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Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?
Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
Hi all,
Because this issue of a startup sound is of great concern to many people on these blindness related lists, all opinions will be given quite a bit of scrutiny, so here goes my opinion. J
One doesn’t really need any sort of confirmation the computer has shut down since one can hear the computer fans and alike no longer spinning, not to mention closing the lid will also insure a laptop is in sleep mode or shut down. One can also tap the keyboard to insure the computer has actually gone into shut down mode. It has not been a problem for me at all, and I’ve been using Windows 10 since day one on my very quiet laptop. I do admit that this issue did bother me at first, and I did all the crazy stuff many have tried including registry hacks that never did work or that Microsoft disabled upon next operating system upgrade.
The following utility did work very, very well and is 100% accessible. This utility will let you know when your computer is turning on and when it is shutting down—it says using the Narrator voice “hello” and “goodbye.” I originally installed it to play a short beep every hour on the hour as well as for automatically maximizing all Windows. This utility has lots of great features, and it is incredibly stable. I believe the software developer is a fellow blind person but nevertheless a very talented programmer. I should also add that I’m using this utility while my laptop is on fast startup.
Stassen - Stascom –
HTH
JR
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
While this is not directly JAWS related, the issue of lack of a "coming back from being shut down when using Fast Startup" sound, as well as the lack of the good, old-fashioned shutdown sound, under Windows 10 comes up repeatedly on virtually every screen reader related group I'm participating in. Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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Re: JAWS and Excel - problem reading cells still exists
Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
Alan,
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Thanks for taking the time to post such a great solution. I just made this very simple modification within Excel, and it works like a charm! Thank you for posting this information, and thanks goes out to Brandon or whomever discovered this solution. :) JR
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins via Groups.Io Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 9:57 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS and Excel - problem reading cells still exists Hello, Here are some notes I saved from Branden a while back which fixed this problem for me. Excel problem One issue we have encountered recently is with Editing text in Excel. This has generated some helpful discussion and testing by users of GitHub, and the NVDA e-mail group. For some Excel users, when pressing F2 to edit a cell, NVDA announces "Unknown". It then won't read any text in that cell. This seems to have started after a recent update from Microsoft. The workaround that seems to fix the issue for most users, is to uncheck "Allow editing directly in cells". Not everyone is experiencing this, but if you are, you can change this setting by doing the following: 1. Have Excel open. 2. Press "alt+f" to open the file menu then press "t" for the options. 3. Press "control+tab" until the focus is on the "Advanced" options page. 4. Press "alt+e" to toggle the "Allow editing directly in cells" option. Ensure that this is unchecked. 5. Press "enter" to save the changes. Editing cell contents should now work again. Note that in turning this setting off, does change things slightly for visual users: . With editing directly in cells enabled, when F2 is pressed, the caret appears in the cell itself. Text which would flow out of the cell flows to the right, then to lines below. Cells covered by this text are hidden while this happens. Text in the edited cell is coloured to highlight cell references and parenthesis. . With editing directly in cells disabled, when F2 is pressed, the caret appears in the formula bar above the worksheet. Colouring of formula elements is also done in the formula bar rather than the cell while editing. Only text which fits in the cell is visible in the cell while the formula is being edited. I hope this helps, Brandon -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Douglas C. DeCamp Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 8:36 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS and Excel - problem reading cells still exists JR, While my problem is slightly different, it also was still not fixed. Mine can't read cell formulas with references to other cells. I notified VFO that my incident has still not been fixed and they indicated the incident # would be upgraded again for another look. I provided them large amounts of doc a couple of months ago. I sure hope they get it this time as it causes me quite a bit of difficulty working around it. --hth --- DD -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 10:36 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: JAWS and Excel - problem reading cells still exists Hi all, I hope others have different results, but I'm still experiencing the problem of JAWS not being able to read text in cells within Excel when I press F2. I have discovered that if I type 8 characters or less, I can press F2 and arrow through the letters and make my edits. If the cell contains a word or words with more than 8 characters, and if I press F2, JAWS cannot read the text inside the cell. It appears it's the number of characters in a cell that trips up JAWS. Hmm, for whatever reason it seems as though VFO is struggling to fix this problem since it has existed for quite a bit of time and different versions of JAWS. JR
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Re: JAWS and Excel - problem reading cells still exists
Alan Robbins
Hello,
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Here are some notes I saved from Branden a while back which fixed this problem for me. Excel problem One issue we have encountered recently is with Editing text in Excel. This has generated some helpful discussion and testing by users of GitHub, and the NVDA e-mail group. For some Excel users, when pressing F2 to edit a cell, NVDA announces "Unknown". It then won't read any text in that cell. This seems to have started after a recent update from Microsoft. The workaround that seems to fix the issue for most users, is to uncheck "Allow editing directly in cells". Not everyone is experiencing this, but if you are, you can change this setting by doing the following: 1. Have Excel open. 2. Press "alt+f" to open the file menu then press "t" for the options. 3. Press "control+tab" until the focus is on the "Advanced" options page. 4. Press "alt+e" to toggle the "Allow editing directly in cells" option. Ensure that this is unchecked. 5. Press "enter" to save the changes. Editing cell contents should now work again. Note that in turning this setting off, does change things slightly for visual users: . With editing directly in cells enabled, when F2 is pressed, the caret appears in the cell itself. Text which would flow out of the cell flows to the right, then to lines below. Cells covered by this text are hidden while this happens. Text in the edited cell is coloured to highlight cell references and parenthesis. . With editing directly in cells disabled, when F2 is pressed, the caret appears in the formula bar above the worksheet. Colouring of formula elements is also done in the formula bar rather than the cell while editing. Only text which fits in the cell is visible in the cell while the formula is being edited. I hope this helps, Brandon
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Douglas C. DeCamp Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 8:36 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS and Excel - problem reading cells still exists JR, While my problem is slightly different, it also was still not fixed. Mine can't read cell formulas with references to other cells. I notified VFO that my incident has still not been fixed and they indicated the incident # would be upgraded again for another look. I provided them large amounts of doc a couple of months ago. I sure hope they get it this time as it causes me quite a bit of difficulty working around it. --hth --- DD -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 10:36 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: JAWS and Excel - problem reading cells still exists Hi all, I hope others have different results, but I'm still experiencing the problem of JAWS not being able to read text in cells within Excel when I press F2. I have discovered that if I type 8 characters or less, I can press F2 and arrow through the letters and make my edits. If the cell contains a word or words with more than 8 characters, and if I press F2, JAWS cannot read the text inside the cell. It appears it's the number of characters in a cell that trips up JAWS. Hmm, for whatever reason it seems as though VFO is struggling to fix this problem since it has existed for quite a bit of time and different versions of JAWS. JR
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Re: JAWS and Excel - problem reading cells still exists
Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
Yes, I always perform all Office accessibility tweaks on all the machines I work on. :)
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JR
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 7:50 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS and Excel - problem reading cells still exists JR, just a suggestion, did you disable the back stage view setting? I don't know if there are other settings to disable (like the preview pane I've heard) that might help. what version of JAWS and Excel are you using? -------- Original Message -------- From: Jeremy [mailto:jeremy.richards7@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, Aug 22, 2018 12:12 AM EST To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: JAWS and Excel - problem reading cells still exists Yes, good suggestion, but I did not have to expand any column in the past. Thanks, JR -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Tessore Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 9:04 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS and Excel - problem reading cells still exists I don’t know if this is the cause of your issue, but it may be worth looking at. When I was still able to use ZoomText I learned that unless I expanded the width of a column I couldn’t see all the characters in the cell. Expanding that column would reveal that text I KNEW was there. Shalom, Bill Tessore billtessore@gmail.com On Aug 21, 2018, at 8:35 PM, Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com> wrote: Hi all, I hope others have different results, but I'm still experiencing the problem of JAWS not being able to read text in cells within Excel when I press F2. I have discovered that if I type 8 characters or less, I can press F2 and arrow through the letters and make my edits. If the cell contains a word or words with more than 8 characters, and if I press F2, JAWS cannot read the text inside the cell. It appears it's the number of characters in a cell that trips up JAWS. Hmm, for whatever reason it seems as though VFO is struggling to fix this problem since it has existed for quite a bit of time and different versions of JAWS. JR .
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Re: JAWS and Excel - problem reading cells still exists
Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
Please carefully review my original message on this topic for an explanation
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of what might be happening on your computer. By the way, I originally forgot to mention that my comments are associated with the new JAWS 2018 August update. JR
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 5:46 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS and Excel - problem reading cells still exists When I press F2 on a particular cell, Jaws will read everything in that cell. Yet some of the cells I cannot arrow character by character. Has anyone heard of this problem? -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 10:36 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: JAWS and Excel - problem reading cells still exists Hi all, I hope others have different results, but I'm still experiencing the problem of JAWS not being able to read text in cells within Excel when I press F2. I have discovered that if I type 8 characters or less, I can press F2 and arrow through the letters and make my edits. If the cell contains a word or words with more than 8 characters, and if I press F2, JAWS cannot read the text inside the cell. It appears it's the number of characters in a cell that trips up JAWS. Hmm, for whatever reason it seems as though VFO is struggling to fix this problem since it has existed for quite a bit of time and different versions of JAWS. JR
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out look express
Joe Stinton <stintonjoe@...>
hi all
I am using out look express windows 10 and
jaws 18
so when a mail comes in jaws doesnt say
which of my mails are read and unread, I think on my last Pc I had to lable
some sort of symbal or icon but I cant recall how i did this, so can any one
tell me what I need to do to make jaws tell me which of my mails are
unread.
so thats my first question now my second one is if
I try to check my spelling and grammar normaly I would press f7 and
it would do it but this isnt working and if i go to tools the
spelling and grammar option is disabled. but it works ok in microsoft
word,.
so can any one offer any advice ?
thanks in advance Joe
thanks in advance Joe
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Re: Can I mask some extra chatter?
Not saying it’s not a good idea to ask here, we have a lot of smart people and Jaws experts here, but if you don’t get the answer you are looking for I would definitely try Jaws Tech Support, they might be able to help.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 7:31 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Can I mask some extra chatter?
I went and looked, I am using the intermediate setting. What sort of information would I be looking to turn off that would result in hearing Read Only. What sort of information is this?
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Ashleigh Piccinino
Can you use your JAWS verbosity settings? I think this is in the setting center, but I am not sure.
Get Outlook for iOS From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Jessica D <jldail13@...>
Hi, is this part of a website.
if so, you “might” be able to use flexible web.
thanks, Jessica
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Re: JAWS and Excel - problem reading cells still exists
Mario
JR, just a suggestion, did you disable the back stage view setting? I
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don't know if there are other settings to disable (like the preview pane I've heard) that might help. what version of JAWS and Excel are you using?
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From: Jeremy [mailto:jeremy.richards7@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, Aug 22, 2018 12:12 AM EST To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: JAWS and Excel - problem reading cells still exists Yes, good suggestion, but I did not have to expand any column in the past. Thanks, JR -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Tessore Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 9:04 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS and Excel - problem reading cells still exists I don’t know if this is the cause of your issue, but it may be worth looking at. When I was still able to use ZoomText I learned that unless I expanded the width of a column I couldn’t see all the characters in the cell. Expanding that column would reveal that text I KNEW was there. Shalom, Bill Tessore billtessore@gmail.com On Aug 21, 2018, at 8:35 PM, Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com> wrote: Hi all, I hope others have different results, but I'm still experiencing the problem of JAWS not being able to read text in cells within Excel when I press F2. I have discovered that if I type 8 characters or less, I can press F2 and arrow through the letters and make my edits. If the cell contains a word or words with more than 8 characters, and if I press F2, JAWS cannot read the text inside the cell. It appears it's the number of characters in a cell that trips up JAWS. Hmm, for whatever reason it seems as though VFO is struggling to fix this problem since it has existed for quite a bit of time and different versions of JAWS. JR .
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Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?
John Covici
Crashplan was always partially accessible, but I gave it up when they
abolished the feature to send you a disk in case of a disaster and you could not really do a full system image on it and it became very slow over time. On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 09:11:34 -0400, Steve Nutt wrote: -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@ccs.covici.com
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"Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?
While this is not directly JAWS related, the issue of lack of a "coming back from being shut down when using Fast Startup" sound, as well as the lack of the good, old-fashioned shutdown sound, under Windows 10 comes up repeatedly on virtually every screen reader related group I'm participating in.
I have just created feedback related to both, and here's the click-through link to the Windows 10 Feedback Hub for it (which, of course, only works for Windows 10 users): "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one? If this is an accessibility issue for you, please review this feedback and upvote it so that it will garner more attention. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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Re: Can I mask some extra chatter?
Shannon
I went and looked, I am using the intermediate setting. What sort of information would I be looking to turn off that would result in hearing Read Only. What sort of information is this?
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ashleigh Piccinino
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 9:13 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Can I mask some extra chatter?
Can you use your JAWS verbosity settings? I think this is in the setting center, but I am not sure.
Get Outlook for iOS From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Jessica D <jldail13@...>
Hi, is this part of a website.
if so, you “might” be able to use flexible web.
thanks, Jessica
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Re: Is it possible
Terrie Terlau
I currently use Office 2016 with Windows 2007 with no problems. Terrie Terlau
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 10:48 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is it possible
Yes, with 100% certainty, Office 2016 will work on Windows7.
JR
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Hello, I need to use my old laptop until my new one gets fixed. Will Office 2016 work with Windows 7? Right now it has Office 2010.
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Re: Can I mask some extra chatter?
Shannon
Thanks, No it is a desk top program. They have a version for the web but it is not fully functional yet.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 9:09 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Can I mask some extra chatter?
Hi, is this part of a website.
if so, you “might” be able to use flexible web.
thanks, Jessica
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Re: Can I mask some extra chatter?
Ashleigh Piccinino
Can you use your JAWS verbosity settings? I think this is in the setting center, but I am not sure.
Get Outlook for iOS
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Jessica D <jldail13@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 9:08:53 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Can I mask some extra chatter? Hi,
is this part of a website.
if so, you “might” be able to use flexible web.
thanks,
Jessica
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Re: Can I mask some extra chatter?
Jessica D <jldail13@...>
Hi,
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is this part of a website. if so, you “might” be able to use flexible web. thanks, Jessica
On Aug 22, 2018, at 9:58 AM, Shannon <shannon@...> wrote:
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Can I mask some extra chatter?
Shannon
Hello all. I am using Jaws 2018 with the update from Yesterday. This was happening before the latest update, but it is pretty annoying and slows things down. There is a program we use for time tracking. In this program is a table of locations that employees clock in and out of. Each job can be GPS’ed to make sure the employee is where he said he was. The indication that a location has or has not been assigned its GPS is indicated with a Check Box. Here is the speech history when I arrow down the table of locations. row 60 Read Only
It would be nicer and a bit faster to cut a few words out of this feedback. In particular the phrase Read Only. Is there a way to stop Jaws from saying this? Thanks Shannon
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Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?
Steve Nutt
Is it accessible?
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All the best Steve
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura Sent: 22 August 2018 13:33 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws? What about CrashPlan? It's 1.5 times the price of an annual one-terabyte Dropbox plan, but has no limits. Or none that I've been able to find. On 8/20/2018 1:33 PM, Jeremy wrote: That much data will likely cost you quite a bit of cash to upload to cloud storage such as OneDrive, Dropbox, Carbonite, etc., not to mention the amount of time it will take to upload the information. If you're not constantly modifying the data, then the previous cloud storage solutions will not be all that useful to you. I suggest purchasing external hard drives. I have always purchased Western Digital Black or Seagate drives and never had a problem. For data backup you will not want to skimp on quality. :) Take a look at the following drive:
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Re: JAWS and Excel - problem reading cells still exists
Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...>
When I press F2 on a particular cell, Jaws will read everything in that
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cell. Yet some of the cells I cannot arrow character by character. Has anyone heard of this problem?
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 10:36 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: JAWS and Excel - problem reading cells still exists Hi all, I hope others have different results, but I'm still experiencing the problem of JAWS not being able to read text in cells within Excel when I press F2. I have discovered that if I type 8 characters or less, I can press F2 and arrow through the letters and make my edits. If the cell contains a word or words with more than 8 characters, and if I press F2, JAWS cannot read the text inside the cell. It appears it's the number of characters in a cell that trips up JAWS. Hmm, for whatever reason it seems as though VFO is struggling to fix this problem since it has existed for quite a bit of time and different versions of JAWS. JR
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Re: JAWS and Excel - problem reading cells still exists
Douglas C. DeCamp
JR,
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While my problem is slightly different, it also was still not fixed. Mine can't read cell formulas with references to other cells. I notified VFO that my incident has still not been fixed and they indicated the incident # would be upgraded again for another look. I provided them large amounts of doc a couple of months ago. I sure hope they get it this time as it causes me quite a bit of difficulty working around it. --hth --- DD
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 10:36 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: JAWS and Excel - problem reading cells still exists Hi all, I hope others have different results, but I'm still experiencing the problem of JAWS not being able to read text in cells within Excel when I press F2. I have discovered that if I type 8 characters or less, I can press F2 and arrow through the letters and make my edits. If the cell contains a word or words with more than 8 characters, and if I press F2, JAWS cannot read the text inside the cell. It appears it's the number of characters in a cell that trips up JAWS. Hmm, for whatever reason it seems as though VFO is struggling to fix this problem since it has existed for quite a bit of time and different versions of JAWS. JR
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Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?
Steve Matzura
What about CrashPlan? It's 1.5 times the price of an annual one-terabyte Dropbox plan, but has no limits. Or none that I've been able to find.
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On 8/20/2018 1:33 PM, Jeremy wrote:
That much data will likely cost you quite a bit of cash to upload to cloud storage such as OneDrive, Dropbox, Carbonite, etc., not to mention the amount of time it will take to upload the information. If you're not constantly modifying the data, then the previous cloud storage solutions will not be all that useful to you. I suggest purchasing external hard drives. I have always purchased Western Digital Black or Seagate drives and never had a problem. For data backup you will not want to skimp on quality. :) Take a look at the following drive:
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