On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:

As stated in at least two messages in this thread today, one must have a secondary  accessible operating system to boot in order to run the Image for Windows program.

So, in other words, you're using a functional instance of Windows to recover a system image backup to a drive that is not the system drive.  That's the only way I can read this.

It's good to know this can be done, but it's not, in any way shape or form, a typical system image recovery nor something that a very great many users have the equipment sitting around at home to do.

I have not ever tried using Narrator with the Windows 10 ISO burned as bootable to USB, and I have heard about that.  But are you able to kick off any sort of system restore that way?

The crux of all of this, for me, anyway, is trying to find out if there is a way, when the end user has only one computer, has been taking system images, and needs to restore one to that computer when there has been a catastrophic failure that does not allow that computer to boot, that supports speech guidance.  If such exists, it would be a real boon.
 

 

I don’t understand.  If your hard drive crashes, you need a rescue medium to perform an image restoration from a backup external drive.  This rescue medium, whether it is a DVD,flash drive or portable external drive has some kind of user interface which must be navigated.  But there is no speech on the rescue medium so there is no way to navigate it without sighted help.  You cannot simply plug a rescue medium into a USB port an automatically initiate the restoration without some kind of intervention.  Options must be selected.  Check boxes must be checked, etc.  How is this done without speech orsighted help?

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Steve Matzura

Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 11:00 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

 

Brian,

 

As stated in at least two messages in this thread today, one must have a secondary  accessible operating system to boot in order to run the Image for Windows program. This is accomplished in one of two ways: (1) Obtain the most excellent Windows 10 pre-installation environment from http://www.opopanax.net/download and write it to a USB drive or DVD, or (2) obtain the Windows Media Creation Tool from https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=691209 and make a Windows 10 installation USB thumb drive or DVD, boot it, and start Narrator.

 

There is one more thing one has to do which has not been mentioned so far, and that is, to build an external, or "portable," copy of IFW on another drive. I have recorded a short program detailing how to do this. Download it from https://www.dropbox.com/s/654zldv0meha93c/PE%20Builder.mp3?dl=0

On 8/16/2018 10:47 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Just for my own edification, I would like to know more about how a JAWS user goes about actually doing a restore, if/when necessary/desirable, using Image for Windows.

I have yet to know of any way that is accessible, at least in any conventional sense of the word, to recover from an external system image on a system where Windows either will not boot or, if a new HDD replacement was needed, does not even exist.

If this utility has some sort of speech enabled recovery process that would be most useful to know about.  And I mean specifically recovering from a disaster where you are not going to be booting into Windows in order to kick off the entire process.

And all this can be done without sighted help of any kind? Seems to me that if your hard drive crashes, you would have no speech to restore the backup image from the external drive.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Isaac
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 12:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Well, with windows 10 latest addition, you can use the old windows 7 backup
tool that is built in to windows 10 under the control pannel and then find
it there.
You will create a system image, and store it on a backup drive, and then you
will have to boot from usb to restore the system image from the windows 10
installer screen using narrator, remember the installer now talks. You
would click on repair my computer and you can restore the backup from there,
it backs up all jaws and other licenses you have when it does a sector by
sector backup.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Ingram" <dingram269@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 9:42 PM
Subject: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Hi list members, does anyone know of backup software that we can use with jaws?

Al, they're not looking for accessible, because we all know that already exists; they're looking for free.


On 8/16/2018 7:20 AM, Alan Robbins via Groups.Io wrote:

Steve,

I have been using image for windows for probably 10+ years. I cannot tell you how many times it has saved my bacon. Way back I used to create images on DVD's and one could restore without sighted assistance as there was a tutorial done by David Farrin (Jaws-users-list) telling one what needed to be pushed when the reboot screen first came up.
However, what I came to several years ago is simply using a USB to sata adapter and restoring directly to whatever drive I wanted by using a spare bootable drive I had to perform the operation. If anyone is not following this, write back and I'll provide more detailed directions.

Great software and don't know why so many folks keep looking for something accessible when this has been around for years.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Gerald,


Re-read Isaac's message. You must have either a Windows pre-installation environment with NVDA enabled, which you can get from http://www.opopanax.net/download, or the Windows 10 installation disk you make with the Windows Media Creation Tool from
https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=691209


Another possibility, my personal and particular favorite, is Terabyte Unlimited's Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite from http://www.terabyteunlimited.com - You still need the above mentioned tools for a restore to the system's boot drive of course. The Microsoft backup program is OK, but if you like or want finer control of backup media, with more interesting and useful options and features, then, in my unhumble opinion, the Terabyte product is the better choice. Many users don't like it because it's not free--costs about fifty dollars US--but after trying the program for thirty days and discovering it doesn't do any more for you than the included backup program already on your Windows machine, you can uninstall it and still walk away happy.

On 8/16/2018 6:38 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

And all this can be done without sighted help of any kind? Seems to
me that if your hard drive crashes, you would have no speech to
restore the backup image from the external drive.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Isaac
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 12:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Well, with windows 10 latest addition, you can use the old windows 7
backup tool that is built in to windows 10 under the control pannel
and then find it there.
You will create a system image, and store it on a backup drive, and
then you will have to boot from usb to restore the system image from
the windows 10 installer screen using narrator, remember the installer
now talks. You would click on repair my computer and you can restore
the backup from there, it backs up all jaws and other licenses you
have when it does a sector by sector backup.
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Ingram"
<dingram269@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 9:42 PM
Subject: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Hi list members, does anyone know of backup software that we can use
with jaws?

So, tell me something,

How does jaws act differently between whether the box is checked or unchecked?

Hi, Mike. Here is how to change the way JAWS interacts with software:

1. Type JAWS key plus six on the numbers row to open Settings.

2. In the search box, type

misc

3. Arrow down to Miscellaneous, and press ENTER to open.

4. Arrow down to:

Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture.

5. It will tell you that it is unavailable, because you need to load the Default configuration to change this setting.

6. To load the Default configuration, type:

CONTROL plus SHIFT plus D

7. Now press space on

Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture.

to change it’s value to unchecked.

8. TAB to OK, and press ENTER.

9. Quit JAWS, and Restart JAWS for this setting to take effect.

To reverse this process:

Repeat steps one through nine, above, except in step seven,

Press space on

Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture.

to change it’s value back to checked.

Where does one find this setting to which you guys refer?

I assume you mean the setting “Use accessibility driver for screen capture”

The setting is still there, having it checked means Jaws does what it has always done and it uses the accessibility driver.

For me unchecking it has undesireable results in some other legecy applications I use and as a member of the Jaws Beta program I think it’s OK for me to say that this is not something FS has focused on recently, maybe they will down the road, but while you can uncheck it to see what happens I’d probably leave it alone. If you do want to try then remember that after you uncheck it you need to restart Jaws for the change to become effective.

Take care,

Sieghard

As I remember, there’s an option to switch JAWS to use newer techniques for interacting at the software level with Microsoft Word.

I can’t recall when it was introduced or what the option is called, and my searches haven’t found it. Is it still in the latest release of JAWS 2018, and, if it is, what’s the name of the setting?

Any help in refreshing my memory would be appreciated.

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 11:11 AM

Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:

As stated in at least two messages in this thread today, one must have a secondary  accessible operating system to boot in order to run the Image for Windows program.

So, in other words, you're using a functional instance of Windows to recover a system image backup to a drive that is not the system drive.  That's the only way I can read this.

It's good to know this can be done, but it's not, in any way shape or form, a typical system image recovery nor something that a very great many users have the equipment sitting around at home to do.

I have not ever tried using Narrator with the Windows 10 ISO burned as bootable to USB, and I have heard about that.  But are you able to kick off any sort of system restore that way?

The crux of all of this, for me, anyway, is trying to find out if there is a way, when the end user has only one computer, has been taking system images, and needs to restore one to that computer when there has been a catastrophic failure that does not allow that computer to boot, that supports speech guidance.  If such exists, it would be a real boon.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 11:11 AM

Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:

As stated in at least two messages in this thread today, one must have a secondary  accessible operating system to boot in order to run the Image for Windows program.

So, in other words, you're using a functional instance of Windows to recover a system image backup to a drive that is not the system drive.  That's the only way I can read this.

It's good to know this can be done, but it's not, in any way shape or form, a typical system image recovery nor something that a very great many users have the equipment sitting around at home to do.

I have not ever tried using Narrator with the Windows 10 ISO burned as bootable to USB, and I have heard about that.  But are you able to kick off any sort of system restore that way?

The crux of all of this, for me, anyway, is trying to find out if there is a way, when the end user has only one computer, has been taking system images, and needs to restore one to that computer when there has been a catastrophic failure that does not allow that computer to boot, that supports speech guidance.  If such exists, it would be a real boon.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 11:14 AM

Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Steve,

            By the way, unless that Windows PE download at  http://www.opopanax.net/download
is customized in some way it shouldn't have speech.  Windows PE, up through the latest version I've dealt with, did not, but if these do, that would be great to know.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 11:26 AM

Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 12:17 PM, John Covici wrote:

I think if you use a version of the dvd that is 1703 or later

I really feel that we're all just talking past one another now.

The Windows 10 bootable media, which is where version numbers like 1703, 1709, 1803, etc., come in is completely disjoint from Windows PE (Windows pre-installation environment), which is part and parcel of virtually every recovery media maker I am familiar with, and which does not (or did not, I will be happy to stand corrected, thrilled, in fact) support speech, and which is how the vast majority of system image recoveries must begin.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

Hi, Mike. Here is how to change the way JAWS interacts with software:

1. Type JAWS key plus six on the numbers row to open Settings.

2. In the search box, type

misc

3. Arrow down to Miscellaneous, and press ENTER to open.

4. Arrow down to:

Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture.

5. It will tell you that it is unavailable, because you need to load the Default configuration to change this setting.

6. To load the Default configuration, type:

CONTROL plus SHIFT plus D

7. Now press space on

Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture.

to change it’s value to unchecked.

8. TAB to OK, and press ENTER.

9. Quit JAWS, and Restart JAWS for this setting to take effect.

To reverse this process:

Repeat steps one through nine, above, except in step seven,

Press space on

Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture.

to change it’s value back to checked.

Where does one find this setting to which you guys refer?

I assume you mean the setting “Use accessibility driver for screen capture”

The setting is still there, having it checked means Jaws does what it has always done and it uses the accessibility driver.

For me unchecking it has undesireable results in some other legecy applications I use and as a member of the Jaws Beta program I think it’s OK for me to say that this is not something FS has focused on recently, maybe they will down the road, but while you can uncheck it to see what happens I’d probably leave it alone. If you do want to try then remember that after you uncheck it you need to restart Jaws for the change to become effective.

Take care,

Sieghard

As I remember, there’s an option to switch JAWS to use newer techniques for interacting at the software level with Microsoft Word.

I can’t recall when it was introduced or what the option is called, and my searches haven’t found it. Is it still in the latest release of JAWS 2018, and, if it is, what’s the name of the setting?

Any help in refreshing my memory would be appreciated.

I assume you mean the setting “Use accessibility driver for screen capture”

The setting is still there, having it checked means Jaws does what it has always done and it uses the accessibility driver.

For me unchecking it has undesireable results in some other legecy applications I use and as a member of the Jaws Beta program I think it’s OK for me to say that this is not something FS has focused on recently, maybe they will down the road, but while you can uncheck it to see what happens I’d probably leave it alone. If you do want to try then remember that after you uncheck it you need to restart Jaws for the change to become effective.

Take care,

Sieghard

As I remember, there’s an option to switch JAWS to use newer techniques for interacting at the software level with Microsoft Word.

I can’t recall when it was introduced or what the option is called, and my searches haven’t found it. Is it still in the latest release of JAWS 2018, and, if it is, what’s the name of the setting?

Any help in refreshing my memory would be appreciated.

Where does one find this setting to which you guys refer?

I assume you mean the setting “Use accessibility driver for screen capture”

The setting is still there, having it checked means Jaws does what it has always done and it uses the accessibility driver.

For me unchecking it has undesireable results in some other legecy applications I use and as a member of the Jaws Beta program I think it’s OK for me to say that this is not something FS has focused on recently, maybe they will down the road, but while you can uncheck it to see what happens I’d probably leave it alone. If you do want to try then remember that after you uncheck it you need to restart Jaws for the change to become effective.

Take care,

Sieghard

As I remember, there’s an option to switch JAWS to use newer techniques for interacting at the software level with Microsoft Word.

I can’t recall when it was introduced or what the option is called, and my searches haven’t found it. Is it still in the latest release of JAWS 2018, and, if it is, what’s the name of the setting?

Any help in refreshing my memory would be appreciated.

Hello, I will be in a word document and flip to Outlook2016 to get
something
from an email. I have multiple documents in word open. After flipping back
and forth from Outlook and word Jaws has a hard time reading the word
document. I cannot use the control key and a arrow key to move from word to
word. I have to arrow up and down multiple times to have a line read. I end
up unload and loading Jaws. Then after flipping back and forth between
outlook and word it goes back to have the problem with reading. I even made
sure the word window is maximized. What could be wrong?





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