAWS reasonably up to date and slashing yourannual cost for JAWS in half.  As JAWS 2019 demonstrates, Vispero is finally running out of ideas for new whiz bang features, and is concentrating more on bug fixes and minor enhancements, some of which may be of dubious value.  So just buy a one year license in odd years, or even years, whichever you prefer.  Some users have reported that JAWS versions released in odd years have fewer bugs than those released in even years, while others have reported just the opposite.  Take your pick.  In any case, it’s like having your cake and eating it, too. So instead of being a slave to the annual update, stick it to Vispero instead.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 4:20 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

As others have pointed out many times, no one’s making you use Jaws. NVDA’s nice and free. I’m primarily a Jaws user and use NVDA mainly in a pinch or if Jaws has frozen on me, but I still donate to the NVDA project. It’s good that there’s an option for those who don’t have the means for commercial screen readers and alternatives are always good. But yes, please come back with some sort of line of how NVDA is a public project that can be abandoned at any time blah blah blah.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

According to Eric, the advantage of buying a five year license is that it protects you against future price increases.  So if you buy a five year license now for $450, which works out to $90 a year, and Vispero decides next year to raise the price of a one year license to $100, you are locked in to the cheaper price for five years.  What a swell bunch of guys!

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 2:55 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

Hello Gerald:

 

Don't forget the interest on the money if customers decide to pay for the additional years.

 

The are laughing all the way to the bank. In addition, it is a case of having their cake and eating it!

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 3:21 PM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

 

You’re absolutely right.  To me, the five year license is nothing but a scam to get customers to pay upfront so that Vispero has the use of these funds immediately.  If they were really concerned about their customers who live on fixed incomes, they would offer a discount of say, 10% or 15% if you buy a five years license so that it would cost only $400 instead of $450, as a gesture of good faith to their long-term customers.  Again, I see no advantage paying $450 up front for a five year license when buying an annual license every year for the next five years would cost exactly the same.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 11:06 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.  Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive our JAWS from agencies?

 

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a lot.� With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year.� But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year and it goes up from there.� What is the purpose of this?�

 

Stew

 

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

�

It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.

�

Is this correct?

�

I do have one concern, though.

�

$90 a year doesn�t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the license by December 31.

�

Am I missing something?

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

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�

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Michael:

�

Where did you get this info?

�

I�m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.

�

I�d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options if possible.

�

Thanks for the help!

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to get new versions when they release � you have access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows�, Microsoft Office�, your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison

What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive and sign in � your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal, non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Hello, everyone.

�

I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can�t seem to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

�

Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do something to renew it at some point.

�

Up until now, I�ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.

�

If there now is a more economical way to do this, I�d certainly love to learn about it.

�

Dr.� Tom Behler from Michigan

�

�

 

 

 

 


locked Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Maria Campbell
 

Are you a moderator?


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~

On 11/2/2018 6:06 PM, Don Walls wrote:

This thread seems to be degenerating into a series of rants.  Perhaps time to retire it?
 
Don