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moderated Re: "Clickable" WHAT?

HH. Smith Jr.
 

My Bad, I was using I.E. using Firefox now. Sorry for that.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of HH. Smith Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 12:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Clickable" WHAT?

 

Hey Brian,

 

I visited the said links and I didn’t find or hear  “clickable”

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 6:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "Clickable" WHAT?

 

Hello All,

         I want to state before going any further that I did search the forum archive and while there was a lot of material out there complaining about the endless announcement of clickable on webpages, but nothing that seemed to explain why or how to resolve it.  If I missed it and this turns out to be an unwelcome rerun I apologize in advance.

         I am working with JAWS 2018 and the latest version of Firefox.  The pages in question are the individual item pages in the McMaster Carr online catalog (mcmaster.com).  Additional questions, but unrelated to the "clickable" issue, will be coming.

         While there are certain elements on the page, particularly search result narrowing items on the left side of the page, really are "clickable" and that how I activate them when I want to include only results that include the attribute(s) in question, virtually every row and column of a table that gives dimensional or feature information for the item is being announced as "clickable" and it absolutely is not in any meaningful sense of that word.

          Can anyone tell me:

                 1.  What on earth is being indicated by saying "clickable" on text that, when one clicks on it, has absolutely no effect?  It's just plain text.

                 2.  Why anything that isn't clickable in the conventional sense of "you click it and some action will be performed" is being called such?

                 3.  How to get this insane flooding of "clickable" announcements to stop?

An example of the sort of page where you get endless "clickable" announcements from JAWS is for any one of the individual tie-down products on this McMaster Carr webpage:  https://www.mcmaster.com/#cargo-tie-downs/=1dgh56u     I believe it was also occurring on a single product description page, too, e.g., https://www.mcmaster.com/#8840t561/=1dgh5xg where the table on the page is having "clickable" announced on each and every item as one is walked through it.

Thank you in advance for any insights you have to offer.  This is entirely new "weird behavior" territory for me, particularly on the scale at which it's occurring.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: "Clickable" WHAT?

HH. Smith Jr.
 

Hey Brian,

 

I visited the said links and I didn’t find or hear  “clickable”

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 6:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "Clickable" WHAT?

 

Hello All,

         I want to state before going any further that I did search the forum archive and while there was a lot of material out there complaining about the endless announcement of clickable on webpages, but nothing that seemed to explain why or how to resolve it.  If I missed it and this turns out to be an unwelcome rerun I apologize in advance.

         I am working with JAWS 2018 and the latest version of Firefox.  The pages in question are the individual item pages in the McMaster Carr online catalog (mcmaster.com).  Additional questions, but unrelated to the "clickable" issue, will be coming.

         While there are certain elements on the page, particularly search result narrowing items on the left side of the page, really are "clickable" and that how I activate them when I want to include only results that include the attribute(s) in question, virtually every row and column of a table that gives dimensional or feature information for the item is being announced as "clickable" and it absolutely is not in any meaningful sense of that word.

          Can anyone tell me:

                 1.  What on earth is being indicated by saying "clickable" on text that, when one clicks on it, has absolutely no effect?  It's just plain text.

                 2.  Why anything that isn't clickable in the conventional sense of "you click it and some action will be performed" is being called such?

                 3.  How to get this insane flooding of "clickable" announcements to stop?

An example of the sort of page where you get endless "clickable" announcements from JAWS is for any one of the individual tie-down products on this McMaster Carr webpage:  https://www.mcmaster.com/#cargo-tie-downs/=1dgh56u     I believe it was also occurring on a single product description page, too, e.g., https://www.mcmaster.com/#8840t561/=1dgh5xg where the table on the page is having "clickable" announced on each and every item as one is walked through it.

Thank you in advance for any insights you have to offer.  This is entirely new "weird behavior" territory for me, particularly on the scale at which it's occurring.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

Cristóbal
 

Hello Michael,

Do you know if one can configure a Google Voice number to work with this client?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Mote
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 10:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

 

Hi there!  Here is what I have.

The documentation is here if you’d like to look into it:

https://freeswitch.org/confluence/display/FREESWITCH/FSClient.

This also has hotkeys for answering calls (It also sets the focus of the window to the front when a call comes in, so if you’re doing something else, the answer call bubble will pop up on top), ending calls, and muting (It has a hold button too, but there’s no assigned hotkey). There’s also a hotkey for setting the focus back to the dial pad.

 

This is a direct download link to the zip file if you’d like to test it:

http://files.freeswitch.org/windows/installer/x86/FSClient.zip.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

 

Can’t find much when I google “FS Client” of “FS voip client” or other versions of that. Do you have a website?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Mote
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 9:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

 

The most accessible VOIP application that I have found on the PC is called FS Client.  It has no affiliation with Freedom Scientific.  It is very user friendly, and works better than BRIA did on the computer in my case. 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 11:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

 

For iOS Bria is definitely the way to go, Groundwire always used to be accessible as well, but I think Bria is better. They also hae a PC application, not sure how this all works now with Windows 10 and UWP apps and if desktop versions are still supported/developed. In any case, I never did try the desktop version.

This might be a good question also on Jonathan Mosen’s Blind Phones list.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 8:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

 

Cristóbal,

            If you have a Google account I would strongly suggest you at least try out getting a Google Voice number and then playing with the Hangouts app on iOS and possibly under Chrome.  One can also access the Hangouts functionality at hangouts.google.com.

            I do not believe a hold function is available, but I do know that a mute function is.  I also don't know if one can use it to do multi-way calling for phone calls, but I know that one can do so for the built-in video calling function, but that applies only to others who have Google Accounts.

            My business number is a Google Voice number that I access exclusively via Hangouts.  One can also use the native Google Voice webpage, too, but I haven't done that in ages because, for me, Hangouts is a superior interface.

            Since it's free and not all that complicated to set up it's worth giving it a whirl and reporting back on what is, and is not, accessible via the various interfaces.  If you want to talk to me off-list about this you know how to reach me.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

Cristóbal
 

Is there a call waiting feature for a second incoming call? The ability to accept/reject a call?

Perhaps a silly question since I’m not well versed in this stuff, but where or how would you obtain the phone number?

 

main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Mote
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 10:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

 

Hi there!  Here is what I have.

The documentation is here if you’d like to look into it:

https://freeswitch.org/confluence/display/FREESWITCH/FSClient.

This also has hotkeys for answering calls (It also sets the focus of the window to the front when a call comes in, so if you’re doing something else, the answer call bubble will pop up on top), ending calls, and muting (It has a hold button too, but there’s no assigned hotkey). There’s also a hotkey for setting the focus back to the dial pad.

 

This is a direct download link to the zip file if you’d like to test it:

http://files.freeswitch.org/windows/installer/x86/FSClient.zip.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

 

Can’t find much when I google “FS Client” of “FS voip client” or other versions of that. Do you have a website?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Mote
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 9:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

 

The most accessible VOIP application that I have found on the PC is called FS Client.  It has no affiliation with Freedom Scientific.  It is very user friendly, and works better than BRIA did on the computer in my case. 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 11:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

 

For iOS Bria is definitely the way to go, Groundwire always used to be accessible as well, but I think Bria is better. They also hae a PC application, not sure how this all works now with Windows 10 and UWP apps and if desktop versions are still supported/developed. In any case, I never did try the desktop version.

This might be a good question also on Jonathan Mosen’s Blind Phones list.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 8:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

 

Cristóbal,

            If you have a Google account I would strongly suggest you at least try out getting a Google Voice number and then playing with the Hangouts app on iOS and possibly under Chrome.  One can also access the Hangouts functionality at hangouts.google.com.

            I do not believe a hold function is available, but I do know that a mute function is.  I also don't know if one can use it to do multi-way calling for phone calls, but I know that one can do so for the built-in video calling function, but that applies only to others who have Google Accounts.

            My business number is a Google Voice number that I access exclusively via Hangouts.  One can also use the native Google Voice webpage, too, but I haven't done that in ages because, for me, Hangouts is a superior interface.

            Since it's free and not all that complicated to set up it's worth giving it a whirl and reporting back on what is, and is not, accessible via the various interfaces.  If you want to talk to me off-list about this you know how to reach me.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: "Clickable" WHAT?

 

Thanks Bill.  Given how distracting, and generally useless and misleading, the "Clickable" designation is I'd far rather it be off on the rare occasions where it might be accurate and helpful than on with the resultant auditory diarrhea.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: "Clickable" WHAT?

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Brian. I think that the problem of JAWS saying clickable is brought about because the descriptions are bracketed by some sort of graphics on the web page. The following is the only workaround I have seen to prevent this, and involves turning off the attribute element identification in Internet Explorer.

 

 

In Settings Center under the Web / HTML / PDFs category, there is a subcategory labeled Miscellaneous.

 

Under Miscellaneous there is a setting labeled Indicate Element Attribute.

 

Unchecking this setting will stop Jaws from saying Clickable

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 3:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "Clickable" WHAT?

 

Hello All,

         I want to state before going any further that I did search the forum archive and while there was a lot of material out there complaining about the endless announcement of clickable on webpages, but nothing that seemed to explain why or how to resolve it.  If I missed it and this turns out to be an unwelcome rerun I apologize in advance.

         I am working with JAWS 2018 and the latest version of Firefox.  The pages in question are the individual item pages in the McMaster Carr online catalog (mcmaster.com).  Additional questions, but unrelated to the "clickable" issue, will be coming.

         While there are certain elements on the page, particularly search result narrowing items on the left side of the page, really are "clickable" and that how I activate them when I want to include only results that include the attribute(s) in question, virtually every row and column of a table that gives dimensional or feature information for the item is being announced as "clickable" and it absolutely is not in any meaningful sense of that word.

          Can anyone tell me:

                 1.  What on earth is being indicated by saying "clickable" on text that, when one clicks on it, has absolutely no effect?  It's just plain text.

                 2.  Why anything that isn't clickable in the conventional sense of "you click it and some action will be performed" is being called such?

                 3.  How to get this insane flooding of "clickable" announcements to stop?

An example of the sort of page where you get endless "clickable" announcements from JAWS is for any one of the individual tie-down products on this McMaster Carr webpage:  https://www.mcmaster.com/#cargo-tie-downs/=1dgh56u     I believe it was also occurring on a single product description page, too, e.g., https://www.mcmaster.com/#8840t561/=1dgh5xg where the table on the page is having "clickable" announced on each and every item as one is walked through it.

Thank you in advance for any insights you have to offer.  This is entirely new "weird behavior" territory for me, particularly on the scale at which it's occurring.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: Using the outlook web interface with jaws

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Hi Kimberly,

Here are instructions for changing Outlook on the web to a light version that is more accessible.

If the following websites instructions don’t work by changing it in the settings, then try the manual directions below. 

Proper way, via settings:
 
Manual method:
After signing in by whatever method (probably outlook.yourinstitution.com), look at the address bar, it will probably start with something like the following: https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?blaughblaughblaugh
Just go and delete the blaughblaughblaugh part, and put in layout=light, so the new address would be https://outlook.office365.com/owa/?layout=light

Make sure not to delete the question mark (?) in the URL.

Hope this helps,

Russell

On Jun 26, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1963@...> wrote:

Hi all,

Hoping someone can give me some help. In my office there is an ongoing
email issue that prevents us from sending or receiving email except
through the web interface of outlook.

The interface looks like it should be accessible enough, but for some
reason I am finding it incredibly confusing. If anyone has some
familiarity with the outlook interface and can give me some tips I
would very much appreciate the help. Our helpdesk folks have no idea
how soon the problems will be fixed so there's no telling how long I
will be trapped in outlook web mail hell.

Thanks in advance

--
Kimberly





moderated Re: "Ghost Reading" in JAWS 2018

 

Gentlemen (or, perhaps, Lady & Cristóbal), thank you for letting me know that this is not only happening to me.

I think my last student with JAWS was on JAWS 17, and I dealt with prior versions all the way back to JAWS 10, and I do not recall that having happened.

There have been a couple of major issues with JAWS 2018 on this machine, and I thought we'd resolved them all, and I had the uneasy feeling that this might be the next one rearing its ugly head.  Apparently not.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

Andre Polykanine <andre@...>
 

Cristóbal and everyone,
At the company where I work we use PhonerLite:
http://phonerlite.de/index_en.htm
It is fairly accessible, though you will need to go for JAWS cursor to
make some adjustments.
Here is the direct link:
http://www.phoner.de/PhonerLiteSetup.exe

--
With best regards from Ukraine,
Andre
Skype: menelion_elensule
Twitter (English only): @AndrePolykanine

------------ Original message ------------
From: Michael Mote <miketmote73@gmail.com>
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date created: , 7:25:42 PM
Subject: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile


The most accessible VOIP application that I have found on the PC is called FS Client.  It has no affiliation with Freedom Scientific.  It is very user friendly, and works better than BRIA did on the computer in my case. 





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 11:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile



For iOS Bria is definitely the way to go, Groundwire always used to be accessible as well, but I think Bria is better. They also hae a PC application, not sure how this all works now with Windows 10 and UWP apps and if desktop versions are still supported/developed. In any case, I never did try the desktop version.

This might be a good question also on Jonathan Mosen’s Blind Phones list.



Regards,

Sieghard



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 8:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile



Cristóbal,

If you have a Google account I would strongly suggest you at least try out getting a Google Voice number and then playing with the Hangouts app on iOS and possibly under Chrome. One can also access the Hangouts functionality at hangouts.google.com.

I do not believe a hold function is available, but I do know that a mute function is. I also don't know if one can use it to do multi-way calling for phone calls, but I know that one can do so for the built-in video calling function, but that applies only to others who have Google Accounts.

My business number is a Google Voice number that I access exclusively via Hangouts. One can also use the native Google Voice webpage, too, but I haven't done that in ages because, for me, Hangouts is a superior interface.

Since it's free and not all that complicated to set up it's worth giving it a whirl and reporting back on what is, and is not, accessible via the various interfaces. If you want to talk to me off-list about this you know how to reach me.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

Cristóbal
 

I’m a huge GV proponent and wouldn’t think twice about going this rout with how my other set up works, but for the fact that it’s not jjust me who will need access to this number (making and receiving calls) this time and that there’s to the best of my knowledge no desktop client for GV and a second incoming call is problematic (call waiting, hold).

That’s why I was looking for something more business oriented. Otherwise, GV would pretty much fill all my business needs.

Anyone played with Skype for business lately?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 11:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

 

I wish that was available in Canada, but I don’t think Google Voice is supported here.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 10:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

 

I may in fact do that and subscribe to Mosen’s list to ask this.

I’m generally inclined to Google Voice and indeed, this is what I currently use for my existing set up. The GV number is the one I have out in the wild per say and as my businesses main contact number. I in turn have it forwarded to my paid Skype number as well as my business cell. This allows me to work off of whatever computer I’m on at the time for incoming and outgoing calls. Be it my main desktop or laptop. Skype for the PCs and GV for my business cell. The added benefit to GV and that I should have mentioned in my original post is that you have full texting functionality which for the field that I’m in is necessary. Although, I could always just grab a separate GV number just for texting if need be or if a VOIP service doesn’t offer this.

Anyway, for me, this works well, but for a couple of minor issues. Things like call waiting or taking a second incoming call, etc. are not really smooth or doable. That or I just haven’t figured it out.

For this separate entity though, 1. I’d like to see if there’s something a little more professional/better put together than what I currently slapped together and 2. It’s not just me this time who would necessarily need to have access to this number and all its functions.

So I guess on the surface, GV would check all these boxes, and even Skype/Skype for business but for the apparently yet unaddressed accessibility issues. Still though, if there’s something else out there that can accomplish this with full cross platform accessibility, it would be good to know.

 

Thanks,

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 8:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

 

For iOS Bria is definitely the way to go, Groundwire always used to be accessible as well, but I think Bria is better. They also hae a PC application, not sure how this all works now with Windows 10 and UWP apps and if desktop versions are still supported/developed. In any case, I never did try the desktop version.

This might be a good question also on Jonathan Mosen’s Blind Phones list.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 8:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible VOIP/softphone option for desktop and iOS mobile

 

Cristóbal,

            If you have a Google account I would strongly suggest you at least try out getting a Google Voice number and then playing with the Hangouts app on iOS and possibly under Chrome.  One can also access the Hangouts functionality at hangouts.google.com.

            I do not believe a hold function is available, but I do know that a mute function is.  I also don't know if one can use it to do multi-way calling for phone calls, but I know that one can do so for the built-in video calling function, but that applies only to others who have Google Accounts.

            My business number is a Google Voice number that I access exclusively via Hangouts.  One can also use the native Google Voice webpage, too, but I haven't done that in ages because, for me, Hangouts is a superior interface.

            Since it's free and not all that complicated to set up it's worth giving it a whirl and reporting back on what is, and is not, accessible via the various interfaces.  If you want to talk to me off-list about this you know how to reach me.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: "Ghost Reading" in JAWS 2018

Cristóbal
 

Happens all the time in Outlook 2016. What's worse is that refreshing the page doesn't do anything and Jaws will not read what's currently on the page without you having to alt plus tab out of the window or maybe tab or shift tab depending on the window you're on.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keyboard Player
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 3:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Ghost Reading" in JAWS 2018

I still have Jaws 18 and it also does this. You can fix it by hitting Jaws key plus escape whenever it happens.

On 6/26/18, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
When having JAWS 2018 read on one webpage, and transitioning to
another, I am very often having JAWS continue reading what was on the
previous page, and quite a bit of it, rather than picking up with the
new material on the new webpage. I hasten to add that this is not a
transition being made while JAWS is in the midst of reading on one
page while the next one loads, but after JAWS has already had reading
stopped on the currently displayed page prior to initiating the transition to the next.

I can never recall this occurring in older versions of JAWS though,
since I don't use JAWS routinely, I might not have encountered the
behavior in the past.

What gives, and is there a way to stop this from happening?

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and
many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome,
charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in
one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

~ Mark Twain




moderated Re: "Ghost Reading" in JAWS 2018

 

I still have Jaws 18 and it also does this. You can fix it by hitting
Jaws key plus escape whenever it happens.

On 6/26/18, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
When having JAWS 2018 read on one webpage, and transitioning to another, I
am very often having JAWS continue reading what was on the previous page,
and quite a bit of it, rather than picking up with the new material on the
new webpage.   I hasten to add that this is not a transition being made
while JAWS is in the midst of reading on one page while the next one loads,
but after JAWS has already had reading stopped on the currently displayed
page prior to initiating the transition to the next.

I can never recall this occurring in older versions of JAWS though, since I
don't use JAWS routinely, I might not have encountered the behavior in the
past.

What gives, and is there a way to stop this from happening?

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

    Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many
of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable
views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little
corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

        ~ Mark Twain




moderated Re: Accessing "Search Limiting" column on Amazon and other sites

Robin Frost
 

Hi Sir,
I accessed the Amazon smile page about gps devices in Google Chrome and jfw 2018 isn’t even showing me any check boxes on that one and while I see/hear many links presented none seemed to verbalize anything about further refining search criteria.
I am sorry not to have any answers for you but did want to report in my experience with the page offered if it is of any use.
Take good care.
Robin
 
 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 6:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Accessing "Search Limiting" column on Amazon and other sites
 
First I'll give two pages that can be used as illustrations of what I'm talking about:

                  https://smile.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_2_7?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=car+gps&sprefix=car+gps%2Caps%2C204&crid=3PV9DKR2H61VR 

                  https://www.mcmaster.com/#cargo-tie-downs/=1dgh5vs 

In both cases there is a column of links presented on the left side of the screen where one can click on them to limit the results presented on the right further than they are by your original search phrase.  In the case of the smile.amazon page even further down are sequences of checkboxes that serve the same purpose (and eBay, among many other sites, does the same thing).   I am having a bear of a time trying to figure out how one accesses that column in any coherent manner.  These controls are not shown as headings (no surprise), they're not showing up sometimes even in the list of links on a page, they aren't in a region or list (or often aren't).

What is the trick (if any) to accessing this area to further narrow one's search scope where all the controls are within some sort of scope rather than scattered at random or completely invisible?

If these are typically nightmarish, and my having this issue is secondary to my lack of needing to use JAWS routinely (read: ignorance), please don't hesitate to let me know that.  I just don't know if this is ignorance of what I should be doing, ignorance of the fact that nothing can be done, or something else entirely.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Headings List Behaving Erratically

 

On a smile.amazon.com page, in this one a search for car GPS:

                 https://smile.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_2_7?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=car+gps&sprefix=car+gps%2Caps%2C204&crid=3PV9DKR2H61VR

the results of interest are all Level 2 headings, and it's far easier to cruise through those to decide what one would like to explore further than it is to try dealing with the list of links on an Amazon search results page.

That being the case, I encourage clients to bring up the list of headings with INS+F6, scan through the headings then hit enter once one encounters an item of interest, then hitting Enter again if one wants the link for that product represented by the header (which also happens to be a link) to open in the same tab as one is viewing the search results in or to use CTRL+Enter if they want it to open in a tab of its own.

The weird thing is that this technique is unpredictably erratic in the end result.  Earlier today, when using the page I gave the link to.  If one followed that technique for the first level 2 heading (which is the first product search result), it works perfectly - you zoom right over to the webpage with the product info.  However, if you pick a level 2 heading for another product that's further down the list of headings it simply doesn't; you go nowhere.  I also find it weird that no matter what heading you go to the output from JAWS is "blank."  I would think it should repeat the heading text when you use the "move to heading" function, but it doesn't.

What, if anything, am I doing wrong here?
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Accessing "Search Limiting" column on Amazon and other sites

 

First I'll give two pages that can be used as illustrations of what I'm talking about:

                  https://smile.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_2_7?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=car+gps&sprefix=car+gps%2Caps%2C204&crid=3PV9DKR2H61VR 

                  https://www.mcmaster.com/#cargo-tie-downs/=1dgh5vs 

In both cases there is a column of links presented on the left side of the screen where one can click on them to limit the results presented on the right further than they are by your original search phrase.  In the case of the smile.amazon page even further down are sequences of checkboxes that serve the same purpose (and eBay, among many other sites, does the same thing).   I am having a bear of a time trying to figure out how one accesses that column in any coherent manner.  These controls are not shown as headings (no surprise), they're not showing up sometimes even in the list of links on a page, they aren't in a region or list (or often aren't).

What is the trick (if any) to accessing this area to further narrow one's search scope where all the controls are within some sort of scope rather than scattered at random or completely invisible?

If these are typically nightmarish, and my having this issue is secondary to my lack of needing to use JAWS routinely (read: ignorance), please don't hesitate to let me know that.  I just don't know if this is ignorance of what I should be doing, ignorance of the fact that nothing can be done, or something else entirely.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: Checking remaining battery power + keyboard layout

Andre Polykanine <andre@...>
 

Hi Marilyn,
Although you already got answers to your question, I would like to
encourage you to ask more. And don't be nervous about it, everyone
was at the start some time ago :).


--
With best regards from Ukraine,
Andre
Skype: menelion_elensule
Twitter (English only): @AndrePolykanine

------------ Original message ------------
From: Marilyn Bland <tinkerbelltx@sbcglobal.net>
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date created: , 9:05:38 PM
Subject: Checking remaining battery power + keyboard layout


Tom and Bill,



Thanks for being so patient with me. Yes, I think I’ve got it now. J Sorry it took so much back and forth.



I’m assuming I don’t have laptop keyboard configuration because my laptop has a numpad like a free-standing keyboard. I didn’t think – didn’t know - to mention that when I first asked my question. There are so, so many things everyone else seems to know that I don’t have a clue about – makes me nervous to even ask.     

  



Again, many thanks.



Marilyn





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 9:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Checking remaining battery power



Bill:



Yes, I assumed that she already had Jaws set for the laptop keyboard configuration.



As for the AC power notification when the computer is plugged in, I tried to indicate that this would tell her she was on normal electrical power, and that her battery was charging.



At least I think she’s got it now.



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Checking remaining battery power



Hi, Tom. It didn’t work for her, because, although she has a laptop, she’s not using Laptop Keyboard Layout. In order for it to work for her, she needed to press JAWS key plus Shift key plus B. She got AC Connected, meaning, she is using her laptop with it plugged in, and is not on battery power.



Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 3:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Checking remaining battery power



Marilyn:



The percentage should just be announced.



Again, be sure you are hitting both the shift lock and shift keys together before pressing the letter B.



Not sure why this isn’t working for you.



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marilyn Bland
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 10:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Checking remaining battery power



Tom,



Well, still no luck. I have pressed the shift keys on both the left and right of the keyboard together with caps lock and then the letter b. The only thing that happens is that caps lock on and the b is announced, along with a little beep sound to indicate caps on or off.



Should I be arrowing to somewhere or should the percentage just be announced?



Thanks.



Marilyn





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 8:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Checking remaining battery power



Marilyn:



Yes, they should work.



Be sure to press the shift and shift lock key simultaneously, followed by the letter B. as in bravo.



Let us know if this still does not work for you.



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marilyn Bland
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 9:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Checking remaining battery power



Tom,



I am using Windows 7 and JAWS 17 latest update. Will the 3 keystrokes still be the same? I tried, but without success.



Thanks.



Marilyn



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 8:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Checking remaining battery power



Marilyn:



When using my Windows 7 laptop with Jaws 2018 here, I hit shift capslock B. … This will give me the percentage of charge left in my battery. If the computer is plugged in, it will indicate that the battery is charging.



The battery will charge while using your computer when plugged in. However, it is good to occasionally unplug the laptop in order to let the battery cycle through a charge to preserve its life as long as possible.



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marilyn Bland
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 8:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Checking remaining battery power



Hello listers,



Please help –



I have a laptop and want to know – step by step please - how to find out how much battery power is left before I have to charge it again. Also, does the machine have to be off and plugged in to charge, or will it charge while plugged in and is in use?



Many thanks.



Marilyn


moderated "Ghost Reading" in JAWS 2018

 

When having JAWS 2018 read on one webpage, and transitioning to another, I am very often having JAWS continue reading what was on the previous page, and quite a bit of it, rather than picking up with the new material on the new webpage.   I hasten to add that this is not a transition being made while JAWS is in the midst of reading on one page while the next one loads, but after JAWS has already had reading stopped on the currently displayed page prior to initiating the transition to the next.

I can never recall this occurring in older versions of JAWS though, since I don't use JAWS routinely, I might not have encountered the behavior in the past.

What gives, and is there a way to stop this from happening?

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: Group policy editor with jaws

Soronel Haetir
 

I haven't done a lot with the group policy editor but when I have I've
found it works well enough. It's really just another MMC snap-in. And
MMC in general works well enough, it is somewhat unstable but that is
not due to accessibility (the event log snap-in for example crashed on
me plenty often even before I went blind).

On 6/26/18, Tom Moore <tommym2006@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys,
Does anyone know if the group policy editor in either windows 10 or any of
the server platforms, 2012, 2016 works with jfw?
Also what is the status of the different sections of the Microsoft
management console?

Thanks,
Tom





--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


moderated "Clickable" WHAT?

 

Hello All,

         I want to state before going any further that I did search the forum archive and while there was a lot of material out there complaining about the endless announcement of clickable on webpages, but nothing that seemed to explain why or how to resolve it.  If I missed it and this turns out to be an unwelcome rerun I apologize in advance.

         I am working with JAWS 2018 and the latest version of Firefox.  The pages in question are the individual item pages in the McMaster Carr online catalog (mcmaster.com).  Additional questions, but unrelated to the "clickable" issue, will be coming.

         While there are certain elements on the page, particularly search result narrowing items on the left side of the page, really are "clickable" and that how I activate them when I want to include only results that include the attribute(s) in question, virtually every row and column of a table that gives dimensional or feature information for the item is being announced as "clickable" and it absolutely is not in any meaningful sense of that word.

          Can anyone tell me:

                 1.  What on earth is being indicated by saying "clickable" on text that, when one clicks on it, has absolutely no effect?  It's just plain text.

                 2.  Why anything that isn't clickable in the conventional sense of "you click it and some action will be performed" is being called such?

                 3.  How to get this insane flooding of "clickable" announcements to stop?

An example of the sort of page where you get endless "clickable" announcements from JAWS is for any one of the individual tie-down products on this McMaster Carr webpage:  https://www.mcmaster.com/#cargo-tie-downs/=1dgh56u     I believe it was also occurring on a single product description page, too, e.g., https://www.mcmaster.com/#8840t561/=1dgh5xg where the table on the page is having "clickable" announced on each and every item as one is walked through it.

Thank you in advance for any insights you have to offer.  This is entirely new "weird behavior" territory for me, particularly on the scale at which it's occurring.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Group policy editor with jaws

Tom Moore
 

Hi guys,
Does anyone know if the group policy editor in either windows 10 or any of
the server platforms, 2012, 2016 works with jfw?
Also what is the status of the different sections of the Microsoft
management console?

Thanks,
Tom