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Re: keystrokes for pop-ups

Maria Campbell
 

Personally, I don't think auto complete is too much.  Just saying.


Maria Campbell
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On 10/12/2018 1:15 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Bill,

           Thank you very much for having taken the time to report back about your conversation with Vispero.

           I also hope that they have taken on board that this description of "pop up" is very ill suited to the situation at hand.  I'd go for "fill-in options present" or something if autocomplete is considered too much (but if it is, my phrase would be, too).

           It also seems to me that a great many JAWS users never, ever bother to learn about or try the different verbosity options.  I've never quite understood why this is and I've worked with folks who have used JAWS for decades who have beginner verbosity, complain about the intrusiveness of it, and when I ask about whether they've ever tried the other settings I get a variant on, "You mean you can set JAWS to talk less?"   Most of my clients happen to be beginners who need beginner level verbosity, but I always mention that as they become more comfortable and more skilled they may want to ratchet JAWS verbosity back.

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Re: keystrokes for pop-ups

 

Bill,

           Thank you very much for having taken the time to report back about your conversation with Vispero.

           I also hope that they have taken on board that this description of "pop up" is very ill suited to the situation at hand.  I'd go for "fill-in options present" or something if autocomplete is considered too much (but if it is, my phrase would be, too).

           It also seems to me that a great many JAWS users never, ever bother to learn about or try the different verbosity options.  I've never quite understood why this is and I've worked with folks who have used JAWS for decades who have beginner verbosity, complain about the intrusiveness of it, and when I ask about whether they've ever tried the other settings I get a variant on, "You mean you can set JAWS to talk less?"   Most of my clients happen to be beginners who need beginner level verbosity, but I always mention that as they become more comfortable and more skilled they may want to ratchet JAWS verbosity back.

--

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    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Lastt Pass Accessibility with JAWS

Hope Williamson <isepic@...>
 

Hi, unfortunately I don’t have experience with LastPass enterprise, but I do use the personal version and it works fine with both JAWS and NVDA. Well it does for me, anyway.


Re: Lastt Pass Accessibility with JAWS

netbat66
 

i would like to know too.
for me it is not very usable with speech in its options menu or otherwise.
i have it installed on windows 7. but it seldom asks me about what is going on.
i only have one entry in the vault that i had to add manually. that one works and will log me in.
i have to open a context menu and log on to last pass every time i load firefox ,even though i tell it to remember the user name and/or the last pass password. it does not remember them.
so far it has never popped up to ask me to automatically save the log on info to the vault. even though i am logged in to last pass.
the only way it will auto fill is after i manually add a web page, user name and password in the vault. and it is mouse driven. i can't get to any of the menu options without the mouse.

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Subject: Lastt Pass Accessibility with JAWS



Good Morning Folks,



Happy Friday!!! Does anyone use Last Pass and if so how accessible is it with JAWS. My company uses it to send credentials for testing purposes on various websites.



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Re: keystrokes for pop-ups

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Brian. I called Vispero about the “Has popup message. Nikki at Vispero told me that “Has popup is synonymous with “Autocomplete” in NVDA. It used to say Autocomplete in JAWS as well, but some users told them that they didn’t like JAWS always saying Autocomplete, so they changed the verbiage to Has popup. It’s a situation where there’s an edit field, and as soon as some letters are typed in the edit field, suggestions appear below. She told me that by using the Virtual Cursor key (NumPad Plus twice, then arrowing down, the results of the popup or autocomplete can be viewed. In Firefox, these results may also be seen by Tabbing a few times.

 

When I explained that JAWS also says Has popup, in situations where a mouse hover is needed, she said that JAWS gets its information from the webpage, and that if the webpage sends information to JAWS that acts like an autocomplete, even though it’s a mouse hover, JAWS won’t know the difference, and will act as if it’s a situation where you would type in some letters, and suggestions would appear. This is what they mean by a popup.

 

Bill White

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 9:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: keystrokes for pop-ups

 

Bill,

          That is inaccurate based on any version/definition of "pop up" I've ever encountered.  This is something that might be worth pursuing with Vispero (formerly VFO, formerly Freedom Scientific).  I'd love to hear the explanation behind this.

--

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    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Lastt Pass Accessibility with JAWS

Joe DiNero
 

Good Morning Folks,

 

Happy Friday!!! Does anyone use Last Pass and if so how accessible is it with JAWS. My company uses it to send credentials for testing purposes on various websites.

 

Thanks

Joe


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Re: Bit coin

Jonas Voll
 

It's an specific package That is BVI friendly!

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 11:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Bit coin

I am not familiar with that software. Is this a specific package or are you asking if any current trading software is accessible?

On 10/11/18, Jonas Voll <jonas.voll@envisionus.com> wrote:
BVI = Blind or Vision impaired indevigeals!




Jonas Voll
Support Technician I
Envision, Inc.
2301 S Water ST
Wichita, KS 67213
O: 316-425-7141
F: 316-267-4312
www.envisionus.com

Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration for
the blind and visually impaired through employment, outreach,
rehabilitation, education and research.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 11:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Bit coin

Are you referring to the British Virgin Islands? If so, why?
It is difficult enough to find a reputable place to trade Bitcoin
without going overseas.

On 10/11/18, Jonas Voll <jonas.voll@envisionus.com> wrote:
Hey anyone know if the BVI friendly bit coin software is done?



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Re: Outlook, getting to the options for dealing with an attachment

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Richard. Yes, Alt, followed by Down Arrow was the keystroke I was looking for.

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 6:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook, getting to the options for dealing with an attachment

 

 

In Outlook, press insert plus a then alt-down-arrow to bring up the options to open, save print, etc.

HTH,

Richard

 

 

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On Oct 12, 2018, at 5:24 AM, paul lemm <paul.lemm@...> wrote:

Hi Anne,

I never knew that about pasting the attached file into the body of the email
that's a handy one to remember.

Paul

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: 12 October 2018 12:02
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook, getting to the options for dealing with an attachment

Insert+a makes a list of attachments, and there is the option to open or
save.

Also, shift+tab often reaches the attachments list.  Someone said
alt+f, then m to save all attachments.

To insert an attachment, copy the file name and paste it into the body of
the email.

At 01:03 AM 10/12/2018, you wrote:

What is the method for reaching the options for opening or saving a

single attachment in Outlook? I know it has something to do with using

the arrows in combination with another key, but at the moment, I can't

remember the keystroke.

 

If you have highlighted an attachment, I thought it was ALT plus Down

Arrow, but that's not it.

 

Bill White

 

<mailto:billwhite92701@...>billwhite92701@...

 

 









Re: Outlook, getting to the options for dealing with an attachment

Richard Turner
 


In Outlook, press insert plus a then alt-down-arrow to bring up the options to open, save print, etc.
HTH,
Richard



xpert: an ex is a has-been, a spirt is a drip under pressure. -- Bruce U. Utah Phillips



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On Oct 12, 2018, at 5:24 AM, paul lemm <paul.lemm@...> wrote:

Hi Anne,

I never knew that about pasting the attached file into the body of the email
that's a handy one to remember.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: 12 October 2018 12:02
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook, getting to the options for dealing with an attachment

Insert+a makes a list of attachments, and there is the option to open or
save.

Also, shift+tab often reaches the attachments list.  Someone said
alt+f, then m to save all attachments.

To insert an attachment, copy the file name and paste it into the body of
the email.

At 01:03 AM 10/12/2018, you wrote:
What is the method for reaching the options for opening or saving a
single attachment in Outlook? I know it has something to do with using
the arrows in combination with another key, but at the moment, I can't
remember the keystroke.

If you have highlighted an attachment, I thought it was ALT plus Down
Arrow, but that's not it.

Bill White

<mailto:billwhite92701@...>billwhite92701@...











Re: Outlook, getting to the options for dealing with an attachment

Ann Byrne
 

I love it. That way you don't have to navigate through folders to find what you want to attach.

Similarly, while in the list of attachments, you can copy an attachment's name and paste it into a folder, avoiding the whole save rigmarol.

At 07:24 AM 10/12/2018, you wrote:
Hi Anne,

I never knew that about pasting the attached file into the body of the email
that's a handy one to remember.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: 12 October 2018 12:02
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook, getting to the options for dealing with an attachment

Insert+a makes a list of attachments, and there is the option to open or
save.

Also, shift+tab often reaches the attachments list. Someone said
alt+f, then m to save all attachments.

To insert an attachment, copy the file name and paste it into the body of
the email.

At 01:03 AM 10/12/2018, you wrote:
What is the method for reaching the options for opening or saving a
single attachment in Outlook? I know it has something to do with using
the arrows in combination with another key, but at the moment, I can't
remember the keystroke.

If you have highlighted an attachment, I thought it was ALT plus Down
Arrow, but that's not it.

Bill White

<mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>billwhite92701@dslextreme.com







Re: Outlook, getting to the options for dealing with an attachment

paul lemm
 

Hi Bill,

 

Not sure if this is really what your after, but if you’ve found the attachment in the email already you can right click the attachment  and that will bring up various options such as open, save as etc.

 

Paul

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 12 October 2018 07:04
To: JFW Mailing List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Outlook, getting to the options for dealing with an attachment

 

What is the method for reaching the options for opening or saving a single attachment in Outlook? I know it has something to do with using the arrows in combination with another key, but at the moment, I can’t remember the keystroke.

 

If you have highlighted an attachment, I thought it was ALT plus Down Arrow, but that’s not it.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


Re: Outlook, getting to the options for dealing with an attachment

paul lemm
 

Hi Anne,

I never knew that about pasting the attached file into the body of the email
that's a handy one to remember.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: 12 October 2018 12:02
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook, getting to the options for dealing with an attachment

Insert+a makes a list of attachments, and there is the option to open or
save.

Also, shift+tab often reaches the attachments list. Someone said
alt+f, then m to save all attachments.

To insert an attachment, copy the file name and paste it into the body of
the email.

At 01:03 AM 10/12/2018, you wrote:
What is the method for reaching the options for opening or saving a
single attachment in Outlook? I know it has something to do with using
the arrows in combination with another key, but at the moment, I can't
remember the keystroke.

If you have highlighted an attachment, I thought it was ALT plus Down
Arrow, but that's not it.

Bill White

<mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>billwhite92701@dslextreme.com


Re: jaws 2018 and thinking to buy a NAS

Jonas Voll
 

I have the Iomega one, not to bad and not very expensive, but not very much memory only 250 MB.
The Synology are very nice, but very expensive!
If your needs are not very much, you may just want to get an SAN!
SAN:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAN#Computing
NAS:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=NAS+network&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go



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Envision, Inc.
2301 S Water ST
Wichita, KS 67213
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F: 316-267-4312
www.envisionus.com

Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration for the blind and visually impaired through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 3:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2018 and thinking to buy a NAS

Hi Daan,

I use a device in the MyCloud series from Western Digital and it works well.

I don't know how it compares features-wise with the companies you mention, though my needs are relatively basic.

Cheers,

Ed


On 11 Oct 2018, at 12:15, Daan Staes <staesdaan@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,

I am currently using jaws 2018 and want to buy a NAS. Since
accessibility of the interface of the NAS is very important I send
this message to the group to ask if there is someone to help me to
choose the most accessible NAS system.

I read Synology is a good company that makes NAS systems with cool
features and a big app store. I am wondering if the interface of "disk
station" is accessible and also are the extra apps also accessible.

Are there other NAS systems like QNAP or Netgear also accessible?

Thanks
Regards
Daan





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Re: Outlook, getting to the options for dealing with an attachment

Ann Byrne
 

Insert+a makes a list of attachments, and there is the option to open or save.

Also, shift+tab often reaches the attachments list. Someone said alt+f, then m to save all attachments.

To insert an attachment, copy the file name and paste it into the body of the email.

At 01:03 AM 10/12/2018, you wrote:
What is the method for reaching the options for opening or saving a single attachment in Outlook? I know it has something to do with using the arrows in combination with another key, but at the moment, I can't remember the keystroke.

If you have highlighted an attachment, I thought it was ALT plus Down Arrow, but that's not it.

Bill White

<mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>billwhite92701@dslextreme.com


accessible screen writing software

Marvin Hunkin <neilmarvin@...>
 

Hi. need to use an accessible screen writing software. Doing a gaming course from http://www.upskilled.edu.au and was trying to use adobe story cc 2017 and adobe classic. But adobe cc is totally useless with jaws and adobe classic will be no more from janaury 2019. So my question is, what free accessible screen writing software do people use. As don’t have a credit card.

Any ideas, suggestions, or software that works. Have just posted to the adobe story forum. See if any developers are there.

Thanks.


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Outlook, getting to the options for dealing with an attachment

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

What is the method for reaching the options for opening or saving a single attachment in Outlook? I know it has something to do with using the arrows in combination with another key, but at the moment, I can’t remember the keystroke.

 

If you have highlighted an attachment, I thought it was ALT plus Down Arrow, but that’s not it.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


Re: keystrokes for pop-ups

 

Bill,

          That is inaccurate based on any version/definition of "pop up" I've ever encountered.  This is something that might be worth pursuing with Vispero (formerly VFO, formerly Freedom Scientific).  I'd love to hear the explanation behind this.

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Re: keystrokes for pop-ups

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

I’m on the same version as yourself. I’m using JAWS 2018, and when I go to General, in Options, it says,

 

Find an option, has popup.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 8:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: keystrokes for pop-ups

 

What version of Firefox?   I'm on 62.0.3.

When I open Options, and I'm using NVDA right now, it just announces "Unknown" when I'm in the search box, which is where you land by default, and I can tab out of it to items on the page.  If I return to that edit box it announces it has auto complete.  When I try to look for a frame I get that there are none.

I really can't explain why JAWS would be reporting a "Pop up" and I'm imagining that this might be how "has auto complete" is being reported for some odd reason.  There is definitely no pop up.  As you type characters into that search box what is displayed keeps getting more and more limited based on what you've entered (provided there's a match).  For example, as I type the first five letters of "language" the display keeps changing until the only thing I have is language options.  I can tab out of the search box to the Choose Language button and the checkbox related to spell checking.

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Re: keystrokes for pop-ups

 

By the way, there is definitely not a mouse over action involved on the Firefox Options page.

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Re: keystrokes for pop-ups

 

What version of Firefox?   I'm on 62.0.3.

When I open Options, and I'm using NVDA right now, it just announces "Unknown" when I'm in the search box, which is where you land by default, and I can tab out of it to items on the page.  If I return to that edit box it announces it has auto complete.  When I try to look for a frame I get that there are none.

I really can't explain why JAWS would be reporting a "Pop up" and I'm imagining that this might be how "has auto complete" is being reported for some odd reason.  There is definitely no pop up.  As you type characters into that search box what is displayed keeps getting more and more limited based on what you've entered (provided there's a match).  For example, as I type the first five letters of "language" the display keeps changing until the only thing I have is language options.  I can tab out of the search box to the Choose Language button and the checkbox related to spell checking.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back