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Adobe Accessibility Setup Assistant

Jonas Voll
 

Hey!

I am having problems with Adobe DC & Accessibility Setup Assistant in Adobe!

Evry time I open Adobe DC it starts with the Accessibility Setup Assistant!

Any one having the problem with Accessibility Setup Assistant in Adobe?

 

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Braille edge 40 and jaws

david
 

Good morning all;

A friend wants me to assist her in setting up her braille display with the current version of jaws.

I understand to setup the braille display I need to go to synthesizer and braille manager,

once I do this, is there a setting to change so she can use the display to type instead of using the laptop keyboard?

In advance thanks for the help.

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 


Re: Really really simple backup question

 

Sharon,

I'm going to give it a shot at answering your questions, one by one, and including a bit of information about "the question I think you were trying to ask" in addition to what was literally there.  The questions will all be repeated, with a > at the beginning of the question quotation.

> What is the difference between a backup, a differential backup, an integral backup, a system backup?

           A generic "backup" could be nothing other than copying files off to another drive by hand, but that's really not what the focus of the latest go-rounds was, nor will be here.

           A system image backup is, essentially, a snapshot of your computer's state:  all installed software, including the operating system, user accounts, all data associated with all user accounts, etc., taken at a given point in time and saved in a format that would allow you to restore that state, exactly, if you had a catastrophic failure of your hard drive and needed to replace it.

           Both differential and incremental backups are backups taken after a full system image backup, that collect the changes that have occurred since that last system image backup, but in slightly different ways.  Please see the article, Incremental vs differential backup – what is the difference?, which explains the differences better than I can and in non-technical terms.

> What if I wanted to get a complete backup of my system, and had no idea at all which program to get?

            This is sort of the crux of the earlier discussions.   Clearly Image for Windows is great and accessible if you are willing and able to pay just under $40 for it.  But if you can't, my parallel thread about other options, whether fully accessible or just accessible for maintaining your backups, is in its infancy.  Watch that space.

> Where would be even a good starting point for a person who has never once done an image or complete backup?

             I guess my only answer is deciding whether you wish to purchase backup software or to use a free version.  Then to decide whether whatever you use has to be 100% accessible or whether you can live with having an assistant to help you set up the system image backup and/or user data backup and, heaven forbid but it could happen, do the recovery.

>  Would I need an external drive with nothing else on it?

              You definitely need an external drive.   If you are using backup software, which I highly recommend, it can have lots of other stuff on it.  The backups will be placed in a folder of their own.

               I do not recommend disc cloning, which requires an external drive that's dedicated to nothing but the backup, and, ideally, would not be a regular external backup drive but a regular disc drive you could "pop in" to your machine for which you would purchase a USB enclosure where it would live while being used as an external backup drive.

> Is the Microsoft product a good starting place for a person who has never done anything like this before?

                This question is a bit to vague to answer as posed.   Microsoft includes a built-in backup and recovery that's been around since Windows 7, at least.  They have, however, stated that it is officially deprecated and state that users should seek out third party options, which is why I don't discuss it.  This utility was for system image backup and recovery.

                 File History, which exists under Windows 10 (and Windows 8.1, I think), is an excellent starting place for taking user data backups.  I just suggest that those starting out with File History pay very careful attention to both the frequency of backup and the backup retention period.  The default frequency is hourly, which is way too often for your average home user, and retention is forever, which is a space hog particularly if you know you really generally only care about the most recent version of a file once it's more than so old.  This is why I suggest retention of three months, as this will keep all versions of the same file in File History that are younger than three months old then, as the oldest version becomes three months and one day (or more) old it gets booted out.  Versions older than your retention period get booted out successively until what's left is only the most recent version of the file from the date you last touched it.   The retention period is NOT about the age of the current and last copy of the file, but of its previous versions that were collected along the way.  The current and last version will be retained until or unless it is deleted or, if you start working on it again, as versions with the changes you've done.

By the way, I saw your comment about knowing that you don't necessarily expect total accessibility, but I thought a comprehensive answer for other readers would be useful.  Your options are a lot wider in this situation, and I can still recommend EaseUS To Do Backup Free without hesitation if you don't object to needing assistance with the setup of your backup regimen nor if recovery were ever necessary.  The part you have to deal with to take successive full system images, or incremental backups, is entirely accessible.  I don't think the free version supports differential backup, but I could be mistaken.   My own protocol is generally to take full system image backups about once per month, then deleting any of these older than the previous month's backups since I wouldn't want anything from "the wayback machine" if I have a more recent backup.

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: Seeking phone editor that works well with JAWS

Steve Matzura
 

Phone editor?Don't you mean just a plain old waveform / audio file editor? Have you tried Gold Wave?

On 8/16/2018 7:13 PM, Craig Cooper wrote:
Greetings,
I am trying to find the most efficient phone editing program to work
with JAWS. As part of my job at a radio station, I record calls that
come in, edit them for playback, and play back the call on air. I
have been working with Audacity for a week or so. It is free and
works fairly well with JAWS, but it also tends to crash frequently.
It is not hard to re-launch it, but it does take precious time, as I
frequently have to quickly edit a call for play back.
Your suggestions/recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you very much.
Craig


Re: Does juice still work with jaws when using windows10?

Hope Williamson <isepic@...>
 

Hi, the podcatcher from http://www.webbie.org.uk/ is what I use.


Really really simple backup question

Sharon
 

I have read all of the posts and have understood about ten percent of the information.

So let me ask a few really simple questions for those of us who were very lost through these whole conversations.

 

So far, I’ve just backed up certain folders I really cared about on to an external hard drive, but this meant that my contacts and email files from Outlook were not backed up and also my programs.

 

What is the difference between a backup, a differential backup, an integral backup, a system backup?

I’m totally lost.

What if I wanted to get a complete backup of my system, and had no idea at all which program to get?

Where would be even a good starting point for a person who has never once done an image or complete backup? By that I mean like a picture of the whole system?

I don’t even know if I’m asking these questions correctly!

But I’m pretty lost and would like to attempt this.

Would I need an external drive with nothing else on it?

Is the Microsoft product a good starting place for a person who has never done anything like this before?

Or would one of the other programs you mentioned be a better starting place?

I don’t expect total accessibility and know I might need sighted assistance.

Sharon

 

Sharon

 


Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

 

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 09:34 AM, Maria Campbell wrote:
If it's frustrating for those who care, how much more frustrating is it for those who don't?
Maria,

           Those who don't have had the option to mute a thread since day one.   I have posted, repeatedly, about how to control the e-mail messages you (the generic you, not you, Maria) get from Groups.io.    Here it is again:

                        Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io

 


             If any reader of Groups.io is lazy enough not to bother to learn the features that would make their lives much easier, that are easily accessed, and have been explained in detail then that's really no one's problem but their own.  I'm certainly not going to take the slightest bit of responsibility for someone saying, "my inbox is flooded," because they've had the ability to control that and elected not to use it.

             I'm sure I'll be posting that set of instructions until the cows come home, but even that's a favor.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

 

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 06:45 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:
Re your comment about downloading and booting the WinPE and trying to start some kind of speech on it, if I didn't imply or specifically state this before, there's nought you have to do to start NVDA on that thing. If you would just follow some of your own advice and read, really and truly read, the provided documentation before cranking it up, you'll be quite pleased with the results. Back in the old days, the watchword was always RTFM--read the fine manual.
I did not get from your comments that the opopanax version of WinPE just came up with speech.  This goes back to exactly what I said, and I'll say it again, about needing to know that you've got to have special purpose tools and have them at the ready before you use them.   Had never heard about this prior to your posts, and it's great to know about.

With regard to documentation, I'm right with you, but that can only happen once one actually has something in hand.  I downloaded both the documentation and WinPE from that site yesterday, but to say I should be reading the documentation when the conversation was actually occurring is putting the proverbial cart before the horse.  I had no idea that the speech part "just occurred" until you were explicit about that.  That is one of the things, if you go back and review my messages, I asked about, repeatedly, to get information about from individuals who've used it.  I do a lot of experimenting, but I honestly don't have the time to try out everything myself as a standard operating procedure, and getting information from experienced users, in neatly condensed form, is often what determines whether I will explore something further.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Maria Campbell
 

If it's frustrating for those who care, how much more frustrating is it for those who don't?


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 8/17/2018 9:30 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 06:45 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:
Could you, would you, please tell me in more substantive terms, such as, it's straight ahead, down the block. Oh, right ... it's behind you and across the street.
And this is what I heard in a lot of those back and forths.  People were not understanding.  Different perspectives.

And I hasten to add, again, that I'm one of the people most frustrated by same question, same question, same question, same answer, same answer, same answer.

There was also a lot of cross-purposes, too.  Any time computer technology is being talked about having a clear idea of the thing being talked about is vital.  Scope creep, as we used to call it, always leads to chaos.

This particular medium is also awful for trying to piece together fragments of information spread across a great many posts.  And it's worse when the same information gets repeated, but just slightly differently enough that you're not certain that the same thing has been said, at least twice.  When you lather, rinse, repeat that cycle . . .
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

 

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 06:45 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:
Could you, would you, please tell me in more substantive terms, such as, it's straight ahead, down the block. Oh, right ... it's behind you and across the street.
And this is what I heard in a lot of those back and forths.  People were not understanding.  Different perspectives.

And I hasten to add, again, that I'm one of the people most frustrated by same question, same question, same question, same answer, same answer, same answer.

There was also a lot of cross-purposes, too.  Any time computer technology is being talked about having a clear idea of the thing being talked about is vital.  Scope creep, as we used to call it, always leads to chaos.

This particular medium is also awful for trying to piece together fragments of information spread across a great many posts.  And it's worse when the same information gets repeated, but just slightly differently enough that you're not certain that the same thing has been said, at least twice.  When you lather, rinse, repeat that cycle . . .
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: Seeking phone editor that works well with JAWS

Dan Longmore
 

 Make sure all visual and metering effects are turned off. These can cause screen readers fits. Gold wave is a good choice, audacity should work however check on these settings. 


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Craig Cooper <craigcooper2013@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 7:13:15 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Seeking phone editor that works well with JAWS
 
Greetings,
I am trying to find the most efficient phone editing program to work
with JAWS.  As part of my job at a radio station, I record calls that
come in, edit them for playback, and play back the call on air.  I
have been working with Audacity for a week or so.  It is free and
works fairly well with JAWS, but it also tends to crash frequently.
It is not hard to re-launch it, but it does take precious time, as I
frequently have to quickly edit a call for play back.
Your suggestions/recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you very much.
Craig




Re: Seeking phone editor that works well with JAWS

Richard Turner
 

Have you tried GoldWave?
It has Jaws scripts that are available on the Jaws public script site, which I'd have to search for again, but GoldWave can be completely driven from the keyboard. www.goldwave.com
It is about $50 for a registered copied that has no limits, but you can try it for free. That is a one time charge. I bought it over 10 years ago and even though he has made major updates, he has never asked for any more money.
Richard


"I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it." -- Terry Pratchett



[Sent from my little hand-held computer]



On Aug 17, 2018, at 5:06 AM, Craig Cooper <craigcooper2013@...> wrote:

Greetings,
I am trying to find the most efficient phone editing program to work
with JAWS.  As part of my job at a radio station, I record calls that
come in, edit them for playback, and play back the call on air.  I
have been working with Audacity for a week or so.  It is free and
works fairly well with JAWS, but it also tends to crash frequently.
It is not hard to re-launch it, but it does take precious time, as I
frequently have to quickly edit a call for play back.
Your suggestions/recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you very much.
Craig




moving Outlook folders

Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...>
 

Hello, I’m using windows10 and Office 2016. I created a new email address and would like to move the folders under the old email address to the new one. Is there a way to do the move?


Seeking phone editor that works well with JAWS

Craig Cooper
 

Greetings,
I am trying to find the most efficient phone editing program to work
with JAWS. As part of my job at a radio station, I record calls that
come in, edit them for playback, and play back the call on air. I
have been working with Audacity for a week or so. It is free and
works fairly well with JAWS, but it also tends to crash frequently.
It is not hard to re-launch it, but it does take precious time, as I
frequently have to quickly edit a call for play back.
Your suggestions/recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you very much.
Craig


Re: Backup Software - Semi-Accessible

Nino Dagostino
 

Hi:

I use file history, I also have image for windows.

I have so much data to do a file backup with image for windows takes a long time.

I tried to do a backup where only the files that have changed get backuped by image for windows.

I like file history.

Thanks for all your help on the list.

Have a good day.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 6:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Backup Software - Semi-Accessible

IFW can do all three kinds of backups--image, differential, and incremental. it does *not* do file or directory backups. Your File History program sounds like a must-have, too.


On 8/16/2018 8:30 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I'm starting this thread in it hopes that it might address an issue
brought up on another thread, that of incremental backups, as well as
addressing what's "accessible enough."

I'm starting this out with saying that I'm a complete realist: The
lucky among us will never need our backups, setting up backups for a
given system - whether for a full system image, user data backups, or
both - is typically a one-time affair, and actual recovery after a
catastrophic failure is likely to be very difficult, even if 100%
accessible, for the uninitiated. Thus, my focus on accessibility
when pushed will always be on the end user being able to run their
backups 100% independently once they've been configured. The
configuration of backups and recovery using them will very likely
require an assistant. I hasten to add that this applies just as much
to those who are sighted as those who are not. Even if assistance is
required for "the far ends" that's a far preferable way to have
things, while you're maintaining your backups, than to simply avoid
having backups. The more precious your data and, probably to a lesser
extent, but still, your time the more critical it is to have a backup
protocol using some sort of backup software for your system itself and
your user data.

Under Windows 10, for user data backup I haven't found anything I like
better than File History, and I've used others. It's about as
straightforward as it comes in keeping user data backups. You simply
have to decide how frequently you wish to have your files backed up
(for me, once a day is more than enough, the default is hourly), and
how long you want to keep the versions of the same file that get
backed up (for me three months is plenty; I've never needed any
version that was older than that, and the "latest" version of files
untouched will be kept forever unless you delete them, no matter when
you made your final tweaks).

I would be curious about what individuals are actually using that may
not be 100% accessible, end to end, but that is completely accessible
for maintaining active system image backups and/or data backups.

Specifically useful would be knowing if the software was paid/free, if
it's a free version whether it supports incremental and/or
differential backups [and these are not the same]. For those wanting
to know the difference between the two, run this duckduckgo search:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=incremental+versus+differential+backups and
look at the second returned result first (or at least that's my
favorite; the first isn't bad either). There are scads of general
discussions of the differences and each of the "big boys of backup"
talking about what they are and how to set them up.

There have got to be folks using not-100% accessible software to
maintain backups, praying that they'll be lucky and never need them
anyway. If so, please offer your experiences.


Searching the computer file

Nino Dagostino
 

When you do a search by pressing the windows key and letting up on it, can you set the file manager to search the computer and not the web.

 

Thank you so much.

 

Have a good day.

 

 


Re: Backup Software - Semi-Accessible

Steve Matzura
 

IFW  can do all three kinds of backups--image, differential, and incremental. it does *not* do file or directory backups. Your File History program sounds like a must-have, too.

On 8/16/2018 8:30 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I'm starting this thread in it hopes that it might address an issue brought up on another thread, that of incremental backups, as well as addressing what's "accessible enough."

I'm starting this out with saying that I'm a complete realist: The lucky among us will never need our backups, setting up backups for a given system - whether for a full system image, user data backups, or both - is typically a one-time affair, and actual recovery after a catastrophic failure is likely to be very difficult, even if 100% accessible, for the uninitiated.   Thus, my focus on accessibility when pushed will always be on the end user being able to run their backups 100% independently once they've been configured.  The configuration of backups and recovery using them will very likely require an assistant.  I hasten to add that this applies just as much to those who are sighted as those who are not.   Even if assistance is required for "the far ends" that's a far preferable way to have things, while you're maintaining your backups, than to simply avoid having backups.  The more precious your data and, probably to a lesser extent, but still, your time the more critical it is to have a backup protocol using some sort of backup software for your system itself and your user data.

Under Windows 10, for user data backup I haven't found anything I like better than File History, and I've used others.  It's about as straightforward as it comes in keeping user data backups.  You simply have to decide how frequently you wish to have your files backed up (for me, once a day is more than enough, the default is hourly), and how long you want to keep the versions of the same file that get backed up (for me three months is plenty; I've never needed any version that was older than that, and the "latest" version of files untouched will be kept forever unless you delete them, no matter when you made your final tweaks).

I would be curious about what individuals are actually using that may not be 100% accessible, end to end, but that is completely accessible for maintaining active system image backups and/or data backups.

Specifically useful would be knowing if the software was paid/free, if it's a free version whether it supports incremental and/or differential backups [and these are not the same].  For those wanting to know the difference between the two, run this duckduckgo search: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=incremental+versus+differential+backups and look at the second returned result first (or at least that's my favorite; the first isn't bad either).  There are scads of general discussions of the differences and each of the "big boys of backup" talking about what they are and how to set them up.

There have got to be folks using not-100% accessible software to maintain backups, praying that they'll be lucky and never need them anyway.  If so, please offer your experiences.


Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Steve Matzura
 

OH David, I'm with ya on that! There's a difference between answering the same question over and over, and replying to a message that says the answer(s) is (or were) not understood. I have no problem with the latter; it's the former gives me fits. LOL. Example: where's the store? First answerer: over there. Where's the store? Second answerer: Did you not hear the person who just told you it's over there? Where's the store? Third answerer: Dammit, I just heard two people tell you. One more time, it's over freaking there! Second example: Where's the store? It's over there. Sorry, I can't see where you're pointing. Could you, would you, please tell me in more substantive terms, such as, it's straight ahead, down the block. Oh, right ... it's behind you and across the street. There were just so many back-and-forths yesterday just like that. I got the impression nobody was reading anything.


On 8/16/2018 6:35 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

Playing devil’s advocate as they say, if the same answer is given and it does not answer the question, what good is it.  It would be like a blind person asking for directions and the sighted person just says, “Over there!”  Makes no difference how many times that sighted person says, “Over there” The blind person will not understand the directions. What’s involved, the person asking the question to be specific in what they want, then listening to the response and the person giving the answer has to be listening to the question in the first place not just rabbiting on with some scripted answer.  I have talked to such people so am not making that analysis up.  Communication goes both ways.  If a person brought in their computer or phoned into a help line and the person at the other end asked what the problem was, then got the response, “It does not work.” That is far too vague and it is up to the person asking to draw the person out.    




Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Steve Matzura
 

Brian, et al.:


While JAWS is useful to access programs to make backups, restoring one's system disk using JAWS as one's screenreader is next to not possible. There are backup programs that create a special partition in which JAWS can be installed and run so boot-drive restores can be done using it, but most of the programs that offer this facility aren't accessible, with or without JAWS. That's why one needs to know one's options for booting external media that has a screenreader installed on it. The Windows Pre-installation Environment is just one of those options. If one has Windows 10 version 1803, Narrator is a viable alternative.


Re your comment about downloading and booting the WinPE and trying to start some kind of speech on it, if I didn't imply or specifically state this before, there's nought you have to do to start NVDA on that thing. If you would just follow some of your own advice and read, really and truly read, the provided documentation before cranking it up, you'll be quite pleased with the results. Back in the old days, the watchword was always RTFM--read the fine manual. Unfortunately, many manuals were poorly written and in a lot of cases woefully incomplete and sometimes out-of-date for the programs they documented, so many people fell out of this practice. But today, things are vastly better, and the programs those manuals document are vastly more complex, so manual-reading is, in my unhumble opinion, a must for first-timers, and a good place to go to get quick and accurate answers for even us crusty curmudgeon veterans. It never ceases to confound me as to why someone would buy a piece of technology and not want to learn as much about it as they could from its provided documentation. OK, I own a television, but while I don't care or even need to care about how TV works, I do know and care about how to use it--its menus, options, what media it can play, what it can connect to, etc. If folks would do a bit more manual-reading, and asking questions about what they read that they don't understand, people would get a lot more work done  in a lot less time. These computers with which we all have love-hate relationships, they ain't toasters, ya know. That is to say, they're complex machines that require care and occasional maintenance.

On 8/16/2018 5:36 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 03:27 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
That is the reason behind my frustration--not that you asked the questions--no, not at all--but that others asked them, I and others answered them, yet the same questions keep coming up in the thread, which indicates to me that nobody's reading the messages.
Trust me, no one more than myself understands and shares this frustration.  I am virtually driven mad on the various blind technology lists I'm on by the frequency of the same question being asked, or the same answer being given (and, yes, this is frustrating) over, and over, and over again because folks just won't read through an entire thread before making their next contribution.  I've said this, more than once, but it falls on deaf ears.  It makes understanding a conversation, and particularly in retrospect if reviewing an archive, hellishly more difficult.

The point I am now trying to make, and was trying to make, is that the nature of the information shared on this thread has been fragmentary, at best, and not entirely clear.

I full well intend to download the Windows PE from the sites mentioned and see if I can fire up either Narrator or NVDA or any kind of speech, as I have never experienced this firsthand and will openly admit that I "won't believe it until I hear it."

I am also frustrated by the fact that it seems a very large number of participants do not understand the difference between Windows 10 bootable media, which allows one to use Windows System Protection to attempt to roll back to a prior restore point, or to do things like trying to repair startup, with Windows PE, which is an entirely different animal used for entirely different (or at least almost entirely different) reasons.

I've been in this business for decades now, and when people are saying that you can do something that has, historically, been impossible it is really, really helpful if they can be crystal clear about what special workarounds are required (and it sounds like the alternate WinPE is one of those) and the specific steps needed to "pull it all together" even if a tutorial is not presented at the time.

Even though it's "heresy" on a JAWS forum, I don't care one whit whether the pre-Windows steps are accessible with JAWS or not.  I just care that they are accessible in some way with tools that can be obtained by anyone that needs them, at no cost, and are fairly straightforward for that demographic.  Very often "single environment" tools are required to do anything prior to the booting of the OS with which one is intimately (or not so intimately) familiar.
 


Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Steve Matzura
 

Narrator is now available in Safe Mode.  I think that came with 1803.


On 8/16/2018 4:07 PM, Mich Verrier wrote:

It was always my understanding that you can’t do anything in regards to working in something like safe moad or backing up a pc with out sighted help since the drivers for speech are not loaded. Having said that though I don’t have the tecknickle know how to do sutch a thing anyways. I have of korce as others have said herd that nvda and other things can be used how ever agree that I have not seen it dun and I also have not seen a step by step tutorial of how to do it that works every time across every system. From Mich.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: August 16, 2018 3:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

 

 

Brian is right about this issue.  I have been requesting a tutorial or demonstration on how to restore a backup image from an external drive without sighted help of any kind for years, but nobody has taken the bait, probably because despite claims to the contrary, it cannot be done by an average blind computer user or else does not work on all systems.  I think this is all hypothetical.  .  And in any event it most definitely cannot be done using JAWS.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 2:45 PM

Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

 

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 02:34 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

I'm going to explode if I have to answer this again. Please read all the other messages in this thread.

I have, and you mentioned, here, that there is a version of Windows PE, and clearly a custom one, that has NVDA speech enabled.  This would not be the one that any backup and recovery tool taken "off the shelf" and if you used it to create recovery media would use.

I have not seen a single "unreasonable question" with regard to asking you, and you directly, for a step-by-step, comprehensive tutorial regarding what you do and how you do it.

I stand by my earlier statements that without an awful lot of specialized knowledge it is highly unlikely that the random blind or visually impaired user using "off the shelf" Windows PE recovery will have speech enabled and also have no idea of how/where to get it.

I thank you, and others, profusely for giving information about a Windows PE environment that has speech with NVDA, at the very least.

It would be really nice, though, to have a tutorial document going through everything from start to finish.