Date   

moderated Re: "Clickable" WHAT?

 

Diane,

           I appreciate your having taken the time to offer these suggestions.

           What I want to make clear is that, since I can see the objects (very often just plain text) being announced as "Clickable," and have tried actually clicking on them to see if that does anything, I am absolutely certain that most of the "Clickable" announcements are being made about things that are not, in actuality, clickable.  Or, I guess I should say you can click on them but doing so has no effect whatsoever.  It's quite bizarre and I'd love to know the whats & whys of the clickable announcement.  As it stands it makes absolutely no functional sense in most cases where it occurs.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: Microsfot Exchange Account and Outlook 2016

Mario
 

I recently went thru this, but I'm not exactly sure if it applies to
your situation:

if you're setting up an Outlook.com account with Outlook 2016, there is
a secure screen or U A C dialog that internally pops up that JAWS or any
other screen reader won't be able to access. you will need someone
sighted to click the continue or yes button to complete the connection.
pressing alt+c I think for the secure screen or alt+y for the yes button
for the UAC won't work. this problem was supposed to be corrected by
Microsoft, but I guess they didn't. maybe Microsoft's Disability Answer
Desk (800-936-5900) might be able to help you if you want them to
remotely access your computer and click the respective buttons. or they
might even help to resolve your issue if it is more involved than what I
offered.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Joe DiNero [mailto:joedinero68@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 27, 2018 5:57 PM EST
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Microsfot Exchange Account and Outlook 2016

Good Evening Folks



Not exactly a JFW question. However, I am hoping someone can give a little
advice I just got a new part time position and the email address is a
Microsoft Exchange account and the online interface is a nightmare with JFW.
Is there some sort of secret with setting them up in Outlook 2016? I used
the new account wizard in Control Panel and it says it was successful
however, I am not seeing any of the email. Any clues?


moderated Re: "Clickable" WHAT?

Leedy Diane Bomar
 

Is it possible that “clicking” on an item in the list opens an image?
What happens with a right click?
Also, I really apppreciate the clear detail and links in your message.
What happens with other browsers?
Have you looked at the source code or changed the temporary JAWS settings, (JAWS-V), Quick Settings, Text links options?
I am sure that others on this list know more about this, than I, but, just wanted to throw out those suggestions.
HTH,
Diane Bomar


moderated Microsfot Exchange Account and Outlook 2016

Joe DiNero
 

Good Evening Folks

 

Not exactly a JFW question. However, I am hoping someone can give a little advice I just got a new part time position and the email address is a Microsoft Exchange account and the online interface is a nightmare with JFW. Is there some sort of secret with setting them up in Outlook 2016? I used the new account wizard in Control Panel and it says it was successful however, I am not seeing any of the email. Any clues?


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moderated Re: Headings List Behaving Erratically

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Yes. Either move a couple of characters forward with the Right Arrow, or, alternatively, Arrow up once, then TAB down to the link again to focus JAWS on the link.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 10:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Headings List Behaving Erratically

 

On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 09:06 am, Bill White wrote:

I think what you need to do is to move a couple of characters to the right when you go to one of these inconsistent headings.

And am I correct in assuming that just right arrowing a couple of times after using the "Move to heading" option from the headings list is what I should be doing?   I just want to be absolutely certain.

I will definitely give this a try when we get the "won't open the link when we've landed on a heading that is a link as well" syndrome.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated just curious

Curt Taubert
 

Are there any scrips for instant bird?

--
Have a blessed day. Curt


moderated Re: Headings List Behaving Erratically

 

On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 09:28 am, Nermin wrote:
That’s what blindys have to suffer. I’m used to that on the web though...
I am not foolish enough to even begin to believe that I've "encountered it all" with regard to the web and screen reader use, not even close to it, but this is the first time I've encountered this behavior with regard to using headings as what I call "click landmarks" that give you the descriptive information you need to decide whether a click is worth it.  Using INS+F6 on newspaper webpages, search engine results pages, product search results pages, and the list goes on allows you to eliminate having to look at a proverbial sea of garbage and come down to a  "pond of content with a few bits of floating detritus" in comparison.

It's just infuriating to me, and I can only begin to scratch the surface of how much more infuriating it must be to those who are encountering this sort of thing all the time.  What's even worse, at least from my perspective (and as someone sighted that's likely to be different than yours), is that it's often times well-nigh impossible to know if what one is encountering is a screen reader bug, a webpage coding bug, or something else entirely without digging way under the hood.  In my case, if I even have that luxury, it really disrupts the flow of my student learning what I'm hoping to teach them.  And before anyone says it, yes, I do know it teaches them the reality of how this technology sometimes "doesn't work" and that they need to be fluid about thinking about workarounds.  I try to teach that, too, but I prefer that to occur after the more basic skills of how one should be able to do things in "the typical case" have been firmly established.   Lately, with this student, given what he needs to be able to access, that seems to be well-nigh impossible to accomplish in practice.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: Using the outlook web interface with jaws

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Hi Kim,

No worries… glad it worked for you. I had the same struggles last June when we switched to Outlook as part of Office 365 at work.

Cheers,

Russell

On Jun 27, 2018, at 5:20 AM, Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com> wrote:

Russell,

You are the best! Thank you so much. I used the "manual" method
because, well, that's just how I roll. <g>

The light layout is so much better, so much simpler. What a relief.

Thanks again for saving me from another headache.

Kinm

On 6/26/18, Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Kimberly,

Here are instructions for changing Outlook on the web to a light version
that is more accessible.

If the following websites instructions don’t work by changing it in the
settings, then try the manual directions below.

Proper way, via settings:
https://kb.wisc.edu/page.php?id=34411
<https://kb.wisc.edu/page.php?id=34411>

Manual method:
After signing in by whatever method (probably outlook.yourinstitution.com
<http://outlook.yourinstitution.com/>), look at the address bar, it will
probably start with something like the following:
https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?blaughblaughblaugh
<https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?blaughblaughblaugh>
Just go and delete the blaughblaughblaugh part, and put in layout=light, so
the new address would be https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?layout=light
<https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?layout=light>

Make sure not to delete the question mark (?) in the URL.

Hope this helps,

Russell
On Jun 26, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi all,

Hoping someone can give me some help. In my office there is an ongoing
email issue that prevents us from sending or receiving email except
through the web interface of outlook.

The interface looks like it should be accessible enough, but for some
reason I am finding it incredibly confusing. If anyone has some
familiarity with the outlook interface and can give me some tips I
would very much appreciate the help. Our helpdesk folks have no idea
how soon the problems will be fixed so there's no telling how long I
will be trapped in outlook web mail hell.

Thanks in advance

--
Kimberly






--
Kimberly



moderated Re: Headings List Behaving Erratically

 

On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 09:06 am, Bill White wrote:
I think what you need to do is to move a couple of characters to the right when you go to one of these inconsistent headings.
And am I correct in assuming that just right arrowing a couple of times after using the "Move to heading" option from the headings list is what I should be doing?   I just want to be absolutely certain.

I will definitely give this a try when we get the "won't open the link when we've landed on a heading that is a link as well" syndrome.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: Using the outlook web interface with jaws

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Hi,

We are using Office 365 at work, and the web interface was not very user friendly with Jaws. It works much better in the light layout.

Cheers,

Russell

On Jun 27, 2018, at 10:16 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:

OK, that makes it a lot clearer, the link Russell provided talks about Office 365.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 9:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using the outlook web interface with jaws

Right now it's an Outlook account but my office is in the process of transitioning to Office 365. I haven't transitioned yet but somehow my account got hammered and hasn't worked since last Thursday, except through the web interface. Once I employed Russell's instructions to change the layout the screen became super accessible and easy to navigate with Jaws. I guess the best analogy I can draw is the difference between Gmail's html layout and the traditional layout which is a nightmare with Jaws.

On 6/27/18, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
Kim, is this for an OUtlook.com account or an Office 365 account?
When I log in on my Office 365 account and go to Mail I don't even get
these options to either change it via settings or to replace something
in the addressbar, but the web interface which I get is super
accessible, uncluttered and easy to use..

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimber
Gardner
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 4:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using the outlook web interface with jaws

Russell,

You are the best! Thank you so much. I used the "manual" method
because, well, that's just how I roll. <g>

The light layout is so much better, so much simpler. What a relief.

Thanks again for saving me from another headache.

Kinm

On 6/26/18, Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Kimberly,

Here are instructions for changing Outlook on the web to a light
version that is more accessible.

If the following websites instructions don’t work by changing it in
the settings, then try the manual directions below.

Proper way, via settings:
https://kb.wisc.edu/page.php?id=34411
<https://kb.wisc.edu/page.php?id=34411>

Manual method:
After signing in by whatever method (probably
outlook.yourinstitution.com <http://outlook.yourinstitution.com/>),
look at the address bar, it will probably start with something like
the
following:
https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?blaughblaughblaugh
<https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?blaughblaughblaugh>
Just go and delete the blaughblaughblaugh part, and put in
layout=light, so the new address would be
https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?layout=light
<https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?layout=light>

Make sure not to delete the question mark (?) in the URL.

Hope this helps,

Russell
On Jun 26, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Kimber Gardner
<kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi all,

Hoping someone can give me some help. In my office there is an
ongoing email issue that prevents us from sending or receiving email
except through the web interface of outlook.

The interface looks like it should be accessible enough, but for
some reason I am finding it incredibly confusing. If anyone has some
familiarity with the outlook interface and can give me some tips I
would very much appreciate the help. Our helpdesk folks have no idea
how soon the problems will be fixed so there's no telling how long I
will be trapped in outlook web mail hell.

Thanks in advance

--
Kimberly






--
Kimberly







--
Kimberly






moderated Re: Headings List Behaving Erratically

Nermin
 

Hi Brian,
 
try Bill’s suggestion or just use Tab wherever possible. Using any other key, including quick keys, may result in the link not being focused properly.
That’s what blindys have to suffer. I’m used to that on the web though...
 
Regards,
Nermin
 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 5:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Headings List Behaving Erratically
 
Nermin,

            My issue is not that the headings list, per se, is acting erratically - as they do all show - but what happens after you choose one to move to is.   Since all of the level 2 headings in an Amazon search correspond to the click-through text links for a specific product returned from the search, I expect that if I move to one of those headings, then hit either Enter (if I wish to overlay my search results in the current tab, then use backspace to return to them) or CTRL+Enter (to open in a separate tab) that the link will consistently open based on which command I issued.   It does not.  Sometimes the link opens, sometimes I get nothing.

            This makes no sense to me as I can see said headings/links and if I use "the sighted way" and point and click each and every one of them will open, but they're not doing that under JAWS.

             I can't decide if I'm doing something wrong or the web page is somehow coded peculiarly or if there's a bug of some sort in JAWS 2018.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: Using the outlook web interface with jaws

Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
 

I also have to use the web interface for my work email, and it was horrible until I found out about this way to set the layout several months ago. It was really almost unuseable.

Pam


________________________________________
From: main@jfw.groups.io [main@jfw.groups.io] on behalf of Kimber Gardner [kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 12:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using the outlook web interface with jaws

Right now it's an Outlook account but my office is in the process of
transitioning to Office 365. I haven't transitioned yet but somehow my
account got hammered and hasn't worked since last Thursday, except
through the web interface. Once I employed Russell's instructions to
change the layout the screen became super accessible and easy to
navigate with Jaws. I guess the best analogy I can draw is the
difference between Gmail's html layout and the traditional layout
which is a nightmare with Jaws.

On 6/27/18, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
Kim, is this for an OUtlook.com account or an Office 365 account?
When I log in on my Office 365 account and go to Mail I don't even get these
options to either change it via settings or to replace something in the
addressbar, but the web interface which I get is super accessible,
uncluttered and easy to use..

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 4:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using the outlook web interface with jaws

Russell,

You are the best! Thank you so much. I used the "manual" method because,
well, that's just how I roll. <g>

The light layout is so much better, so much simpler. What a relief.

Thanks again for saving me from another headache.

Kinm

On 6/26/18, Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Kimberly,

Here are instructions for changing Outlook on the web to a light
version that is more accessible.

If the following websites instructions don’t work by changing it in
the settings, then try the manual directions below.

Proper way, via settings:
https://kb.wisc.edu/page.php?id=34411
<https://kb.wisc.edu/page.php?id=34411>

Manual method:
After signing in by whatever method (probably
outlook.yourinstitution.com <http://outlook.yourinstitution.com/>),
look at the address bar, it will probably start with something like the
following:
https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?blaughblaughblaugh
<https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?blaughblaughblaugh>
Just go and delete the blaughblaughblaugh part, and put in
layout=light, so the new address would be
https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?layout=light
<https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?layout=light>

Make sure not to delete the question mark (?) in the URL.

Hope this helps,

Russell
On Jun 26, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Kimber Gardner
<kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi all,

Hoping someone can give me some help. In my office there is an
ongoing email issue that prevents us from sending or receiving email
except through the web interface of outlook.

The interface looks like it should be accessible enough, but for some
reason I am finding it incredibly confusing. If anyone has some
familiarity with the outlook interface and can give me some tips I
would very much appreciate the help. Our helpdesk folks have no idea
how soon the problems will be fixed so there's no telling how long I
will be trapped in outlook web mail hell.

Thanks in advance

--
Kimberly






--
Kimberly







--
Kimberly


moderated Re: Using the outlook web interface with jaws

 

OK, that makes it a lot clearer, the link Russell provided talks about Office 365.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 9:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using the outlook web interface with jaws

Right now it's an Outlook account but my office is in the process of transitioning to Office 365. I haven't transitioned yet but somehow my account got hammered and hasn't worked since last Thursday, except through the web interface. Once I employed Russell's instructions to change the layout the screen became super accessible and easy to navigate with Jaws. I guess the best analogy I can draw is the difference between Gmail's html layout and the traditional layout which is a nightmare with Jaws.

On 6/27/18, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
Kim, is this for an OUtlook.com account or an Office 365 account?
When I log in on my Office 365 account and go to Mail I don't even get
these options to either change it via settings or to replace something
in the addressbar, but the web interface which I get is super
accessible, uncluttered and easy to use..

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimber
Gardner
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 4:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using the outlook web interface with jaws

Russell,

You are the best! Thank you so much. I used the "manual" method
because, well, that's just how I roll. <g>

The light layout is so much better, so much simpler. What a relief.

Thanks again for saving me from another headache.

Kinm

On 6/26/18, Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Kimberly,

Here are instructions for changing Outlook on the web to a light
version that is more accessible.

If the following websites instructions don’t work by changing it in
the settings, then try the manual directions below.

Proper way, via settings:
https://kb.wisc.edu/page.php?id=34411
<https://kb.wisc.edu/page.php?id=34411>

Manual method:
After signing in by whatever method (probably
outlook.yourinstitution.com <http://outlook.yourinstitution.com/>),
look at the address bar, it will probably start with something like
the
following:
https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?blaughblaughblaugh
<https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?blaughblaughblaugh>
Just go and delete the blaughblaughblaugh part, and put in
layout=light, so the new address would be
https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?layout=light
<https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?layout=light>

Make sure not to delete the question mark (?) in the URL.

Hope this helps,

Russell
On Jun 26, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Kimber Gardner
<kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi all,

Hoping someone can give me some help. In my office there is an
ongoing email issue that prevents us from sending or receiving email
except through the web interface of outlook.

The interface looks like it should be accessible enough, but for
some reason I am finding it incredibly confusing. If anyone has some
familiarity with the outlook interface and can give me some tips I
would very much appreciate the help. Our helpdesk folks have no idea
how soon the problems will be fixed so there's no telling how long I
will be trapped in outlook web mail hell.

Thanks in advance

--
Kimberly






--
Kimberly







--
Kimberly


moderated Re: Using the outlook web interface with jaws

Kimber Gardner
 

Right now it's an Outlook account but my office is in the process of
transitioning to Office 365. I haven't transitioned yet but somehow my
account got hammered and hasn't worked since last Thursday, except
through the web interface. Once I employed Russell's instructions to
change the layout the screen became super accessible and easy to
navigate with Jaws. I guess the best analogy I can draw is the
difference between Gmail's html layout and the traditional layout
which is a nightmare with Jaws.

On 6/27/18, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
Kim, is this for an OUtlook.com account or an Office 365 account?
When I log in on my Office 365 account and go to Mail I don't even get these
options to either change it via settings or to replace something in the
addressbar, but the web interface which I get is super accessible,
uncluttered and easy to use..

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 4:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using the outlook web interface with jaws

Russell,

You are the best! Thank you so much. I used the "manual" method because,
well, that's just how I roll. <g>

The light layout is so much better, so much simpler. What a relief.

Thanks again for saving me from another headache.

Kinm

On 6/26/18, Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Kimberly,

Here are instructions for changing Outlook on the web to a light
version that is more accessible.

If the following websites instructions don’t work by changing it in
the settings, then try the manual directions below.

Proper way, via settings:
https://kb.wisc.edu/page.php?id=34411
<https://kb.wisc.edu/page.php?id=34411>

Manual method:
After signing in by whatever method (probably
outlook.yourinstitution.com <http://outlook.yourinstitution.com/>),
look at the address bar, it will probably start with something like the
following:
https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?blaughblaughblaugh
<https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?blaughblaughblaugh>
Just go and delete the blaughblaughblaugh part, and put in
layout=light, so the new address would be
https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?layout=light
<https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?layout=light>

Make sure not to delete the question mark (?) in the URL.

Hope this helps,

Russell
On Jun 26, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Kimber Gardner
<kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi all,

Hoping someone can give me some help. In my office there is an
ongoing email issue that prevents us from sending or receiving email
except through the web interface of outlook.

The interface looks like it should be accessible enough, but for some
reason I am finding it incredibly confusing. If anyone has some
familiarity with the outlook interface and can give me some tips I
would very much appreciate the help. Our helpdesk folks have no idea
how soon the problems will be fixed so there's no telling how long I
will be trapped in outlook web mail hell.

Thanks in advance

--
Kimberly






--
Kimberly






--
Kimberly


moderated Re: Headings List Behaving Erratically

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Brian. I think what you need to do is to move a couple of characters to the right when you go to one of these inconsistent headings. A lot of times, even when you think you are focused on a link, the JAWS virtual Cursor is not properly focused on the link. Moving a couple of characters forward on the link often resolves this problem.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 8:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Headings List Behaving Erratically

 

Nermin,

            My issue is not that the headings list, per se, is acting erratically - as they do all show - but what happens after you choose one to move to is.   Since all of the level 2 headings in an Amazon search correspond to the click-through text links for a specific product returned from the search, I expect that if I move to one of those headings, then hit either Enter (if I wish to overlay my search results in the current tab, then use backspace to return to them) or CTRL+Enter (to open in a separate tab) that the link will consistently open based on which command I issued.   It does not.  Sometimes the link opens, sometimes I get nothing.

            This makes no sense to me as I can see said headings/links and if I use "the sighted way" and point and click each and every one of them will open, but they're not doing that under JAWS.

             I can't decide if I'm doing something wrong or the web page is somehow coded peculiarly or if there's a bug of some sort in JAWS 2018.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: Using the outlook web interface with jaws

 

Kim, is this for an OUtlook.com account or an Office 365 account?
When I log in on my Office 365 account and go to Mail I don't even get these options to either change it via settings or to replace something in the addressbar, but the web interface which I get is super accessible, uncluttered and easy to use..

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 4:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using the outlook web interface with jaws

Russell,

You are the best! Thank you so much. I used the "manual" method because, well, that's just how I roll. <g>

The light layout is so much better, so much simpler. What a relief.

Thanks again for saving me from another headache.

Kinm

On 6/26/18, Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Kimberly,

Here are instructions for changing Outlook on the web to a light
version that is more accessible.

If the following websites instructions don’t work by changing it in
the settings, then try the manual directions below.

Proper way, via settings:
https://kb.wisc.edu/page.php?id=34411
<https://kb.wisc.edu/page.php?id=34411>

Manual method:
After signing in by whatever method (probably
outlook.yourinstitution.com <http://outlook.yourinstitution.com/>),
look at the address bar, it will probably start with something like the following:
https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?blaughblaughblaugh
<https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?blaughblaughblaugh>
Just go and delete the blaughblaughblaugh part, and put in
layout=light, so the new address would be
https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?layout=light
<https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?layout=light>

Make sure not to delete the question mark (?) in the URL.

Hope this helps,

Russell
On Jun 26, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Kimber Gardner
<kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi all,

Hoping someone can give me some help. In my office there is an
ongoing email issue that prevents us from sending or receiving email
except through the web interface of outlook.

The interface looks like it should be accessible enough, but for some
reason I am finding it incredibly confusing. If anyone has some
familiarity with the outlook interface and can give me some tips I
would very much appreciate the help. Our helpdesk folks have no idea
how soon the problems will be fixed so there's no telling how long I
will be trapped in outlook web mail hell.

Thanks in advance

--
Kimberly






--
Kimberly


moderated Re: Headings List Behaving Erratically

Mario
 

rarely I will experience the same issue you described (but not with
Amazon), and believe that the website/webpage had been coded slightly in
a non standard way, thus behaving not as expected and sometimes irradically.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 27, 2018 11:27 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Headings List Behaving Erratically

Nermin,

            My issue is not that the headings list, per se, is acting
erratically - as they do all show - but what happens after you choose
one to move to is.   Since all of the level 2 headings in an Amazon
search correspond to the click-through text links for a specific product
returned from the search, I expect that if I move to one of those
headings, then hit either Enter (if I wish to overlay my search results
in the current tab, then use backspace to return to them) or CTRL+Enter
(to open in a separate tab) that the link will consistently open based
on which command I issued.   It does not.  Sometimes the link opens,
sometimes I get nothing.

            This makes no sense to me as I can see said headings/links
and if I use "the sighted way" and point and click each and every one of
them will open, but they're not doing that under JAWS.

             I can't decide if I'm doing something wrong or the web
page is somehow coded peculiarly or if there's a bug of some sort in
JAWS 2018.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

    Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and
many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome,
charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in
one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

        ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: Headings List Behaving Erratically

 

Nermin,

            My issue is not that the headings list, per se, is acting erratically - as they do all show - but what happens after you choose one to move to is.   Since all of the level 2 headings in an Amazon search correspond to the click-through text links for a specific product returned from the search, I expect that if I move to one of those headings, then hit either Enter (if I wish to overlay my search results in the current tab, then use backspace to return to them) or CTRL+Enter (to open in a separate tab) that the link will consistently open based on which command I issued.   It does not.  Sometimes the link opens, sometimes I get nothing.

            This makes no sense to me as I can see said headings/links and if I use "the sighted way" and point and click each and every one of them will open, but they're not doing that under JAWS.

             I can't decide if I'm doing something wrong or the web page is somehow coded peculiarly or if there's a bug of some sort in JAWS 2018.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: Using the outlook web interface with jaws

Kimber Gardner
 

Russell,

You are the best! Thank you so much. I used the "manual" method
because, well, that's just how I roll. <g>

The light layout is so much better, so much simpler. What a relief.

Thanks again for saving me from another headache.

Kinm

On 6/26/18, Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Kimberly,

Here are instructions for changing Outlook on the web to a light version
that is more accessible.

If the following websites instructions don’t work by changing it in the
settings, then try the manual directions below.

Proper way, via settings:
https://kb.wisc.edu/page.php?id=34411
<https://kb.wisc.edu/page.php?id=34411>

Manual method:
After signing in by whatever method (probably outlook.yourinstitution.com
<http://outlook.yourinstitution.com/>), look at the address bar, it will
probably start with something like the following:
https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?blaughblaughblaugh
<https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?blaughblaughblaugh>
Just go and delete the blaughblaughblaugh part, and put in layout=light, so
the new address would be https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?layout=light
<https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?layout=light>

Make sure not to delete the question mark (?) in the URL.

Hope this helps,

Russell
On Jun 26, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi all,

Hoping someone can give me some help. In my office there is an ongoing
email issue that prevents us from sending or receiving email except
through the web interface of outlook.

The interface looks like it should be accessible enough, but for some
reason I am finding it incredibly confusing. If anyone has some
familiarity with the outlook interface and can give me some tips I
would very much appreciate the help. Our helpdesk folks have no idea
how soon the problems will be fixed so there's no telling how long I
will be trapped in outlook web mail hell.

Thanks in advance

--
Kimberly





--
Kimberly


moderated Re: "Clickable" WHAT?

Nermin
 

Hi Brian,
 
you can open your browser of choice and change the setting “announce attributes”. Experiment with that and see if turning it off will get rid of “clickable”. I would suspect that this is a poorly designed site and that they just overdid it.
Usually, you activate clickable elements just like you would with any link, i.e. by pressing enter or a cursor routing buttun on a Braille display.
The mouse over stuff one can hear on certain pages is a bit different, since you activate that with Control+JAWSKey+Enter. JAWS will tell you that line x has changed, and you can hen jump to the respective line using the quick key j.
Also, try experimenting with sound assignment for attributes, that will get rid of the announcement but you will still be alerted to clickable elements.
 
Hope that helps.
 
Regards,
Nermin
 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 12:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "Clickable" WHAT?
 
Hello All,

         I want to state before going any further that I did search the forum archive and while there was a lot of material out there complaining about the endless announcement of clickable on webpages, but nothing that seemed to explain why or how to resolve it.  If I missed it and this turns out to be an unwelcome rerun I apologize in advance.

         I am working with JAWS 2018 and the latest version of Firefox.  The pages in question are the individual item pages in the McMaster Carr online catalog (mcmaster.com).  Additional questions, but unrelated to the "clickable" issue, will be coming.

         While there are certain elements on the page, particularly search result narrowing items on the left side of the page, really are "clickable" and that how I activate them when I want to include only results that include the attribute(s) in question, virtually every row and column of a table that gives dimensional or feature information for the item is being announced as "clickable" and it absolutely is not in any meaningful sense of that word.

          Can anyone tell me:

                 1.  What on earth is being indicated by saying "clickable" on text that, when one clicks on it, has absolutely no effect?  It's just plain text.

                 2.  Why anything that isn't clickable in the conventional sense of "you click it and some action will be performed" is being called such?

                 3.  How to get this insane flooding of "clickable" announcements to stop?

An example of the sort of page where you get endless "clickable" announcements from JAWS is for any one of the individual tie-down products on this McMaster Carr webpage:  https://www.mcmaster.com/#cargo-tie-downs/=1dgh56u     I believe it was also occurring on a single product description page, too, e.g., https://www.mcmaster.com/#8840t561/=1dgh5xg where the table on the page is having "clickable" announced on each and every item as one is walked through it.

Thank you in advance for any insights you have to offer.  This is entirely new "weird behavior" territory for me, particularly on the scale at which it's occurring.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain