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Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Steve Matzura
 

Incorrect. You probably have everything you need within two feet of your current location. A DVD or USB thumb drive on which  to load Windows 10's installation media or recovery disk is all you need. You have to build IFW as well, of course, and I covered that already today.


On 8/16/2018 12:11 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:
As stated in at least two messages in this thread today, one must have a secondary  accessible operating system to boot in order to run the Image for Windows program.
So, in other words, you're using a functional instance of Windows to recover a system image backup to a drive that is not the system drive.  That's the only way I can read this.

It's good to know this can be done, but it's not, in any way shape or form, a typical system image recovery nor something that a very great many users have the equipment sitting around at home to do.

I have not ever tried using Narrator with the Windows 10 ISO burned as bootable to USB, and I have heard about that.  But are you able to kick off any sort of system restore that way?

The crux of all of this, for me, anyway, is trying to find out if there is a way, when the end user has only one computer, has been taking system images, and needs to restore one to that computer when there has been a catastrophic failure that does not allow that computer to boot, that supports speech guidance.  If such exists, it would be a real boon.
 


Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Steve Matzura
 

I'm going to explode if I have to answer this again. Please read all the other messages in this thread. Thank you.


On 8/16/2018 11:28 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
 
I don’t understand.  If your hard drive crashes, you need a rescue medium to perform an image restoration from a backup external drive.  This rescue medium, whether it is a DVD,flash drive or portable external drive has some kind of user interface which must be navigated.  But there is no speech on the rescue medium so there is no way to navigate it without sighted help.  You cannot simply plug a rescue medium into a USB port an automatically initiate the restoration without some kind of intervention.  Options must be selected.  Check boxes must be checked, etc.  How is this done without speech orsighted help?
 
Gerald
 
 
 
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?
 

Brian,

 

As stated in at least two messages in this thread today, one must have a secondary  accessible operating system to boot in order to run the Image for Windows program. This is accomplished in one of two ways: (1) Obtain the most excellent Windows 10 pre-installation environment from http://www.opopanax.net/download and write it to a USB drive or DVD, or (2) obtain the Windows Media Creation Tool from https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=691209 and make a Windows 10 installation USB thumb drive or DVD, boot it, and start Narrator.

 

There is one more thing one has to do which has not been mentioned so far, and that is, to build an external, or "portable," copy of IFW on another drive. I have recorded a short program detailing how to do this. Download it from https://www.dropbox.com/s/654zldv0meha93c/PE%20Builder.mp3?dl=0


On 8/16/2018 10:47 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Just for my own edification, I would like to know more about how a JAWS user goes about actually doing a restore, if/when necessary/desirable, using Image for Windows.

I have yet to know of any way that is accessible, at least in any conventional sense of the word, to recover from an external system image on a system where Windows either will not boot or, if a new HDD replacement was needed, does not even exist.

If this utility has some sort of speech enabled recovery process that would be most useful to know about.  And I mean specifically recovering from a disaster where you are not going to be booting into Windows in order to kick off the entire process.


Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
 

You would boot from usb to restore the backup and the backup would be stored on a secondary drive.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 5:38 AM
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?



And all this can be done without sighted help of any kind? Seems to me that if your hard drive crashes, you would have no speech to restore the backup image from the external drive.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Isaac
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 12:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Well, with windows 10 latest addition, you can use the old windows 7 backup
tool that is built in to windows 10 under the control pannel and then find
it there.
You will create a system image, and store it on a backup drive, and then you
will have to boot from usb to restore the system image from the windows 10
installer screen using narrator, remember the installer now talks. You
would click on repair my computer and you can restore the backup from there,
it backs up all jaws and other licenses you have when it does a sector by
sector backup.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Ingram" <dingram269@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 9:42 PM
Subject: What backup software can we use with jaws?


Hi list members, does anyone know of backup software that we can use with jaws?







Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
 

I have image for windows but I have noticed in the past it left some licenses I had out from the restore, you can't read the options very well, so is there a way to edit the ini file to make sure it is a bit by bit copy?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@noisynotes.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?


Al, they're not looking for accessible, because we all know that already exists; they're looking for free.


On 8/16/2018 7:20 AM, Alan Robbins via Groups.Io wrote:
Steve,

I have been using image for windows for probably 10+ years. I cannot tell you how many times it has saved my bacon. Way back I used to create images on DVD's and one could restore without sighted assistance as there was a tutorial done by David Farrin (Jaws-users-list) telling one what needed to be pushed when the reboot screen first came up.
However, what I came to several years ago is simply using a USB to sata adapter and restoring directly to whatever drive I wanted by using a spare bootable drive I had to perform the operation. If anyone is not following this, write back and I'll provide more detailed directions.

Great software and don't know why so many folks keep looking for something accessible when this has been around for years.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Gerald,


Re-read Isaac's message. You must have either a Windows pre-installation environment with NVDA enabled, which you can get from http://www.opopanax.net/download, or the Windows 10 installation disk you make with the Windows Media Creation Tool from
https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=691209


Another possibility, my personal and particular favorite, is Terabyte Unlimited's Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite from http://www.terabyteunlimited.com - You still need the above mentioned tools for a restore to the system's boot drive of course. The Microsoft backup program is OK, but if you like or want finer control of backup media, with more interesting and useful options and features, then, in my unhumble opinion, the Terabyte product is the better choice. Many users don't like it because it's not free--costs about fifty dollars US--but after trying the program for thirty days and discovering it doesn't do any more for you than the included backup program already on your Windows machine, you can uninstall it and still walk away happy.

On 8/16/2018 6:38 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
And all this can be done without sighted help of any kind? Seems to
me that if your hard drive crashes, you would have no speech to
restore the backup image from the external drive.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Isaac
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 12:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Well, with windows 10 latest addition, you can use the old windows 7
backup tool that is built in to windows 10 under the control pannel
and then find it there.
You will create a system image, and store it on a backup drive, and
then you will have to boot from usb to restore the system image from
the windows 10 installer screen using narrator, remember the installer
now talks. You would click on repair my computer and you can restore
the backup from there, it backs up all jaws and other licenses you
have when it does a sector by sector backup.
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Ingram"
<dingram269@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 9:42 PM
Subject: What backup software can we use with jaws?


Hi list members, does anyone know of backup software that we can use
with jaws?


Re: Could you remind me of the new Microsoft Word access option in JAWS?

Bill White
 

Some software can send more information to JAWS with the box uncheck than it can when the box is checked. If you’re using legacy software, JAWS receives more information with the box checked, which is the default.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 10:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Could you remind me of the new Microsoft Word access option in JAWS?

 

So, tell me something,

How does jaws act differently between whether the box is checked or unchecked?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 12:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Could you remind me of the new Microsoft Word access option in JAWS?

 

Hi, Mike. Here is how to change the way JAWS interacts with software:

 

1. Type JAWS key plus six on the numbers row to open Settings.

2. In the search box, type

 

misc

 

3. Arrow down to Miscellaneous, and press ENTER to open.

4. Arrow down to:

 

Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture.

 

5. It will tell you that it is unavailable, because you need to load the Default configuration to change this setting.

6. To load the Default configuration, type:

 

CONTROL plus SHIFT plus D

 

7. Now press space on

 

Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture.

 

to change it’s value to unchecked.

 

8. TAB to OK, and press ENTER.

 

9. Quit JAWS, and Restart JAWS for this setting to take effect.

 

To reverse this process:

 

Repeat steps one through nine, above, except in step seven,

 

Press space on

 

Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture.

 

to change it’s value back to checked.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 8:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Could you remind me of the new Microsoft Word access option in JAWS?

 

Where does one find this setting to which you guys refer?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 11:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Could you remind me of the new Microsoft Word access option in JAWS?

 

I assume you mean the setting “Use accessibility driver for screen capture”

The setting is still there, having it checked means Jaws does what it has always done and it uses the accessibility driver.

For me unchecking it has undesireable results in some other legecy applications I use and as a member of the Jaws Beta program I think it’s OK for me to say that this is not something FS has focused on recently, maybe they will down the road, but while you can uncheck it to see what happens I’d probably leave it alone. If you do want to try then remember that after you uncheck it you need to restart Jaws for the change to become effective.

 

Take care,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 8:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Could you remind me of the new Microsoft Word access option in JAWS?

 

As I remember, there’s an option to switch JAWS to use newer techniques for interacting at the software level with Microsoft Word.

 

I can’t recall when it was introduced or what the option is called, and my searches haven’t found it. Is it still in the latest release of JAWS 2018, and, if it is, what’s the name of the setting?

 

Any help in refreshing my memory would be appreciated.

 


Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Gerald Levy
 

 
So are you admitting that some sighted help may be needed, , at least initially?
 
Gerald
 
 
 

From: Isaac
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?
 
If someone has versions 1703, 1709, 1803, and there sound card doesn't work with windows pe, I will be glad to integrate there drivers in to the pe environment so they can have the freedom of using a backup or reinstalling.  Just try to boot and envoke narrator and if it doesn't work, I will be glad to help.  If you can, either use be my eyes to see if you are booted in to windows pe, or try narrator, or have some one verify that your in the windows pe environment and if you are with no sound let me know.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?
 
Steve,

            By the way, unless that Windows PE download at  http://www.opopanax.net/download
is customized in some way it shouldn't have speech.  Windows PE, up through the latest version I've dealt with, did not, but if these do, that would be great to know.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
 


You are definately able to do repairs, system restore, and system image restore with complete reimageing or full resets or whatever.  You even have access to command line by pressing shift f 10.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:
As stated in at least two messages in this thread today, one must have a secondary  accessible operating system to boot in order to run the Image for Windows program.
So, in other words, you're using a functional instance of Windows to recover a system image backup to a drive that is not the system drive.  That's the only way I can read this.

It's good to know this can be done, but it's not, in any way shape or form, a typical system image recovery nor something that a very great many users have the equipment sitting around at home to do.

I have not ever tried using Narrator with the Windows 10 ISO burned as bootable to USB, and I have heard about that.  But are you able to kick off any sort of system restore that way?

The crux of all of this, for me, anyway, is trying to find out if there is a way, when the end user has only one computer, has been taking system images, and needs to restore one to that computer when there has been a catastrophic failure that does not allow that computer to boot, that supports speech guidance.  If such exists, it would be a real boon.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
 


Of course with versions 1703, 1709, 1803, you can use the iso and usually get speech on bootup of the cd or usb stick.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:
As stated in at least two messages in this thread today, one must have a secondary  accessible operating system to boot in order to run the Image for Windows program.
So, in other words, you're using a functional instance of Windows to recover a system image backup to a drive that is not the system drive.  That's the only way I can read this.

It's good to know this can be done, but it's not, in any way shape or form, a typical system image recovery nor something that a very great many users have the equipment sitting around at home to do.

I have not ever tried using Narrator with the Windows 10 ISO burned as bootable to USB, and I have heard about that.  But are you able to kick off any sort of system restore that way?

The crux of all of this, for me, anyway, is trying to find out if there is a way, when the end user has only one computer, has been taking system images, and needs to restore one to that computer when there has been a catastrophic failure that does not allow that computer to boot, that supports speech guidance.  If such exists, it would be a real boon.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
 


If someone has versions 1703, 1709, 1803, and there sound card doesn't work with windows pe, I will be glad to integrate there drivers in to the pe environment so they can have the freedom of using a backup or reinstalling.  Just try to boot and envoke narrator and if it doesn't work, I will be glad to help.  If you can, either use be my eyes to see if you are booted in to windows pe, or try narrator, or have some one verify that your in the windows pe environment and if you are with no sound let me know.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Steve,

            By the way, unless that Windows PE download at  http://www.opopanax.net/download
is customized in some way it shouldn't have speech.  Windows PE, up through the latest version I've dealt with, did not, but if these do, that would be great to know.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
 


1703, 1709, 1803, all support booting with speech using narrator

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 12:17 PM, John Covici wrote:
I think if you use a version of the dvd that is 1703 or later
I really feel that we're all just talking past one another now.

The Windows 10 bootable media, which is where version numbers like 1703, 1709, 1803, etc., come in is completely disjoint from Windows PE (Windows pre-installation environment), which is part and parcel of virtually every recovery media maker I am familiar with, and which does not (or did not, I will be happy to stand corrected, thrilled, in fact) support speech, and which is how the vast majority of system image recoveries must begin.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

John Covici
 

As far as I know, when you boot the windows dvd, you are booting into
a windows pe environment. You can use narrator in there and if you
have the image backup program on another drive or usb drive you could
run it and see if Narrator would read it. I don't know what would
happen, but I would try this and find out.

On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:19:47 -0400,
Gerald Levy wrote:

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Thanks for explaining this. There have been persistent rumors for years that you can restore a backup image from an external portable drive without sighted help of any kind. This is simply nottrue, and if anyone claims otherwise, I
challenge them to provide complete, comprehensive instructions or tutorial. Even the previously mentioned tutorial on the JAWS Users site that explains how to restore a backup image stored on a series of DVD’s using Image for Windows
required some sighted help,as the creator of this tutorial admits. This idea that you can simply turn on aWindows 10 computer with a corrupted hard drive and presto, Narrator starts speaking is sheer myth.

Gerald



From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 12:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 12:01 PM, John Covici wrote:

Newer versions of windows do have speech, you can start narrator

Not under Windows PE you can't, or not any version that I've ever laid hands on.

What I, and Gerald, are saying is that we are unaware of any "pre-full Windows having booted" recovery media that support speech. I know of not a single one, and I've been in this business a very long time.

If someone can actually tell me where one is, I'd love to look at it.

If Windows itself, as in from your hard drive, actually boots then you're not doing a typical system image recovery, which is what's the crux of the matter.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

~ Dorothy Nevill

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Gerald Levy
 

 
Thanks for explaining this.  There have been persistent rumors for years that you can restore a backup image from an external portable drive without sighted help of any kind.  This is simply nottrue, and if anyone claims otherwise, I challenge them to provide complete, comprehensive instructions or tutorial.  Even the previously mentioned tutorial on the JAWS Users site that explains how to restore a  backup image stored on a series of DVD’s using Image for Windows required some sighted help,as the creator of this tutorial admits.  This idea that you can simply turn on aWindows 10 computer with a corrupted hard drive and presto, Narrator starts speaking is sheer myth.
 
Gerald
 
 
 

Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?
 
On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 12:01 PM, John Covici wrote:
Newer versions of windows do have speech, you can start narrator
Not under Windows PE you can't, or not any  version that I've ever laid hands on.

What I, and Gerald, are saying is that we are unaware of any "pre-full Windows having booted" recovery media that support speech.  I know of not a single one, and I've been in this business a very long time.

If someone can actually tell me where one is, I'd love to look at it.

If Windows itself, as in from your hard drive, actually boots then you're not doing a typical system image recovery, which is what's the crux of the matter.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

netbat66
 

this p e version does have n v d a speech if you know how to create the boot media and set it up.
i would try this on a flash drive. i do not know if any system changes you make would be retained when you quit the p e program because it is loaded into memory. so if you created the p e program on a cd no changes would be saved. i do not know about useing a flash drive.
***
you have to have someone change the boot order in system bios so the computer will boot from the u s b port first. then the c drive.
the document file included has the steps to get this version of p e working.

http://opopanax.net/download/

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 12:01 PM, John Covici wrote:
Newer versions of windows do have speech, you can start narrator Not under Windows P E you can not, or not any version that I've ever laid hands on.

What I, and Gerald, are saying is that we are unaware of any "pre-full Windows having booted" recovery media that support speech. I know of not a single one, and I've been in this business a very long time.

If someone can actually tell me where one is, I'd love to look at it.

If Windows itself, as in from your hard drive, actually boots then you're not doing a typical system image recovery, which is what's the crux of the matter.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: Could you remind me of the new Microsoft Word access option in JAWS?

mike mcglashon
 

So, tell me something,

How does jaws act differently between whether the box is checked or unchecked?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 12:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Could you remind me of the new Microsoft Word access option in JAWS?

 

Hi, Mike. Here is how to change the way JAWS interacts with software:

 

1. Type JAWS key plus six on the numbers row to open Settings.

2. In the search box, type

 

misc

 

3. Arrow down to Miscellaneous, and press ENTER to open.

4. Arrow down to:

 

Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture.

 

5. It will tell you that it is unavailable, because you need to load the Default configuration to change this setting.

6. To load the Default configuration, type:

 

CONTROL plus SHIFT plus D

 

7. Now press space on

 

Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture.

 

to change it’s value to unchecked.

 

8. TAB to OK, and press ENTER.

 

9. Quit JAWS, and Restart JAWS for this setting to take effect.

 

To reverse this process:

 

Repeat steps one through nine, above, except in step seven,

 

Press space on

 

Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture.

 

to change it’s value back to checked.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 8:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Could you remind me of the new Microsoft Word access option in JAWS?

 

Where does one find this setting to which you guys refer?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 11:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Could you remind me of the new Microsoft Word access option in JAWS?

 

I assume you mean the setting “Use accessibility driver for screen capture”

The setting is still there, having it checked means Jaws does what it has always done and it uses the accessibility driver.

For me unchecking it has undesireable results in some other legecy applications I use and as a member of the Jaws Beta program I think it’s OK for me to say that this is not something FS has focused on recently, maybe they will down the road, but while you can uncheck it to see what happens I’d probably leave it alone. If you do want to try then remember that after you uncheck it you need to restart Jaws for the change to become effective.

 

Take care,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 8:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Could you remind me of the new Microsoft Word access option in JAWS?

 

As I remember, there’s an option to switch JAWS to use newer techniques for interacting at the software level with Microsoft Word.

 

I can’t recall when it was introduced or what the option is called, and my searches haven’t found it. Is it still in the latest release of JAWS 2018, and, if it is, what’s the name of the setting?

 

Any help in refreshing my memory would be appreciated.

 


Re: Could you remind me of the new Microsoft Word access option in JAWS?

Jason White
 

Actually, I thought there was a separate setting for Microsoft Office, but perhaps they merged the functionality into the “accessibility driver” setting, which I did uncheck.

 

Thanks for the help with this.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 11:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Could you remind me of the new Microsoft Word access option in JAWS?

 

I assume you mean the setting “Use accessibility driver for screen capture”

The setting is still there, having it checked means Jaws does what it has always done and it uses the accessibility driver.

For me unchecking it has undesireable results in some other legecy applications I use and as a member of the Jaws Beta program I think it’s OK for me to say that this is not something FS has focused on recently, maybe they will down the road, but while you can uncheck it to see what happens I’d probably leave it alone. If you do want to try then remember that after you uncheck it you need to restart Jaws for the change to become effective.

 

Take care,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 8:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Could you remind me of the new Microsoft Word access option in JAWS?

 

As I remember, there’s an option to switch JAWS to use newer techniques for interacting at the software level with Microsoft Word.

 

I can’t recall when it was introduced or what the option is called, and my searches haven’t found it. Is it still in the latest release of JAWS 2018, and, if it is, what’s the name of the setting?

 

Any help in refreshing my memory would be appreciated.

 


Re: Could you remind me of the new Microsoft Word access option in JAWS?

Bill White
 

Hi, Mike. Here is how to change the way JAWS interacts with software:

 

1. Type JAWS key plus six on the numbers row to open Settings.

2. In the search box, type

 

misc

 

3. Arrow down to Miscellaneous, and press ENTER to open.

4. Arrow down to:

 

Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture.

 

5. It will tell you that it is unavailable, because you need to load the Default configuration to change this setting.

6. To load the Default configuration, type:

 

CONTROL plus SHIFT plus D

 

7. Now press space on

 

Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture.

 

to change it’s value to unchecked.

 

8. TAB to OK, and press ENTER.

 

9. Quit JAWS, and Restart JAWS for this setting to take effect.

 

To reverse this process:

 

Repeat steps one through nine, above, except in step seven,

 

Press space on

 

Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture.

 

to change it’s value back to checked.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 8:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Could you remind me of the new Microsoft Word access option in JAWS?

 

Where does one find this setting to which you guys refer?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 11:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Could you remind me of the new Microsoft Word access option in JAWS?

 

I assume you mean the setting “Use accessibility driver for screen capture”

The setting is still there, having it checked means Jaws does what it has always done and it uses the accessibility driver.

For me unchecking it has undesireable results in some other legecy applications I use and as a member of the Jaws Beta program I think it’s OK for me to say that this is not something FS has focused on recently, maybe they will down the road, but while you can uncheck it to see what happens I’d probably leave it alone. If you do want to try then remember that after you uncheck it you need to restart Jaws for the change to become effective.

 

Take care,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 8:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Could you remind me of the new Microsoft Word access option in JAWS?

 

As I remember, there’s an option to switch JAWS to use newer techniques for interacting at the software level with Microsoft Word.

 

I can’t recall when it was introduced or what the option is called, and my searches haven’t found it. Is it still in the latest release of JAWS 2018, and, if it is, what’s the name of the setting?

 

Any help in refreshing my memory would be appreciated.

 


Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

 

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 12:17 PM, John Covici wrote:
I think if you use a version of the dvd that is 1703 or later
I really feel that we're all just talking past one another now.

The Windows 10 bootable media, which is where version numbers like 1703, 1709, 1803, etc., come in is completely disjoint from Windows PE (Windows pre-installation environment), which is part and parcel of virtually every recovery media maker I am familiar with, and which does not (or did not, I will be happy to stand corrected, thrilled, in fact) support speech, and which is how the vast majority of system image recoveries must begin.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

John Covici
 

I think if you use a version of the dvd that is 1703 or later, once
booted up you can start narrator by doing control-windows-enter and it
will work on a number of sound cards.

On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 12:06:05 -0400,
Brian Vogel wrote:

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[2 <text/html; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 12:01 PM, John Covici wrote:

Newer versions of windows do have speech, you can start narrator

Not under Windows PE you can't, or not any version that I've ever laid hands on.

What I, and Gerald, are saying is that we are unaware of any "pre-full Windows having booted" recovery media that support speech. I know of not a single one, and I've been in this business a very long time.

If someone can actually tell me where one is, I'd love to look at it.

If Windows itself, as in from your hard drive, actually boots then you're not doing a typical system image recovery, which is what's the crux of the matter.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

~ Dorothy Nevill

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


Re: Jaws stops talking using Word2016

Kimber Gardner
 

I have a very similar problem using jaws 2018, any program in office
2016 and a mainframe emulator called attachmate.

Like you, if I flip between an office application then back to
attachmate I seem to lose control of my cursor. Jaws reads only the
line where the cursor was positioned before switching windows and
won't read anything else unless I refresh the screen with the jaws key
+ escape.

The only way I've found to get jaws back on track is to log out of the
emulator and back in.

As I said, this problem isn't particular to word, at least for me. It
also happens with Skype for business, outlook and any other office
application.

Kim

On 8/16/18, Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@wi.rr.com> wrote:
Hello, I will be in a word document and flip to Outlook2016 to get
something
from an email. I have multiple documents in word open. After flipping back
and forth from Outlook and word Jaws has a hard time reading the word
document. I cannot use the control key and a arrow key to move from word to
word. I have to arrow up and down multiple times to have a line read. I end
up unload and loading Jaws. Then after flipping back and forth between
outlook and word it goes back to have the problem with reading. I even made
sure the word window is maximized. What could be wrong?





Kevin Meyers - motivational speaker

http://www.kevinsmeyers.com

6100 West Stonehedge Drive

Suite 148C

Greenfield, WI 53220

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Kimberly


Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

 

Steve,

            By the way, unless that Windows PE download at  http://www.opopanax.net/download
is customized in some way it shouldn't have speech.  Windows PE, up through the latest version I've dealt with, did not, but if these do, that would be great to know.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill