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Re: JAWS keeps speaking the progress of streams

Dave Durber
 

Hello Debby:

I tried cycling through the options by pressing JAWS KEY+S but, the speaking of the elapsed time are still spoken. By default, like you, the setting is Highlighted.

The layered keystroke, JAWS KEY+S, followed by the letter S, in JAWS 14, is a toggle to mute and unmute JAWS.

Thank you for your suggestions.

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Debby Hill" <dm-hill@comcast.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS keeps speaking the progress of streams


Hi Dave,

I have two ideas, but someone else may know others. First you can press the
JAWSKey plus the letter S and cycle through what JAWS will say. The choices
are all, none and highlighted. Mine has always defaulted to highlighted.
That will stop it saying the numbers as they advance.

Or you could use the layered keystroke JAWSKey then space and then S. This
has the choices of speech on demand and full speech. Remember with both of
these once you are done with the streaming, you will have to reset them.

Hope this helps!

Debby

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS keeps speaking the progress of streams

Hello everyone:

On my HP laptop, I am using Windows 7 and Jaws 14. When I am listening to
streamed audio from any of the radio stations on the BBc web site, JAWS
keeps announcing the elapsed time of any streamd audio I am listening too.
Does anyone have a suggestion as to how I can stop JAWS from doing this.

Thanks in anticipation.

Dave Durber








Re: JAWS 2019 Beta Download Links + What's New + Beta Report Form Link

Mário Navarro
 


thanks friend.

good work.

cheers.


Às 15:14 de 18/09/2018, Mike B. escreveu:
Hi All,
 
All the links are below plus what's new in this version.
 
 
 JAWS 2019 Beta Report Form:
 
 
32 Bit:
 
 
64 Bit:
 
 
What's new:
 
The following features are new to JAWS 2019. 
 
Faster JAWS Startup with Grace Period Authorization
 
JAWS 2019 introduces a new concept to help ease the delay in response when JAWS first launches and looks for authorization. In prior versions, JAWS would
not fully start until proper authorization was found. Since Authorization can include searching for a network license, the amount of time before JAWS started
speaking could be significant. While it is not possible to speed up this period directly, the authorization process will now be completed simultaneously
to startup. As JAWS searches for authorization, it enters a new "grace period" authorization state which provides limited functionality, similar to what
is available on the logon screen, so you can use speech and braille while authorization discovery takes place. Once the authorization check has finished,
JAWS then uses the correct feature set based on the license.
 
Separation of Office Scripts
 
JAWS Microsoft Office support for Word, Outlook, and Excel has been separated into different script sets which now load depending on the version of Office
currently running. This makes it much easier to make continued improvements to Office 365 support going forward without the risk of breaking JAWS functionality
in previous versions of Office for users who still rely on these older versions. If you are running Office 2016 or Office 365, and the version number includes
a build number of build 10000 or higher, the newly created Office settings for Word, Outlook, and Excel should be loaded when you run those applications.
If you are running earlier Office versions, JAWS should load the Word Classic, Outlook Classic, or Excel Classic settings.
 
To verify the version and build number of office you are using, press CTRL+INSERT+V. This command will also indicate if you are running a retail or subscription
version of Office. To verify which JAWS settings are loaded, press INSERT+Q.
 
Improved Performance in Office 365 Applications
 
With the changes made to separate the Office 365 support from the scripts for previous Office versions, we are now able to take advantage of more UIA functionality
provided by Microsoft. There is also much less decision making that needs to be done in the scripts since there are no longer other office versions to
be considered. As a result, users should notice greatly improved performance and responsiveness when using current versions of Word, Excel, and Outlook.
A few areas where users may notice increased responsiveness include:
 
list of 3 items
• Navigating large documents in Word that contain a lot of markup such as footnotes, endnotes, comments, tables, and so on.
• Editing data and formulas in Excel.
• Navigating large message folders in Outlook.
list end
 
For braille users, document spacing an formatting are now more accurately indicated on the braille display. This includes indents, outdents, and tab stops.
We have also addressed several issues with the braille cursor not always being positioned where expected, which made it difficult to sometimes edit using
braille.
 
If you are using a braille display with status cells, it will now also be easier to tell if text is centered or right justified by displaying "cj" or "rj"
in the first two cells when focused on the line containing the centered or right justified content.
 
Audio Ducking Support for Windows 10 version 1803 and Higher
 
The JAWS Audio Ducking feature is now supported in the Windows 10 Spring 2018 Creators update (version 1803) and higher. Audio Ducking causes the volume
of other programs to be lowered while JAWS is speaking. For example, if you are listening to music and JAWS begins talking, the volume of the music will
be slightly lowered so you can comfortably hear JAWS and then raised back to its current level when JAWS stops talking.
 
By default, audio remains at the same level as JAWS speech. To enable Audio Ducking, open the Startup Wizard from the JAWS Help menu and select the "Lower
the volume of other programs while JAWS is speaking" checkbox located on the Speech Settings page. Alternatively, Audio Ducking can be turned on through
Settings center by doing the following:
 
list of 5 items
1. Press INSERT+F2, and select Settings Center.
2. Press CTRL+SHIFT+D to load the JAWS default settings.
3. In the Search edit box, type "volume" without the quotes.
4. Press DOWN ARROW to move to "Lower the volume of other programs while JAWS is speaking" in the filtered search results in the tree view.
5. Press SPACEBAR to toggle this option.
list end
 
You can also press INSERT+SPACEBAR followed by D to quickly toggle Audio Ducking on or off. The current setting will remain in effect until you press the
layered keystroke again or restart JAWS.
 
TAB Key No Longer Echoed
 
For users who leave Typing Echo enabled, JAWS will no longer announce the TAB key by default. This means you will not constantly hear "ALT+TAB" while switching
between applications or hear "TAB" spoken each time as you move through links on web pages.
 
Note: If you prefer to have the TAB key spoken, or you would like to mute other keys such as SPACEBAR, ENTER, or ESC, open Settings Center and search for
"manage key labels". For more details, refer to this support article on using the
Manage Key Labels
 feature.
 
Skype
 
Skype now offers three options on Windows 10.
 
list of 3 items
1. You can continue using Skype Classic which is version 7 and works very well with JAWS. Note that Skype Classic is expected to be retired at some point
not yet known.
2. You can download and install the new Desktop version 8, which is now supported in JAWS. See details below.
3. You can install the Universal App from the Microsoft Store. However, this is the least accessible at this time and we recommend you install Skype 7
or 8 for the best support.
list end
 
For users moving to Skype 8, please be certain to download the version referred to as "Skype for Windows" which works well on Windows 10. Note that the
Universal App we are not recommending is referred to as "Skype for Windows 10".
 
For those using Skype version 8, we have added some additional keystrokes to help with navigation since these options are not offered in Skype. These commands
are:
 
list of 3 items
• Move to the chat entry field: CTRL+INSERT+E
• Move to the chat history list: CTRL+INSERT+Y
• Move to the conversations list: CTRL+INSERT+N
list end
 
You can also use the JAWS commands INSERT+W and INSERT+H while focused on Skype for a list of most of the keyboard commands you would want to know when
using Skype. For a full list from Microsoft, please visit the
Skype Hotkeys Web Page.
 
Tip: You can assign a keystroke such as ALT+CTRL+S to the Skype icon on the Desktop to quickly open Skype to answer an incoming call. If you are in another
application and you receive an incoming call alert, you can press your shortcut keystroke to open Skype, press INSERT+UP ARROW or INSERT+TAB to read the
caller information, and then press CTRL+SHIFT+P or use TAB to choose Answer or Decline.
 
Download JAWS 2019
 
The following briefly describes how to download, save, and install the JAWS public beta release. 
 
list of 4 items
1. Select the preferred language which will list the available download links (By default English is selected).
2. Select the appropriate download link.
3.  When the dialog box opens, choose Save and select a location where you can easily find the downloaded executable file.                     Make sure
to download the correct version (64-bit or 32-bit) for your computer,                     which we have detected is a 64-bit computer. Instructions to
verify whether you have a 64-bit or 32-bit computer can be found at the bottom of this page.
4. Run the executable and follow the talking installer.
list end
Select your preferred language:
English
list of 2 items
• 
JAWS 2019.1809.27  64-bit English  - September 2018
• 
JAWS 2019.1809.27  32-bit English  - September 2018
list end
 
Do I need to download the 64-bit or 32-bit version of software?
list of 4 items
1. Press WINDOWS Key+R to open the Run dialog box.
2. Type "c:" without the quotes and then press ENTER to display the contents of your C drive.
3.  Press the letter P until you reach the "Program Files" folder, and then press P once more.
 If you have 64-bit Windows, you have two folders: one named "Program Files" and another named "Program Files (x86)."
 If you have 32-bit Windows, you only have one folder named "Program Files."
4. Please select the appropriate 64-bit or 32-bit version to run on your system.
list end
main region end
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
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Re: JAWS keeps speaking the progress of streams

Dave Durber
 

Hello Sieghard:

No! When I return to the desktop or move to another open window, the progress messages for the audio stream are no longer spoken. This problem is a recent one.

To mute and unmute speach in JAWS 14, you press JAWS KEY+SPACE BAR, followed by the letter S.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@live.ca>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS keeps speaking the progress of streams


The layered keystroke you describe I don't think was available yet in Jaws 14, but I am not entirely certain since I used Jaws 14 a very long time ago, even have to think, in the fall of 2017 Jaws 2018 came out, so Jaws 18 was in 2016, Jaws 17 in 2015 so Jaws 14 would have been released in the fall of 2012. There would have been a keystroke to mute Jaws I think, just not sure if it was the layered keystroke or just Jaws Key+S, also, does the time elapsed still speak if you move focus away from the browser window?


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS keeps speaking the progress of streams

Hi Dave,

I have two ideas, but someone else may know others. First you can press the JAWSKey plus the letter S and cycle through what JAWS will say. The choices are all, none and highlighted. Mine has always defaulted to highlighted.
That will stop it saying the numbers as they advance.

Or you could use the layered keystroke JAWSKey then space and then S. This has the choices of speech on demand and full speech. Remember with both of these once you are done with the streaming, you will have to reset them.

Hope this helps!

Debby

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS keeps speaking the progress of streams

Hello everyone:

On my HP laptop, I am using Windows 7 and Jaws 14. When I am listening to streamed audio from any of the radio stations on the BBc web site, JAWS keeps announcing the elapsed time of any streamd audio I am listening too.
Does anyone have a suggestion as to how I can stop JAWS from doing this.

Thanks in anticipation.

Dave Durber


Re: Chrome and passwords

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Brian. This is what I found on Google about Chrome. I’m not excessively security cautious, but, even to me, this is pretty scary.

 

You might want to think twice before you let someone borrow your computer.

The most obvious risk of allowing someone else access to your desktop is that they can impersonate you, using any app where you’re already signed in. They could send prank messages using your default email client, or profess your undying love for Justin Bieber using your logged-in Twitter account.

That’s annoying, but far from fatal.

But the situation becomes considerably worse if you use Google Chrome to save and sync passwords for easy logins at your favorite websites. An intruder who has unrestricted access to your computer for even a minute can view and copy all of your saved passwords just by visiting an easy-to-remember settings page: chrome://settings/passwords.

That link opens the local copy of your saved password cache, which is synchronized to every machine where you sign in with your Google account.

And the funny thing is, anyone who visits that page can see the plaintext version of every saved password just by clicking a button.

The saved password list shows the web address, username, and password for each saved set of credentials. Initially, the saved password is displayed as a row of asterisks. But if you click the masked password, you see a “Show” button that you can click to immediately display the saved password.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 7:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Chrome and passwords

 

Sharon,

           If you've never used Chrome it is impossible that Chrome has saved passwords.

           If you wish to use Chrome, but also wish that it never, ever even offer to remember passwords, then the first time you fire it up go to the Passwords settings and flip that toggle for offering to remember passwords to off.

           The logistics of where the setting is differs, but this is true of every modern browser.  They all can remember passwords, you can force them not to do so, and if you did save some earlier and change your mind these can be deleted.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Chrome and passwords

 

Sharon,

           If you've never used Chrome it is impossible that Chrome has saved passwords.

           If you wish to use Chrome, but also wish that it never, ever even offer to remember passwords, then the first time you fire it up go to the Passwords settings and flip that toggle for offering to remember passwords to off.

           The logistics of where the setting is differs, but this is true of every modern browser.  They all can remember passwords, you can force them not to do so, and if you did save some earlier and change your mind these can be deleted.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Chrome and passwords

Sharon
 

So if I do not want Chrome to save passwords . . .

I just wonder if any have been saved on the site if I’ve never used Chrome.

Talk about confusing.

Sharon

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 9:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Chrome and passwords

 

Sharon,

           Yes.  When you bring up the Chrome Passwords page there is a section with the Saved Passwords list (by site) and a Never Saved section (also arranged by site).

           I cannot tell you any more than that, as I absolutely never allow any browser to save passwords.

Bill,

           I do not know what the underlying architecture is.  I infer, from what the settings now read, that the actual password storage itself is probably cloud-based, but there is no way I can be 100% certain of that.  These things get changed at the will of the developers, and since they're stored in encrypted form I wouldn't recognize them easily if they are stored locally.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


JAWS 2019 Beta Download Links + What's New + Beta Report Form Link

Mike B. <mike9902@...>
 

Hi All,
 
All the links are below plus what's new in this version.
 
 
 JAWS 2019 Beta Report Form:
 
 
32 Bit:
 
 
64 Bit:
 
 
What's new:
 
The following features are new to JAWS 2019. 
 
Faster JAWS Startup with Grace Period Authorization
 
JAWS 2019 introduces a new concept to help ease the delay in response when JAWS first launches and looks for authorization. In prior versions, JAWS would
not fully start until proper authorization was found. Since Authorization can include searching for a network license, the amount of time before JAWS started
speaking could be significant. While it is not possible to speed up this period directly, the authorization process will now be completed simultaneously
to startup. As JAWS searches for authorization, it enters a new "grace period" authorization state which provides limited functionality, similar to what
is available on the logon screen, so you can use speech and braille while authorization discovery takes place. Once the authorization check has finished,
JAWS then uses the correct feature set based on the license.
 
Separation of Office Scripts
 
JAWS Microsoft Office support for Word, Outlook, and Excel has been separated into different script sets which now load depending on the version of Office
currently running. This makes it much easier to make continued improvements to Office 365 support going forward without the risk of breaking JAWS functionality
in previous versions of Office for users who still rely on these older versions. If you are running Office 2016 or Office 365, and the version number includes
a build number of build 10000 or higher, the newly created Office settings for Word, Outlook, and Excel should be loaded when you run those applications.
If you are running earlier Office versions, JAWS should load the Word Classic, Outlook Classic, or Excel Classic settings.
 
To verify the version and build number of office you are using, press CTRL+INSERT+V. This command will also indicate if you are running a retail or subscription
version of Office. To verify which JAWS settings are loaded, press INSERT+Q.
 
Improved Performance in Office 365 Applications
 
With the changes made to separate the Office 365 support from the scripts for previous Office versions, we are now able to take advantage of more UIA functionality
provided by Microsoft. There is also much less decision making that needs to be done in the scripts since there are no longer other office versions to
be considered. As a result, users should notice greatly improved performance and responsiveness when using current versions of Word, Excel, and Outlook.
A few areas where users may notice increased responsiveness include:
 
list of 3 items
• Navigating large documents in Word that contain a lot of markup such as footnotes, endnotes, comments, tables, and so on.
• Editing data and formulas in Excel.
• Navigating large message folders in Outlook.
list end
 
For braille users, document spacing an formatting are now more accurately indicated on the braille display. This includes indents, outdents, and tab stops.
We have also addressed several issues with the braille cursor not always being positioned where expected, which made it difficult to sometimes edit using
braille.
 
If you are using a braille display with status cells, it will now also be easier to tell if text is centered or right justified by displaying "cj" or "rj"
in the first two cells when focused on the line containing the centered or right justified content.
 
Audio Ducking Support for Windows 10 version 1803 and Higher
 
The JAWS Audio Ducking feature is now supported in the Windows 10 Spring 2018 Creators update (version 1803) and higher. Audio Ducking causes the volume
of other programs to be lowered while JAWS is speaking. For example, if you are listening to music and JAWS begins talking, the volume of the music will
be slightly lowered so you can comfortably hear JAWS and then raised back to its current level when JAWS stops talking.
 
By default, audio remains at the same level as JAWS speech. To enable Audio Ducking, open the Startup Wizard from the JAWS Help menu and select the "Lower
the volume of other programs while JAWS is speaking" checkbox located on the Speech Settings page. Alternatively, Audio Ducking can be turned on through
Settings center by doing the following:
 
list of 5 items
1. Press INSERT+F2, and select Settings Center.
2. Press CTRL+SHIFT+D to load the JAWS default settings.
3. In the Search edit box, type "volume" without the quotes.
4. Press DOWN ARROW to move to "Lower the volume of other programs while JAWS is speaking" in the filtered search results in the tree view.
5. Press SPACEBAR to toggle this option.
list end
 
You can also press INSERT+SPACEBAR followed by D to quickly toggle Audio Ducking on or off. The current setting will remain in effect until you press the
layered keystroke again or restart JAWS.
 
TAB Key No Longer Echoed
 
For users who leave Typing Echo enabled, JAWS will no longer announce the TAB key by default. This means you will not constantly hear "ALT+TAB" while switching
between applications or hear "TAB" spoken each time as you move through links on web pages.
 
Note: If you prefer to have the TAB key spoken, or you would like to mute other keys such as SPACEBAR, ENTER, or ESC, open Settings Center and search for
"manage key labels". For more details, refer to this support article on using the
Manage Key Labels
 feature.
 
Skype
 
Skype now offers three options on Windows 10.
 
list of 3 items
1. You can continue using Skype Classic which is version 7 and works very well with JAWS. Note that Skype Classic is expected to be retired at some point
not yet known.
2. You can download and install the new Desktop version 8, which is now supported in JAWS. See details below.
3. You can install the Universal App from the Microsoft Store. However, this is the least accessible at this time and we recommend you install Skype 7
or 8 for the best support.
list end
 
For users moving to Skype 8, please be certain to download the version referred to as "Skype for Windows" which works well on Windows 10. Note that the
Universal App we are not recommending is referred to as "Skype for Windows 10".
 
For those using Skype version 8, we have added some additional keystrokes to help with navigation since these options are not offered in Skype. These commands
are:
 
list of 3 items
• Move to the chat entry field: CTRL+INSERT+E
• Move to the chat history list: CTRL+INSERT+Y
• Move to the conversations list: CTRL+INSERT+N
list end
 
You can also use the JAWS commands INSERT+W and INSERT+H while focused on Skype for a list of most of the keyboard commands you would want to know when
using Skype. For a full list from Microsoft, please visit the
Skype Hotkeys Web Page.
 
Tip: You can assign a keystroke such as ALT+CTRL+S to the Skype icon on the Desktop to quickly open Skype to answer an incoming call. If you are in another
application and you receive an incoming call alert, you can press your shortcut keystroke to open Skype, press INSERT+UP ARROW or INSERT+TAB to read the
caller information, and then press CTRL+SHIFT+P or use TAB to choose Answer or Decline.
 
Download JAWS 2019
 
The following briefly describes how to download, save, and install the JAWS public beta release. 
 
list of 4 items
1. Select the preferred language which will list the available download links (By default English is selected).
2. Select the appropriate download link.
3.  When the dialog box opens, choose Save and select a location where you can easily find the downloaded executable file.                     Make sure
to download the correct version (64-bit or 32-bit) for your computer,                     which we have detected is a 64-bit computer. Instructions to
verify whether you have a 64-bit or 32-bit computer can be found at the bottom of this page.
4. Run the executable and follow the talking installer.
list end
Select your preferred language:
English
list of 2 items
• 
JAWS 2019.1809.27  64-bit English  - September 2018
• 
JAWS 2019.1809.27  32-bit English  - September 2018
list end
 
Do I need to download the 64-bit or 32-bit version of software?
list of 4 items
1. Press WINDOWS Key+R to open the Run dialog box.
2. Type "c:" without the quotes and then press ENTER to display the contents of your C drive.
3.  Press the letter P until you reach the "Program Files" folder, and then press P once more.
 If you have 64-bit Windows, you have two folders: one named "Program Files" and another named "Program Files (x86)."
 If you have 32-bit Windows, you only have one folder named "Program Files."
4. Please select the appropriate 64-bit or 32-bit version to run on your system.
list end
main region end
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.


Re: Chrome and passwords

 

Sharon,

           Yes.  When you bring up the Chrome Passwords page there is a section with the Saved Passwords list (by site) and a Never Saved section (also arranged by site).

           I cannot tell you any more than that, as I absolutely never allow any browser to save passwords.

Bill,

           I do not know what the underlying architecture is.  I infer, from what the settings now read, that the actual password storage itself is probably cloud-based, but there is no way I can be 100% certain of that.  These things get changed at the will of the developers, and since they're stored in encrypted form I wouldn't recognize them easily if they are stored locally.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Chrome and passwords

Sharon
 

So, if I want to change my password for either gmail or scribd, this is where I should go. Right?

Sharon

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 11:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Chrome and passwords

 

That depends on exactly what you want to manage (and which version of Chrome).

Under Version 69, Chrome menu, Settings, Passwords - under the People section, which is the first Section on the Settings Page.

Passwords themselves are now managed under one's Google Account at https://passwords.google.com
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

Jerry Berrier <jerry.berrier@...>
 

Sometimes everything goes back to normal after I alt-tab away and come back.  Other times, I end up having to unload Chrome in the task manager before anything will work right.

 

 

Jerry Berrier

Director of Education Technology

Perkins School for the Blind
175 North Beacon Street
Watertown MA 02472
P: 617-972-7826
Perkins.org

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 3:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

Just curious. When this happens with Firefox and JAWS “comes back”, can you then activate links? If you alt-tab away from Firefox and then return to it, does the virtual cursor/buffer come on, or are you stuck in PC mode? Can you close firefox with alt-f4?

 

I haven’t detected any pattern about what sites cause this hang to happen; it seems to involve pages with many links, though, possibly. Anyway, if you are experiencing the same thing, it’s some kind of jAWS bug.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerry Berrier via Groups.Io
Sent: September 17, 2018 10:26 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

I’m wondering if anybody else is having this problem.

I’m running Firefox version 62, latest version of JFW, and Windows 10.

I’ll be arrowing down through a web page, and all of a sudden JAWS just stops reading. Sometimes it comes back after a few seconds, but not always.

I especially notice it when reading the Boston Globe in NFB Newsline on the web.

 

Also when I’m using Google Docs, I’m noticing an irritating lag when I hit up or down arrow in a document.

 

Any thoughts on how to remedy this?

 

 

Jerry Berrier

Director of Education Technology

Perkins School for the Blind
175 North Beacon Street
Watertown MA 02472
P: 617-972-7826
Perkins.org

 


 


Re: Chrome and passwords

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

My question, then, is this: Are the passwords you enter for webpages like BARD, etc saved as you said in an earlier post, in

 

https://passwords.google.com

 

or are they saved on the local computer as other browsers have done in the past? I thought only passwords associated with Google would be saved at

 

https://passwords.google.com

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 8:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Chrome and passwords

 

Exactly where I mentioned.  After you've brought up Chrome Menu, Settings, Password -  the dialog that appears has the "Offer to save passwords" toggle as the first item.
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Chrome and passwords

 

Exactly where I mentioned.  After you've brought up Chrome Menu, Settings, Password -  the dialog that appears has the "Offer to save passwords" toggle as the first item.
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Chrome and passwords

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

What I’m referring to is managing whether or not Chrome remembers passwords, and how to get Chrome to save a password after logging onto a website.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 8:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Chrome and passwords

 

That depends on exactly what you want to manage (and which version of Chrome).

Under Version 69, Chrome menu, Settings, Passwords - under the People section, which is the first Section on the Settings Page.

Passwords themselves are now managed under one's Google Account at https://passwords.google.com
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Chrome and passwords

 

That depends on exactly what you want to manage (and which version of Chrome).

Under Version 69, Chrome menu, Settings, Passwords - under the People section, which is the first Section on the Settings Page.

Passwords themselves are now managed under one's Google Account at https://passwords.google.com
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Chrome and passwords

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

What is the best way to get to the “Manage Passwords settings in Google Chrome?

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


Moving Emails to Folders in Outlook 2016

Brian Prewitt
 

Good afternoon,

My company recently upgraded to Office 2016, and I have a coworker who is having trouble moving emails to folders. He used to go to the Home tab then to the Move section. He would hit spacebar and be able to choose from several folders. Now, he gets to the move item and Jaws says there’s a grid and he can’t go to the grid by tabbing or using the arrow keys. He is on Windows 7 and the latest build of jaws 2018. He used to be able to do this function in Outlook 2010.

Thanks for your help,

Brian Prewitt
Information Systemsupgrsed Manager
Mississippi Industries for the Blind
2501 North West Street
Jackson, MS 39216
Office: 601.984.3213


Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hi Bill.

 

Really? That’s weird. Because I haven’t been able to reproduce the problem with NVDA at all, whereas it happens with JAWS multiple times a day.

I say this while jAWS is still my primary screen-reader – after all, I did just buy the 2018 upgrade – however I switch to NVDA periodically and try to duplicate the same browsing habits. No hangs yet.

 

I just asked my sighted girlfriend, whom I thought was using Firefox on her laptop, but it turns out she’s on chrome. Still though, I’ll guess that non-screen-reader users are not having this problem.

 

I’ll see if I can duplicate with NVDA again, or Narrator even, though I don’t really use the latter at all. Seems like there are some crossed wires here as the other fellow who was communicating with VFO, I think, already had determined that it was a JAWS issue. But well, it’s obviously connected with both, somehow, and there might indeed be something VFO has to do to fix Firefox support in the next update, regardless of whether the bug originated with Mozilla.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: September 17, 2018 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

Hi, JM. I was just on the phone with VFO, and we even reproduced the issue on my machine with JAWS unloaded, using Narrator. So, either it is a Firefox/Windows problem, or it is a Firefox problem which affects computers running any screen reader, even Narrator. I wish I could have had someone sighted here to find out if Firefox is still freezing when a screen reader isn’t present at all.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 12:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

I’ve been talking with someone else on these lists about this issue and we have sent in reports to FS. It is a JAWS bug that Freedom Scientific techs have now susccessfully replicated. Assuming it’s the same experience, at least. JAWS lags for a few seconds, then appears to work, but no Firefox menus or links will function, and you have to close the program with task manager.

 

Maybe fixed by jAWS October 2018 update? That’d be nice. Kind of annoying to have a Process Explorer window running all the time ready to restart Firefox.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: September 17, 2018 2:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

Hi, Cristóbal. I’m having this same lagging and freezing in Firefox. Here is my processor and RAM info.

 

Processor

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz   4.00 GHz

Installed RAM

16.0 GB (15.9 GB usable)

 

Here is my JAWS and Windows info:

 

About JAWS

JAWS Job Access With Speech

Home Use Edition

Version 2018.1808.10 ILM 

 

About Windows

Microsoft Windows

Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.285)

 

My Firefox version:

 

Firefox Version 62.0

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 10:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

Getting similar issues. Also frequently in Outlook 2016.

So much to the point where it drove me off of my tower and I’m working mainly off of my laptop.

Probably with more time, I’ll try to play around with the two to see if there are any extra processes, etc, but I’m genrealy good about that sort of thing.

Anyway, The laggy, crashing and over all crappy Jaws performance I’ve been experiencing on my Dell tower for the past couple of weeks I so far haven’t experienced on my HP Envy laptop.

Both PCs have I core 7 processors, but the tower has 8 GB or ram. Where as the laptop’s got 16. The issues on the tower have become so significant and sudden that I can’t think that it suddenly has to do with the ram.

Running Windows 10, latest JFW 2018, current Firefox/Chrome etc on both machines. So who knows…

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

I’m noticing it, too, and one site, radio.com, crashes firefox, and I have to kill it with Task Manager.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry Berrier via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:26 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

I’m wondering if anybody else is having this problem.

I’m running Firefox version 62, latest version of JFW, and Windows 10.

I’ll be arrowing down through a web page, and all of a sudden JAWS just stops reading. Sometimes it comes back after a few seconds, but not always.

I especially notice it when reading the Boston Globe in NFB Newsline on the web.

 

Also when I’m using Google Docs, I’m noticing an irritating lag when I hit up or down arrow in a document.

 

Any thoughts on how to remedy this?

 

 

Jerry Berrier

Director of Education Technology

Perkins School for the Blind
175 North Beacon Street
Watertown MA 02472
P: 617-972-7826
Perkins.org

 


 


Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

Cristóbal
 

This is helpful to know. Unfortunately, I’ve got problems with Outlook. I’m a heavy Outlook user usually with three instances open at one time and in separate virtual desktops.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 12:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

Hi, JM. I was just on the phone with VFO, and we even reproduced the issue on my machine with JAWS unloaded, using Narrator. So, either it is a Firefox/Windows problem, or it is a Firefox problem which affects computers running any screen reader, even Narrator. I wish I could have had someone sighted here to find out if Firefox is still freezing when a screen reader isn’t present at all.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 12:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

I’ve been talking with someone else on these lists about this issue and we have sent in reports to FS. It is a JAWS bug that Freedom Scientific techs have now susccessfully replicated. Assuming it’s the same experience, at least. JAWS lags for a few seconds, then appears to work, but no Firefox menus or links will function, and you have to close the program with task manager.

 

Maybe fixed by jAWS October 2018 update? That’d be nice. Kind of annoying to have a Process Explorer window running all the time ready to restart Firefox.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: September 17, 2018 2:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

Hi, Cristóbal. I’m having this same lagging and freezing in Firefox. Here is my processor and RAM info.

 

Processor

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz   4.00 GHz

Installed RAM

16.0 GB (15.9 GB usable)

 

Here is my JAWS and Windows info:

 

About JAWS

JAWS Job Access With Speech

Home Use Edition

Version 2018.1808.10 ILM 

 

About Windows

Microsoft Windows

Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.285)

 

My Firefox version:

 

Firefox Version 62.0

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 10:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

Getting similar issues. Also frequently in Outlook 2016.

So much to the point where it drove me off of my tower and I’m working mainly off of my laptop.

Probably with more time, I’ll try to play around with the two to see if there are any extra processes, etc, but I’m genrealy good about that sort of thing.

Anyway, The laggy, crashing and over all crappy Jaws performance I’ve been experiencing on my Dell tower for the past couple of weeks I so far haven’t experienced on my HP Envy laptop.

Both PCs have I core 7 processors, but the tower has 8 GB or ram. Where as the laptop’s got 16. The issues on the tower have become so significant and sudden that I can’t think that it suddenly has to do with the ram.

Running Windows 10, latest JFW 2018, current Firefox/Chrome etc on both machines. So who knows…

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

I’m noticing it, too, and one site, radio.com, crashes firefox, and I have to kill it with Task Manager.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry Berrier via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:26 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

I’m wondering if anybody else is having this problem.

I’m running Firefox version 62, latest version of JFW, and Windows 10.

I’ll be arrowing down through a web page, and all of a sudden JAWS just stops reading. Sometimes it comes back after a few seconds, but not always.

I especially notice it when reading the Boston Globe in NFB Newsline on the web.

 

Also when I’m using Google Docs, I’m noticing an irritating lag when I hit up or down arrow in a document.

 

Any thoughts on how to remedy this?

 

 

Jerry Berrier

Director of Education Technology

Perkins School for the Blind
175 North Beacon Street
Watertown MA 02472
P: 617-972-7826
Perkins.org

 


 


Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, JM. I was just on the phone with VFO, and we even reproduced the issue on my machine with JAWS unloaded, using Narrator. So, either it is a Firefox/Windows problem, or it is a Firefox problem which affects computers running any screen reader, even Narrator. I wish I could have had someone sighted here to find out if Firefox is still freezing when a screen reader isn’t present at all.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 12:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

I’ve been talking with someone else on these lists about this issue and we have sent in reports to FS. It is a JAWS bug that Freedom Scientific techs have now susccessfully replicated. Assuming it’s the same experience, at least. JAWS lags for a few seconds, then appears to work, but no Firefox menus or links will function, and you have to close the program with task manager.

 

Maybe fixed by jAWS October 2018 update? That’d be nice. Kind of annoying to have a Process Explorer window running all the time ready to restart Firefox.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: September 17, 2018 2:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

Hi, Cristóbal. I’m having this same lagging and freezing in Firefox. Here is my processor and RAM info.

 

Processor

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz   4.00 GHz

Installed RAM

16.0 GB (15.9 GB usable)

 

Here is my JAWS and Windows info:

 

About JAWS

JAWS Job Access With Speech

Home Use Edition

Version 2018.1808.10 ILM 

 

About Windows

Microsoft Windows

Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.285)

 

My Firefox version:

 

Firefox Version 62.0

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 10:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

Getting similar issues. Also frequently in Outlook 2016.

So much to the point where it drove me off of my tower and I’m working mainly off of my laptop.

Probably with more time, I’ll try to play around with the two to see if there are any extra processes, etc, but I’m genrealy good about that sort of thing.

Anyway, The laggy, crashing and over all crappy Jaws performance I’ve been experiencing on my Dell tower for the past couple of weeks I so far haven’t experienced on my HP Envy laptop.

Both PCs have I core 7 processors, but the tower has 8 GB or ram. Where as the laptop’s got 16. The issues on the tower have become so significant and sudden that I can’t think that it suddenly has to do with the ram.

Running Windows 10, latest JFW 2018, current Firefox/Chrome etc on both machines. So who knows…

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

I’m noticing it, too, and one site, radio.com, crashes firefox, and I have to kill it with Task Manager.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry Berrier via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:26 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

I’m wondering if anybody else is having this problem.

I’m running Firefox version 62, latest version of JFW, and Windows 10.

I’ll be arrowing down through a web page, and all of a sudden JAWS just stops reading. Sometimes it comes back after a few seconds, but not always.

I especially notice it when reading the Boston Globe in NFB Newsline on the web.

 

Also when I’m using Google Docs, I’m noticing an irritating lag when I hit up or down arrow in a document.

 

Any thoughts on how to remedy this?

 

 

Jerry Berrier

Director of Education Technology

Perkins School for the Blind
175 North Beacon Street
Watertown MA 02472
P: 617-972-7826
Perkins.org

 


 


Re: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Just curious. When this happens with Firefox and JAWS “comes back”, can you then activate links? If you alt-tab away from Firefox and then return to it, does the virtual cursor/buffer come on, or are you stuck in PC mode? Can you close firefox with alt-f4?

 

I haven’t detected any pattern about what sites cause this hang to happen; it seems to involve pages with many links, though, possibly. Anyway, if you are experiencing the same thing, it’s some kind of jAWS bug.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerry Berrier via Groups.Io
Sent: September 17, 2018 10:26 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Firefox Lagging and Freezing

 

I’m wondering if anybody else is having this problem.

I’m running Firefox version 62, latest version of JFW, and Windows 10.

I’ll be arrowing down through a web page, and all of a sudden JAWS just stops reading. Sometimes it comes back after a few seconds, but not always.

I especially notice it when reading the Boston Globe in NFB Newsline on the web.

 

Also when I’m using Google Docs, I’m noticing an irritating lag when I hit up or down arrow in a document.

 

Any thoughts on how to remedy this?

 

 

Jerry Berrier

Director of Education Technology

Perkins School for the Blind
175 North Beacon Street
Watertown MA 02472
P: 617-972-7826
Perkins.org