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moderated Re: Creating an Accessible PDf Document

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Hello,
Most scanners come with an OCR program.
The easiest way to create a accessible PDF document is to print your document to a PDF printer. That creates a PDF document.

Regards,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Donnerstag, 14. Juni 2018 16:05
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Creating an Accessible PDf Document

Hi everyone,

I have to make a representation to a large institution as to how they can make their documents accessible, so I'd really appreciate some help in terms of understanding the nuts and bolts of how a PDF can be designed in an accessible format.

As I understand it, if a document is scanned with a scanner, without using the OCR feature, it ends up as a scanned image that is completely inaccessible and unsearchable. As a result, the only way to make a PDF accessible from its inception is to use an OCR engine after scanning the document. Is my understanding accurate? Further, do most scanners contain a built in OCR feature, or can this only be done with a third party application such as fine reader? This organization would be averse to the idea of purchasing a third party app, so I need to propose a solution that is cost effective.

Apart from using OCR, are there any other less cumbersome ways of making a PDF accessible from inception? Forgive me for my ignorance.

Best,
Rahul


moderated Re: Creating an Accessible PDf Document

 

Sorry, I forgot to mention that in Office 2016 you can save a file as a PDF directly as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gudrun Brunot
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 7:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Creating an Accessible PDf Document

Hi Rahul:

You are right: there are two kinds of pdf files.

1. scanned images, which are not accessible without using OCR.

2. text-based pdf files, where the text has been prepared by, say, MS Word or other word processing software and then saved as a .pdf file.

Since there is no way to really tell, visually, what type of pdf file you have, a sighted person may not even realize that they are sending you a file you can't access directly.

Where this presents extra difficulty is if you, the visually impaired person, is the one who is going to not read, but also process, the document. Maybe you're expected to edit or translate the document and , god help you, prefer the format. Exploding formats are the curse in my profession (I'm a translator).

I believe pdf files can be imported in Word 2016, I seem to have read that somewhere.

To convert an image-based pdf file, software such as Adobe PDF Transformer is a good tool, though the accessibility is a bit tricky at times, if you need to change the parameters, such as keeping normal layout, recognize a language other than English, etc.

Properly tagging a pdf file makes it more accessible. Again, since it doesn't make a hill of beans of difference to the sighted user if a pdf file is poorly tagged, we often get files that are problematic. Try the JAWS help, applications, adobe, and there should be, if I'm not misremembering, something about how to prepare accessible documents.

Hope it helps, and good luck.

Gudrun


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 7:05 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Creating an Accessible PDf Document

Hi everyone,

I have to make a representation to a large institution as to how they can make their documents accessible, so I'd really appreciate some help in terms of understanding the nuts and bolts of how a PDF can be designed in an accessible format.

As I understand it, if a document is scanned with a scanner, without using the OCR feature, it ends up as a scanned image that is completely inaccessible and unsearchable. As a result, the only way to make a PDF accessible from its inception is to use an OCR engine after scanning the document. Is my understanding accurate? Further, do most scanners contain a built in OCR feature, or can this only be done with a third party application such as fine reader? This organization would be averse to the idea of purchasing a third party app, so I need to propose a solution that is cost effective.

Apart from using OCR, are there any other less cumbersome ways of making a PDF accessible from inception? Forgive me for my ignorance.

Best,
Rahul


moderated Re: Creating an Accessible PDf Document

 

Windows 10 includes the "Microsoft Printt to PDF" printer. If you have a document in an app such as Word or Excel or in any other application which can print, you can select this PDF printer as the printer. It will then ask you to save the document and once it is saved you can open the PDF file and it will be accessible. How formatting will be preserved in all situations I don't know, but I use this method to make PDF files out of reports from my point of sale software and while they aren't always perfect, I can usually read them.
In Windows 7 there was no included PDF printer and I used an application from Nuance called "Power PDF". It does cost I think $50 or something like that, but it adds a PDF printer similar to the one found in Windows 10 except it's of course called "Nuance Print to PDF" or something like that and the application can also be used to split a PDF document, e.g. I sometimes had a supplier sent me two separate invoices in a single PDF file. I could open this file in the Power PDF application and then extract the page or pages for the first invoice and save it, then I could save the pages for the second invoice etc. This would then give me a separate PDF file for each invoice. Of course if the PDF was a scan, i.e. an image file, the resulting two files were also image files and I could only read them by using the Jaws OCR function.

If you have Windows 10 you can simply try it, go into Notepad or Word, type some text or open a document and then go to print, select "Microsoft Print to PDF", save the file and then check out the resulting PDF.


Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 7:05 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Creating an Accessible PDf Document

Hi everyone,

I have to make a representation to a large institution as to how they can make their documents accessible, so I'd really appreciate some help in terms of understanding the nuts and bolts of how a PDF can be designed in an accessible format.

As I understand it, if a document is scanned with a scanner, without using the OCR feature, it ends up as a scanned image that is completely inaccessible and unsearchable. As a result, the only way to make a PDF accessible from its inception is to use an OCR engine after scanning the document. Is my understanding accurate? Further, do most scanners contain a built in OCR feature, or can this only be done with a third party application such as fine reader? This organization would be averse to the idea of purchasing a third party app, so I need to propose a solution that is cost effective.

Apart from using OCR, are there any other less cumbersome ways of making a PDF accessible from inception? Forgive me for my ignorance.

Best,
Rahul


moderated Re: Creating an Accessible PDf Document

Gudrun Brunot
 

Hi Rahul:

You are right: there are two kinds of pdf files.

1. scanned images, which are not accessible without using OCR.

2. text-based pdf files, where the text has been prepared by, say, MS Word or other word processing software and then saved as a .pdf file.

Since there is no way to really tell, visually, what type of pdf file you have, a sighted person may not even realize that they are sending you a file you can't access directly.

Where this presents extra difficulty is if you, the visually impaired person, is the one who is going to not read, but also process, the document. Maybe you're expected to edit or translate the document and , god help you, prefer the format. Exploding formats are the curse in my profession (I'm a translator).

I believe pdf files can be imported in Word 2016, I seem to have read that somewhere.

To convert an image-based pdf file, software such as Adobe PDF Transformer is a good tool, though the accessibility is a bit tricky at times, if you need to change the parameters, such as keeping normal layout, recognize a language other than English, etc.

Properly tagging a pdf file makes it more accessible. Again, since it doesn't make a hill of beans of difference to the sighted user if a pdf file is poorly tagged, we often get files that are problematic. Try the JAWS help, applications, adobe, and there should be, if I'm not misremembering, something about how to prepare accessible documents.

Hope it helps, and good luck.

Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 7:05 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Creating an Accessible PDf Document

Hi everyone,

I have to make a representation to a large institution as to how they
can make their documents accessible, so I'd really appreciate some
help in terms of understanding the nuts and bolts of how a PDF can be
designed in an accessible format.

As I understand it, if a document is scanned with a scanner, without
using the OCR feature, it ends up as a scanned image that is
completely inaccessible and unsearchable. As a result, the only way to
make a PDF accessible from its inception is to use an OCR engine after
scanning the document. Is my understanding accurate? Further, do most
scanners contain a built in OCR feature, or can this only be done with
a third party application such as fine reader? This organization would
be averse to the idea of purchasing a third party app, so I need to
propose a solution that is cost effective.

Apart from using OCR, are there any other less cumbersome ways of
making a PDF accessible from inception? Forgive me for my ignorance.

Best,
Rahul


moderated Creating an Accessible PDf Document

Rahul Bajaj
 

Hi everyone,

I have to make a representation to a large institution as to how they
can make their documents accessible, so I'd really appreciate some
help in terms of understanding the nuts and bolts of how a PDF can be
designed in an accessible format.

As I understand it, if a document is scanned with a scanner, without
using the OCR feature, it ends up as a scanned image that is
completely inaccessible and unsearchable. As a result, the only way to
make a PDF accessible from its inception is to use an OCR engine after
scanning the document. Is my understanding accurate? Further, do most
scanners contain a built in OCR feature, or can this only be done with
a third party application such as fine reader? This organization would
be averse to the idea of purchasing a third party app, so I need to
propose a solution that is cost effective.

Apart from using OCR, are there any other less cumbersome ways of
making a PDF accessible from inception? Forgive me for my ignorance.

Best,
Rahul


moderated Re: Groups.iio All List Query

James Homuth
 

There is no security risk in having your own email address displayed to you when you receive a message from this or any other group. It's a feature put in place to attempt to solve the problem of people not remembering which email address they've subscribed to the group with. As an admin for several years who's had to answer a few of those questions, this is honestly about time.
 
also, it's worth pointing out that if you've ever sent an email to this list, people already have your email address. There's no practical way to hide it except to subscribe and never actually send a message to the list. The moment you do, your email address is visible to anyone who receives list traffic by email. If there was a security concern at all, that would be it.
 
James,
List Admin



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: June-14-18 4:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Groups.iio All List Query

Hello Mike:
 
In my case, when I go to the bottom of the message and UP ARROW once, there is a line containing the link to unsubscribe, followed by a space, then comes my email address, surrounded by square brackets.
 
Should our email addresses appear at the bottom of our email messages at all. If they should not, then the list owner or the administrators should take steps to prevent it from happening, as soon as possible.
 
Sincerely:
 
Dave Durber
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 6:22 AM
Subject: Groups.iio All List Query

Hi All,
 
I noticed something today that I've never noticed before at the bottom of any email that I receive from a Groups.io email list / club.  If I go to the bottom of any email, arrow up a couple of times, and right below the unsubscribe link is my email address!
 
Would y'all please check any email you get from any Groups.io list you're a member for what I described above, and let me know if you're seeing your email address at the bottom of each email, or if you're seeing someone elses' email address?
 
All input on this matter will be greatly appreciated!  Thank you very very much!
Take Care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.


moderated Re: reading a PDF file

Lisa
 

You could try control+shift+N and type the page number.

Lisa

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 2:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: reading a PDF file

 

Hello,

I was attempting to get some documentation from a web site. There was a link to get a PDF file. Once the PDF was open I couldn’t get past the first page. I would do a control page down and would not change to the next page. Is there a different key stroke I should be using now using Windows 10 and Jaws2018?

 

 

Kevin Meyers

414-839-0635

 


moderated Re: Groups.iio All List Query

Gerald Levy
 

 
And why is this a problem?  This is all much ado about nothing.  For those of you who are obsessed over the fact that your email address appears at the bottom of a message, there is a simple solution.  Just stop sending and receiving email messages altogether, and your troubles will be over.  Enough is enough already.
 
Gerald
 
 
 

Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 4:55 AM
Subject: Re: Groups.iio All List Query
 
Hello Mike:
 
In my case, when I go to the bottom of the message and UP ARROW once, there is a line containing the link to unsubscribe, followed by a space, then comes my email address, surrounded by square brackets.
 
Should our email addresses appear at the bottom of our email messages at all. If they should not, then the list owner or the administrators should take steps to prevent it from happening, as soon as possible.
 
Sincerely:
 
Dave Durber
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 6:22 AM
Subject: Groups.iio All List Query
 
Hi All,
 
I noticed something today that I've never noticed before at the bottom of any email that I receive from a Groups.io email list / club.  If I go to the bottom of any email, arrow up a couple of times, and right below the unsubscribe link is my email address!
 
Would y'all please check any email you get from any Groups.io list you're a member for what I described above, and let me know if you're seeing your email address at the bottom of each email, or if you're seeing someone elses' email address?
 
All input on this matter will be greatly appreciated!  Thank you very very much!
Take Care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.


moderated Groups.iio All List Query

Dave Durber
 

Hello Mike:

I just checked three user lists which are located on three different email providers. My email address does not appear anywhere below the where email messages or responses appear.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber


moderated Re: Groups.iio All List Query

Dave Durber
 

Hello Mike:
 
In my case, when I go to the bottom of the message and UP ARROW once, there is a line containing the link to unsubscribe, followed by a space, then comes my email address, surrounded by square brackets.

 
Should our email addresses appear at the bottom of our email messages at all. If they should not, then the list owner or the administrators should take steps to prevent it from happening, as soon as possible.
 
Sincerely:
 
Dave Durber
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 6:22 AM
Subject: Groups.iio All List Query

Hi All,
 
I noticed something today that I've never noticed before at the bottom of any email that I receive from a Groups.io email list / club.  If I go to the bottom of any email, arrow up a couple of times, and right below the unsubscribe link is my email address!
 
Would y'all please check any email you get from any Groups.io list you're a member for what I described above, and let me know if you're seeing your email address at the bottom of each email, or if you're seeing someone elses' email address?
 
All input on this matter will be greatly appreciated!  Thank you very very much!
Take Care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.


moderated Re: Office 365 Help please

Lynne Moore
 

HI Everyone,
I apologize for the previous message, I failed to look at the address I was sending to.  Anyway, I wanted to take this opportunity to once again thank everyone who responded to my plea for help, it was very kind.  I very much appreciate it.
Lynne Moore
 

Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 2:59 AM
Subject: Re: Office 365 Help please
 
Hi Richard,
Thanks for your advice.  I appreciate it very much.
Lynne Moore
 
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: Office 365 Help please
 
If you have Office 365, and you left Outlook 2010 installed, there is your problem. Office 365 installs Outlook 2016. You should not be running two versions together. At least that is my understanding. Even though it may not be jaws related, you use Jaws, so I'd highly suggest calling Microsoft accessibility: 1-800-936-5900.
Richard


"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain


 


On Jun 12, 2018, at 2:44 AM, Lynne Moore <lynne57moore@...> wrote:

Hello,
I was wondering if one of you kind souls would mind giving me some help.  I’m having a problem with office 365, microsoft outlook 2010 and Windows 7.  The problem isn’t JAWS-related, so I can’t discuss it on the list.  If anyone would be willing to help, could you write me privately at lynne57moore@...?  Thank you.
Lynne Moore


moderated Re: Office 365 Help please

Lynne Moore
 

Hi Richard,
Thanks for your advice.  I appreciate it very much.
Lynne Moore
 

Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: Office 365 Help please
 
If you have Office 365, and you left Outlook 2010 installed, there is your problem. Office 365 installs Outlook 2016. You should not be running two versions together. At least that is my understanding. Even though it may not be jaws related, you use Jaws, so I'd highly suggest calling Microsoft accessibility: 1-800-936-5900.
Richard


"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain


 


On Jun 12, 2018, at 2:44 AM, Lynne Moore <lynne57moore@...> wrote:

Hello,
I was wondering if one of you kind souls would mind giving me some help.  I’m having a problem with office 365, microsoft outlook 2010 and Windows 7.  The problem isn’t JAWS-related, so I can’t discuss it on the list.  If anyone would be willing to help, could you write me privately at lynne57moore@...?  Thank you.
Lynne Moore


moderated Re: Groups.iio All List Query

 

On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 07:45 pm, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
It shows your email address which anybody on the list can also see by going to the “From” field in the email header.
As it does, and has since cyber-time immemorial.

I have no idea why anyone thinks that their e-mail address is private.  It is not, it has never been, when you send a message to anyone.  You, any you, do not send e-mail messages anonymously.  Your e-mail address, as well as a lot of other more detailed information about where the message originated and how it made it to its destination, are part of the headers of each and every e-mail message; it's just that those are not displayed normally because they're not of interest.  E-mail also is not secure in any meaningful sense, either.  It is, and always has been, incredibly simple to intercept and is very, very seldom encrypted.  It's far less secure, both practically and legally, than conventional postal mail is.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: Groups.iio All List Query

 

Andrew,

 

It shows your email address which anybody on the list can also see by going to the “From” field in the email header. If I do this in the email you sent it says this:

 

main@jfw.groups.io; on behalf of; Andrew Summers via Groups.Io asummers112@...

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Summers via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 10:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Groups.iio All List Query

 

But is that not breaching data protection, now the new law has taken affect for your privacy?

 

Andrew

 

From: Bill White

Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 5:27 PM

Subject: Re: Groups.iio All List Query

 

Hi, Mike. Here is the reason I believe you are seeing your own email address at the bottom of each email from groups.io. Many email providers such as gmail allow a person with an email address to forward all the email from gmail to another email address. This cuts down on the number of mail boxes one must visit to read all their email. But it does create confusion as to which email address has been subscribed to a group list. Having one’s email address at the bottom of each groups.io email makes it easier to know from which email address an unsubscription notice or other change should be sent to make it effective.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 10:23 PM
To: JFW List
Subject: Groups.iio All List Query

 

Hi All,

 

I noticed something today that I've never noticed before at the bottom of any email that I receive from a Groups.io email list / club.  If I go to the bottom of any email, arrow up a couple of times, and right below the unsubscribe link is my email address!

 

Would y'all please check any email you get from any Groups.io list you're a member for what I described above, and let me know if you're seeing your email address at the bottom of each email, or if you're seeing someone elses' email address?

 

All input on this matter will be greatly appreciated!  Thank you very very much!

Take Care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.


moderated Re: Talking Windows Installation

 

What is the purpose of this, you can turn on Narrator at the beginning of a Windows 10 installation and completely go through the setup/installation process without sighted help.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 7:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Talking Windows Installation

I'm looking for this install as well.
I'm guessing it involves win 10?

Cheers,
Jed

On 6/13/18, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:
Hi, it's Annabelle.
I'm attempting to download Release 2 of the Windows 7 PE Talking
Installation, dated 9/24/2013, from
https://blog.bryansmart.com/talking-windows-7-pre-installation-environ
ment/, and unfortunately it says the file might be corrupted. Does
anyone know if Bryan made a new version?




moderated Re: Firefox Quantum, Version 60, and getting to browser control buttons

 

This just in from Marco Zehe, the gentleman to whom Nermin referred earlier and who has his own blog at  www.marcozehe.de:

Your best bet currently is to use the JAWS touch cursor to access those buttons, and use the equivalent of their DoDefaultAction on each button to execute it. We are currently working on a complete overhaul of keyboard accessibility for the toolbars, but it's not ready yet, and will hopefully be done for Firefox 62 or 63, but no promises. This is rather complicated stuff and will require a lot of testing and adjustment so we really get it right. This has been a long-standing problem, dating back even to before the Quantum days, but has now become more prevalent. However, we first needed to get NVDA and JAWS back into working condition on the core level first before we can now tackle the keyboard UX. So I ask for a little more patience. :)
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: The way to get a screenshot using windows10 and Jaws

 

Dale,

       You must hit Windows Key+Prt Sc to have a full screen screen shot automatically saved in the Pictures\Screenshots folder in PNG format.

        Hitting PrtSc alone places a full screen screen shot on the clipboard, but if you want to have it saved you need to open an image manipulation program such as Paint, paste it, then save it.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: The way to get a screenshot using windows10 and Jaws

Dale Heltzer
 

By pressing the Print-Screen key; the JPG should show up in your Pictures\ScreenShots Folder.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nino Dagostino
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 12:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: The way to get a screenshot using windows10 and Jaws

 

Hi:

 

What is the best way to take a screenshot and save it to a file?

 

Thank you.

 

 


moderated Test message please ignor

Nino Dagostino
 

Thanks

 

 


moderated Re: jaws with visited links with firefox and i e

Bill White
 

Hi, Netbat. I use Internet Explorer, and it tells me the link is visited, before it describes the link. I am sure there is a setting to determine when it says that a link is visited. I'm sure it is in the configuration settings for JAWS (JAWS key plus six on the numbers row), I just don't know which setting to tell you to change.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 11:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws with visited links with firefox and i e

i guess there is no option for what i want.
it says visited. but not until jaws speaks the entire text of the links first.
with window eyes i can set it so it says visited before the link is spoken.
so i can by pass all the links i have already visited without haveing to listen
to the links.
its so slow trying to do a google search when i have to wait on every link to
see if it was visited before i move to the next link in the list.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mario
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 7:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws with visited links with firefox and i e

Netbat, try the following:

1. While in IE or whatever browser, press Insert+6 on the number row to
open the Settings Center.
Note: If you want Visited spoken in all applications, press
control+shift+D to open default Setting Center for all applications and
make your changes there.

2. Arrow down to Speech and Sound Schemes and press right arrow to open.

3. Arrow down to Modify Schemes... and press the spacebar to open.

4. Tab to edit selected scheme button and press the spacebar to open.

5. Control+tab to the Control State tab and tab 1 time into the list of
control types.

6. Use first letter navigation, pressing the letter V until you have
Visited...., highlighted and tab 1 time into the behavior list.

7. Arrow down so that Speak Control State is checked.

8. Tab to the okay button and press the spacebar. Again, tab to okay
and press the spacebar.
Tab 1 time and press the spacebar on the save selected scheme button.
Tab to the okay button and press the spacebar, and tab to okay and press
enter. Whew... You're done.

NowYou'll see that there are other options, like, save slected scheme
as, create new scheme, and delete slected scheme but, I didn't include
all these added steps.

Note: If Jaws still won't announce, Visited Link, make sure you didn't
set the browser to delete browsing history when closed.
that way the visited links wont be announced.


I would check the delete browsing history setting first. That's much
more simple. And if you know you haven't changed this setting and have
deleted browsing history manually, don't do so if you want visited links
to be announced. If you delete browsing history, no links will be
announced as visited until you
go to the site again, follow a link, then read the same link again after
you followed it once.


-------- Original Message --------
From: netbat66 [mailto:netbat66@...]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 13, 2018 1:10 AM EST
To: jaws
Subject: jaws with visited links with firefox and i e

hi,
is there a setting i can change so jaws 2018 will nnounce visited links
before the link, instead of after the link?
i am tired of haveing to listen to the entire link description before it
will tell me it has been visited before i go to the next link.
like when useing a google search.
thanks.




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