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Re: keystrokes for pop-ups

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Sieghard. I did try that keystroke, and it does work. Fodusing on the element that requires a click, then using the Left Mouse JAWS click also works.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 9:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: keystrokes for pop-ups

 

Have yu tried the Jaws Mouseover keysroke, Jaws Key+Control+Enter? If you do that keystroke and you hear “change at line 23” where 23 is just a random number I picked as an example, then use “j”, the jump command” and type in 23 and press enter, then down arrow to see if the options are there.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 7:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: keystrokes for pop-ups

 

Hi, Brian. I think I have discovered what the announcement in JAWS about a popup is. I went to Barnes and Noble, and it told me that the link for “My Account” has a popup. I didn’t know how to get the site to show me the options, so I called Customer Service. They told me that it is a link which requires hovering over the item with the mouse. I tried using the Left Mouse button on the NumPad, and it opened up the items under “My Account”. Just clicking on the link itself didn’t open the options. So I think that “Has a popup” means that it is a hover link.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: keystrokes for pop-ups

 

Bill,

            It just hit me that you said this was in Firefox Options.  If you can tell me how you're navigating to where the problem occurs, and what you're searching for, that would be helpful.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: How to get the old Alt Tab dialog in Windows 10 Back

 

I’m trying to remember how the “old Alt+Tab” method was different from using Alt+tab now in Windows 10?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 3:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to get the old Alt Tab dialog in Windows 10 Back

 

Hi Dean,

 

I prefer it much better than the default Alt + Tab method.  But, my preferences are exactly that, my preferences.  I only put this out because I've read many times how people don't like the way the default Alt + Tab works and are suggested to use Windows key + Tab instead.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 2:56 PM

Subject: Re: How to get the old Alt Tab dialog in Windows 10 Back

 

Does this process benefit screen reader users?  The current alt+tab approach seems pretty responsive to me.

 

 

Thought-provoking reading: http://bahaiteachings.org

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 3:41 PM
To: JFW List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: How to get the old Alt Tab dialog in Windows 10 Back

 

Hi All,

 

Running Windows 10 Pro and Jaws latest.  I came across this, tried it and it works as advertised.  I didn't do the registry hack personally, but downloaded the program and made the change with their program.  Here's the website to hear how it works and the download link & steps are below the website URL.

 

 

To download the program click on the link below, press the letter, B for button, then up arrow a few times to the download link.

 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.


Re: jaws 2018 and thinking to buy a NAS

 

I bought the Synology DS918+ and for the most part did so because Jonathan Mosen wrote about Diskstation Manager being very accessible and that Synology does think this is important. I haven't done too much with it yet, but ti does seem pretty accessible from what I have seen so far.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jonas Voll
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 5:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2018 and thinking to buy a NAS

I have the Iomega one, not to bad and not very expensive, but not very much memory only 250 MB.
The Synology are very nice, but very expensive!
If your needs are not very much, you may just want to get an SAN!
SAN:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAN#Computing
NAS:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=NAS+network&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go



Jonas Voll
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Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration for the blind and visually impaired through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 3:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2018 and thinking to buy a NAS

Hi Daan,

I use a device in the MyCloud series from Western Digital and it works well.

I don't know how it compares features-wise with the companies you mention, though my needs are relatively basic.

Cheers,

Ed


On 11 Oct 2018, at 12:15, Daan Staes <staesdaan@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,

I am currently using jaws 2018 and want to buy a NAS. Since
accessibility of the interface of the NAS is very important I send
this message to the group to ask if there is someone to help me to
choose the most accessible NAS system.

I read Synology is a good company that makes NAS systems with cool
features and a big app store. I am wondering if the interface of "disk
station" is accessible and also are the extra apps also accessible.

Are there other NAS systems like QNAP or Netgear also accessible?

Thanks
Regards
Daan





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Re: keystrokes for pop-ups

 

Hi Bill,

 

I just tried this in FireFox > Options and if I type for, example, “privacy” and press enter it seems to put me in application mode, if you get out of it by pressing the PC cursor a couple of times and then simply down arrow you should find the options/search results. Yes, it says “privacy, has popup”, but I don’t think this really means much.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 8:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: keystrokes for pop-ups

 

I’m on the same version as yourself. I’m using JAWS 2018, and when I go to General, in Options, it says,

 

Find an option, has popup.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 8:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: keystrokes for pop-ups

 

What version of Firefox?   I'm on 62.0.3.

When I open Options, and I'm using NVDA right now, it just announces "Unknown" when I'm in the search box, which is where you land by default, and I can tab out of it to items on the page.  If I return to that edit box it announces it has auto complete.  When I try to look for a frame I get that there are none.

I really can't explain why JAWS would be reporting a "Pop up" and I'm imagining that this might be how "has auto complete" is being reported for some odd reason.  There is definitely no pop up.  As you type characters into that search box what is displayed keeps getting more and more limited based on what you've entered (provided there's a match).  For example, as I type the first five letters of "language" the display keeps changing until the only thing I have is language options.  I can tab out of the search box to the Choose Language button and the checkbox related to spell checking.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: keystrokes for pop-ups

 

Have yu tried the Jaws Mouseover keysroke, Jaws Key+Control+Enter? If you do that keystroke and you hear “change at line 23” where 23 is just a random number I picked as an example, then use “j”, the jump command” and type in 23 and press enter, then down arrow to see if the options are there.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 7:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: keystrokes for pop-ups

 

Hi, Brian. I think I have discovered what the announcement in JAWS about a popup is. I went to Barnes and Noble, and it told me that the link for “My Account” has a popup. I didn’t know how to get the site to show me the options, so I called Customer Service. They told me that it is a link which requires hovering over the item with the mouse. I tried using the Left Mouse button on the NumPad, and it opened up the items under “My Account”. Just clicking on the link itself didn’t open the options. So I think that “Has a popup” means that it is a hover link.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: keystrokes for pop-ups

 

Bill,

            It just hit me that you said this was in Firefox Options.  If you can tell me how you're navigating to where the problem occurs, and what you're searching for, that would be helpful.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Lastt Pass Accessibility with JAWS

Hope Williamson <isepic@...>
 

Hi I use LastPass in Firefox well actually, Waterfox now and it works the same way. It will ask you if you want it to remember site log in information for you. If you need to change something usually I just end up going to the vault and changing it.


Re: Outlook, getting to the options for dealing with an attachment

Tom <tomcat509@...>
 

That is a very nifty Outlook trick Anne.

I also tried it in Thunderbird but no success unfortunately.
Tom


I

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Friday, 12 October 2018 10:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook, getting to the options for dealing with an attachment

I love it. That way you don't have to navigate through folders to
find what you want to attach.

Similarly, while in the list of attachments, you can copy an
attachment's name and paste it into a folder, avoiding the whole save
rigmarol.
At 07:24 AM 10/12/2018, you wrote:
Hi Anne,

I never knew that about pasting the attached file into the body of the
email
that's a handy one to remember.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: 12 October 2018 12:02
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook, getting to the options for dealing with an attachment

Insert+a makes a list of attachments, and there is the option to open or
save.

Also, shift+tab often reaches the attachments list. Someone said
alt+f, then m to save all attachments.

To insert an attachment, copy the file name and paste it into the body of
the email.

At 01:03 AM 10/12/2018, you wrote:
What is the method for reaching the options for opening or saving a
single attachment in Outlook? I know it has something to do with using
the arrows in combination with another key, but at the moment, I can't
remember the keystroke.

If you have highlighted an attachment, I thought it was ALT plus Down
Arrow, but that's not it.

Bill White

<mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>billwhite92701@dslextreme.com







Re: How to get the old Alt Tab dialog in Windows 10 Back

Mike B. <mike9902@...>
 

Hi Dean,
 
I prefer it much better than the default Alt + Tab method.  But, my preferences are exactly that, my preferences.  I only put this out because I've read many times how people don't like the way the default Alt + Tab works and are suggested to use Windows key + Tab instead.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: How to get the old Alt Tab dialog in Windows 10 Back

Does this process benefit screen reader users?  The current alt+tab approach seems pretty responsive to me.

 

 

Thought-provoking reading: http://bahaiteachings.org

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 3:41 PM
To: JFW List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: How to get the old Alt Tab dialog in Windows 10 Back

 

Hi All,

 

Running Windows 10 Pro and Jaws latest.  I came across this, tried it and it works as advertised.  I didn't do the registry hack personally, but downloaded the program and made the change with their program.  Here's the website to hear how it works and the download link & steps are below the website URL.

 

 

To download the program click on the link below, press the letter, B for button, then up arrow a few times to the download link.

 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.


Re: How to get the old Alt Tab dialog in Windows 10 Back

Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

Does this process benefit screen reader users?  The current alt+tab approach seems pretty responsive to me.

 

 

Thought-provoking reading: http://bahaiteachings.org

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 3:41 PM
To: JFW List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: How to get the old Alt Tab dialog in Windows 10 Back

 

Hi All,

 

Running Windows 10 Pro and Jaws latest.  I came across this, tried it and it works as advertised.  I didn't do the registry hack personally, but downloaded the program and made the change with their program.  Here's the website to hear how it works and the download link & steps are below the website URL.

 

 

To download the program click on the link below, press the letter, B for button, then up arrow a few times to the download link.

 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.


Re: Last Pass Accessibility with JAWS

paul lemm
 

Hi,

The only thing I can think is maybe it’s a firefox thing, I've never tried it with fire fox only chrome and not had any issues with it.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: 12 October 2018 20:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Lastt Pass Accessibility with JAWS

i don't know what is going on for me. i don't get any option to save my passwords to the lastpass vault.
i have to enter them in manually. and i have to log last pass in every time i load firefox.
it does not remember my last pass user name or password even when i check both options to remember them.
i did try the option to keep lastpass logged in, say for 6 hours. but i will still have to log in again when i close firefox.



-----Original Message-----
From: paul lemm
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 11:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Lastt Pass Accessibility with JAWS



Hi,



I use last pass personal and it works fine for me. I’m using chrome, I haven’t
tried it with firefox, but in chrome if you ask it to remember your last pass
log in it will so you don’t need to keep logging in all the time. Also whenever
I go to a site which isn’t already saved in last pass it will always ask me
automatically if I want last pass to remember the details for next time, then
stores them in my last pass vault. I think every so often (maybe once a week)
I might be asked to enter my last pass password, but I guess that’s just a
security feature to check its still you using the computer. Also in chrome you
can just right click and last pass appears in that menu with various last pass
options.



paul





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joe DiNero
Sent: 12 October 2018 16:48
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Lastt Pass Accessibility with JAWS





Good Morning Folks,



Happy Friday!!! Does anyone use Last Pass and if so how accessible is it with
JAWS. My company uses it to send credentials for testing purposes on various
websites.



Thanks

Joe











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Re: What Keystroke for the following situation?

Steve Matzura
 

I would try the spacebar. Sometimes that will open what appears as a list box, or a list of links.


On 10/10/2018 11:42 AM, Bill White wrote:

When I am using JAWS, and I get an announcement like the following, what keystroke do I use to read said popup

 

Options Read Only
Find in Options Edit Has Popup

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 




Re: Lastt Pass Accessibility with JAWS

netbat66
 

i don't know what is going on for me. i don't get any option to save my passwords to the lastpass vault.
i have to enter them in manually. and i have to log last pass in every time i load firefox.
it does not remember my last pass user name or password even when i check both options to remember them.
i did try the option to keep lastpass logged in, say for 6 hours. but i will still have to log in again when i close firefox.

-----Original Message-----
From: paul lemm
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 11:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Lastt Pass Accessibility with JAWS



Hi,



I use last pass personal and it works fine for me. I’m using chrome, I haven’t tried it with firefox, but in chrome if you ask it to remember your last pass log in it will so you don’t need to keep logging in all the time. Also whenever I go to a site which isn’t already saved in last pass it will always ask me automatically if I want last pass to remember the details for next time, then stores them in my last pass vault. I think every so often (maybe once a week) I might be asked to enter my last pass password, but I guess that’s just a security feature to check its still you using the computer. Also in chrome you can just right click and last pass appears in that menu with various last pass options.



paul





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joe DiNero
Sent: 12 October 2018 16:48
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Lastt Pass Accessibility with JAWS





Good Morning Folks,



Happy Friday!!! Does anyone use Last Pass and if so how accessible is it with JAWS. My company uses it to send credentials for testing purposes on various websites.



Thanks

Joe











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How to get the old Alt Tab dialog in Windows 10 Back

Mike B. <mike9902@...>
 

Hi All,
 
Running Windows 10 Pro and Jaws latest.  I came across this, tried it and it works as advertised.  I didn't do the registry hack personally, but downloaded the program and made the change with their program.  Here's the website to hear how it works and the download link & steps are below the website URL.
 
 
To download the program click on the link below, press the letter, B for button, then up arrow a few times to the download link.

 
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.


Re: Lastt Pass Accessibility with JAWS

paul lemm
 

Hi,

 

I use last pass personal and it works fine for me. I’m using chrome, I haven’t tried it with firefox, but in chrome if you ask it to remember your last pass log in it will so you don’t need to keep logging in all the time. Also whenever I go to a site which isn’t already saved in last pass it will always ask me automatically  if I want last pass to remember the details for next time, then stores them in my last pass vault. I think every so often  (maybe once a week) I might be asked to enter my last pass password, but I guess that’s just a security feature to check its still you using the computer.  Also in chrome you can just right click  and last pass appears in that menu with various last pass options.

 

paul

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joe DiNero
Sent: 12 October 2018 16:48
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Lastt Pass Accessibility with JAWS

 

Good Morning Folks,

 

Happy Friday!!! Does anyone use Last Pass and if so how accessible is it with JAWS. My company uses it to send credentials for testing purposes on various websites.

 

Thanks

Joe

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: Jaws Beta 3

Mike Capelle <mike.capelle@...>
 

JFW beta three will come out when it comes out, patients.


Re: jaws 2018 and thinking to buy a NAS

John Gurd
 

Just a warning about WD MyCloud products. I have a MyCloud EX4 and have found some parts of the interface are inaccessible with JFW at least. More importantly, despite Western Digital being a large complany, the product has a history of serious internet vulnerabilities. Two in recent years allow someone  to take control remotely and the 2nd is still on-going. So much so, users are being told to unplug them from the internet. 

John Gurd

On 11 Oct 2018, at 9:37 pm, Edward Green <ergreen1981@...> wrote:

Hi Daan,

I use a device in the MyCloud series from Western Digital and it works well.

I don't know how it compares features-wise with the companies you mention, though my needs are relatively basic.

Cheers,

Ed


On 11 Oct 2018, at 12:15, Daan Staes <staesdaan@...> wrote:

Hello,

I am currently using jaws 2018 and want to buy a NAS. Since
accessibility of the interface of the NAS is very important I send
this message to the group to ask if there is someone to help me to
choose the most accessible NAS system.

I read Synology is a good company that makes NAS systems with cool
features and a big app store. I am wondering if the interface of "disk
station" is accessible and also are the extra apps also accessible.

Are there other NAS systems like QNAP or Netgear also accessible?

Thanks
Regards
Daan







Re: keystrokes for pop-ups

Maria Campbell
 

Personally, I don't think auto complete is too much.  Just saying.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

Success is having the courage to meet failure without being defeated.

On 10/12/2018 1:15 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Bill,

           Thank you very much for having taken the time to report back about your conversation with Vispero.

           I also hope that they have taken on board that this description of "pop up" is very ill suited to the situation at hand.  I'd go for "fill-in options present" or something if autocomplete is considered too much (but if it is, my phrase would be, too).

           It also seems to me that a great many JAWS users never, ever bother to learn about or try the different verbosity options.  I've never quite understood why this is and I've worked with folks who have used JAWS for decades who have beginner verbosity, complain about the intrusiveness of it, and when I ask about whether they've ever tried the other settings I get a variant on, "You mean you can set JAWS to talk less?"   Most of my clients happen to be beginners who need beginner level verbosity, but I always mention that as they become more comfortable and more skilled they may want to ratchet JAWS verbosity back.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back



Re: keystrokes for pop-ups

 

Bill,

           Thank you very much for having taken the time to report back about your conversation with Vispero.

           I also hope that they have taken on board that this description of "pop up" is very ill suited to the situation at hand.  I'd go for "fill-in options present" or something if autocomplete is considered too much (but if it is, my phrase would be, too).

           It also seems to me that a great many JAWS users never, ever bother to learn about or try the different verbosity options.  I've never quite understood why this is and I've worked with folks who have used JAWS for decades who have beginner verbosity, complain about the intrusiveness of it, and when I ask about whether they've ever tried the other settings I get a variant on, "You mean you can set JAWS to talk less?"   Most of my clients happen to be beginners who need beginner level verbosity, but I always mention that as they become more comfortable and more skilled they may want to ratchet JAWS verbosity back.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Lastt Pass Accessibility with JAWS

Hope Williamson <isepic@...>
 

Hi, unfortunately I don’t have experience with LastPass enterprise, but I do use the personal version and it works fine with both JAWS and NVDA. Well it does for me, anyway.


Re: Lastt Pass Accessibility with JAWS

netbat66
 

i would like to know too.
for me it is not very usable with speech in its options menu or otherwise.
i have it installed on windows 7. but it seldom asks me about what is going on.
i only have one entry in the vault that i had to add manually. that one works and will log me in.
i have to open a context menu and log on to last pass every time i load firefox ,even though i tell it to remember the user name and/or the last pass password. it does not remember them.
so far it has never popped up to ask me to automatically save the log on info to the vault. even though i am logged in to last pass.
the only way it will auto fill is after i manually add a web page, user name and password in the vault. and it is mouse driven. i can't get to any of the menu options without the mouse.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe DiNero
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 8:48 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Lastt Pass Accessibility with JAWS



Good Morning Folks,



Happy Friday!!! Does anyone use Last Pass and if so how accessible is it with JAWS. My company uses it to send credentials for testing purposes on various websites.



Thanks

Joe


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