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moderated Re: "Clickable" WHAT?

Nermin
 

Hi Brian,
 
you can open your browser of choice and change the setting “announce attributes”. Experiment with that and see if turning it off will get rid of “clickable”. I would suspect that this is a poorly designed site and that they just overdid it.
Usually, you activate clickable elements just like you would with any link, i.e. by pressing enter or a cursor routing buttun on a Braille display.
The mouse over stuff one can hear on certain pages is a bit different, since you activate that with Control+JAWSKey+Enter. JAWS will tell you that line x has changed, and you can hen jump to the respective line using the quick key j.
Also, try experimenting with sound assignment for attributes, that will get rid of the announcement but you will still be alerted to clickable elements.
 
Hope that helps.
 
Regards,
Nermin
 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 12:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "Clickable" WHAT?
 
Hello All,

         I want to state before going any further that I did search the forum archive and while there was a lot of material out there complaining about the endless announcement of clickable on webpages, but nothing that seemed to explain why or how to resolve it.  If I missed it and this turns out to be an unwelcome rerun I apologize in advance.

         I am working with JAWS 2018 and the latest version of Firefox.  The pages in question are the individual item pages in the McMaster Carr online catalog (mcmaster.com).  Additional questions, but unrelated to the "clickable" issue, will be coming.

         While there are certain elements on the page, particularly search result narrowing items on the left side of the page, really are "clickable" and that how I activate them when I want to include only results that include the attribute(s) in question, virtually every row and column of a table that gives dimensional or feature information for the item is being announced as "clickable" and it absolutely is not in any meaningful sense of that word.

          Can anyone tell me:

                 1.  What on earth is being indicated by saying "clickable" on text that, when one clicks on it, has absolutely no effect?  It's just plain text.

                 2.  Why anything that isn't clickable in the conventional sense of "you click it and some action will be performed" is being called such?

                 3.  How to get this insane flooding of "clickable" announcements to stop?

An example of the sort of page where you get endless "clickable" announcements from JAWS is for any one of the individual tie-down products on this McMaster Carr webpage:  https://www.mcmaster.com/#cargo-tie-downs/=1dgh56u     I believe it was also occurring on a single product description page, too, e.g., https://www.mcmaster.com/#8840t561/=1dgh5xg where the table on the page is having "clickable" announced on each and every item as one is walked through it.

Thank you in advance for any insights you have to offer.  This is entirely new "weird behavior" territory for me, particularly on the scale at which it's occurring.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: Headings List Behaving Erratically

Nermin
 

Hi Brian,
 
here is the history window output from JAWS 2018 with firefox. This is using JAWS in German, hence the German word for heading.
I never use the links list, I almost exclusively just go heading by heading using h or shift+h, or I use the numbers on the number row. This time, I used the number 2 to jump from heading to heading directly, and this is the output I’m getting:
 
Amazon.com: car gps: Electronics - Mozilla Firefox
Garmin DriveSmart 51 NA LMT-S with Lifetime Maps/Traffic, Live… Überschrift Link
Garmin DriveSmart 51 NA LMT-S with Lifetime Maps/Traffic, Live Parking, Bluetooth,WiFi, Smart Notifications, Voice Activation, Driver Alerts, TripAdvisor, Foursquare
The best car GPS
Überschrift Link Garmin DriveSmart 51 NA LMT-S with Lifetime Maps/Traffic, Live…
Garmin
TomTom GO 520 5-Inch GPS Navigation Device with Free…
Überschrift Link
Garmin DriveAssist 51 NA LMT-S w/Lifetime Maps/Traffic, Dash…
Überschrift Link
Garmin Drive 50 USA LM GPS Navigator System with Lifetime Maps, Spoken Turn-By-Turn Directions, Direct Access, Driver Alerts, and Foursquare Data
Überschrift Link
Car GPS Navigation, 7 inch Touch Screen + 8GB Voice Prompt GPS Navigation for Car with Lifetime Maps and Built-in Multi-Media and FM
Überschrift Link
GPS Navigation for Car, 5 Inch Touch Screen Voice Reminding Vehicle GPS Navigator 128MB 8GB System Lifetime Free Map
Überschrift Link
Teeno GPS Navigation for Car (5inch) Car GPS Navigator built-in Satellite Navigation System, Voice Notification, Lifetime Maps and Traffic, Driver Alerts
Überschrift Link
Car GPS Navigation, 7-inch HD capacitive screen voice navigation system, 256MB, extend 32GB Memory Multi-functional car charger and high-speed data cable
- Lifetime map update
Überschrift Link
Garmin DriveSmart 61 NA LMT-S with Lifetime Maps/Traffic, Live Parking, Bluetooth,WiFi, Smart Notifications, Voice Activation, Driver Alerts, TripAdvisor,
Foursquare
Überschrift Link
GPS Tracker Vyncs No Monthly Fee OBD, Real Time 3G Car GPS Tracking, Trips, Free 1 Year Data Plan, Teen Unsafe Driving Alert, Engine Data, Fleet Monitoring,
Fuel Report, Optional Roadside Assistance
Überschrift Link
GPS Navigation for Car, 7 Inch Car GPS Navigation System 8GB Touch Screen Vehicle GPS Navigator with Lifetime Map Update
Überschrift Link
Garmin Drive 50 USA LMT GPS Navigator System with Lifetime Maps and Traffic, Driver Alerts, Direct Access, and Foursquare data
Überschrift Link
7 inch HD GPS Car Navigation System, 128MB System 8GB Memory Capacitive Touch Screen, Real Man and Woman Broadcast Top Loading North America Map, Map Lifetime
Free Update (Black)
Überschrift Link
GPS Holder for Car, Cell Phone Holder Car Dashboard, Reusable Silicone Pad Universal Car Mount Cradle for Garmin GPS, Iphone 6 Plus 7 Plus 8 Plus X,Samsung
Galaxy S9 S8,3-6.8 Inch Smartphones - Black
Überschrift Link
TomTom VIA 1515M 5-Inch GPS with Lifetime Map Updates
Überschrift Link
SHENEN GPS Navigation for Car, Vehicle GPS SAT NAV 7 Inches 8GB Capacitive Touchscreen, Spoken Turn-to-Turn Navigation Included Overall America Maps with
Lifetime Free Updates and 2 Car Charger
Überschrift Link
junsun 7" Car GPS Navigation Vehicle GPS Capacitive Touchscreen Built-in 8GB FM MP3 MP4 Sat nav Navigator with Lifetime Maps
Überschrift Link
ADiPROD Car GPS, Car GPS Navigation system, GPS Navigation for Car, SAT NAV, 7 inch HD Real Voice Navigator, Dash Board Mount & USB Cable & Car Charger,
Free Lifetime Map Update
Überschrift Link
TomTom VIA 1415M 4.3-Inch Portable Touchscreen Car GPS Navigation Device - Lifetime Map Updates (Certified Refurbished)
Überschrift Link
GPS Navigator,CCsky 7" Drive GPS Navigator with Free Lifetime Maps,800x480 Touch Screen GPS Navigation Stereo System with 8GB Memory for Car,Advanced Lane
Guidance and Spoken Turn-By-Turn Directions
Überschrift Link
Dashboard Pad Mounting Disk for Dashboard Suction Cup Car Mount Phone Holder GPS Holder Universal Plastic Mounting Pad Non-Slip Mat with 3M Adhesive for
Suction Cup Phone Holder Cradle 3 Pcs
Überschrift Link
Spy Tec STI GL300 Mini Portable Real Time Personal and Vehicle GPS Tracker
Überschrift Link
 
Regards,
Nermin

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 12:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Headings List Behaving Erratically
 
On a smile.amazon.com page, in this one a search for car GPS:

                 https://smile.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_2_7?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=car+gps&sprefix=car+gps%2Caps%2C204&crid=3PV9DKR2H61VR

the results of interest are all Level 2 headings, and it's far easier to cruise through those to decide what one would like to explore further than it is to try dealing with the list of links on an Amazon search results page.

That being the case, I encourage clients to bring up the list of headings with INS+F6, scan through the headings then hit enter once one encounters an item of interest, then hitting Enter again if one wants the link for that product represented by the header (which also happens to be a link) to open in the same tab as one is viewing the search results in or to use CTRL+Enter if they want it to open in a tab of its own.

The weird thing is that this technique is unpredictably erratic in the end result.  Earlier today, when using the page I gave the link to.  If one followed that technique for the first level 2 heading (which is the first product search result), it works perfectly - you zoom right over to the webpage with the product info.  However, if you pick a level 2 heading for another product that's further down the list of headings it simply doesn't; you go nowhere.  I also find it weird that no matter what heading you go to the output from JAWS is "blank."  I would think it should repeat the heading text when you use the "move to heading" function, but it doesn't.

What, if anything, am I doing wrong here?
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

John Covici
 

This solution assumes you have a voip account with someone,
flowroute.com for example and you can get dids from them if you want a
phone number where someone can call you.

On Tue, 26 Jun 2018 23:12:21 -0400,
Cristóbal wrote:

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Is there a call waiting feature for a second incoming call? The ability to accept/reject a call?

Perhaps a silly question since I’m not well versed in this stuff, but where or how would you obtain the phone number?



main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Mote
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 10:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile



Hi there! Here is what I have.

The documentation is here if you’d like to look into it:

https://freeswitch.org/confluence/display/FREESWITCH/FSClient.

This also has hotkeys for answering calls (It also sets the focus of the window to the front when a call comes in, so if you’re doing something else, the answer call bubble will pop up on top), ending calls, and muting (It has a hold
button too, but there’s no assigned hotkey). There’s also a hotkey for setting the focus back to the dial pad.



This is a direct download link to the zip file if you’d like to test it:

http://files.freeswitch.org/windows/installer/x86/FSClient.zip.







From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile



Can’t find much when I google “FS Client” of “FS voip client” or other versions of that. Do you have a website?



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Mote
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 9:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile



The most accessible VOIP application that I have found on the PC is called FS Client. It has no affiliation with Freedom Scientific. It is very user friendly, and works better than BRIA did on the computer in my case.





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 11:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile



For iOS Bria is definitely the way to go, Groundwire always used to be accessible as well, but I think Bria is better. They also hae a PC application, not sure how this all works now with Windows 10 and UWP apps and if desktop versions
are still supported/developed. In any case, I never did try the desktop version.

This might be a good question also on Jonathan Mosen’s Blind Phones list.



Regards,

Sieghard



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 8:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile



Cristóbal,

If you have a Google account I would strongly suggest you at least try out getting a Google Voice number and then playing with the Hangouts app on iOS and possibly under Chrome. One can also access the Hangouts functionality
at hangouts.google.com.

I do not believe a hold function is available, but I do know that a mute function is. I also don't know if one can use it to do multi-way calling for phone calls, but I know that one can do so for the built-in video calling
function, but that applies only to others who have Google Accounts.

My business number is a Google Voice number that I access exclusively via Hangouts. One can also use the native Google Voice webpage, too, but I haven't done that in ages because, for me, Hangouts is a superior interface.

Since it's free and not all that complicated to set up it's worth giving it a whirl and reporting back on what is, and is not, accessible via the various interfaces. If you want to talk to me off-list about this you know how
to reach me.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the
earth all one's lifetime.

~ Mark Twain

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


moderated Re: "Ghost Reading" in JAWS 2018

Cristóbal
 

OH yeah. It's rather annoying.
Say if I switch from the calendar tab to the inbox and I’m in the body of the message, Jaws will sometimes just speak the calendar stuff I was just at. The annoying part is when Jaws does this, the navigation keys won't work. I can arrow up or down or by paragraph or even type if I'm emailing or whatever and Jaws is stuck on this text. In order to get focus properly back, I either have to alt plus tab and then back or maybe a control plus sshift plus tab and back.
That or say if I'm in a calendar appointment and am in the notes section of the appointment, Jaws will again, speak the other part of the appointment window (appt time and or address) or some other text like the associated email account and again, I have to shift tab and then tab back to get proper focus to have Jaws read where I actually am or where I can review what I just typed and so on.
This can happen while I'm in the middle of doing something or if the screen is idle.
I've got the fully installed Office 2016 program on my systems so I don't know if that makes any sort of difference with the Office 365 apps.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 9:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Ghost Reading" in JAWS 2018

I don't recall running into this in Outlook.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 4:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Ghost Reading" in JAWS 2018

Happens all the time in Outlook 2016. What's worse is that refreshing the page doesn't do anything and Jaws will not read what's currently on the page without you having to alt plus tab out of the window or maybe tab or shift tab depending on the window you're on.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 3:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Ghost Reading" in JAWS 2018

I still have Jaws 18 and it also does this. You can fix it by hitting Jaws key plus escape whenever it happens.

On 6/26/18, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
When having JAWS 2018 read on one webpage, and transitioning to
another, I am very often having JAWS continue reading what was on the
previous page, and quite a bit of it, rather than picking up with the
new material on the new webpage. I hasten to add that this is not a
transition being made while JAWS is in the midst of reading on one
page while the next one loads, but after JAWS has already had reading
stopped on the currently displayed page prior to initiating the transition to the next.

I can never recall this occurring in older versions of JAWS though,
since I don't use JAWS routinely, I might not have encountered the
behavior in the past.

What gives, and is there a way to stop this from happening?

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and
many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome,
charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in
one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

~ Mark Twain




moderated Re: Using the outlook web interface with jaws

 

Why do I get a totally different and fully accessible page? I’m not complaining of course, but just wondering.

When I log into Office 365 and go to the Outlook Web App, the address is this:

https://outlook.office.com/owa/

 

I get very easy links for the different mailboxes, it says how many unread messages are in said mailboxes and the actual list of messages is  a table where there is a “Select All” checkbox at the top before the table and then each message has a checkbox on the left side and I can use table navigation to go down the “From” column, over to the date or subject etc. At the very bottom it says “

Connected to Microsoft Exchange”.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 7:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using the outlook web interface with jaws

 

Hi Kimberly,

 

Here are instructions for changing Outlook on the web to a light version that is more accessible.

 

If the following websites instructions don’t work by changing it in the settings, then try the manual directions below. 

 

Proper way, via settings:

 

Manual method:

After signing in by whatever method (probably outlook.yourinstitution.com), look at the address bar, it will probably start with something like the following: https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?blaughblaughblaugh

Just go and delete the blaughblaughblaugh part, and put in layout=light, so the new address would be https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?layout=light

 

Make sure not to delete the question mark (?) in the URL.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Russell

On Jun 26, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1963@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,

Hoping someone can give me some help. In my office there is an ongoing
email issue that prevents us from sending or receiving email except
through the web interface of outlook.

The interface looks like it should be accessible enough, but for some
reason I am finding it incredibly confusing. If anyone has some
familiarity with the outlook interface and can give me some tips I
would very much appreciate the help. Our helpdesk folks have no idea
how soon the problems will be fixed so there's no telling how long I
will be trapped in outlook web mail hell.

Thanks in advance

--
Kimberly


 


moderated Re: "Ghost Reading" in JAWS 2018

 

I don't recall running into this in Outlook.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 4:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Ghost Reading" in JAWS 2018

Happens all the time in Outlook 2016. What's worse is that refreshing the page doesn't do anything and Jaws will not read what's currently on the page without you having to alt plus tab out of the window or maybe tab or shift tab depending on the window you're on.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 3:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Ghost Reading" in JAWS 2018

I still have Jaws 18 and it also does this. You can fix it by hitting Jaws key plus escape whenever it happens.

On 6/26/18, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
When having JAWS 2018 read on one webpage, and transitioning to
another, I am very often having JAWS continue reading what was on the
previous page, and quite a bit of it, rather than picking up with the
new material on the new webpage. I hasten to add that this is not a
transition being made while JAWS is in the midst of reading on one
page while the next one loads, but after JAWS has already had reading
stopped on the currently displayed page prior to initiating the transition to the next.

I can never recall this occurring in older versions of JAWS though,
since I don't use JAWS routinely, I might not have encountered the
behavior in the past.

What gives, and is there a way to stop this from happening?

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and
many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome,
charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in
one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

~ Mark Twain




moderated Re: "Clickable" WHAT?

HH. Smith Jr.
 

My Bad, I was using I.E. using Firefox now. Sorry for that.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of HH. Smith Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 12:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Clickable" WHAT?

 

Hey Brian,

 

I visited the said links and I didn’t find or hear  “clickable”

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 6:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "Clickable" WHAT?

 

Hello All,

         I want to state before going any further that I did search the forum archive and while there was a lot of material out there complaining about the endless announcement of clickable on webpages, but nothing that seemed to explain why or how to resolve it.  If I missed it and this turns out to be an unwelcome rerun I apologize in advance.

         I am working with JAWS 2018 and the latest version of Firefox.  The pages in question are the individual item pages in the McMaster Carr online catalog (mcmaster.com).  Additional questions, but unrelated to the "clickable" issue, will be coming.

         While there are certain elements on the page, particularly search result narrowing items on the left side of the page, really are "clickable" and that how I activate them when I want to include only results that include the attribute(s) in question, virtually every row and column of a table that gives dimensional or feature information for the item is being announced as "clickable" and it absolutely is not in any meaningful sense of that word.

          Can anyone tell me:

                 1.  What on earth is being indicated by saying "clickable" on text that, when one clicks on it, has absolutely no effect?  It's just plain text.

                 2.  Why anything that isn't clickable in the conventional sense of "you click it and some action will be performed" is being called such?

                 3.  How to get this insane flooding of "clickable" announcements to stop?

An example of the sort of page where you get endless "clickable" announcements from JAWS is for any one of the individual tie-down products on this McMaster Carr webpage:  https://www.mcmaster.com/#cargo-tie-downs/=1dgh56u     I believe it was also occurring on a single product description page, too, e.g., https://www.mcmaster.com/#8840t561/=1dgh5xg where the table on the page is having "clickable" announced on each and every item as one is walked through it.

Thank you in advance for any insights you have to offer.  This is entirely new "weird behavior" territory for me, particularly on the scale at which it's occurring.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: "Clickable" WHAT?

HH. Smith Jr.
 

Hey Brian,

 

I visited the said links and I didn’t find or hear  “clickable”

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 6:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "Clickable" WHAT?

 

Hello All,

         I want to state before going any further that I did search the forum archive and while there was a lot of material out there complaining about the endless announcement of clickable on webpages, but nothing that seemed to explain why or how to resolve it.  If I missed it and this turns out to be an unwelcome rerun I apologize in advance.

         I am working with JAWS 2018 and the latest version of Firefox.  The pages in question are the individual item pages in the McMaster Carr online catalog (mcmaster.com).  Additional questions, but unrelated to the "clickable" issue, will be coming.

         While there are certain elements on the page, particularly search result narrowing items on the left side of the page, really are "clickable" and that how I activate them when I want to include only results that include the attribute(s) in question, virtually every row and column of a table that gives dimensional or feature information for the item is being announced as "clickable" and it absolutely is not in any meaningful sense of that word.

          Can anyone tell me:

                 1.  What on earth is being indicated by saying "clickable" on text that, when one clicks on it, has absolutely no effect?  It's just plain text.

                 2.  Why anything that isn't clickable in the conventional sense of "you click it and some action will be performed" is being called such?

                 3.  How to get this insane flooding of "clickable" announcements to stop?

An example of the sort of page where you get endless "clickable" announcements from JAWS is for any one of the individual tie-down products on this McMaster Carr webpage:  https://www.mcmaster.com/#cargo-tie-downs/=1dgh56u     I believe it was also occurring on a single product description page, too, e.g., https://www.mcmaster.com/#8840t561/=1dgh5xg where the table on the page is having "clickable" announced on each and every item as one is walked through it.

Thank you in advance for any insights you have to offer.  This is entirely new "weird behavior" territory for me, particularly on the scale at which it's occurring.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

Cristóbal
 

Hello Michael,

Do you know if one can configure a Google Voice number to work with this client?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Mote
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 10:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

 

Hi there!  Here is what I have.

The documentation is here if you’d like to look into it:

https://freeswitch.org/confluence/display/FREESWITCH/FSClient.

This also has hotkeys for answering calls (It also sets the focus of the window to the front when a call comes in, so if you’re doing something else, the answer call bubble will pop up on top), ending calls, and muting (It has a hold button too, but there’s no assigned hotkey). There’s also a hotkey for setting the focus back to the dial pad.

 

This is a direct download link to the zip file if you’d like to test it:

http://files.freeswitch.org/windows/installer/x86/FSClient.zip.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

 

Can’t find much when I google “FS Client” of “FS voip client” or other versions of that. Do you have a website?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Mote
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 9:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

 

The most accessible VOIP application that I have found on the PC is called FS Client.  It has no affiliation with Freedom Scientific.  It is very user friendly, and works better than BRIA did on the computer in my case. 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 11:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

 

For iOS Bria is definitely the way to go, Groundwire always used to be accessible as well, but I think Bria is better. They also hae a PC application, not sure how this all works now with Windows 10 and UWP apps and if desktop versions are still supported/developed. In any case, I never did try the desktop version.

This might be a good question also on Jonathan Mosen’s Blind Phones list.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 8:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

 

Cristóbal,

            If you have a Google account I would strongly suggest you at least try out getting a Google Voice number and then playing with the Hangouts app on iOS and possibly under Chrome.  One can also access the Hangouts functionality at hangouts.google.com.

            I do not believe a hold function is available, but I do know that a mute function is.  I also don't know if one can use it to do multi-way calling for phone calls, but I know that one can do so for the built-in video calling function, but that applies only to others who have Google Accounts.

            My business number is a Google Voice number that I access exclusively via Hangouts.  One can also use the native Google Voice webpage, too, but I haven't done that in ages because, for me, Hangouts is a superior interface.

            Since it's free and not all that complicated to set up it's worth giving it a whirl and reporting back on what is, and is not, accessible via the various interfaces.  If you want to talk to me off-list about this you know how to reach me.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

Cristóbal
 

Is there a call waiting feature for a second incoming call? The ability to accept/reject a call?

Perhaps a silly question since I’m not well versed in this stuff, but where or how would you obtain the phone number?

 

main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Mote
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 10:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

 

Hi there!  Here is what I have.

The documentation is here if you’d like to look into it:

https://freeswitch.org/confluence/display/FREESWITCH/FSClient.

This also has hotkeys for answering calls (It also sets the focus of the window to the front when a call comes in, so if you’re doing something else, the answer call bubble will pop up on top), ending calls, and muting (It has a hold button too, but there’s no assigned hotkey). There’s also a hotkey for setting the focus back to the dial pad.

 

This is a direct download link to the zip file if you’d like to test it:

http://files.freeswitch.org/windows/installer/x86/FSClient.zip.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

 

Can’t find much when I google “FS Client” of “FS voip client” or other versions of that. Do you have a website?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Mote
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 9:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

 

The most accessible VOIP application that I have found on the PC is called FS Client.  It has no affiliation with Freedom Scientific.  It is very user friendly, and works better than BRIA did on the computer in my case. 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 11:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

 

For iOS Bria is definitely the way to go, Groundwire always used to be accessible as well, but I think Bria is better. They also hae a PC application, not sure how this all works now with Windows 10 and UWP apps and if desktop versions are still supported/developed. In any case, I never did try the desktop version.

This might be a good question also on Jonathan Mosen’s Blind Phones list.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 8:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

 

Cristóbal,

            If you have a Google account I would strongly suggest you at least try out getting a Google Voice number and then playing with the Hangouts app on iOS and possibly under Chrome.  One can also access the Hangouts functionality at hangouts.google.com.

            I do not believe a hold function is available, but I do know that a mute function is.  I also don't know if one can use it to do multi-way calling for phone calls, but I know that one can do so for the built-in video calling function, but that applies only to others who have Google Accounts.

            My business number is a Google Voice number that I access exclusively via Hangouts.  One can also use the native Google Voice webpage, too, but I haven't done that in ages because, for me, Hangouts is a superior interface.

            Since it's free and not all that complicated to set up it's worth giving it a whirl and reporting back on what is, and is not, accessible via the various interfaces.  If you want to talk to me off-list about this you know how to reach me.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: "Clickable" WHAT?

 

Thanks Bill.  Given how distracting, and generally useless and misleading, the "Clickable" designation is I'd far rather it be off on the rare occasions where it might be accurate and helpful than on with the resultant auditory diarrhea.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: "Clickable" WHAT?

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Brian. I think that the problem of JAWS saying clickable is brought about because the descriptions are bracketed by some sort of graphics on the web page. The following is the only workaround I have seen to prevent this, and involves turning off the attribute element identification in Internet Explorer.

 

 

In Settings Center under the Web / HTML / PDFs category, there is a subcategory labeled Miscellaneous.

 

Under Miscellaneous there is a setting labeled Indicate Element Attribute.

 

Unchecking this setting will stop Jaws from saying Clickable

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 3:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "Clickable" WHAT?

 

Hello All,

         I want to state before going any further that I did search the forum archive and while there was a lot of material out there complaining about the endless announcement of clickable on webpages, but nothing that seemed to explain why or how to resolve it.  If I missed it and this turns out to be an unwelcome rerun I apologize in advance.

         I am working with JAWS 2018 and the latest version of Firefox.  The pages in question are the individual item pages in the McMaster Carr online catalog (mcmaster.com).  Additional questions, but unrelated to the "clickable" issue, will be coming.

         While there are certain elements on the page, particularly search result narrowing items on the left side of the page, really are "clickable" and that how I activate them when I want to include only results that include the attribute(s) in question, virtually every row and column of a table that gives dimensional or feature information for the item is being announced as "clickable" and it absolutely is not in any meaningful sense of that word.

          Can anyone tell me:

                 1.  What on earth is being indicated by saying "clickable" on text that, when one clicks on it, has absolutely no effect?  It's just plain text.

                 2.  Why anything that isn't clickable in the conventional sense of "you click it and some action will be performed" is being called such?

                 3.  How to get this insane flooding of "clickable" announcements to stop?

An example of the sort of page where you get endless "clickable" announcements from JAWS is for any one of the individual tie-down products on this McMaster Carr webpage:  https://www.mcmaster.com/#cargo-tie-downs/=1dgh56u     I believe it was also occurring on a single product description page, too, e.g., https://www.mcmaster.com/#8840t561/=1dgh5xg where the table on the page is having "clickable" announced on each and every item as one is walked through it.

Thank you in advance for any insights you have to offer.  This is entirely new "weird behavior" territory for me, particularly on the scale at which it's occurring.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: Using the outlook web interface with jaws

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Hi Kimberly,

Here are instructions for changing Outlook on the web to a light version that is more accessible.

If the following websites instructions don’t work by changing it in the settings, then try the manual directions below. 

Proper way, via settings:
 
Manual method:
After signing in by whatever method (probably outlook.yourinstitution.com), look at the address bar, it will probably start with something like the following: https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?blaughblaughblaugh
Just go and delete the blaughblaughblaugh part, and put in layout=light, so the new address would be https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?layout=light

Make sure not to delete the question mark (?) in the URL.

Hope this helps,

Russell

On Jun 26, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1963@...> wrote:

Hi all,

Hoping someone can give me some help. In my office there is an ongoing
email issue that prevents us from sending or receiving email except
through the web interface of outlook.

The interface looks like it should be accessible enough, but for some
reason I am finding it incredibly confusing. If anyone has some
familiarity with the outlook interface and can give me some tips I
would very much appreciate the help. Our helpdesk folks have no idea
how soon the problems will be fixed so there's no telling how long I
will be trapped in outlook web mail hell.

Thanks in advance

--
Kimberly





moderated Re: "Ghost Reading" in JAWS 2018

 

Gentlemen (or, perhaps, Lady & Cristóbal), thank you for letting me know that this is not only happening to me.

I think my last student with JAWS was on JAWS 17, and I dealt with prior versions all the way back to JAWS 10, and I do not recall that having happened.

There have been a couple of major issues with JAWS 2018 on this machine, and I thought we'd resolved them all, and I had the uneasy feeling that this might be the next one rearing its ugly head.  Apparently not.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

Andre Polykanine <andre@...>
 

Cristóbal and everyone,
At the company where I work we use PhonerLite:
http://phonerlite.de/index_en.htm
It is fairly accessible, though you will need to go for JAWS cursor to
make some adjustments.
Here is the direct link:
http://www.phoner.de/PhonerLiteSetup.exe

--
With best regards from Ukraine,
Andre
Skype: menelion_elensule
Twitter (English only): @AndrePolykanine

------------ Original message ------------
From: Michael Mote <miketmote73@gmail.com>
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date created: , 7:25:42 PM
Subject: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile


The most accessible VOIP application that I have found on the PC is called FS Client.  It has no affiliation with Freedom Scientific.  It is very user friendly, and works better than BRIA did on the computer in my case. 





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 11:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile



For iOS Bria is definitely the way to go, Groundwire always used to be accessible as well, but I think Bria is better. They also hae a PC application, not sure how this all works now with Windows 10 and UWP apps and if desktop versions are still supported/developed. In any case, I never did try the desktop version.

This might be a good question also on Jonathan Mosen’s Blind Phones list.



Regards,

Sieghard



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 8:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile



Cristóbal,

If you have a Google account I would strongly suggest you at least try out getting a Google Voice number and then playing with the Hangouts app on iOS and possibly under Chrome. One can also access the Hangouts functionality at hangouts.google.com.

I do not believe a hold function is available, but I do know that a mute function is. I also don't know if one can use it to do multi-way calling for phone calls, but I know that one can do so for the built-in video calling function, but that applies only to others who have Google Accounts.

My business number is a Google Voice number that I access exclusively via Hangouts. One can also use the native Google Voice webpage, too, but I haven't done that in ages because, for me, Hangouts is a superior interface.

Since it's free and not all that complicated to set up it's worth giving it a whirl and reporting back on what is, and is not, accessible via the various interfaces. If you want to talk to me off-list about this you know how to reach me.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

Cristóbal
 

I’m a huge GV proponent and wouldn’t think twice about going this rout with how my other set up works, but for the fact that it’s not jjust me who will need access to this number (making and receiving calls) this time and that there’s to the best of my knowledge no desktop client for GV and a second incoming call is problematic (call waiting, hold).

That’s why I was looking for something more business oriented. Otherwise, GV would pretty much fill all my business needs.

Anyone played with Skype for business lately?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 11:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

 

I wish that was available in Canada, but I don’t think Google Voice is supported here.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 10:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

 

I may in fact do that and subscribe to Mosen’s list to ask this.

I’m generally inclined to Google Voice and indeed, this is what I currently use for my existing set up. The GV number is the one I have out in the wild per say and as my businesses main contact number. I in turn have it forwarded to my paid Skype number as well as my business cell. This allows me to work off of whatever computer I’m on at the time for incoming and outgoing calls. Be it my main desktop or laptop. Skype for the PCs and GV for my business cell. The added benefit to GV and that I should have mentioned in my original post is that you have full texting functionality which for the field that I’m in is necessary. Although, I could always just grab a separate GV number just for texting if need be or if a VOIP service doesn’t offer this.

Anyway, for me, this works well, but for a couple of minor issues. Things like call waiting or taking a second incoming call, etc. are not really smooth or doable. That or I just haven’t figured it out.

For this separate entity though, 1. I’d like to see if there’s something a little more professional/better put together than what I currently slapped together and 2. It’s not just me this time who would necessarily need to have access to this number and all its functions.

So I guess on the surface, GV would check all these boxes, and even Skype/Skype for business but for the apparently yet unaddressed accessibility issues. Still though, if there’s something else out there that can accomplish this with full cross platform accessibility, it would be good to know.

 

Thanks,

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 8:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

 

For iOS Bria is definitely the way to go, Groundwire always used to be accessible as well, but I think Bria is better. They also hae a PC application, not sure how this all works now with Windows 10 and UWP apps and if desktop versions are still supported/developed. In any case, I never did try the desktop version.

This might be a good question also on Jonathan Mosen’s Blind Phones list.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 8:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

 

Cristóbal,

            If you have a Google account I would strongly suggest you at least try out getting a Google Voice number and then playing with the Hangouts app on iOS and possibly under Chrome.  One can also access the Hangouts functionality at hangouts.google.com.

            I do not believe a hold function is available, but I do know that a mute function is.  I also don't know if one can use it to do multi-way calling for phone calls, but I know that one can do so for the built-in video calling function, but that applies only to others who have Google Accounts.

            My business number is a Google Voice number that I access exclusively via Hangouts.  One can also use the native Google Voice webpage, too, but I haven't done that in ages because, for me, Hangouts is a superior interface.

            Since it's free and not all that complicated to set up it's worth giving it a whirl and reporting back on what is, and is not, accessible via the various interfaces.  If you want to talk to me off-list about this you know how to reach me.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: "Ghost Reading" in JAWS 2018

Cristóbal
 

Happens all the time in Outlook 2016. What's worse is that refreshing the page doesn't do anything and Jaws will not read what's currently on the page without you having to alt plus tab out of the window or maybe tab or shift tab depending on the window you're on.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 3:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Ghost Reading" in JAWS 2018

I still have Jaws 18 and it also does this. You can fix it by hitting Jaws key plus escape whenever it happens.

On 6/26/18, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
When having JAWS 2018 read on one webpage, and transitioning to
another, I am very often having JAWS continue reading what was on the
previous page, and quite a bit of it, rather than picking up with the
new material on the new webpage. I hasten to add that this is not a
transition being made while JAWS is in the midst of reading on one
page while the next one loads, but after JAWS has already had reading
stopped on the currently displayed page prior to initiating the transition to the next.

I can never recall this occurring in older versions of JAWS though,
since I don't use JAWS routinely, I might not have encountered the
behavior in the past.

What gives, and is there a way to stop this from happening?

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and
many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome,
charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in
one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

~ Mark Twain




moderated Re: "Ghost Reading" in JAWS 2018

 

I still have Jaws 18 and it also does this. You can fix it by hitting
Jaws key plus escape whenever it happens.

On 6/26/18, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
When having JAWS 2018 read on one webpage, and transitioning to another, I
am very often having JAWS continue reading what was on the previous page,
and quite a bit of it, rather than picking up with the new material on the
new webpage.   I hasten to add that this is not a transition being made
while JAWS is in the midst of reading on one page while the next one loads,
but after JAWS has already had reading stopped on the currently displayed
page prior to initiating the transition to the next.

I can never recall this occurring in older versions of JAWS though, since I
don't use JAWS routinely, I might not have encountered the behavior in the
past.

What gives, and is there a way to stop this from happening?

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

    Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many
of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable
views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little
corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

        ~ Mark Twain




moderated Re: Accessing "Search Limiting" column on Amazon and other sites

Robin Frost
 

Hi Sir,
I accessed the Amazon smile page about gps devices in Google Chrome and jfw 2018 isn’t even showing me any check boxes on that one and while I see/hear many links presented none seemed to verbalize anything about further refining search criteria.
I am sorry not to have any answers for you but did want to report in my experience with the page offered if it is of any use.
Take good care.
Robin
 
 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 6:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Accessing "Search Limiting" column on Amazon and other sites
 
First I'll give two pages that can be used as illustrations of what I'm talking about:

                  https://smile.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_2_7?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=car+gps&sprefix=car+gps%2Caps%2C204&crid=3PV9DKR2H61VR 

                  https://www.mcmaster.com/#cargo-tie-downs/=1dgh5vs 

In both cases there is a column of links presented on the left side of the screen where one can click on them to limit the results presented on the right further than they are by your original search phrase.  In the case of the smile.amazon page even further down are sequences of checkboxes that serve the same purpose (and eBay, among many other sites, does the same thing).   I am having a bear of a time trying to figure out how one accesses that column in any coherent manner.  These controls are not shown as headings (no surprise), they're not showing up sometimes even in the list of links on a page, they aren't in a region or list (or often aren't).

What is the trick (if any) to accessing this area to further narrow one's search scope where all the controls are within some sort of scope rather than scattered at random or completely invisible?

If these are typically nightmarish, and my having this issue is secondary to my lack of needing to use JAWS routinely (read: ignorance), please don't hesitate to let me know that.  I just don't know if this is ignorance of what I should be doing, ignorance of the fact that nothing can be done, or something else entirely.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Headings List Behaving Erratically

 

On a smile.amazon.com page, in this one a search for car GPS:

                 https://smile.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_2_7?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=car+gps&sprefix=car+gps%2Caps%2C204&crid=3PV9DKR2H61VR

the results of interest are all Level 2 headings, and it's far easier to cruise through those to decide what one would like to explore further than it is to try dealing with the list of links on an Amazon search results page.

That being the case, I encourage clients to bring up the list of headings with INS+F6, scan through the headings then hit enter once one encounters an item of interest, then hitting Enter again if one wants the link for that product represented by the header (which also happens to be a link) to open in the same tab as one is viewing the search results in or to use CTRL+Enter if they want it to open in a tab of its own.

The weird thing is that this technique is unpredictably erratic in the end result.  Earlier today, when using the page I gave the link to.  If one followed that technique for the first level 2 heading (which is the first product search result), it works perfectly - you zoom right over to the webpage with the product info.  However, if you pick a level 2 heading for another product that's further down the list of headings it simply doesn't; you go nowhere.  I also find it weird that no matter what heading you go to the output from JAWS is "blank."  I would think it should repeat the heading text when you use the "move to heading" function, but it doesn't.

What, if anything, am I doing wrong here?
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain