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Re: Hot Keys

Sharon
 

Yes

Sharon

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Hot Keys

 

Is that  a web site book share?

 

 

From: Sharon
Sent: 26 August 2018 19:19
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Hot Keys

 

I wasn’t using it to do two programs. I set it up to do both in sequence: go to IE and then launch Bookshare.

Learned it from one of Cathy Ann’s books.

Worked great on old machine;

Not so great on the new one.

Both win 10.

Sharon

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 8:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Hot Keys

 

You cant use the same hotkey for two different programs

 

 

From: Sharon
Sent: 26 August 2018 11:26
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Hot Keys

 

Would any of this have to do with the fact that when I create a hot key that opens IE and then Bookshare, the hot key discontinues working? This did not happen on my old win 10 machine, but only on the newer laptop.

On the laptop, it only works once. If I go back in and retype the hot key letters (which are already in that field), it works again, but again only once.

Also are hot keys Jaws or Windows related?

Sharon

 

Sharon

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 10:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser

 

On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 09:36 PM, Jeremy wrote:

You can't right click on the shortcut to a program and say, "Open with," something else.

And, you can't.  You can't for a URL shortcut, either.

If you want a URL shortcut to open with a dedicated browser you have to engineer it.

I have no time for arguing with someone who wishes to pick nits when I've given a rule that applies 100% of the time with regard to URL shortcuts that are created via "the usual methods" and are not custom tweaked afterward.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

 

 


Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

Well, you might want to be careful of whom you’re insulting as I might have solutions you may need in the future. We all bring some sort of knowledge to these lists, so rather than putting walls between ourselves, we would all grow if we could build our collective pool of knowledge.

 

Regarding the link to the article you posted, those are some really weak reasons why someone would disable such a useful feature. It takes up space? C’mon, with the size of SSDs nowadays, most people probably have more kitten videos or MP3 files on their hard drives than the space taken up by fast startup.

 

I mean, ultimately, one’s computer is one’s computer, and he or she can do whatever he or she wants with their machine. On the other hand, if productivity is the goal, nothing can beat coming up with an idea, quickly lifting a laptop lid or pressing the power button on a Windows tablet, working through that thought, then moving on. With Fast Startup disabled, having to wait for one’s computer to fully power up and the difficulties that may bring on because at times Windows installs updates and alike, that can interfere with the creative process.

 

Ultimately, we all have the freedom to decide how to use our computers. J My goal is to convey useful information rather than hanging on to old fears from previous versions of Windows.

 

JR

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 11:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Hi Jeremy,

 

Now it sounds like you’re a bit of a fanboy of this horrible technology.

 

Now take a look at this article:-

 

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-disable-windows-10-fast-startup

 

In particular, the heading labelled why you might want to disable it.

 

It takes up space on your hard drive.  For some it doesn’t truly shut down the processor, even reports of fans spinning after shutting down.

 

Just accept that this may cause problems, and get on with life, enjoying fast startup as I know you do.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: 24 August 2018 14:41
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Ok, fair enough, one guy using the less than stellar Windows 8 (Sample size is n = 1), not to mention it was operating system corruption causing the problem and not fast boot. Still not really much of a sample from millions and millions of Windows 10 users whom don’t have these problems.

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 6:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 09:13 AM, Jeremy wrote:

Out of curiosity, what issues has this fast boot caused?

Taken directly from a client report written in November 2015, regarding a Windows 8 machine that was using Fast Startup and where the hibernation file used for same had become corrupted:
-----------

Caps Lock key was perpetually locked, backspace key did not work, up arrow and down arrow keys would not work.  He had already done a full system shutdown and restart and this did not clear the problems.  He acquired another portable wireless keyboard and mouse and the same behaviors were exhibited when these were in use, so the issue definitely was with the computer.   Windows 8 uses a form of shutdown known as a hybrid shutdown by default, where certain state information is written to a file at shutdown an read back in again upon restart.  I disabled this feature such that a shutdown completely powers down the laptop and retains no information regarding the prior session upon reboot.  This cleared all of the keyboard issues for the laptop and external keyboards upon rebooting.

-----------

I had never encountered anything like this before, and it was sheer luck that I eventually hit upon Fast Startup as the root cause.  The kinds of things that can go wrong if there is a corruption in the OS system state are myriad, and if that state is written out to a hibernation file and reloaded, you just carry it along.  Of course, one could do a forced Restart and that should clear it, but that's counterintuitive to those of us who have been taught for decades that using Shut Down was the definitive way to power the computer off and have Windows reload from scratch when powered up again.

If one wants to use Fast Startup then have at it.  Just realize that if you start to have inexplicable weirdness going on that doing a forced Restart, which does make Windows reload from the disc from scratch, is the first thing you should do.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Steve,

            You and I are on the same page with regard to Fast Startup.  The incident I encountered in 2015 under Windows 8 was enough to make me say, "never again."

            The increase in startup speed is negligible with a HDD and pretty much invisible if you're using an SSD with Fast Startup enabled.   I would rather know that when I shut down my system it is shut down and will reload afresh when powered on again.   Others feel differently, but it is important that they be aware of the potential issues and if they choose to use Fast Startup to know that using Restart will force the machine to shut down entirely and load Windows afresh from the drive.

             I've seen plenty of other instances where simply turning off Fast Startup has cured an ongoing issue where the user never did a Restart.  That also tells me that it's just not worth it.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

I maintain computers for customers every day pretty much, and I see it with all screen readers.  Just accept it, just because you like it, doesn’t mean there are not problems with it.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: 26 August 2018 19:43
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

I think it more accurate to state all screen readers on “your” computer end up unstable. Unless you have a large sample by which you’ve conducted extensive scientific research, your claim will be one you will struggle to support. “All” is not a word which should be thrown around casually when using computers. Like I said, I love the various power options on my Windows machines as they make computing life more convenient for me.

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 11:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Hi,

 

The issue for me is that all screen readers simply become unstable, when woken up in this way.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: 24 August 2018 14:14
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Hi Allen,

 

Out of curiosity, what issues has this fast boot caused? The issue I’m most aware of is that some are bent on hearing the Windows start up sound and would gladly sacrifice performance and convenience just to hear that little wav file. J

 

Thanks,

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 5:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Again, my experience has been different. Maybe I’ll try again but up until now I’ve seen on lists far more issues/problems than enhancements.

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 8:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

I have a bit of a high-end computer, and I definitely notice a difference when Fast boot is on or off. I can come in and out of shutdown in about as  long as it takes me to lift the lid on my laptop with fast boot on as opposed to about 35 seconds with fast boot off. This feature is also very reliable and stable--I can go for weeks without a restart. I don’t think Microsoft would have spent so much in R&D for this feature to not notice a difference in boot time.  

 

JR

  

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 3:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Agreed, if using a traditional mechanical drive. However, if one is using the new solid-state drive the increased time saved is not worth any possible inconvenience. I keep this turned off and all my solid-state drive computers and see virtually no difference in time whether it is enabled or not.


On Aug 24, 2018, at 4:43 AM, Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...> wrote:

I disagree. Fast Startup is a very useful time-saving feature of Windows. I use it on all my computers, and I’ve never experienced corruption.

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 1:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Just turn off fast startup, it’s a pain anyway.  Often your on-disk to memory transfer gets corrupted.  It causes more grief than it helps, in my experience.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 22 August 2018 15:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

While this is not directly JAWS related, the issue of lack of a "coming back from being shut down when using Fast Startup" sound, as well as the lack of the good, old-fashioned shutdown sound, under Windows 10 comes up repeatedly on virtually every screen reader related group I'm participating in.  

I have just created feedback related to both, and here's the click-through link to the Windows 10 Feedback Hub for it (which, of course, only works for Windows 10 users):

               "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

If this is an accessibility issue for you, please review this feedback and upvote it so that it will garner more attention.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

I think it more accurate to state all screen readers on “your” computer end up unstable. Unless you have a large sample by which you’ve conducted extensive scientific research, your claim will be one you will struggle to support. “All” is not a word which should be thrown around casually when using computers. Like I said, I love the various power options on my Windows machines as they make computing life more convenient for me.

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 11:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Hi,

 

The issue for me is that all screen readers simply become unstable, when woken up in this way.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: 24 August 2018 14:14
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Hi Allen,

 

Out of curiosity, what issues has this fast boot caused? The issue I’m most aware of is that some are bent on hearing the Windows start up sound and would gladly sacrifice performance and convenience just to hear that little wav file. J

 

Thanks,

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 5:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Again, my experience has been different. Maybe I’ll try again but up until now I’ve seen on lists far more issues/problems than enhancements.

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 8:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

I have a bit of a high-end computer, and I definitely notice a difference when Fast boot is on or off. I can come in and out of shutdown in about as  long as it takes me to lift the lid on my laptop with fast boot on as opposed to about 35 seconds with fast boot off. This feature is also very reliable and stable--I can go for weeks without a restart. I don’t think Microsoft would have spent so much in R&D for this feature to not notice a difference in boot time.  

 

JR

  

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 3:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Agreed, if using a traditional mechanical drive. However, if one is using the new solid-state drive the increased time saved is not worth any possible inconvenience. I keep this turned off and all my solid-state drive computers and see virtually no difference in time whether it is enabled or not.


On Aug 24, 2018, at 4:43 AM, Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...> wrote:

I disagree. Fast Startup is a very useful time-saving feature of Windows. I use it on all my computers, and I’ve never experienced corruption.

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 1:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Just turn off fast startup, it’s a pain anyway.  Often your on-disk to memory transfer gets corrupted.  It causes more grief than it helps, in my experience.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 22 August 2018 15:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

While this is not directly JAWS related, the issue of lack of a "coming back from being shut down when using Fast Startup" sound, as well as the lack of the good, old-fashioned shutdown sound, under Windows 10 comes up repeatedly on virtually every screen reader related group I'm participating in.  

I have just created feedback related to both, and here's the click-through link to the Windows 10 Feedback Hub for it (which, of course, only works for Windows 10 users):

               "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

If this is an accessibility issue for you, please review this feedback and upvote it so that it will garner more attention.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: Hot Keys

Chris
 

Is that  a web site book share?

 

 

From: Sharon
Sent: 26 August 2018 19:19
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Hot Keys

 

I wasn’t using it to do two programs. I set it up to do both in sequence: go to IE and then launch Bookshare.

Learned it from one of Cathy Ann’s books.

Worked great on old machine;

Not so great on the new one.

Both win 10.

Sharon

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 8:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Hot Keys

 

You cant use the same hotkey for two different programs

 

 

From: Sharon
Sent: 26 August 2018 11:26
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Hot Keys

 

Would any of this have to do with the fact that when I create a hot key that opens IE and then Bookshare, the hot key discontinues working? This did not happen on my old win 10 machine, but only on the newer laptop.

On the laptop, it only works once. If I go back in and retype the hot key letters (which are already in that field), it works again, but again only once.

Also are hot keys Jaws or Windows related?

Sharon

 

Sharon

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 10:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser

 

On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 09:36 PM, Jeremy wrote:

You can't right click on the shortcut to a program and say, "Open with," something else.

And, you can't.  You can't for a URL shortcut, either.

If you want a URL shortcut to open with a dedicated browser you have to engineer it.

I have no time for arguing with someone who wishes to pick nits when I've given a rule that applies 100% of the time with regard to URL shortcuts that are created via "the usual methods" and are not custom tweaked afterward.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

 

 


Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Brian,

 

Corruption not only in the hibernation files, but any files that are stored into memory.  I have seen Word documents corrupted by using fast startup.  Consider if you leave Word open with a document loaded, you shut down, and the hibernation files get corrupted?  Then you ain’t getting your Word file back.  To me, it’s positively dangerous this feature.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 24 August 2018 15:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Jeremy,

          You asked for an example, I gave you an example.  Spend approximately 30 seconds on a web search on "Windows 10 Fast Startup Problems" and the results you'll get and you'll realize this is far from an isolated incident.   And, by the way, Fast Startup is implemented the same in both OSes and, as I said before, the issues can come from something causing corruption in the hibernation file, and that does happen.  It's no different than the myriad problems that can creep in to web browsers via cache corruption that "magically disappear" if one simply purges cache.  The hibernation file is "OS Cache," and it can get screwed up completely independently of an OS that's perfectly fine.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Jeremy,

 

Now it sounds like you’re a bit of a fanboy of this horrible technology.

 

Now take a look at this article:-

 

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-disable-windows-10-fast-startup

 

In particular, the heading labelled why you might want to disable it.

 

It takes up space on your hard drive.  For some it doesn’t truly shut down the processor, even reports of fans spinning after shutting down.

 

Just accept that this may cause problems, and get on with life, enjoying fast startup as I know you do.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: 24 August 2018 14:41
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Ok, fair enough, one guy using the less than stellar Windows 8 (Sample size is n = 1), not to mention it was operating system corruption causing the problem and not fast boot. Still not really much of a sample from millions and millions of Windows 10 users whom don’t have these problems.

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 6:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 09:13 AM, Jeremy wrote:

Out of curiosity, what issues has this fast boot caused?

Taken directly from a client report written in November 2015, regarding a Windows 8 machine that was using Fast Startup and where the hibernation file used for same had become corrupted:
-----------

Caps Lock key was perpetually locked, backspace key did not work, up arrow and down arrow keys would not work.  He had already done a full system shutdown and restart and this did not clear the problems.  He acquired another portable wireless keyboard and mouse and the same behaviors were exhibited when these were in use, so the issue definitely was with the computer.   Windows 8 uses a form of shutdown known as a hybrid shutdown by default, where certain state information is written to a file at shutdown an read back in again upon restart.  I disabled this feature such that a shutdown completely powers down the laptop and retains no information regarding the prior session upon reboot.  This cleared all of the keyboard issues for the laptop and external keyboards upon rebooting.

-----------

I had never encountered anything like this before, and it was sheer luck that I eventually hit upon Fast Startup as the root cause.  The kinds of things that can go wrong if there is a corruption in the OS system state are myriad, and if that state is written out to a hibernation file and reloaded, you just carry it along.  Of course, one could do a forced Restart and that should clear it, but that's counterintuitive to those of us who have been taught for decades that using Shut Down was the definitive way to power the computer off and have Windows reload from scratch when powered up again.

If one wants to use Fast Startup then have at it.  Just realize that if you start to have inexplicable weirdness going on that doing a forced Restart, which does make Windows reload from the disc from scratch, is the first thing you should do.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

The issue for me is that all screen readers simply become unstable, when woken up in this way.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: 24 August 2018 14:14
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Hi Allen,

 

Out of curiosity, what issues has this fast boot caused? The issue I’m most aware of is that some are bent on hearing the Windows start up sound and would gladly sacrifice performance and convenience just to hear that little wav file. J

 

Thanks,

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 5:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Again, my experience has been different. Maybe I’ll try again but up until now I’ve seen on lists far more issues/problems than enhancements.

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 8:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

I have a bit of a high-end computer, and I definitely notice a difference when Fast boot is on or off. I can come in and out of shutdown in about as  long as it takes me to lift the lid on my laptop with fast boot on as opposed to about 35 seconds with fast boot off. This feature is also very reliable and stable--I can go for weeks without a restart. I don’t think Microsoft would have spent so much in R&D for this feature to not notice a difference in boot time.  

 

JR

  

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 3:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Agreed, if using a traditional mechanical drive. However, if one is using the new solid-state drive the increased time saved is not worth any possible inconvenience. I keep this turned off and all my solid-state drive computers and see virtually no difference in time whether it is enabled or not.


On Aug 24, 2018, at 4:43 AM, Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...> wrote:

I disagree. Fast Startup is a very useful time-saving feature of Windows. I use it on all my computers, and I’ve never experienced corruption.

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 1:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Just turn off fast startup, it’s a pain anyway.  Often your on-disk to memory transfer gets corrupted.  It causes more grief than it helps, in my experience.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 22 August 2018 15:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

While this is not directly JAWS related, the issue of lack of a "coming back from being shut down when using Fast Startup" sound, as well as the lack of the good, old-fashioned shutdown sound, under Windows 10 comes up repeatedly on virtually every screen reader related group I'm participating in.  

I have just created feedback related to both, and here's the click-through link to the Windows 10 Feedback Hub for it (which, of course, only works for Windows 10 users):

               "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

If this is an accessibility issue for you, please review this feedback and upvote it so that it will garner more attention.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

Because many requests for information end up long and likely end in confusion, regarding creating a desktop shortcut for a webpage to be launched with a browser which is not the default browser...

Make sure the path to the browser is placed in quotes before the URL of the website as in:
{"C:\Program Files (x86)\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe" https://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS{

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 7:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser

"... the entire URL must be put
in quotes or else the shortcut won’t work"

JR, I find it to be not true. when I do it, the path to the executable, surrounded by quotes, a space, and followed by the address without quotes because there are no spaces in the address.

if the quotes are necessary for the address, please explain why.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Jeremy [mailto:jeremy.richards7@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, Aug 25, 2018 8:49 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser

Hi Mike,



Funny. I agree on the billing point. :) Regarding creating shortcuts to webpages using a browser other than the default browser, it can be done as I previously stated, just remember that you must add the path to the browser’s executable first, then add the URL second. Also know that the entire URL must be put in quotes or else the shortcut won’t work.



JR



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 12:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser



I know, it sucks,

They should have had the foresight to do those the same way they did files;

Typical short sightedness by software developers;

Bet they don’t screw up the billing though;

That always works like its supposed too;





Mike mcglashon

Email: <mailto:Michael.mcglashon@comcast.net> Michael.mcglashon@comcast.net

Ph: 618 783 9331



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 2:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser



That's not how desktop shortcuts, except those to files, have ever worked.

You can't right click on the shortcut to a program and say, "Open with,"
something else.

I have never heard of anyone, prior to now, wanting web URLs to open
with anything other than the web browser of their choosing. If they
want to use another one then they can open the shortcut itself, copy the
URL, open the other web browser wanted at the moment, and paste it in.

Web desktop shortcuts have always opened with the default web browser
from day one.


Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

I have seen it fowl up more than once, so I’ll keep it off thank you.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: 24 August 2018 13:31
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

I have a bit of a high-end computer, and I definitely notice a difference when Fast boot is on or off. I can come in and out of shutdown in about as  long as it takes me to lift the lid on my laptop with fast boot on as opposed to about 35 seconds with fast boot off. This feature is also very reliable and stable--I can go for weeks without a restart. I don’t think Microsoft would have spent so much in R&D for this feature to not notice a difference in boot time.  

 

JR

  

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 3:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Agreed, if using a traditional mechanical drive. However, if one is using the new solid-state drive the increased time saved is not worth any possible inconvenience. I keep this turned off and all my solid-state drive computers and see virtually no difference in time whether it is enabled or not.


On Aug 24, 2018, at 4:43 AM, Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...> wrote:

I disagree. Fast Startup is a very useful time-saving feature of Windows. I use it on all my computers, and I’ve never experienced corruption.

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 1:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Just turn off fast startup, it’s a pain anyway.  Often your on-disk to memory transfer gets corrupted.  It causes more grief than it helps, in my experience.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 22 August 2018 15:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

While this is not directly JAWS related, the issue of lack of a "coming back from being shut down when using Fast Startup" sound, as well as the lack of the good, old-fashioned shutdown sound, under Windows 10 comes up repeatedly on virtually every screen reader related group I'm participating in.  

I have just created feedback related to both, and here's the click-through link to the Windows 10 Feedback Hub for it (which, of course, only works for Windows 10 users):

               "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

If this is an accessibility issue for you, please review this feedback and upvote it so that it will garner more attention.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: Hot Keys

Sharon
 

I wasn’t using it to do two programs. I set it up to do both in sequence: go to IE and then launch Bookshare.

Learned it from one of Cathy Ann’s books.

Worked great on old machine;

Not so great on the new one.

Both win 10.

Sharon

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 8:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Hot Keys

 

You cant use the same hotkey for two different programs

 

 

From: Sharon
Sent: 26 August 2018 11:26
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Hot Keys

 

Would any of this have to do with the fact that when I create a hot key that opens IE and then Bookshare, the hot key discontinues working? This did not happen on my old win 10 machine, but only on the newer laptop.

On the laptop, it only works once. If I go back in and retype the hot key letters (which are already in that field), it works again, but again only once.

Also are hot keys Jaws or Windows related?

Sharon

 

Sharon

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 10:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser

 

On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 09:36 PM, Jeremy wrote:

You can't right click on the shortcut to a program and say, "Open with," something else.

And, you can't.  You can't for a URL shortcut, either.

If you want a URL shortcut to open with a dedicated browser you have to engineer it.

I have no time for arguing with someone who wishes to pick nits when I've given a rule that applies 100% of the time with regard to URL shortcuts that are created via "the usual methods" and are not custom tweaked afterward.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Re: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser

Mario
 

oops. sorry guys. I should have read all of the thread before responding.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, Aug 26, 2018 10:50 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser

"... the entire URL must be put
in quotes or else the shortcut won’t work"

JR, I find it to be not true. when I do it, the path to the executable,
surrounded by quotes, a space, and followed by the address without
quotes because there are no spaces in the address.

if the quotes are necessary for the address, please explain why.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Jeremy [mailto:jeremy.richards7@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, Aug 25, 2018 8:49 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser

Hi Mike,



Funny. I agree on the billing point. :) Regarding creating shortcuts to
webpages using a browser other than the default browser, it can be done
as I previously stated, just remember that you must add the path to the
browser’s executable first, then add the URL second. Also know that the
entire URL must be put in quotes or else the shortcut won’t work.



JR



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 12:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser



I know, it sucks,

They should have had the foresight to do those the same way they did files;

Typical short sightedness by software developers;

Bet they don’t screw up the billing though;

That always works like its supposed too;





Mike mcglashon

Email: <mailto:Michael.mcglashon@comcast.net> Michael.mcglashon@comcast.net

Ph: 618 783 9331



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 2:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser



That's not how desktop shortcuts, except those to files, have ever worked.

You can't right click on the shortcut to a program and say, "Open with,"
something else.

I have never heard of anyone, prior to now, wanting web URLs to open
with anything other than the web browser of their choosing. If they
want to use another one then they can open the shortcut itself, copy the
URL, open the other web browser wanted at the moment, and paste it in.

Web desktop shortcuts have always opened with the default web browser
from day one.


Re: accessible password generators

 

I will again recommend Password Safe, which is still 100% accessible, open source, and has both an Android and iOS clone named PasswdSafe.

It can generate passwords, do auto fill in, taking you straight to the website triggered from within Password Safe itself, and you can choose to use cloud storage for your encrypted password safe file if you wish to be able to have one master file that's accessed from multiple devices and always up-to-date on all of them.

And you can't beat free.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser

Mario
 

"... the entire URL must be put
in quotes or else the shortcut won’t work"

JR, I find it to be not true. when I do it, the path to the executable,
surrounded by quotes, a space, and followed by the address without
quotes because there are no spaces in the address.

if the quotes are necessary for the address, please explain why.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Jeremy [mailto:jeremy.richards7@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, Aug 25, 2018 8:49 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser

Hi Mike,



Funny. I agree on the billing point. :) Regarding creating shortcuts to
webpages using a browser other than the default browser, it can be done
as I previously stated, just remember that you must add the path to the
browser’s executable first, then add the URL second. Also know that the
entire URL must be put in quotes or else the shortcut won’t work.



JR



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 12:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser



I know, it sucks,

They should have had the foresight to do those the same way they did files;

Typical short sightedness by software developers;

Bet they don’t screw up the billing though;

That always works like its supposed too;





Mike mcglashon

Email: <mailto:Michael.mcglashon@comcast.net> Michael.mcglashon@comcast.net

Ph: 618 783 9331



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 2:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser



That's not how desktop shortcuts, except those to files, have ever worked.

You can't right click on the shortcut to a program and say, "Open with,"
something else.

I have never heard of anyone, prior to now, wanting web URLs to open
with anything other than the web browser of their choosing. If they
want to use another one then they can open the shortcut itself, copy the
URL, open the other web browser wanted at the moment, and paste it in.

Web desktop shortcuts have always opened with the default web browser
from day one.


Re: accessible password generators

Hope Williamson <isepic@...>
 

You really don't have to use the webpage interface unless you need to update things in the valt that it keeps. You can do everything else through the browser extensions, including automatically generate passwords. It will also autofill for you and if you're not extremely security conscious that's very convenient to have long, 30 character passwords automatically put in for you.

On 8/25/2018 6:27 PM, Jeremy wrote:
Hi Mario,

About a year ago I took LastPass for a test drive, and I was not happy with it. Yes, it has ad-owns/extensions for most browsers, and it will work as advertised. As a full time JAWS user, I just didn't like the webpage interface, and I didn't like the immense amount of similar features, which resulted in tricky reading since there is such a thing as too much information. You can of course give it a shot for yourself, and I'm sure there are many on these lists using it, but man, there seems to be quite a learning curve. At the time I just didn't have the time to learn how to use it as thoroughly as I'd like, so I abandoned the whole idea and went back to KeePass, which is free and easy to use. :)

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 7:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accessible password generators

Hope, I don't recall your status of vision impairment, but I totally rely on JAWS because I do not have sufficient vision to attempt to read the display. I forgot if you're using Windows 10 and I'm wondering if LastPass is JAWS friendly or is there a lot of using the JAWS cursor to perform actions?

I'm also wondering if LastPass is installed and the user specifies which
browser(s) are used, or is there plugins/addons/extensions for the major browsers that need to be installed?

------- Original Message --------
From: Hope Williamson via Groups.Io [mailto:isepic=lavabit.com@groups.io]
Sent: Saturday, Aug 25, 2018 12:25 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: accessible password generators

I will always love and recommend LastPass! https:///lastpass.com When you install the extension, it puts everything right in the context ( and/or the right click,) menu of the browser you're using so it's very convenient.




.








Re: Hot Keys

Chris
 

You cant use the same hotkey for two different programs

 

 

From: Sharon
Sent: 26 August 2018 11:26
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Hot Keys

 

Would any of this have to do with the fact that when I create a hot key that opens IE and then Bookshare, the hot key discontinues working? This did not happen on my old win 10 machine, but only on the newer laptop.

On the laptop, it only works once. If I go back in and retype the hot key letters (which are already in that field), it works again, but again only once.

Also are hot keys Jaws or Windows related?

Sharon

 

Sharon

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 10:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser

 

On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 09:36 PM, Jeremy wrote:

You can't right click on the shortcut to a program and say, "Open with," something else.

And, you can't.  You can't for a URL shortcut, either.

If you want a URL shortcut to open with a dedicated browser you have to engineer it.

I have no time for arguing with someone who wishes to pick nits when I've given a rule that applies 100% of the time with regard to URL shortcuts that are created via "the usual methods" and are not custom tweaked afterward.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Hot Keys

Sharon
 

Would any of this have to do with the fact that when I create a hot key that opens IE and then Bookshare, the hot key discontinues working? This did not happen on my old win 10 machine, but only on the newer laptop.

On the laptop, it only works once. If I go back in and retype the hot key letters (which are already in that field), it works again, but again only once.

Also are hot keys Jaws or Windows related?

Sharon

 

Sharon

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 10:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser

 

On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 09:36 PM, Jeremy wrote:

You can't right click on the shortcut to a program and say, "Open with," something else.

And, you can't.  You can't for a URL shortcut, either.

If you want a URL shortcut to open with a dedicated browser you have to engineer it.

I have no time for arguing with someone who wishes to pick nits when I've given a rule that applies 100% of the time with regard to URL shortcuts that are created via "the usual methods" and are not custom tweaked afterward.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser

Ed Legge <edward.legge@...>
 

Jared, if I may, could you give me a little more instruction on the steps for using the f3 to do a search in my Outlook.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 09:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser

 

I’m sorry, but you’re obviously losing track of your own posts. What you stated I said, is actually your own words.

 

You may want to review this entire thread to understand where you went wrong. I believe I clearly posted the information, but for whatever reason you’re not accepting it and coming up with justifications to walk away from your misunderstanding.

 

Look, I’m not hear to argue, I want to help others, but there’s some knowledgeable people on these various lists whom experience a great amount of ego threat once their poor or incorrect suggestions are questioned. The goal of this list and similar lists is the accumulation of knowledge which will benefit the group and not a single individual. My apologies for not accurately considering the level to which my posts may come off to others. I will work on it, though I can’t predict how others will respond, nor can I satisfy everyone. It is also the responsibility of the reader not to take offense to a reply to their post; especially if it has proven to be incorrect.

 

My apologies to the list,

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 7:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser

 

On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 09:36 PM, Jeremy wrote:

You can't right click on the shortcut to a program and say, "Open with," something else.

And, you can't.  You can't for a URL shortcut, either.

If you want a URL shortcut to open with a dedicated browser you have to engineer it.

I have no time for arguing with someone who wishes to pick nits when I've given a rule that applies 100% of the time with regard to URL shortcuts that are created via "the usual methods" and are not custom tweaked afterward.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

I’m sorry, but you’re obviously losing track of your own posts. What you stated I said, is actually your own words.

 

You may want to review this entire thread to understand where you went wrong. I believe I clearly posted the information, but for whatever reason you’re not accepting it and coming up with justifications to walk away from your misunderstanding.

 

Look, I’m not hear to argue, I want to help others, but there’s some knowledgeable people on these various lists whom experience a great amount of ego threat once their poor or incorrect suggestions are questioned. The goal of this list and similar lists is the accumulation of knowledge which will benefit the group and not a single individual. My apologies for not accurately considering the level to which my posts may come off to others. I will work on it, though I can’t predict how others will respond, nor can I satisfy everyone. It is also the responsibility of the reader not to take offense to a reply to their post; especially if it has proven to be incorrect.

 

My apologies to the list,

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 7:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser

 

On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 09:36 PM, Jeremy wrote:

You can't right click on the shortcut to a program and say, "Open with," something else.

And, you can't.  You can't for a URL shortcut, either.

If you want a URL shortcut to open with a dedicated browser you have to engineer it.

I have no time for arguing with someone who wishes to pick nits when I've given a rule that applies 100% of the time with regard to URL shortcuts that are created via "the usual methods" and are not custom tweaked afterward.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill