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Re: where can i get firefox 52?

Mario
 

Bill, I think you gave the link for the 32 bit version which has a file
size of about 44K. I just downloaded it and compared it with the file
sizes of the links you provided before.

the correct link for the English 64 bit version:

https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/52.0esr/win64/en-US/Firefox%20Setup%2052.0esr.exe

-------- Original Message --------
From: dennis [mailto:dennisc67@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, Sep 7, 2018 7:41 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: where can i get firefox 52?

thanks bill. what is the fastest way to stop that.


On 9/7/2018 6:36 PM, Bill White wrote:

Hi, Dennis. Below is a link where you can get Firefox English, US, 32-bit

Firefox Setup 52.0esr.exe
<https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/52.0esr/win32/en-US/Firefox%20Setup%2052.0esr.exe>

Here is a link where you can get Firefox English, US, 64-bit

Firefox Setup 52.0esr.exe
<https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/52.0esr/win64/en-US/Firefox%20Setup%2052.0esr.exe>

Be careful, though, Dennis. If you don’t change the options so that
Firefox doesn’t automatically update, it will update to Version 60
within a few minutes of installing.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com <mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>

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*Sent:* Friday, September 7, 2018 4:30 PM
*To:* jfw@groups.io
*Subject:* where can i get firefox 52?

hi list. subject says it all. thanks for any help.

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Re: where can i get firefox 52?

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi again, Dennis. You need to press ALT plus T, followed by O, as soon as Firefox comes up. You will be in General Options. TAB a number of times until you come to Updates. You want to arrow down to Never Check for updates, even though it says this is not recommended. Then you need to uncheck the box after that which says to use a background service to update Firefox. Then Close Firefox, go to Control Panel, Programs and Features, uninstall the Mozilla Maintenance service. This will pretty much assure that Firefox will not update. If you want to make sure, though, go to your main drive, open up one of two folders. If you’re installing the 32-bit version of Firefox you want to open up Program Files (X86), then Mozilla. Remove the following two files.

 

updater.exe

 

and

 

updater.ini

 

If installing the 64-bit version, these files will be in C:\program Files. Removing them will assure that Firefox cannot update.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of dennis
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 4:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: where can i get firefox 52?

 

thanks bill. what is the fastest way to stop that.

 

On 9/7/2018 6:36 PM, Bill White wrote:

Hi, Dennis. Below is a link where you can get Firefox English, US, 32-bit

 

Firefox Setup 52.0esr.exe

 

Here is a link where you can get Firefox English, US, 64-bit

 

Firefox Setup 52.0esr.exe

 

Be careful, though, Dennis. If you don’t change the options so that Firefox doesn’t automatically update, it will update to Version 60 within a few minutes of installing.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of dennis
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 4:30 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: where can i get firefox 52?

 

hi list. subject says it all. thanks for any help.

 

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Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

Mario
 

well, I think FS had to make a decision as to which version to continue
making compatibility improvements, and decided not to update JAWS 18. I
think version 2018 has the supportive mechanisms to improve
compatibility with FFQ's and GC's ability to be browsers that J18
doesn't have.

NVDA is a screen reader like JAWS but NVDA simply works in a different
way, and is able to be compatible with FFQ or GC.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Marty Hutchings [mailto:mhutchings@wi.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, Sep 7, 2018 7:38 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

What is really silly is the fact that NVDA has this figured out whereas
a behemath like Freedom Scientific can’t do it.  Or is there some kind
of politics involved where FS just won’t do it.
Love in Christ
Marty
*From:* JM Casey <mailto:crystallogic@ca.inter.net>
*Sent:* Friday, September 07, 2018 6:02 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

Yes, it’s silly.

The way I see it though you have two options if you want to continue
using Firefox.

Upgrade JAWS, or use another screen-reader.

NVDA works extremely well, you will just have to get used to it.

You could also try Chrome. It still works with JAWS 18, at least, as far
as I know., and it is fast and snappy.

So yes, there are always options.

This stuff with Firefox did not come out of the blue. We had over a year
to prepare for Quantum if we were on the ESR branch.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Marty
Hutchings
*Sent:* September 7, 2018 5:19 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

i thank you all for your suggestions, but this is silly.  I’m not paying
another $1,000 for a JFW version just to get Firefox to work.  There has
to be another browser that works with the version that I have.  Could
someone please send me the executable for a browser that I can install.
Don’t send a link, as I do not have internet.

Love in Christ
Marty

*From:*JM Casey <mailto:crystallogic@ca.inter.net>

*Sent:*Friday, September 07, 2018 1:51 PM

*To:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

I know.

So the only reasonable choice really seems to be, stop using firefox, or
use NVDA.

Or pay for another JAWS upgrade of course. Which I actually just did.
Can’t say it was just for the sake of Firefox (there are other browsers
after all) but it definitely helped give me a little push.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Bill White
*Sent:* September 7, 2018 2:27 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

If you are using the ESR version of Firefox, and you don’t turn off the
updates, it will eventually update to version 60 ESR, and that one won’t
work unless you have JAWS 2018.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com <mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *JM Casey
*Sent:* Friday, September 7, 2018 10:20 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

But, if you do that, I don’t think you’ll receive security and
maintenance updates either. Given all the vulnerabilities in browsers
that are getting reported these days (saw one about firefox just this
morning), I don’t know that that’s a good idea. I personally had mine
set to ask me to update, but I never deferred the updates for too long
for this reason.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Don Mauck
*Sent:* September 7, 2018 1:08 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

You can go in to the options and turn off automatically update.

*From:*JM Casey <crystallogic@ca.inter.net
<mailto:crystallogic@ca.inter.net>>
*Sent:* September 7, 2018 10:40 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

Hey Bill.

Thanks for providing those links, but, unless I’m wrong, once installed,
those Firefox 52 versions will try to update to 60, which is the version
the ESR branch is currently on. This was what we were warned about last
year; we could continue to use ESR until September of 2018, at which
point it would also be switched to Quantum. This has  now happened to me.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Bill White
*Sent:* September 7, 2018 3:50 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

Hi, Marty. In order for you to use JAWS with Firefox 60 and up, you need
the latest version of JAWS, which is JAWS 2018. JAWS 16, 17, and 18 are
incompatible with Firefox 60 and up. These versions of Firefox are
called Quantum. They contain a version of Sandbox which causes Firefox
not to be able to react with JAWS versions earlier than 2018. They had
to do some intensive reworking of JAWS to get it to function properly
with the newer versions of Firefox. In order for you to use Firefox with
JAWS 18, you would need to install an earlier version of Firefox ESR. I
will provide a couple of links to the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of
Firefox ESR in case you wish to downgrade your version of Firefox.

Firefox ESR 52, English US 32-bit:

Firefox Setup 52.0esr.exe
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ftp.mozilla.org_pub_firefox_releases_52.0esr_win32_en-2DUS_Firefox-2520Setup-252052.0esr.exe&d=DwMFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=EQ0xAgqxGediPFS2iJyMwtaJACO0PE04qO0-xFG1duE&m=EJaPqdOK5LJya84reCWjO40Yr2zbX9J8pNAslvSHNJE&s=3l9eXWpHDXDEYOvNGYDl3bUOBmu5Ztw8v98ShLnR90Q&e=>

Firefox ESR 52, English US 64-bit:

Firefox Setup 52.0esr.exe
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ftp.mozilla.org_pub_firefox_releases_52.0esr_win64_en-2DUS_Firefox-2520Setup-252052.0esr.exe&d=DwMFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=EQ0xAgqxGediPFS2iJyMwtaJACO0PE04qO0-xFG1duE&m=EJaPqdOK5LJya84reCWjO40Yr2zbX9J8pNAslvSHNJE&s=dIGhvSxjtqsnTzX5Z0B9H-9OstqMgNtlMYwzKp5ETaA&e=>

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com <mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Marty Hutchings
*Sent:* Thursday, September 6, 2018 5:54 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

HI,  I am new to this group and am having a similar issue with JAWS and
Firefox.  When I open Firefox, I get a message saying that Tabs are
incompatible with my adaptive software or my version of Firefox.  I have
installed JFW 18 and Firefox 62.  There is no problem using NVDA and
Firefox.  What is going on here?  Is it a Windows problem?  I am still
running Windows 7.

Love in Christ
Marty Hutchings

*From:*Bill White <mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>

*Sent:*Thursday, September 06, 2018 5:42 PM

*To:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

Hi. Another thing I have found is that, if you uninstall Firefox, old
profiles are left behind. So, I had to go into

Users\”Username”\AppData\Local\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles

and delete all the old profiles which were left behind.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com <mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Juan Hernandez
*Sent:* Thursday, September 6, 2018 12:50 PM
*To:* jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>
*Subject:* firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

HI All,

I was wondering if you have noticed with firefox 61, and now 62 that jfw
locks up or I guess firefox locks up all of the time, it happens
randomly, but it happens so much that I made chrome my default web browser.

Has anyone experienced this?

Best,

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Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

ratshtron
 

Marty, try this link that I received from John Pierson a day or so ago:

https://www.sendspace.com/file/nnefha



Legend has it that on Friday 9/7/2018 04:18 PM, Marty Hutchings said:
----------------------------------------

i thank you all for your suggestions, but this
is silly. I’m not paying another $1,000 for a
JFW version just to get Firefox to work. There
has to be another browser that works with the
version that I have. Could someone please send
me the executable for a browser that I can
install. Don’t send a link, as I do not have internet.

Love in Christ
Marty

From: <mailto:crystallogic@ca.inter.net>JM Casey
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 1:51 PM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

I know.

So the only reasonable choice really seems to
be, stop using firefox, or use NVDA.

Or pay for another JAWS upgrade of course. Which
I actually just did. Can’t say it was just for
the sake of Firefox (there are other browsers
after all) but it definitely helped give me a little push.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: September 7, 2018 2:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

If you are using the ESR version of Firefox, and
you don’t turn off the updates, it will
eventually update to version 60 ESR, and that
one won’t work unless you have JAWS 2018.

Bill White

<mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

From:
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 10:20 AM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

But, if you do that, I don’t think you’ll
receive security and maintenance updates either.
Given all the vulnerabilities in browsers that
are getting reported these days (saw one about
firefox just this morning), I don’t know that
that’s a good idea. I personally had mine set
to ask me to update, but I never deferred the
updates for too long for this reason.



From:
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
<<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: September 7, 2018 1:08 PM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

You can go in to the options and turn off automatically update.

From: JM Casey <<mailto:crystallogic@ca.inter.net>crystallogic@ca.inter.net>
Sent: September 7, 2018 10:40 AM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

Hey Bill.

Thanks for providing those links, but, unless
I’m wrong, once installed, those Firefox 52
versions will try to update to 60, which is the
version the ESR branch is currently on. This was
what we were warned about last year; we could
continue to use ESR until September of 2018, at
which point it would also be switched to Quantum. This has now happened to me.



From:
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
<<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: September 7, 2018 3:50 AM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

Hi, Marty. In order for you to use JAWS with
Firefox 60 and up, you need the latest version
of JAWS, which is JAWS 2018. JAWS 16, 17, and 18
are incompatible with Firefox 60 and up. These
versions of Firefox are called Quantum. They
contain a version of Sandbox which causes
Firefox not to be able to react with JAWS
versions earlier than 2018. They had to do some
intensive reworking of JAWS to get it to
function properly with the newer versions of
Firefox. In order for you to use Firefox with
JAWS 18, you would need to install an earlier
version of Firefox ESR. I will provide a couple
of links to the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of
Firefox ESR in case you wish to downgrade your version of Firefox.

Firefox ESR 52, English US 32-bit:

<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ftp.mozilla.org_pub_firefox_releases_52.0esr_win32_en-2DUS_Firefox-2520Setup-252052.0esr.exe&d=DwMFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=EQ0xAgqxGediPFS2iJyMwtaJACO0PE04qO0-xFG1duE&m=EJaPqdOK5LJya84reCWjO40Yr2zbX9J8pNAslvSHNJE&s=3l9eXWpHDXDEYOvNGYDl3bUOBmu5Ztw8v98ShLnR90Q&e=>Firefox
Setup 52.0esr.exe

Firefox ESR 52, English US 64-bit:

<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ftp.mozilla.org_pub_firefox_releases_52.0esr_win64_en-2DUS_Firefox-2520Setup-252052.0esr.exe&d=DwMFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=EQ0xAgqxGediPFS2iJyMwtaJACO0PE04qO0-xFG1duE&m=EJaPqdOK5LJya84reCWjO40Yr2zbX9J8pNAslvSHNJE&s=dIGhvSxjtqsnTzX5Z0B9H-9OstqMgNtlMYwzKp5ETaA&e=>Firefox
Setup 52.0esr.exe

Bill White

<mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

From:
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2018 5:54 PM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808


HI, I am new to this
group and am having a similar issue with JAWS
and Firefox. When I open Firefox, I get a
message saying that Tabs are incompatible with
my adaptive software or my version of
Firefox. I have installed JFW 18 and Firefox
62. There is no problem using NVDA and
Firefox. What is going on here? Is it a
Windows problem? I am still running Windows 7.
Love in Christ
Marty Hutchings

From: <mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>Bill White
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 5:42 PM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

Hi. Another thing I have found is that, if you
uninstall Firefox, old profiles are left behind. So, I had to go into

Users\â€


Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

FS has done it. Just for JAWS 2018 though.

 

It would have been nice if they had given that functionality to JAWS 18 users, at least, but I guess that isn’t their business policy. JAWS 18 stopped being updated sometime late last year and they decided not to include functionality for Firefox. So yes, they are basically forcing you to upgrade if you want to continue using FF in combination with JAWS.

 

NVDA had some hitches at first but when I tried it with Firefox 57, the first “quantum” release, I thought it worked rather well, and apparently it’s only gotten better since. I have Firefox 60 on my system now but haven’t tested it for much. Because I’m still kind of stuck on JAWS, you see. *grins*

 

I’m surprised, I didn’t realise there were so many people here using JAWS versions other than 2018. Thought I was one of the few. I just caved and bought an upgrade. Luckily I was still able to use the plan from my old work.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: September 7, 2018 7:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

What is really silly is the fact that NVDA has this figured out whereas a behemath like Freedom Scientific can’t do it.  Or is there some kind of politics involved where FS just won’t do it.

 

Love in Christ
Marty

 

From: JM Casey

Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 6:02 PM

Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

Yes, it’s silly.

 

The way I see it though you have two options if you want to continue using Firefox.

Upgrade JAWS, or use another screen-reader.

NVDA works extremely well, you will just have to get used to it.

 

You could also try Chrome. It still works with JAWS 18, at least, as far as I know., and it is fast and snappy.

 

So yes, there are always options.

This stuff with Firefox did not come out of the blue. We had over a year to prepare for Quantum if we were on the ESR branch.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: September 7, 2018 5:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

i thank you all for your suggestions, but this is silly.  I’m not paying another $1,000 for a JFW version just to get Firefox to work.  There has to be another browser that works with the version that I have.  Could someone please send me the executable for a browser that I can install.  Don’t send a link, as I do not have internet.

 

Love in Christ
Marty

 

From: JM Casey

Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 1:51 PM

Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

I know.

 

So the only reasonable choice really seems to be, stop using firefox, or use NVDA.

 

Or pay for another JAWS upgrade of course. Which I actually just did. Can’t say it was just for the sake of Firefox (there are other browsers after all) but it definitely helped give me a little push.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: September 7, 2018 2:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

If you are using the ESR version of Firefox, and you don’t turn off the updates, it will eventually update to version 60 ESR, and that one won’t work unless you have JAWS 2018.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 10:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

But, if you do that, I don’t think you’ll receive security and maintenance updates either. Given all the vulnerabilities in browsers that are getting reported these days (saw one about firefox just this morning), I don’t know that that’s a good idea. I personally had mine set to ask me to update, but I never deferred the updates for too long for this reason.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: September 7, 2018 1:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

You can go in to the options and turn off automatically update.

 

From: JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
Sent: September 7, 2018 10:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

Hey Bill.

 

Thanks for providing those links, but, unless I’m wrong, once installed, those Firefox 52 versions will try to update to 60, which is the version the ESR branch is currently on. This was what we were warned about last year; we could continue to use ESR until September of 2018, at which point it would also be switched to Quantum. This has  now happened to me.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: September 7, 2018 3:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

Hi, Marty. In order for you to use JAWS with Firefox 60 and up, you need the latest version of JAWS, which is JAWS 2018. JAWS 16, 17, and 18 are incompatible with Firefox 60 and up. These versions of Firefox are called Quantum. They contain a version of Sandbox which causes Firefox not to be able to react with JAWS versions earlier than 2018. They had to do some intensive reworking of JAWS to get it to function properly with the newer versions of Firefox. In order for you to use Firefox with JAWS 18, you would need to install an earlier version of Firefox ESR. I will provide a couple of links to the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Firefox ESR in case you wish to downgrade your version of Firefox.

 

Firefox ESR 52, English US 32-bit:

 

Firefox Setup 52.0esr.exe

 

Firefox ESR 52, English US 64-bit:

 

Firefox Setup 52.0esr.exe

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2018 5:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

                   

                        HI,  I am new to this group and am having a similar issue with JAWS and Firefox.  When I open Firefox, I get a message saying that Tabs are incompatible with my adaptive software or my version of Firefox.  I have installed JFW 18 and Firefox 62.  There is no problem using NVDA and Firefox.  What is going on here?  Is it a Windows problem?  I am still running Windows 7.

Love in Christ
Marty Hutchings

 

From: Bill White

Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 5:42 PM

Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

Hi. Another thing I have found is that, if you uninstall Firefox, old profiles are left behind. So, I had to go into

 

Users\”Username”\AppData\Local\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles

 

and delete all the old profiles which were left behind.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Juan Hernandez
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2018 12:50 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

HI All,

 

I was wondering if you have noticed with firefox 61, and now 62 that jfw locks up or I guess firefox locks up all of the time, it happens randomly, but it happens so much that I made chrome my default web browser.

 

Has anyone experienced this?

 

Best,

 

Juan Hernandez

Juanhernandez98@...

619-750-9431 (M)         |  858-777-3311 (F)

My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn

 


Re: where can i get firefox 52?

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

I’m sure you can find it on the internet, but I would ask, do you really want to?

 

Support for Firefox 52 has ended. This means you won’t even receive security updates. You’d be better off using Internet Explorer 11, now; at least any holes will keep being plugged until 2020.

 

I love Firefox and am also using JAWS 18 myself, so I’m just as chagrined as everyone else, but at least there’s NVDA. Mozilla never had any intention of continuing to support V. 52 indefinitely. The ESR branch just meant you would be held off from Quantum for a year and some change. Now that’s happened, and it’s Quantum or no Firefox, unless you want to leave things at risk on your system.

 

The other thing is that even without automatic updates turned on, Firefox will keep asking you to update. That automatic update option is turned on by default, so literally as soon as you download the Firefox 52 version you want to use on your system, it will try to update to version 60.

 

Version 60 is the new ESR by the way. They’re at version 62 on the main branch now, I believe.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of dennis
Sent: September 7, 2018 7:30 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: where can i get firefox 52?

 

hi list. subject says it all. thanks for any help.

 

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Re: where can i get firefox 52?

dennis
 

thanks bill. what is the fastest way to stop that.


On 9/7/2018 6:36 PM, Bill White wrote:

Hi, Dennis. Below is a link where you can get Firefox English, US, 32-bit

 

Firefox Setup 52.0esr.exe

 

Here is a link where you can get Firefox English, US, 64-bit

 

Firefox Setup 52.0esr.exe

 

Be careful, though, Dennis. If you don’t change the options so that Firefox doesn’t automatically update, it will update to Version 60 within a few minutes of installing.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of dennis
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 4:30 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: where can i get firefox 52?

 

hi list. subject says it all. thanks for any help.

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com



Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

Marty Hutchings
 

What is really silly is the fact that NVDA has this figured out whereas a behemath like Freedom Scientific can’t do it.  Or is there some kind of politics involved where FS just won’t do it.
 
Love in Christ
Marty
 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808
 

Yes, it’s silly.

 

The way I see it though you have two options if you want to continue using Firefox.

Upgrade JAWS, or use another screen-reader.

NVDA works extremely well, you will just have to get used to it.

 

You could also try Chrome. It still works with JAWS 18, at least, as far as I know., and it is fast and snappy.

 

So yes, there are always options.

This stuff with Firefox did not come out of the blue. We had over a year to prepare for Quantum if we were on the ESR branch.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: September 7, 2018 5:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

i thank you all for your suggestions, but this is silly.  I’m not paying another $1,000 for a JFW version just to get Firefox to work.  There has to be another browser that works with the version that I have.  Could someone please send me the executable for a browser that I can install.  Don’t send a link, as I do not have internet.

 

Love in Christ
Marty

 

From: JM Casey

Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 1:51 PM

Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

I know.

 

So the only reasonable choice really seems to be, stop using firefox, or use NVDA.

 

Or pay for another JAWS upgrade of course. Which I actually just did. Can’t say it was just for the sake of Firefox (there are other browsers after all) but it definitely helped give me a little push.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: September 7, 2018 2:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

If you are using the ESR version of Firefox, and you don’t turn off the updates, it will eventually update to version 60 ESR, and that one won’t work unless you have JAWS 2018.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 10:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

But, if you do that, I don’t think you’ll receive security and maintenance updates either. Given all the vulnerabilities in browsers that are getting reported these days (saw one about firefox just this morning), I don’t know that that’s a good idea. I personally had mine set to ask me to update, but I never deferred the updates for too long for this reason.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: September 7, 2018 1:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

You can go in to the options and turn off automatically update.

 

From: JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
Sent: September 7, 2018 10:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

Hey Bill.

 

Thanks for providing those links, but, unless I’m wrong, once installed, those Firefox 52 versions will try to update to 60, which is the version the ESR branch is currently on. This was what we were warned about last year; we could continue to use ESR until September of 2018, at which point it would also be switched to Quantum. This has  now happened to me.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: September 7, 2018 3:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

Hi, Marty. In order for you to use JAWS with Firefox 60 and up, you need the latest version of JAWS, which is JAWS 2018. JAWS 16, 17, and 18 are incompatible with Firefox 60 and up. These versions of Firefox are called Quantum. They contain a version of Sandbox which causes Firefox not to be able to react with JAWS versions earlier than 2018. They had to do some intensive reworking of JAWS to get it to function properly with the newer versions of Firefox. In order for you to use Firefox with JAWS 18, you would need to install an earlier version of Firefox ESR. I will provide a couple of links to the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Firefox ESR in case you wish to downgrade your version of Firefox.

 

Firefox ESR 52, English US 32-bit:

 

Firefox Setup 52.0esr.exe

 

Firefox ESR 52, English US 64-bit:

 

Firefox Setup 52.0esr.exe

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2018 5:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

                   

                        HI,  I am new to this group and am having a similar issue with JAWS and Firefox.  When I open Firefox, I get a message saying that Tabs are incompatible with my adaptive software or my version of Firefox.  I have installed JFW 18 and Firefox 62.  There is no problem using NVDA and Firefox.  What is going on here?  Is it a Windows problem?  I am still running Windows 7.

Love in Christ
Marty Hutchings

 

From: Bill White

Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 5:42 PM

Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

Hi. Another thing I have found is that, if you uninstall Firefox, old profiles are left behind. So, I had to go into

 

Users\”Username”\AppData\Local\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles

 

and delete all the old profiles which were left behind.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Juan Hernandez
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2018 12:50 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

HI All,

 

I was wondering if you have noticed with firefox 61, and now 62 that jfw locks up or I guess firefox locks up all of the time, it happens randomly, but it happens so much that I made chrome my default web browser.

 

Has anyone experienced this?

 

Best,

 

Juan Hernandez

Juanhernandez98@...

619-750-9431 (M)         |  858-777-3311 (F)

My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn

 


Re: where can i get firefox 52?

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Dennis. Below is a link where you can get Firefox English, US, 32-bit

 

Firefox Setup 52.0esr.exe

 

Here is a link where you can get Firefox English, US, 64-bit

 

Firefox Setup 52.0esr.exe

 

Be careful, though, Dennis. If you don’t change the options so that Firefox doesn’t automatically update, it will update to Version 60 within a few minutes of installing.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of dennis
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 4:30 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: where can i get firefox 52?

 

hi list. subject says it all. thanks for any help.

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: Apps alternative combo

Mario
 

the apps key is sometimes also referred to as "the context key" or "the
context menu key".

-------- Original Message --------
From: Marty Hutchings [mailto:mhutchings@wi.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, Sep 7, 2018 7:09 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Apps alternative combo

Thanks for that.  I had forgotten that that was what it was called.  I
have been calling that key the Context Menu key.



Love in Christ
Marty
-----Original Message----- From: Mario
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 5:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Apps alternative combo

generally, the app or application key is to the left of the right
control key on a desktop keyboard. a laptop's keyboard  may or not
(generally not) have such a key, in which pressing shift+f10 is the
equivalent of pressing the application key.
do note that the keyboard built in to a laptop might have an app key in
a different location in maintaining compactness.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Marty Hutchings [mailto:mhutchings@wi.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, Sep 7, 2018 9:01 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Apps alternative combo

What is an Apps key and how have I gotten along without one?  Is this
just for laptop users?
Love in Christ
Marty
*From:* Jim L <mailto:jimscave@tpg.com.au>
*Sent:* Friday, September 07, 2018 3:36 AM
*To:* jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>
*Subject:* Apps alternative combo

Heya folks,

Have bought a new HP laptop Envy, doesn’t seem to have an apps key, is
there another alternative or combo keys that can do the same thing?

Cheers,

Jim









.


where can i get firefox 52?

dennis
 

hi list. subject says it all. thanks for any help.


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Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Marty. It should have been version 52. It updated you before you got the options changed. That is why you are getting the incompatible announcement.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 4:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

Bill,  The version is 60.2.0

 

Love in Christ
Marty

 

From: Bill White

Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 5:02 PM

Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

Hi, Marty. Can you do the following keystroke, and report back which version of Firefox is installed. It sounds like it is updating to Version 60, and not staying with Version 52. Try the following keystroke when firefox is open:

 

JAWS key plus CONTROL key plus V

 

This should give you the version which is actually installed on your computer right now.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

I managed to instal the 32 bit version of the Firefox version that you sent to me, but I still get the following message when I try to hit a link from a email message.  “Display of tab content is disabled do to incompatibility between Firefox and your accessibility software.  Please update your screen reader or switch to Firefox extended support release.”

 

Love in Christ
Marty

 

From: Bill White

Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 2:50 AM

Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

Hi, Marty. In order for you to use JAWS with Firefox 60 and up, you need the latest version of JAWS, which is JAWS 2018. JAWS 16, 17, and 18 are incompatible with Firefox 60 and up. These versions of Firefox are called Quantum. They contain a version of Sandbox which causes Firefox not to be able to react with JAWS versions earlier than 2018. They had to do some intensive reworking of JAWS to get it to function properly with the newer versions of Firefox. In order for you to use Firefox with JAWS 18, you would need to install an earlier version of Firefox ESR. I will provide a couple of links to the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Firefox ESR in case you wish to downgrade your version of Firefox.

 

Firefox ESR 52, English US 32-bit:

 

Firefox Setup 52.0esr.exe

 

Firefox ESR 52, English US 64-bit:

 

Firefox Setup 52.0esr.exe

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2018 5:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

                   

                        HI,  I am new to this group and am having a similar issue with JAWS and Firefox.  When I open Firefox, I get a message saying that Tabs are incompatible with my adaptive software or my version of Firefox.  I have installed JFW 18 and Firefox 62.  There is no problem using NVDA and Firefox.  What is going on here?  Is it a Windows problem?  I am still running Windows 7.

Love in Christ
Marty Hutchings

 

From: Bill White

Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 5:42 PM

Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

Hi. Another thing I have found is that, if you uninstall Firefox, old profiles are left behind. So, I had to go into

 

Users\”Username”\AppData\Local\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles

 

and delete all the old profiles which were left behind.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Juan Hernandez
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2018 12:50 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

HI All,

 

I was wondering if you have noticed with firefox 61, and now 62 that jfw locks up or I guess firefox locks up all of the time, it happens randomly, but it happens so much that I made chrome my default web browser.

 

Has anyone experienced this?

 

Best,

 

Juan Hernandez

Juanhernandez98@...

619-750-9431 (M)         |  858-777-3311 (F)

My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn

 


Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Yes, that might work, Marty. This is because the file link I sent you is for the full executable, not just a stub or program that goes out on the Internet to get the actual program.

 

What you will want to do, though, is to set firefox to never update, set it not to update with a background service, uninstall the Mozilla Maintenance service, and remove two files from your Mozilla folder in Programs X86. These files are:

 

updater.exe

and

updater.ini

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 4:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

        Bill,  What if I uninstal Firefox, then unplug my internet cable and then reinstall Firefox and then turn off automatic updates and remove the other files that were suggested, then reconnect my internet cable?

 

Love in Christ
Marty

 

From: Bill White

Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 5:02 PM

Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

Yes, you must uninstall. There is not much time between the install and the update. Only a minute or two.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 10:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

Bill,  Wouldn’t I first have to uninstall Firefox and reinstall it?  When I run it after reinstalling it, how long do I have before it automatically updates itself?

 

Love in Christ
Marty

 

From: Bill White

Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 12:00 PM

Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

Hi, J.M. Try the following to keep Firefox from updating automatically.

 

Keep Firefox From Updating

 

 

1. Open Firefox.

2. Press ALT plus T, then O for Options.

3. TAB about 27 times, find Updates, and Arrow down to “Never Check For Updates”.

4. Uncheck the box that says “Use A Background Service To Update Firefox”.

5. Go to Control Panel>Programs And Features, and uninstall Mozilla Maintenance Service.

6. Go to Program Files (if 64-bit) or to Program Files (x86) (if 32-bit).

7. Open the Mozilla Firefox folder, and delete the files named “updater.exe” and “updater.ini”.

8. Now Firefox cannot update automatically.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 9:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

Hey Bill.

 

Thanks for providing those links, but, unless I’m wrong, once installed, those Firefox 52 versions will try to update to 60, which is the version the ESR branch is currently on. This was what we were warned about last year; we could continue to use ESR until September of 2018, at which point it would also be switched to Quantum. This has  now happened to me.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: September 7, 2018 3:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

Hi, Marty. In order for you to use JAWS with Firefox 60 and up, you need the latest version of JAWS, which is JAWS 2018. JAWS 16, 17, and 18 are incompatible with Firefox 60 and up. These versions of Firefox are called Quantum. They contain a version of Sandbox which causes Firefox not to be able to react with JAWS versions earlier than 2018. They had to do some intensive reworking of JAWS to get it to function properly with the newer versions of Firefox. In order for you to use Firefox with JAWS 18, you would need to install an earlier version of Firefox ESR. I will provide a couple of links to the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Firefox ESR in case you wish to downgrade your version of Firefox.

 

Firefox ESR 52, English US 32-bit:

 

Firefox Setup 52.0esr.exe

 

Firefox ESR 52, English US 64-bit:

 

Firefox Setup 52.0esr.exe

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2018 5:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

                   

                        HI,  I am new to this group and am having a similar issue with JAWS and Firefox.  When I open Firefox, I get a message saying that Tabs are incompatible with my adaptive software or my version of Firefox.  I have installed JFW 18 and Firefox 62.  There is no problem using NVDA and Firefox.  What is going on here?  Is it a Windows problem?  I am still running Windows 7.

Love in Christ
Marty Hutchings

 

From: Bill White

Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 5:42 PM

Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

Hi. Another thing I have found is that, if you uninstall Firefox, old profiles are left behind. So, I had to go into

 

Users\”Username”\AppData\Local\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles

 

and delete all the old profiles which were left behind.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Juan Hernandez
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2018 12:50 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

HI All,

 

I was wondering if you have noticed with firefox 61, and now 62 that jfw locks up or I guess firefox locks up all of the time, it happens randomly, but it happens so much that I made chrome my default web browser.

 

Has anyone experienced this?

 

Best,

 

Juan Hernandez

Juanhernandez98@...

619-750-9431 (M)         |  858-777-3311 (F)

My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn

 


Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

Marty Hutchings
 

Bill,  The version is 60.2.0
 
Love in Christ
Marty
 

From: Bill White
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808
 

Hi, Marty. Can you do the following keystroke, and report back which version of Firefox is installed. It sounds like it is updating to Version 60, and not staying with Version 52. Try the following keystroke when firefox is open:

 

JAWS key plus CONTROL key plus V

 

This should give you the version which is actually installed on your computer right now.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

I managed to instal the 32 bit version of the Firefox version that you sent to me, but I still get the following message when I try to hit a link from a email message.  “Display of tab content is disabled do to incompatibility between Firefox and your accessibility software.  Please update your screen reader or switch to Firefox extended support release.”

 

Love in Christ
Marty

 

From: Bill White

Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 2:50 AM

Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

Hi, Marty. In order for you to use JAWS with Firefox 60 and up, you need the latest version of JAWS, which is JAWS 2018. JAWS 16, 17, and 18 are incompatible with Firefox 60 and up. These versions of Firefox are called Quantum. They contain a version of Sandbox which causes Firefox not to be able to react with JAWS versions earlier than 2018. They had to do some intensive reworking of JAWS to get it to function properly with the newer versions of Firefox. In order for you to use Firefox with JAWS 18, you would need to install an earlier version of Firefox ESR. I will provide a couple of links to the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Firefox ESR in case you wish to downgrade your version of Firefox.

 

Firefox ESR 52, English US 32-bit:

 

Firefox Setup 52.0esr.exe

 

Firefox ESR 52, English US 64-bit:

 

Firefox Setup 52.0esr.exe

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2018 5:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

                   

                        HI,  I am new to this group and am having a similar issue with JAWS and Firefox.  When I open Firefox, I get a message saying that Tabs are incompatible with my adaptive software or my version of Firefox.  I have installed JFW 18 and Firefox 62.  There is no problem using NVDA and Firefox.  What is going on here?  Is it a Windows problem?  I am still running Windows 7.

Love in Christ
Marty Hutchings

 

From: Bill White

Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 5:42 PM

Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

Hi. Another thing I have found is that, if you uninstall Firefox, old profiles are left behind. So, I had to go into

 

Users\”Username”\AppData\Local\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles

 

and delete all the old profiles which were left behind.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Juan Hernandez
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2018 12:50 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

HI All,

 

I was wondering if you have noticed with firefox 61, and now 62 that jfw locks up or I guess firefox locks up all of the time, it happens randomly, but it happens so much that I made chrome my default web browser.

 

Has anyone experienced this?

 

Best,

 

Juan Hernandez

Juanhernandez98@...

619-750-9431 (M)         |  858-777-3311 (F)

My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn

 


Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

Marty Hutchings
 

        Bill,  What if I uninstal Firefox, then unplug my internet cable and then reinstall Firefox and then turn off automatic updates and remove the other files that were suggested, then reconnect my internet cable?
 
Love in Christ
Marty
 

From: Bill White
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808
 

Yes, you must uninstall. There is not much time between the install and the update. Only a minute or two.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 10:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

Bill,  Wouldn’t I first have to uninstall Firefox and reinstall it?  When I run it after reinstalling it, how long do I have before it automatically updates itself?

 

Love in Christ
Marty

 

From: Bill White

Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 12:00 PM

Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

Hi, J.M. Try the following to keep Firefox from updating automatically.

 

Keep Firefox From Updating

 

 

1. Open Firefox.

2. Press ALT plus T, then O for Options.

3. TAB about 27 times, find Updates, and Arrow down to “Never Check For Updates”.

4. Uncheck the box that says “Use A Background Service To Update Firefox”.

5. Go to Control Panel>Programs And Features, and uninstall Mozilla Maintenance Service.

6. Go to Program Files (if 64-bit) or to Program Files (x86) (if 32-bit).

7. Open the Mozilla Firefox folder, and delete the files named “updater.exe” and “updater.ini”.

8. Now Firefox cannot update automatically.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 9:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

Hey Bill.

 

Thanks for providing those links, but, unless I’m wrong, once installed, those Firefox 52 versions will try to update to 60, which is the version the ESR branch is currently on. This was what we were warned about last year; we could continue to use ESR until September of 2018, at which point it would also be switched to Quantum. This has  now happened to me.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: September 7, 2018 3:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

Hi, Marty. In order for you to use JAWS with Firefox 60 and up, you need the latest version of JAWS, which is JAWS 2018. JAWS 16, 17, and 18 are incompatible with Firefox 60 and up. These versions of Firefox are called Quantum. They contain a version of Sandbox which causes Firefox not to be able to react with JAWS versions earlier than 2018. They had to do some intensive reworking of JAWS to get it to function properly with the newer versions of Firefox. In order for you to use Firefox with JAWS 18, you would need to install an earlier version of Firefox ESR. I will provide a couple of links to the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Firefox ESR in case you wish to downgrade your version of Firefox.

 

Firefox ESR 52, English US 32-bit:

 

Firefox Setup 52.0esr.exe

 

Firefox ESR 52, English US 64-bit:

 

Firefox Setup 52.0esr.exe

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2018 5:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

                   

                        HI,  I am new to this group and am having a similar issue with JAWS and Firefox.  When I open Firefox, I get a message saying that Tabs are incompatible with my adaptive software or my version of Firefox.  I have installed JFW 18 and Firefox 62.  There is no problem using NVDA and Firefox.  What is going on here?  Is it a Windows problem?  I am still running Windows 7.

Love in Christ
Marty Hutchings

 

From: Bill White

Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 5:42 PM

Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

Hi. Another thing I have found is that, if you uninstall Firefox, old profiles are left behind. So, I had to go into

 

Users\”Username”\AppData\Local\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles

 

and delete all the old profiles which were left behind.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Juan Hernandez
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2018 12:50 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

HI All,

 

I was wondering if you have noticed with firefox 61, and now 62 that jfw locks up or I guess firefox locks up all of the time, it happens randomly, but it happens so much that I made chrome my default web browser.

 

Has anyone experienced this?

 

Best,

 

Juan Hernandez

Juanhernandez98@...

619-750-9431 (M)         |  858-777-3311 (F)

My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn

 


Re: Apps alternative combo

Marty Hutchings
 

Thanks for that. I had forgotten that that was what it was called. I have been calling that key the Context Menu key.



Love in Christ
Marty

-----Original Message-----
From: Mario
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 5:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Apps alternative combo

generally, the app or application key is to the left of the right
control key on a desktop keyboard. a laptop's keyboard may or not
(generally not) have such a key, in which pressing shift+f10 is the
equivalent of pressing the application key.
do note that the keyboard built in to a laptop might have an app key in
a different location in maintaining compactness.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Marty Hutchings [mailto:mhutchings@wi.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, Sep 7, 2018 9:01 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Apps alternative combo

What is an Apps key and how have I gotten along without one? Is this
just for laptop users?
Love in Christ
Marty
*From:* Jim L <mailto:jimscave@tpg.com.au>
*Sent:* Friday, September 07, 2018 3:36 AM
*To:* jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>
*Subject:* Apps alternative combo

Heya folks,

Have bought a new HP laptop Envy, doesn’t seem to have an apps key, is
there another alternative or combo keys that can do the same thing?

Cheers,

Jim


Re: Jaws and speech synth

Marty Hutchings
 

Nino,  You will find the sound card list choices under the JAWS Utility menu.  It is the third item down.
 
Love in Christ
Marty
 

Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 5:37 PM
Subject: Jaws and speech synth
 

Hello:

 

Where is the combo box to tell Jaws what set of speekers to use.

 

I used to know where it was I just cant find it.

 

Thank you.

 

 


Jaws 18 window 10 desktop computer Jaws 18on IE on history Addison here not

O.Addison Gethers
 

Hello All  I’m using jaws 18 with window 10 desktop computer. When I opened IE then I pressctrl + H for history it’s say history close then it’s say today close then I right arrow it’s say today open when I arrow up jaws not say anything but when I down arrow from today open  it’s say www.gethersfuneralhome.com then I arrow up on today open then up arrow jaws not saying yesterday close !! So I turns on laptop computer yesterday I have jaws 18 with window 10 then I opened IE then press ctrl + H it’s say history close then it’s say today close then I right arrow it’s say today open then I arrowup it’s say yesterday close !! Can anyone tell me why jaws not saying nothing when I arrow up from today open to say yesterday close on desktop computer?What do I need to do get it fix?

Addison

 

  

 


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Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Yes, it’s silly.

 

The way I see it though you have two options if you want to continue using Firefox.

Upgrade JAWS, or use another screen-reader.

NVDA works extremely well, you will just have to get used to it.

 

You could also try Chrome. It still works with JAWS 18, at least, as far as I know., and it is fast and snappy.

 

So yes, there are always options.

This stuff with Firefox did not come out of the blue. We had over a year to prepare for Quantum if we were on the ESR branch.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: September 7, 2018 5:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

i thank you all for your suggestions, but this is silly.  I’m not paying another $1,000 for a JFW version just to get Firefox to work.  There has to be another browser that works with the version that I have.  Could someone please send me the executable for a browser that I can install.  Don’t send a link, as I do not have internet.

 

Love in Christ
Marty

 

From: JM Casey

Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 1:51 PM

Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

I know.

 

So the only reasonable choice really seems to be, stop using firefox, or use NVDA.

 

Or pay for another JAWS upgrade of course. Which I actually just did. Can’t say it was just for the sake of Firefox (there are other browsers after all) but it definitely helped give me a little push.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: September 7, 2018 2:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

If you are using the ESR version of Firefox, and you don’t turn off the updates, it will eventually update to version 60 ESR, and that one won’t work unless you have JAWS 2018.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 10:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

But, if you do that, I don’t think you’ll receive security and maintenance updates either. Given all the vulnerabilities in browsers that are getting reported these days (saw one about firefox just this morning), I don’t know that that’s a good idea. I personally had mine set to ask me to update, but I never deferred the updates for too long for this reason.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: September 7, 2018 1:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

You can go in to the options and turn off automatically update.

 

From: JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
Sent: September 7, 2018 10:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

Hey Bill.

 

Thanks for providing those links, but, unless I’m wrong, once installed, those Firefox 52 versions will try to update to 60, which is the version the ESR branch is currently on. This was what we were warned about last year; we could continue to use ESR until September of 2018, at which point it would also be switched to Quantum. This has  now happened to me.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: September 7, 2018 3:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

Hi, Marty. In order for you to use JAWS with Firefox 60 and up, you need the latest version of JAWS, which is JAWS 2018. JAWS 16, 17, and 18 are incompatible with Firefox 60 and up. These versions of Firefox are called Quantum. They contain a version of Sandbox which causes Firefox not to be able to react with JAWS versions earlier than 2018. They had to do some intensive reworking of JAWS to get it to function properly with the newer versions of Firefox. In order for you to use Firefox with JAWS 18, you would need to install an earlier version of Firefox ESR. I will provide a couple of links to the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Firefox ESR in case you wish to downgrade your version of Firefox.

 

Firefox ESR 52, English US 32-bit:

 

Firefox Setup 52.0esr.exe

 

Firefox ESR 52, English US 64-bit:

 

Firefox Setup 52.0esr.exe

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2018 5:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

                   

                        HI,  I am new to this group and am having a similar issue with JAWS and Firefox.  When I open Firefox, I get a message saying that Tabs are incompatible with my adaptive software or my version of Firefox.  I have installed JFW 18 and Firefox 62.  There is no problem using NVDA and Firefox.  What is going on here?  Is it a Windows problem?  I am still running Windows 7.

Love in Christ
Marty Hutchings

 

From: Bill White

Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 5:42 PM

Subject: Re: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

Hi. Another thing I have found is that, if you uninstall Firefox, old profiles are left behind. So, I had to go into

 

Users\”Username”\AppData\Local\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles

 

and delete all the old profiles which were left behind.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Juan Hernandez
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2018 12:50 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: firefox w/ latest jfw 2018.1808

 

HI All,

 

I was wondering if you have noticed with firefox 61, and now 62 that jfw locks up or I guess firefox locks up all of the time, it happens randomly, but it happens so much that I made chrome my default web browser.

 

Has anyone experienced this?

 

Best,

 

Juan Hernandez

Juanhernandez98@...

619-750-9431 (M)         |  858-777-3311 (F)

My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn

 


Re: Apps alternative combo

ely.r@...
 

Dean

The context key is an unsung wonder of Windows. I was teaching a blind student who needed a laptop  to use with a screen reader. The tech person knew just the right thing and it was ordered without ever asking me. Yup, no context key. When I went online to see if there might be a key combination that was an equivalent, I found there was none. At the same time, I discovered the angry outcries from system administrators and coders. I never thought just how much those professionals relied on that one little key. It is also a surprise when I find a skilled user who relies on a screen reader and has had training, who has no idea wat the context key is and what it can do. It is rare that desktop keyboards come missing it, but not so with laptops. If any of you are considering a laptop, be sure the Vonder-key is there.

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 6:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Apps alternative combo

 

The application key is highly useful.  It is the equivalent of clicking the right mouse button, it offers you a context menu of things you can do where you are.  Most people do not use it enough.  On desktop computers it is the key to the left of the right-hand control key.  I would try to avoid buying a laptop that is devoid of this key, but some are.  You can get the same result with shift+f10, and you can reassign keys with programs such as KeyTweak to give a deprived laptop an application key.

 

Dean

 

Thought-provoking reading: http://bahaiteachings.org

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 9:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Apps alternative combo

 

What is an Apps key and how have I gotten along without one?  Is this just for laptop users?

 

Love in Christ
Marty

 

From: Jim L

Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 3:36 AM

Subject: Apps alternative combo

 

Heya folks,

 

Have bought a new HP laptop Envy, doesn’t seem to have an apps key, is there another alternative or combo keys that can do the same thing?

 

Cheers,

 

Jim