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Re: Backup

 

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 01:08 PM, John Covici wrote:
What I have done is initiate the restore procedure from windows
That's the key phrase, and something that's seldom, very seldom, done if one is trying to do a system image restore, as those are typically done when Windows itself will not function due to serious corruption of some kind.

I can't imagine ever initiating a recovery from within Windows itself unless I had made a system image backup prior to doing planned experimenting with my machine and just wanted to wipe everything back to the state it was prior to the experimenting.  I'm sure one could initiate a system image restore from within Windows itself for other reasons, but that's not the case I've had in mind when discussing full system recoveries.   They're almost always done by booting with a USB or DVD and using an external backup drive as the image source, putting it all back on the internal drive on the computer in question.
 
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Re: Backup

 

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 01:20 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
the Macrium rescue disk boots into Linix.
No, it most certainly does not, at least not in any default installation for Windows I've ever seen or recovery I've ever done.   In fact, as part of setting up Macrium for the first time, you have to download Windows PE if you don't already have it in order to make the recovery disc.
 
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Re: Backup

Jonas Voll
 

Linix has a portable OS with speech!!


Jonas Voll
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 12:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Backup


I don't think so. the Macrium rescue disk boots into Linix. Besides, I don't think there is any way to modify it once it is created by Macrium Reflect.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Jonas Voll
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 11:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Backup

Can you not run your Macrium rescue disk In Windows PE?

Jonas Voll
Support Technician I
Envision, Inc.
2301 S Water ST
Wichita, KS 67213
O: 316-425-7141
F: 316-267-4312
www.envisionus.com

Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration for the blind and visually impaired through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 9:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Backup


Not true. You can't just shove the Macrium rescue disk into your DVD drive, and bang, zoom, it automatically restores your computer from the external hard drive without any intervention. You have to initiate the restoration procedure, which requires sight because there is no speech available when the rescue disk is loaded.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: John Covici
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 10:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Backup

Actuallyk, if you have a recovery disk, you do the restore from windows and it boots from the recovery disk and does its thing without intervention.

On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 08:38:08 -0400,
Gerald Levy wrote:

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I also use Macrium Reflect to periodically create image backups of my
computer. But you would still need tech-savvy sighted help to restore
the image from the backup external hard drive because the rescue disk
is totally inaccessible with JAWS.


Gerald



From: John Doering
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Backup

I use Macrium Reflect to back up my home computer. I like that with
itοΏ½s free version you can do disc cloning. It is also pretty
accessible using JAWS. You do need to use the JAWS cursor to access
some functions, but it it works very well.



HTH,







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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Matzura
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 11:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Backup



Excellent question. VSS is Microsoft's own volume-shadowing driver and
technology. Here's the Terabyte Unlimited knowledgebase article about
point-in-time technology and strategies.
https://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=352

On 8/8/2018 10:31 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Richard,

I have pretty much given up on making assertions about
accessibility since things change such that something that had been
entirely accessible might become less so to just plain "not." That being
said, if you're trying to
make full system image backups and/or separate user data backups for a
home system I'd definitely give EaseUS To Do Backup Free a whirl just to
see whether it's accessible.

It's what I use not because it's the best (as in most
sophisticated and allows the most configuration) backup software out there
but because of the ease of use of its interface. My partner is, how shall
I put it, not
particularly technically inclined and he can run a routine backup with it
because once you set it up it's just a "click and run" affair.

In doing a quick whirl around the main program page with NVDA
just now I can easily land on the Recovery, Backup, and Advanced buttons.
I cannot seem to get over to the main column of setup buttons on the left
side, but
I'm not great with any of the newer navigation methods like Object
Navigation, so these may be accessible via a method I don't normally use
or could be entirely inaccessible. In the event that they are entirely
inaccessible, if you
have assistance to set up your backup schemes you can definitely run them
without any assistance, as that pane allows accessibility to all buttons.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in
the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting
moment.

~ Dorothy Nevill





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Re: Backup

Gerald Levy
 

I don't think so. the Macrium rescue disk boots into Linix. Besides, I don't think there is any way to modify it once it is created by Macrium Reflect.

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonas Voll
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 11:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Backup

Can you not run your Macrium rescue disk In Windows PE?

Jonas Voll
Support Technician I
Envision, Inc.
2301 S Water ST
Wichita, KS 67213
O: 316-425-7141
F: 316-267-4312
www.envisionus.com

Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration for the blind and visually impaired through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 9:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Backup


Not true. You can't just shove the Macrium rescue disk into your DVD drive, and bang, zoom, it automatically restores your computer from the external hard drive without any intervention. You have to initiate the restoration procedure, which requires sight because there is no speech available when the rescue disk is loaded.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: John Covici
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 10:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Backup

Actuallyk, if you have a recovery disk, you do the restore from windows and it boots from the recovery disk and does its thing without intervention.

On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 08:38:08 -0400,
Gerald Levy wrote:

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I also use Macrium Reflect to periodically create image backups of my
computer. But you would still need tech-savvy sighted help to restore
the image from the backup external hard drive because the rescue disk
is totally inaccessible with JAWS.


Gerald



From: John Doering
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Backup

I use Macrium Reflect to back up my home computer. I like that with itοΏ½s
free version you can do disc cloning. It is also pretty accessible using
JAWS. You do need to use the JAWS cursor to access some functions, but it
it works very
well.



HTH,







John Doering

Administrative Pricing Asst


p. 4147783040 t. 800-642-8778



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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Matzura
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 11:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Backup



Excellent question. VSS is Microsoft's own volume-shadowing driver and
technology. Here's the Terabyte Unlimited knowledgebase article about
point-in-time technology and strategies.
https://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=352

On 8/8/2018 10:31 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Richard,

I have pretty much given up on making assertions about
accessibility since things change such that something that had been
entirely accessible might become less so to just plain "not." That being
said, if you're trying to
make full system image backups and/or separate user data backups for a
home system I'd definitely give EaseUS To Do Backup Free a whirl just to
see whether it's accessible.

It's what I use not because it's the best (as in most
sophisticated and allows the most configuration) backup software out there
but because of the ease of use of its interface. My partner is, how shall
I put it, not
particularly technically inclined and he can run a routine backup with it
because once you set it up it's just a "click and run" affair.

In doing a quick whirl around the main program page with NVDA
just now I can easily land on the Recovery, Backup, and Advanced buttons.
I cannot seem to get over to the main column of setup buttons on the left
side, but
I'm not great with any of the newer navigation methods like Object
Navigation, so these may be accessible via a method I don't normally use
or could be entirely inaccessible. In the event that they are entirely
inaccessible, if you
have assistance to set up your backup schemes you can definitely run them
without any assistance, as that pane allows accessibility to all buttons.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in
the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting
moment.

~ Dorothy Nevill





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Re: Backup

John Covici
 

What I have done is initiate the restore procedure from windows and if
its the system partition it will say it haas to do the restore with
the cd, and at that point instead of hitting ok, you boot with the cd
and it just works -- I have definitely done this.

On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 10:25:07 -0400,
Gerald Levy wrote:


Not true. You can't just shove the Macrium rescue disk into your
DVD drive, and bang, zoom, it automatically restores your
computer from the external hard drive without any intervention.
You have to initiate the restoration procedure, which requires
sight because there is no speech available when the rescue disk
is loaded.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: John Covici
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 10:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Backup

Actuallyk, if you have a recovery disk, you do the restore from
windows and it boots from the recovery disk and does its thing without
intervention.

On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 08:38:08 -0400,
Gerald Levy wrote:

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I also use Macrium Reflect to periodically create image backups
of my computer. But you would still need tech-savvy sighted
help to restore the image from the backup external hard drive
because the rescue disk is totally inaccessible
with JAWS.


Gerald



From: John Doering
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Backup

I use Macrium Reflect to back up my home computer. I like that
with itοΏ½s free version you can do disc cloning. It is also
pretty accessible using JAWS. You do need to use the JAWS
cursor to access some functions, but it it works very
well.



HTH,







John Doering

Administrative Pricing Asst


p. 4147783040 t. 800-642-8778



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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 11:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Backup



Excellent question. VSS is Microsoft's own volume-shadowing
driver and technology. Here's the Terabyte Unlimited
knowledgebase article about point-in-time technology and
strategies. https://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=352

On 8/8/2018 10:31 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Richard,

I have pretty much given up on making assertions
about accessibility since things change such that something
that had been entirely accessible might become less so to just
plain "not." That being said, if you're trying to
make full system image backups and/or separate user data
backups for a home system I'd definitely give EaseUS To Do
Backup Free a whirl just to see whether it's accessible.

It's what I use not because it's the best (as in
most sophisticated and allows the most configuration) backup
software out there but because of the ease of use of its
interface. My partner is, how shall I put it, not
particularly technically inclined and he can run a routine
backup with it because once you set it up it's just a "click
and run" affair.

In doing a quick whirl around the main program page
with NVDA just now I can easily land on the Recovery, Backup,
and Advanced buttons. I cannot seem to get over to the main
column of setup buttons on the left side, but
I'm not great with any of the newer navigation methods like
Object Navigation, so these may be accessible via a method I
don't normally use or could be entirely inaccessible. In the
event that they are entirely inaccessible, if you
have assistance to set up your backup schemes you can
definitely run them without any assistance, as that pane allows
accessibility to all buttons.

--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right
thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at
the tempting moment.

~ Dorothy Nevill





--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com





--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


Re: Backup

Jonas Voll
 

It may not been this post, but someone on the list say “to use recovery disk you need sited help”!

 

 

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Support Technician I
Envision, Inc.
2301 S Water ST
Wichita, KS 67213
O: 316-425-7141
F: 316-267-4312
www.envisionus.com

Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration and opportunity for people who are blind or visually impaired through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 11:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Backup

 

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 12:26 PM, Jonas Voll wrote:

Can you not run your Macrium rescue disk In Windows PE?

I really don't understand this question.  I just stated that the Reflect Recovery software runs under Windows PE or, if you prefer, in Windows PE, which is a skeleton version of Windows that contains a few central features of the OS, not near to a full version of Windows.

The whole point of system image recovery is to restore a previously taken full image of a functional system to a drive that, for whatever reason except physical failure, has become corrupted.

You have to have some sort of OS running, and in the case of Macrium Reflect that OS is Windows PE.   For most Windows backup and recovery suites it's Windows PE, and generally run from either a bootable USB device or CD/DVD.  Windows PE is what's running the actual recovery software that takes the previously saved image and restores it to the drive.
 
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Re: Backup

 

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 12:26 PM, Jonas Voll wrote:
Can you not run your Macrium rescue disk In Windows PE?
I really don't understand this question.  I just stated that the Reflect Recovery software runs under Windows PE or, if you prefer, in Windows PE, which is a skeleton version of Windows that contains a few central features of the OS, not near to a full version of Windows.

The whole point of system image recovery is to restore a previously taken full image of a functional system to a drive that, for whatever reason except physical failure, has become corrupted.

You have to have some sort of OS running, and in the case of Macrium Reflect that OS is Windows PE.   For most Windows backup and recovery suites it's Windows PE, and generally run from either a bootable USB device or CD/DVD.  Windows PE is what's running the actual recovery software that takes the previously saved image and restores it to the drive.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: Youtube

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Laura. All I need to do to get Youtube to play a video is press ENTER on the link for the video. What browser are you using to try to play the video?

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 5:26 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Youtube

 

Hello,

 

How do you get Youtube to play a video? …… Using Jaws 18 and Windows 10.

 

Laura

 


Re: Backup

Jonas Voll
 

Ok, if you can run it in PE, you may not need site to use the software, just depends if the softwear will read buttons and be accessabel!

 

My understanding is that you do run the Macrium Rescue under Windows PE, but it's been so long I could be mistaken.

Can you not run your Macrium rescue disk In Windows PE?


Here are some quotes from various support sites describing how Macrium Reflect recovery works that seem to support my supposition:

For system images that contain boot data, the restoration algorithm will automatically reboot the system, launching Windows PE in its place, restoring the image and then rebooting as normal. In this tutorial, both methods will be covered.


System images of, for example, the C drive, contain operating system files so it is not possible to restore files in real time because they will be in use by the operating system. To resolve this Macrium Reflect boots Windows PE, a cut down version of Windows. It then restores the file system before rebooting again and loading the restored Windows OS. Although this sounds complex, it really is very simple to perform.


If the restore includes system partitions, the computer boots into a memory-resident Windows PE environment before restoring the system partitions and restarting to the restored system state.
 
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Re: Backup

 

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:51 AM, Jonas Voll wrote:
Can you not run your Macrium rescue disk In Windows PE?
My understanding is that you do run the Macrium Rescue under Windows PE, but it's been so long I could be mistaken.

Here are some quotes from various support sites describing how Macrium Reflect recovery works that seem to support my supposition:

For system images that contain boot data, the restoration algorithm will automatically reboot the system, launching Windows PE in its place, restoring the image and then rebooting as normal. In this tutorial, both methods will be covered.


System images of, for example, the C drive, contain operating system files so it is not possible to restore files in real time because they will be in use by the operating system. To resolve this Macrium Reflect boots Windows PE, a cut down version of Windows. It then restores the file system before rebooting again and loading the restored Windows OS. Although this sounds complex, it really is very simple to perform.


If the restore includes system partitions, the computer boots into a memory-resident Windows PE environment before restoring the system partitions and restarting to the restored system state.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: IE vs. "Chrome"

 

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 12:00 PM, Sharon wrote:
Is there a way to export IE favorites into either Firefox or Google Chrome?
The simple, snarky version of the answer is, "Yes."

The slightly more complex, but incomplete one, is exactly how you will do it depends on whether you already have Firefox or Chrome installed or not.  Both Firefox and Chrome (and virtually any alternative web browser I've dealt with during the last 5 years, at least) will ask as part of their install process if you wish to import favorites from browsers it detects are already installed on your system.  You can choose to import them and they will automagically be in the bookmarks for that newly installed browser.

If you installed Firefox or Chrome as your backup browser a long while ago, but didn't bother to import then, you can use the export function from the bookmarks/favorites manager of the other browser and the import function under Firefox, Chrome, or other alternate browser and there they'll be [including your folder structure, if you've used one].
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: IE vs. "Chrome"

Sharon
 

Is there a way to export IE favorites into either Firefox or Google Chrome?

Would hate to lose all these favorites.

Sharon

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 11:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome"

 

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:18 AM, James Homuth wrote:

If by fading you mean dead, then yes.

IE has been "dead browser walking" for some time now.   Until Microsoft pulls it from a Windows 10 release, or at least announces that it will be doing so, I'm not willing to pronounce it dead just yet.

That being said, people should have stopped using IE11 a long time ago.   Yes, I get that it's familiar and comfortable, but the moment a maker like Microsoft announces that development, except for security patches, has ceased on what had been its flagship web browser the writing is on the wall.   Far better to get yourself acquainted with the alternatives and how to use them while you still have IE11 to fall back on.   The day is coming, and soon, where it's going to be a "switch or have nothing" situation for die-hard IE users.  When you add to this that there are already a multitude of websites that don't work correctly with IE11 since it hasn't kept up with changing developments in webpage coding, the need to move ASAP becomes even more obvious.
 
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Re: Backup

Jonas Voll
 

Can you not run your Macrium rescue disk In Windows PE?

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 9:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Backup


Not true. You can't just shove the Macrium rescue disk into your DVD drive, and bang, zoom, it automatically restores your computer from the external hard drive without any intervention. You have to initiate the restoration procedure, which requires sight because there is no speech available when the rescue disk is loaded.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: John Covici
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 10:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Backup

Actuallyk, if you have a recovery disk, you do the restore from windows and it boots from the recovery disk and does its thing without intervention.

On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 08:38:08 -0400,
Gerald Levy wrote:

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I also use Macrium Reflect to periodically create image backups of my
computer. But you would still need tech-savvy sighted help to restore
the image from the backup external hard drive because the rescue disk
is totally inaccessible with JAWS.


Gerald



From: John Doering
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Backup

I use Macrium Reflect to back up my home computer. I like that with itοΏ½s
free version you can do disc cloning. It is also pretty accessible using
JAWS. You do need to use the JAWS cursor to access some functions, but it
it works very
well.



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Matzura
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 11:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Backup



Excellent question. VSS is Microsoft's own volume-shadowing driver and
technology. Here's the Terabyte Unlimited knowledgebase article about
point-in-time technology and strategies.
https://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=352

On 8/8/2018 10:31 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Richard,

I have pretty much given up on making assertions about
accessibility since things change such that something that had been
entirely accessible might become less so to just plain "not." That being
said, if you're trying to
make full system image backups and/or separate user data backups for a
home system I'd definitely give EaseUS To Do Backup Free a whirl just to
see whether it's accessible.

It's what I use not because it's the best (as in most
sophisticated and allows the most configuration) backup software out there
but because of the ease of use of its interface. My partner is, how shall
I put it, not
particularly technically inclined and he can run a routine backup with it
because once you set it up it's just a "click and run" affair.

In doing a quick whirl around the main program page with NVDA
just now I can easily land on the Recovery, Backup, and Advanced buttons.
I cannot seem to get over to the main column of setup buttons on the left
side, but
I'm not great with any of the newer navigation methods like Object
Navigation, so these may be accessible via a method I don't normally use
or could be entirely inaccessible. In the event that they are entirely
inaccessible, if you
have assistance to set up your backup schemes you can definitely run them
without any assistance, as that pane allows accessibility to all buttons.

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Re: IE vs. "Chrome"

 

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:18 AM, James Homuth wrote:
If by fading you mean dead, then yes.
IE has been "dead browser walking" for some time now.   Until Microsoft pulls it from a Windows 10 release, or at least announces that it will be doing so, I'm not willing to pronounce it dead just yet.

That being said, people should have stopped using IE11 a long time ago.   Yes, I get that it's familiar and comfortable, but the moment a maker like Microsoft announces that development, except for security patches, has ceased on what had been its flagship web browser the writing is on the wall.   Far better to get yourself acquainted with the alternatives and how to use them while you still have IE11 to fall back on.   The day is coming, and soon, where it's going to be a "switch or have nothing" situation for die-hard IE users.  When you add to this that there are already a multitude of websites that don't work correctly with IE11 since it hasn't kept up with changing developments in webpage coding, the need to move ASAP becomes even more obvious.
 
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    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: IE vs. "Chrome"

Sharon
 

What I meant was:
How do you go to web pages? In other words, what key stroke do you use to do
that?
I'm gathering it's control l.
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 10:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome"

Well, Chrome is a web browser and that is what I usually use it for, I do my
banking, go to supplier websites/online ordering systems, I do some online
shopping, use Google a lot to search for stuff etc.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome"

You just go to web pages?
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 9:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome"

Chrome has been accessible for a number of years, with Jaws certainly since
Jaws 17 which was released in the fall of 2015.
Control+O will bring up a standard Open dialogue I Chrome.
What files are you opening? Interestingly enough that is not a feature I
really ever use, I just go to web pages.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome"

Is there a tutorial on Chrome anywhere?
Does control o work to open a file?
Or control l like in Firefox?
I am looking for a way to load files faster.
Wasn't in inaccessible until recently?
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 8:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome"

There are no effects on other applications.
Chrome is a much faster browser, sites will load faster and there are many
more extensions available.
The same Jaws commands work with Chrome, e.g. all the quick nav keys for
finding buttons, form fields, headings etc. and also things like Jaws Key+F7
for a links list etc.
I suggest you go to Settings and sign in with your Google account after you
install Chrome as this will sync any information like what extensions are
installed etc. across devices or if you ever get a new computer.
If you use Favourites a lot you may not like Chrome, its bookmark manager is
in some ways less intuitive to use as Favourites in IE.
You can get Chrome by going to www.google.com/chrome, go to the very top and
use "b" to find the "Download Chrome" button.
Installing Chrome does not mean you can't use IE any more, you can make
either browser your default but use the other if needed. I use Chrome 99% of
the time, but still may fall back on IE or Firefox occasionally. For
example, on my Bank of Montreal Mastercard website Jaws will not read me my
Mastercard transaction details if I use Chrome. This is a table and Jaws
will read me the headings like transaction date, posting date, description
and amount, but then there is nothing else. With IE and Firefox I can use
proper table navigation to read this information.
I think it is a good idea to start to get used to Chrome since IE is no
longer being developed and it is just being maintained for now, a few more
years and it will most likely go away completely.
Firefox also works with the latest Jaws 2018 update and some people prefer
it over Chrome,but Chrome is definitely the big browser out there when it
comes to market share.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Pearson
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 9:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: IE vs. "Chrome"

Hello all:

Using Dell desktop(Windows7), and current version of Jaws. Browser is
currently I.E.

What are the advantages/disadvantages of changing to "Chrome", how would I
make the switch, and are there any negative ramifications (concerning other
pc programs) to doing so?

Thank you,



David S. Pearson


Re: IE vs. "Chrome"

James Homuth
 

If by fading you mean dead, then yes. Word is next major update to Win10 it takes a long walk.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: August-09-18 11:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome"

 

Chrome and Firefox both have been accessible (or as accessible as things can get in the ever changing world that is web browsers and browsing) for several years now.

I recall the days when it was IE and only IE, and I breathed a huge sigh of relief once "the dam broke" and efforts were made to make the other major web browsers accessible.  Given that Chrome's now #1, and by quite a large margin, it's got to be a focus for the writers of screen reader software.  IE has been fading fast, and is fading faster by the day.

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Re: IE vs. "Chrome"

 

Chrome and Firefox both have been accessible (or as accessible as things can get in the ever changing world that is web browsers and browsing) for several years now.

I recall the days when it was IE and only IE, and I breathed a huge sigh of relief once "the dam broke" and efforts were made to make the other major web browsers accessible.  Given that Chrome's now #1, and by quite a large margin, it's got to be a focus for the writers of screen reader software.  IE has been fading fast, and is fading faster by the day.

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    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


PDF vs. Google docs

Naomi Leibowitz
 

Hi

Just looking for some information if users find using Google Docs easier to use than a PDF.  Are google docs more accessible than PDF's?

Thank you in advance for your input. Naomi


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Re: Is there a way to encourage companies to make accessibility a prioity if you have a large base of users?

Mich Verrier
 

Poverty? These are molty billion doller companies. If any one should pleed poverity it should be theconsumers of these products for paying the amount that we have to pay for sutch products like jaws and other things like that. To me accessibillidey shoud be bilt in from the start not tacked on as a afterthought and then have a moad for lind or vi or what ever your disibillidey is and a sepprit moad for others. This includes for games, or any other thing that companies want to make accessible it should be thought of at the start not when the product is all ready out in the market and then have to re tune it with accessibillidey in mind and charge through the nose for it. From Mich.

               

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: August 8, 2018 8:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a way to encourage companies to make accessibility a prioity if you have a large base of users?

 

If there is a magic to it, no one has figured it  out in thirty-plus years. It's hit and miss, depending on the motivation of the developer or company. Most plead poverty--not enough staff to dedicate a single person to oversee or implement accessibility. But some, like guys like Ross Levi from Station Playlist, or the Weather Watcher guy, or the Tapin Radio guy, just to name a few prominent ones, are not only amenable to talking about accessibility with their users, but put their money where their mouth is and really do it.

 

On 8/8/2018 2:33 AM, David Ingram wrote:

Hi, there should be accessibility as something that should start from the ground up.  I can't see with all the things that are available now that companies are not aware of developer tools that are available to them to make accessibility the first thing that people can notice, especially if the developers no that with in there developers tools of choice that accessibility exist..  I'd like to know how can we educate developers and programmers the best practices to use over all?  Thank you list members for having any information that may help to increase accessibility for many different products even for those companies who may not have considered accessibility to begin with?

-----Original Message-----
From: Sandra Streeter
Sent: Aug 7, 2018 2:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: is there a way to encourage companies to make accessibility if you have a larbase of users?


Totally with you there! If a “sightee” can rely upon a given anti-virus or security product working, we should have the same option.

 

 

 

Sandra

"Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced."
(James Baldwin)

 

Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2018 9:29 AM

Subject: Re: is there a way to encourage companies to make accessibility if you have a larbase of users?

 

If an organization of the blind, like the American Council, or the National Federation, want to fight for something, often things change for the better.  Case in point was the ACB getting involved   with Major League Baseball inaccessibility.  The problem is getting them motivated.

My main question is why hasn't one or both of these groups fought for accessibility of virus protection products?

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 8/4/2018 11:56 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 11:43 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

"how can we convince companies to change their attitudes about accessibility?"

That is the one and only way that accessibility becomes, well, more accessible.  Using the correct kind of PR spin doesn't hurt, either.  There are no "big bucks" to be made via accessibility but the polishing of one's reputation that comes from making it a priority is a potential goldmine.  I don't think that either Microsoft or Apple, two of the biggest companies making accessibility a base expectation, are doing so because it improves their bottom line in the conventional sense, yet they're definitely getting something out of it and that's worth noting and encouraging.

Creating corporate cultures where accessibility is an expectation, rather than an afterthought if it's thought of at all, is the way forward.  At the moment, it seems the tide is shifting in that direction, at least for companies where that's practical (and, yes, it's much more difficult for tiny companies with limited resources than it is for companies with multi-billion [or trillion] valuations).  But what the "big ones" do does rub off.
 
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Re: FW: grouped conversations in outlook 2010 with last version of jaws 2018

 

William,

           I read the quoted material, but still am not quite getting what it is that you are trying to do and what part of doing it is giving you a problem.

           I work with Outlook 2010 all the time, and have not seen any changes in JAWS behavior with it on multiple clients' machines with clients using multiple JAWS versions all the way up to JAWS 2018.

           If I can get a clear picture of what it is you're trying to do I could probably help you to do it.

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    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill