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moderated Re: Computers to Help People, Take a Different Road

Peter Donahue
 

Hello everyone,

Choosing to remain broke in a public forum with no place to hide
also personified! Around here we operate a bate and tackle shop not a fixh
market.

Peter Donahue

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pat Byrne
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 7:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers to Help People, Take a Different Road

Pat ByrneAt 03:38 PM 6/11/2018, you wrote:

Hello everyone,

               Nothing less than
new and current systems with superior tech support will do around here.

Peter Donahue



moderated Re: Goldwave

Amanda Berkley
 

Is there a way to know what version of Windows I have to see if it's
a version that will work with Goldwave?

On 6/10/18, Richard Turner <richardturner42@outlook.com> wrote:
Some versions had blocked recording what you hear over the speakers, which
also blocks internet streaming from being recorded, since I have no idea
what version of Windows you are running, I thought it would be helpful to
say that since I could not say absolutely that yes, you can record what you
want with Goldwave.

Perhaps that was simply too much information, but I don't like making
statements too broadly either.

Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world
quieter.”
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amanda Berkley
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 11:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Goldwave

What do you mean if my version of windows allows it?

I have Windows 10...

On 6/10/18, Richard Turner <richardturner42@outlook.com> wrote:
Yes, if your version of Windows allows it.
Goldwave is my all time favorite application for recording.
You will want to read the manual sections about selecting your recording
source.
You also will want the Goldwave scripts for Jaws, in which case it works
very well with Jaws. Here is the link to the scripts.
https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jaws-users.com%2Fscripts%2FAudio%2Fgoldwave_5-6_jaws_scripts_2_0.zip&data=02%7C01%7C%7C16c1ac436cd94d6d858108d5cefbec9a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636642503749538223&sdata=I1gYuIwWoqopXbvy3bJh4lLpBoyNBXR76cZ51rG3%2BPY%3D&reserved=0

HTH,
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world
quieter.”
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amanda Berkley
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 10:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Goldwave

Can you record system sound with Goldwave?

I'm looking for something that I can record something from iTunes or
Windows Media Player, and the recording will stop when the track ends.
Does this sound like something Goldwave can do?

Does Goldwave play nice with JAWS?

Thanks,
Amanda












moderated Re: Computers to Help People, Take a Different Road

 

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 04:02 pm, Cristóbal wrote:
Whatever VFO’s aims are, the fact is that this is going to allow for a lot more people to get access to technology they otherwise wouldn’t be able to afford on their own.
About which I am entirely in agreement, even if I have less than glowing feelings toward VFO.  I really don't care all that much why someone is giving something away, in its fully functional form, gratis.  The old saying, "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth," applies.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: Computers to Help People, Take a Different Road

Pat Byrne
 

Arrogance personified.
Pat ByrneAt 03:38 PM 6/11/2018, you wrote:

Hello everyone,

               Nothing less than new and current systems with superior tech support will do around here.

Peter Donahue



moderated Re: Focused inbox in Microsoft Outlook for Windows

Jason White
 

I found that you can move a message from "focused" to "other" using an
option in the context menu. However, I'm still not sure what the quickest
way is to move to the buttons that switch between the "focused" and "other"
messages in the inbox.

Other than that, I haven't encountered any problems so far.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 6:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Focused inbox in Microsoft Outlook for Windows

Can't really help except to say I found Focused inbox annoying in terms of
working with JAWS.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via
Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 2:58 PM
To: main <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Focused inbox in Microsoft Outlook for Windows

I'm trying to manage my mail better by invoking the "focused inbox" option
in Outlook for Windows (the latest version installed from Office 365).

After turning on Focused Inbox within the View tab, what's the easiest way
to switch between the "focused" and "other" inboxes, and to move messages
between the two?

Focused Inbox works well under Microsoft Outlook for iOS, but it isn't
obvious how to use it with JAWS (or any other screen reader) under Windows.
So, hints would be welcome from those who have been there already.


moderated Re: Opening a link in a new tab from the "List of Links" dialog

 

HH,

       Thanks for the workaround.  It is much appreciated.

        I am still hoping that there might be some way to trigger a link to open in a new tab directly from the list of links dialog, but my hope is fading since no one here, and you all are the experts, seems to have a method to do that readily at hand.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: Opening a link in a new tab from the "List of Links" dialog

 

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 04:12 pm, netbat66 wrote:
is this while in the browser?
No.  I don't know how much more clear I can be about wanting to be able to trigger this directly out of the JAWS "List of Links" dialog.

Of course there's a web browser running underneath in order to get said dialog, but I have yet to find a way to activate a link directly from the dialog that will force it to open in a separate tab of its own.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: Opening a link in a new tab from the "List of Links" dialog

HH. Smith Jr.
 

Brian,

 

If you activate the link from the actual window after finding the link by using Insert+F7 “move to link” button then press Control+Enter. Then you can use Control+1 thru 0 to flip through  the different windows in any order of choice. You can even save the tabs in your favorites list if in reading the same newspaper, the visited pages are the same. HTH

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 5:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Opening a link in a new tab from the "List of Links" dialog

 

Can this be done?

I tried CTRL plus hitting enter to activate the link, but it always replaces the contents of the tab that had focus when you invoked the "show list of links" dialog with INS+F7.

I would like to be able to imitate what can be done with CTRL+Left Click in a tabbed browser, which forces the link clicked upon to open in a new tab, but I'll be darned if I can figure out a way when the link selection is occurring via the list of links dialog.

Even if it can be stated, definitively, that this cannot be done then I can come up with a workaround.  When you're trying to read a newspaper it's a lot easier to open the articles of potential interest in their own tabs so that one can go back to "the front page" or "the main page of the sports section" or similar than it is to keep having to reload them and start all over again.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: Opening a link in a new tab from the "List of Links" dialog

netbat66
 

is this while in the browser?
even with a google search list, you do not have to press control enter
to go to the page.
but if you hold down shift then enter it will open the link in another window.
it will do this on most all web page links you click on.
and control w to close that window when you are through with it. this will put you back on the last page you were on.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 2:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Opening a link in a new tab from the "List of Links" dialog

Can this be done?

I tried CTRL plus hitting enter to activate the link, but it always replaces the contents of the tab that had focus when you invoked the "show list of links" dialog with INS+F7.

I would like to be able to imitate what can be done with CTRL+Left Click in a tabbed browser, which forces the link clicked upon to open in a new tab, but I'll be darned if I can figure out a way when the link selection is occurring via the list of links dialog.

Even if it can be stated, definitively, that this cannot be done then I can come up with a workaround. When you're trying to read a newspaper it's a lot easier to open the articles of potential interest in their own tabs so that one can go back to "the front page" or "the main page of the sports section" or similar than it is to keep having to reload them and start all over again.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: Computers to Help People, Take a Different Road

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

I know of two people who have been very pleased with their computers obtained from Computers for the Blind - probably will get my next one there.

Best regards,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 4:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers to Help People, Take a Different Road


Your accusations against Computers for the Blind are totally outrageous and out of line. They provide a valuable service, and I can attest from personal experience that their refurbished computers are not defective as you imply. In fact, I am composing this message on a refurbed Dell Optiplex desktop that I acquired from them three years ago, and it works perfectly. As ffor blind people getting out into the work force, the unemployment rate, by the NFB’s own admission is 70%, a figure which has not changed in decades, and a situation for which, as far as I am concerned, the blindness advocacy groups must bear part of the blame. And exactly what type of employment “opportunity” are you talking about? Fuller Brush salesman?Avon lady? Tupperware party?Multilevel marketing scheme? Give me a break.

Gerald



From: Peter Donahue <mailto:pdonahue2@satx.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 3:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Cc: braille@satx.rr.com <mailto:braille@satx.rr.com>
Subject: Computers to Help People, Take a Different Road


Good afternoon everyone,



While we're glad they're working to make Jaws available on their computers Computers to Help People itself leaves lots to be desired! We know of cases where they sold used computers to blind persons that had hardware that was older than they were told it was. They don't offer their own tech support service, and offer equipment that is deffective and seriously out-of-date.



While it's true unemployment is a serious issue among the blind it's also true that blind persons are presented with business and other opportunities that could give them more than any job could. We know this from having offering our opportunity to blind individuals who either flat turned it down or got involved and didn't remain committed to making it work for them. Our advice to anyone wanting assistive technology or want to upgrade your current technology and to skip the rehab rat race if opportunity comes calling it's legal and credible and you know the person presenting it to you, answer the door, let it in, get on board, and make it happen!



There's no reason why blind persons offered such opportunities should be using junked hardware and seriously out-of-date software. It's your responsibility to develop the needed income streams to keep your equipment and applications current. Failure to do this will be a lack of responsibility on your part! The same also goes for viewing those who have done this successfully as braggers, show-offs etc. Someone who wanted to simply brag about their achievements wouldn't offer to help others do what they accomplished. Such thinking only keeps people broke and forces them to be relegated to using cast-off equipment!



We have done what we're suggesting and will gladly discuss this subject off-list. We received a steamy reminder of our responsibility to have income sorces available for when life happens this past weekend. Late friday evening our air conditioning went out and wasn't repaired until late Saturday evening. Because we took responsibility and positioned ourselves to meet unexpected life challenges we had reserves available from "Yes" decisions we made when opportunity came around. We were able to gtake refuge in a local hotel until our apartment had cooled down to where we could return home.



Mary and I wish to urge everyone to follow our example so you can buy current hardware and software and receive the quality support needed to keep it in ship shape. All the best for a great weekend.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 1:16 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Freedom Scientific partners with Computers for the Blind to give the best computing experience to those who need it - Freedom Scientific Blog



This is pretty cool. For those of us who already have Jaws, probably not a “big deal”, but still. The more who are able to get access to a quality screen reader, the better.

And yes, I am aware of NVDA.

I’ve helped a VI low-income friend get a machine from this organization in the past. They do good work.

Once you get past the initial purchase of Jaws, if you price out the SMAs, it’s basically a $5.00 monthly subscription anyway.

http://blog.freedomscientific.com/cftb/


moderated Re: Computers to Help People, Take a Different Road

Cristóbal
 

Libertarian Atlas Shrugged views aside, this is a good thing. Whatever VFO’s aims are, the fact is that this is going to allow for a lot more people to get access to technology they otherwise wouldn’t be able to afford on their own.

For those of us who are on these lists, again, it’s likely a moot point to a certain degree, but for those who are trying to make their PC last a little longer or who have fallen behind on SMA’s or have a  friend or family member or even a spouce who wants or needs their own set up. This can only be welcome news.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 2:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers to Help People, Take a Different Road

 

 

Oh, you are so smart!  You saved up enough to fix your broken AC!  Well, instead of spending a few hundred bucks for a hotel room, maybe you should have spent a lousy $20 for a fan to tide you over instead.  And by
“money making opportunity”. if you mean groveling on a street corner with a fiddle and a tin cup, well, that just doesn’t cut it, and only reinforces the negative stereotype of blind people in the minds of the sighted public, and does not represent real “employment” by any stretch of the imagination.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 5:19 PM

Subject: Re: Computers to Help People, Take a Different Road

 

Hello again everyone,

 

                And would need to do so after one year. This is most definitely another assistive technology joke!

 

                We received our initial equipment from rehab. we got tired of their services and intrusions into our lives real fast!Since 2006 we have never sought assistance from them and don't plan to do so any time soon. All of our assistive hardware and software was bought by us with funds we raised on our own. Like many here we too started out on Social Security when we got married. Various money-making opportunities came along over the years. After careful scrutany we found one that continues to help us buy our own technology including adaptive hardware and software. Since then we've created additional income streams in order to maintain this equipment as well as meet our other life needs such as when the air conditioning goes out as it did this past weekend.

 

                Since the beginning of 2018 we bought a Braille-Edge 40, along with the latest Jaws upgrade and a copy of Duxbury for our desktop.

 

Just a reminder. If all we want to do is say how great we are we wouldn't offer to help others do the same. End of story.

 

Peter Donahue

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 4:06 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers to Help People, Take a Different Road

 

Hi, Crist óbal. The person who received a computer from Computers for the Blind, to whom I refered in a previous email did not receive a JAWS license. What she received was a JAWS demo install. She needed to buy her own license.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 1:39 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers to Help People, Take a Different Road

 

This email makes absolutely no sense in so many ways.

Even if the PC is crap (what can you reasonably expect for a machine sold to you at $150.00 or less), Just the Jaws license itself makes it something worth looking into.

Probably VFO’s way to increase the amount of individuals using their products while at the same time, banking on building up the revenue through SMA’s going forward.

Again, if you’re looking at one of these machines to begin with, you’re probably limited in your options regardless of your visual impairment.

And by the way, what’s cast-off equipment anyway? I’m writing this email on a refurbished Dell tower that I scored a deal on for example. My monitor? $8 at the Good Will because I was not going to pay upwards of $100 for a screen I have no need for, but for those times I may need my sighted wife to bail me out. My 6 year old HP laserjet printer was starting to give up the ghost so I found a deal on a wireless Brother Laser printer at one of those over-run bulk cash and carry outlets downtown for $10 and a case of 20 compatible ink cartridges for another ten bucks.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 12:27 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Cc:
braille@...
Subject: Computers to Help People, Take a Different Road

 

Good afternoon everyone,

 

                While we're glad they're working to make Jaws available on their computers Computers to Help People itself leaves lots to be desired! We know of cases where they sold used computers to blind persons that had hardware that was older than they were told it was. They don't offer their own tech support service, and offer equipment that is deffective and seriously out-of-date.

 

                While it's true unemployment is a serious issue among the blind it's also true that blind persons are presented with business and other opportunities that could give them more than any job could. We know this from having offering our opportunity to blind individuals who either flat turned it down or got involved and didn't remain committed to making it work for them. Our advice to anyone wanting assistive technology or want to upgrade your current technology and to skip the rehab rat race if opportunity comes calling it's legal and credible and you know the person presenting it to you, answer the door, let it in, get on board, and make it happen!

 

                There's no reason why blind persons offered such opportunities should be using junked hardware and seriously out-of-date software. It's your responsibility to develop the needed income streams to keep your equipment and applications current. Failure to do this will be a lack of responsibility on your part! The same also goes for viewing those who have done this successfully as braggers, show-offs etc. Someone who wanted to simply brag about their achievements wouldn't offer to help others do what they accomplished. Such thinking only keeps people broke and forces them to be relegated to using cast-off equipment!

 

                We have done what we're suggesting and will gladly discuss this subject off-list. We received a steamy reminder of our responsibility to have income sorces available for when life happens this past weekend. Late friday evening our air conditioning went out and wasn't repaired until late Saturday evening. Because we took responsibility and positioned ourselves to meet unexpected life challenges we had reserves available from "Yes" decisions we made when opportunity came around. We were able to gtake refuge in a local hotel until our apartment had cooled down to where we could return home.

 

                Mary and I wish to urge everyone to follow our example so you can buy current hardware and software and receive the quality support needed to keep it in ship shape. All the best for a great weekend.

 

Peter Donahue

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 1:16 PM
To:
jfw@groups.io
Subject: Freedom Scientific partners with Computers for the Blind to give the best computing experience to those who need it - Freedom Scientific Blog

 

This is pretty cool. For those of us who already have Jaws, probably not a “big deal”, but still. The more who are able to get access to a quality screen reader, the better.

And yes, I am aware of NVDA.

I’ve helped a VI low-income friend get a machine from this organization in the past. They do good work.

Once you get past the initial purchase of Jaws, if you price out the SMAs, it’s basically a $5.00 monthly subscription anyway.

http://blog.freedomscientific.com/cftb/


moderated Re: Multiple Signatures

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

To get to where you put in your signature, the key strokes
are Alt-F-T-M. You know, that there is a whole lot of
tabbing to do in that section.

Best regards,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Cook, Steve
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 11:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Multiple Signatures

Hi All,

Using JAWS 2018, Outlook 2016, on a Windows 10 computer. I
have multiple signatures in Outlook. I know there is a
keystroke to choose my signature for my messages, but I
can't recall what it is. Does anyone know the keystroke?
Thanks in advance!

steve


moderated Re: Focused inbox in Microsoft Outlook for Windows

Dan Longmore
 

Can't really help except to say I found Focused inbox annoying in terms of
working with JAWS.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via
Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 2:58 PM
To: main <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Focused inbox in Microsoft Outlook for Windows

I'm trying to manage my mail better by invoking the "focused inbox" option
in Outlook for Windows (the latest version installed from Office 365).

After turning on Focused Inbox within the View tab, what's the easiest way
to switch between the "focused" and "other" inboxes, and to move messages
between the two?

Focused Inbox works well under Microsoft Outlook for iOS, but it isn't
obvious how to use it with JAWS (or any other screen reader) under Windows.
So, hints would be welcome from those who have been there already.


moderated Re: Computers to Help People, Take a Different Road

Dan Longmore
 

Yes, both we as blind individuals and advocacy groups bear some of the blame for ongoing unemployment rates.  So as a self employed individual one of my burdens is to see this rate decreased.  I sit here willing to help work at a grass roots level with ideas to slow or end this problem.

 

Dan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 4:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers to Help People, Take a Different Road

 

 

Your accusations against Computers for the Blind  are totally outrageous and out of line.  They provide a valuable service, and I can attest from personal experience that their refurbished computers are not defective as you imply.  In fact, I am composing this message on a refurbed Dell Optiplex desktop that I acquired from them three years ago, and it works perfectly.  As ffor blind people getting out into the work force, the unemployment rate, by the NFB’s own admission is 70%, a figure which has not changed in decades, and a situation for which, as far as I am concerned, the blindness advocacy groups must bear part of the blame. And exactly what type of employment “opportunity” are you talking about?  Fuller Brush salesman?Avon lady?  Tupperware party?Multilevel marketing scheme?   Give me a break.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 3:27 PM

Subject: Computers to Help People, Take a Different Road

 

Good afternoon everyone,

 

                While we're glad they're working to make Jaws available on their computers Computers to Help People itself leaves lots to be desired! We know of cases where they sold used computers to blind persons that had hardware that was older than they were told it was. They don't offer their own tech support service, and offer equipment that is deffective and seriously out-of-date.

 

                While it's true unemployment is a serious issue among the blind it's also true that blind persons are presented with business and other opportunities that could give them more than any job could. We know this from having offering our opportunity to blind individuals who either flat turned it down or got involved and didn't remain committed to making it work for them. Our advice to anyone wanting assistive technology or want to upgrade your current technology and to skip the rehab rat race if opportunity comes calling it's legal and credible and you know the person presenting it to you, answer the door, let it in, get on board, and make it happen!

 

                There's no reason why blind persons offered such opportunities should be using junked hardware and seriously out-of-date software. It's your responsibility to develop the needed income streams to keep your equipment and applications current. Failure to do this will be a lack of responsibility on your part! The same also goes for viewing those who have done this successfully as braggers, show-offs etc. Someone who wanted to simply brag about their achievements wouldn't offer to help others do what they accomplished. Such thinking only keeps people broke and forces them to be relegated to using cast-off equipment!

 

                We have done what we're suggesting and will gladly discuss this subject off-list. We received a steamy reminder of our responsibility to have income sorces available for when life happens this past weekend. Late friday evening our air conditioning went out and wasn't repaired until late Saturday evening. Because we took responsibility and positioned ourselves to meet unexpected life challenges we had reserves available from "Yes" decisions we made when opportunity came around. We were able to gtake refuge in a local hotel until our apartment had cooled down to where we could return home.

 

                Mary and I wish to urge everyone to follow our example so you can buy current hardware and software and receive the quality support needed to keep it in ship shape. All the best for a great weekend.

 

Peter Donahue

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 1:16 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Freedom Scientific partners with Computers for the Blind to give the best computing experience to those who need it - Freedom Scientific Blog

 

This is pretty cool. For those of us who already have Jaws, probably not a “big deal”, but still. The more who are able to get access to a quality screen reader, the better.

And yes, I am aware of NVDA.

I’ve helped a VI low-income friend get a machine from this organization in the past. They do good work.

Once you get past the initial purchase of Jaws, if you price out the SMAs, it’s basically a $5.00 monthly subscription anyway.

http://blog.freedomscientific.com/cftb/


moderated Re: Opening a link in a new tab from the "List of Links" dialog

 

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 02:58 pm, Brice Mijares wrote:
Isn't that done in the browser settings?
No.  You're thinking of the setting that says to open what would normally open in its own window to open in a tab instead.  That's already taken care of.

To force a clicked link to open in a new tab "the sighted way" before you click on it you hold down CTRL.  If one is actually sitting on the webpage itself in a screen reader you hold down CTRL before you hit Enter to activate the link.  However, since one is often not sitting in the webpage, but in the "list of links" dialog when the activation takes place I'm wondering if there's a way to force opening in a new link when doing so from the dialog.  I have yet to find it.

It would be interesting to know if one can force a link to open in it's own window out of the "list of links" dialog as well.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Computers for the Blind

Dan Longmore
 

Hi,

  Freedom Scientific has not been living up to their old standards in recent months, in my opinion, but with their partnership with CFTB they just improved their grade in my book.  Awesome, for many in the blind community cannot afford a system or have the blessing of a state agency to assist with purchase.  In fact, prior to knowing about this group my wife and I donated old systems to a local assistive technology person who turned the systems around.  Nice work Freedom, and perhaps a an idea for all of us who may be retiring an older system.

 

Dan

 


moderated Re: Opening a link in a new tab from the "List of Links" dialog

Brice Mijares <bricemijares@...>
 

Isn't that done in the browser settings?
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On 6/11/2018 2:50 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Can this be done?
I tried CTRL plus hitting enter to activate the link, but it always replaces the contents of the tab that had focus when you invoked the "show list of links" dialog with INS+F7.
I would like to be able to imitate what can be done with CTRL+Left Click in a tabbed browser, which forces the link clicked upon to open in a new tab, but I'll be darned if I can figure out a way when the link selection is occurring via the list of links dialog.
Even if it can be stated, definitively, that this cannot be done then I can come up with a workaround.  When you're trying to read a newspaper it's a lot easier to open the articles of potential interest in their own tabs so that one can go back to "the front page" or "the main page of the sports section" or similar than it is to keep having to reload them and start all over again.
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Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.
~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: Computers to Help People, Take a Different Road

Dan Longmore
 

Whoa, chill dude,  what may seem important to one may not to another and we really can’t fault one unless we truly know the circumstances.

 

Dan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 5:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers to Help People, Take a Different Road

 

 

Oh, you are so smart!  You saved up enough to fix your broken AC!  Well, instead of spending a few hundred bucks for a hotel room, maybe you should have spent a lousy $20 for a fan to tide you over instead.  And by
“money making opportunity”. if you mean groveling on a street corner with a fiddle and a tin cup, well, that just doesn’t cut it, and only reinforces the negative stereotype of blind people in the minds of the sighted public, and does not represent real “employment” by any stretch of the imagination.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 5:19 PM

Subject: Re: Computers to Help People, Take a Different Road

 

Hello again everyone,

 

                And would need to do so after one year. This is most definitely another assistive technology joke!

 

                We received our initial equipment from rehab. we got tired of their services and intrusions into our lives real fast!Since 2006 we have never sought assistance from them and don't plan to do so any time soon. All of our assistive hardware and software was bought by us with funds we raised on our own. Like many here we too started out on Social Security when we got married. Various money-making opportunities came along over the years. After careful scrutany we found one that continues to help us buy our own technology including adaptive hardware and software. Since then we've created additional income streams in order to maintain this equipment as well as meet our other life needs such as when the air conditioning goes out as it did this past weekend.

 

                Since the beginning of 2018 we bought a Braille-Edge 40, along with the latest Jaws upgrade and a copy of Duxbury for our desktop.

 

Just a reminder. If all we want to do is say how great we are we wouldn't offer to help others do the same. End of story.

 

Peter Donahue

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 4:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers to Help People, Take a Different Road

 

Hi, Crist óbal. The person who received a computer from Computers for the Blind, to whom I refered in a previous email did not receive a JAWS license. What she received was a JAWS demo install. She needed to buy her own license.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 1:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers to Help People, Take a Different Road

 

This email makes absolutely no sense in so many ways.

Even if the PC is crap (what can you reasonably expect for a machine sold to you at $150.00 or less), Just the Jaws license itself makes it something worth looking into.

Probably VFO’s way to increase the amount of individuals using their products while at the same time, banking on building up the revenue through SMA’s going forward.

Again, if you’re looking at one of these machines to begin with, you’re probably limited in your options regardless of your visual impairment.

And by the way, what’s cast-off equipment anyway? I’m writing this email on a refurbished Dell tower that I scored a deal on for example. My monitor? $8 at the Good Will because I was not going to pay upwards of $100 for a screen I have no need for, but for those times I may need my sighted wife to bail me out. My 6 year old HP laserjet printer was starting to give up the ghost so I found a deal on a wireless Brother Laser printer at one of those over-run bulk cash and carry outlets downtown for $10 and a case of 20 compatible ink cartridges for another ten bucks.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: braille@...
Subject: Computers to Help People, Take a Different Road

 

Good afternoon everyone,

 

                While we're glad they're working to make Jaws available on their computers Computers to Help People itself leaves lots to be desired! We know of cases where they sold used computers to blind persons that had hardware that was older than they were told it was. They don't offer their own tech support service, and offer equipment that is deffective and seriously out-of-date.

 

                While it's true unemployment is a serious issue among the blind it's also true that blind persons are presented with business and other opportunities that could give them more than any job could. We know this from having offering our opportunity to blind individuals who either flat turned it down or got involved and didn't remain committed to making it work for them. Our advice to anyone wanting assistive technology or want to upgrade your current technology and to skip the rehab rat race if opportunity comes calling it's legal and credible and you know the person presenting it to you, answer the door, let it in, get on board, and make it happen!

 

                There's no reason why blind persons offered such opportunities should be using junked hardware and seriously out-of-date software. It's your responsibility to develop the needed income streams to keep your equipment and applications current. Failure to do this will be a lack of responsibility on your part! The same also goes for viewing those who have done this successfully as braggers, show-offs etc. Someone who wanted to simply brag about their achievements wouldn't offer to help others do what they accomplished. Such thinking only keeps people broke and forces them to be relegated to using cast-off equipment!

 

                We have done what we're suggesting and will gladly discuss this subject off-list. We received a steamy reminder of our responsibility to have income sorces available for when life happens this past weekend. Late friday evening our air conditioning went out and wasn't repaired until late Saturday evening. Because we took responsibility and positioned ourselves to meet unexpected life challenges we had reserves available from "Yes" decisions we made when opportunity came around. We were able to gtake refuge in a local hotel until our apartment had cooled down to where we could return home.

 

                Mary and I wish to urge everyone to follow our example so you can buy current hardware and software and receive the quality support needed to keep it in ship shape. All the best for a great weekend.

 

Peter Donahue

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 1:16 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Freedom Scientific partners with Computers for the Blind to give the best computing experience to those who need it - Freedom Scientific Blog

 

This is pretty cool. For those of us who already have Jaws, probably not a “big deal”, but still. The more who are able to get access to a quality screen reader, the better.

And yes, I am aware of NVDA.

I’ve helped a VI low-income friend get a machine from this organization in the past. They do good work.

Once you get past the initial purchase of Jaws, if you price out the SMAs, it’s basically a $5.00 monthly subscription anyway.

http://blog.freedomscientific.com/cftb/


moderated Opening a link in a new tab from the "List of Links" dialog

 

Can this be done?

I tried CTRL plus hitting enter to activate the link, but it always replaces the contents of the tab that had focus when you invoked the "show list of links" dialog with INS+F7.

I would like to be able to imitate what can be done with CTRL+Left Click in a tabbed browser, which forces the link clicked upon to open in a new tab, but I'll be darned if I can figure out a way when the link selection is occurring via the list of links dialog.

Even if it can be stated, definitively, that this cannot be done then I can come up with a workaround.  When you're trying to read a newspaper it's a lot easier to open the articles of potential interest in their own tabs so that one can go back to "the front page" or "the main page of the sports section" or similar than it is to keep having to reload them and start all over again.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain


moderated Re: Computers to Help People, Take a Different Road

Gerald Levy
 

 
Oh, you are so smart!  You saved up enough to fix your broken AC!  Well, instead of spending a few hundred bucks for a hotel room, maybe you should have spent a lousy $20 for a fan to tide you over instead.  And by
“money making opportunity”. if you mean groveling on a street corner with a fiddle and a tin cup, well, that just doesn’t cut it, and only reinforces the negative stereotype of blind people in the minds of the sighted public, and does not represent real “employment” by any stretch of the imagination.
 
Gerald
 
 
 

Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: Computers to Help People, Take a Different Road
 

Hello again everyone,

 

                And would need to do so after one year. This is most definitely another assistive technology joke!

 

                We received our initial equipment from rehab. we got tired of their services and intrusions into our lives real fast!Since 2006 we have never sought assistance from them and don't plan to do so any time soon. All of our assistive hardware and software was bought by us with funds we raised on our own. Like many here we too started out on Social Security when we got married. Various money-making opportunities came along over the years. After careful scrutany we found one that continues to help us buy our own technology including adaptive hardware and software. Since then we've created additional income streams in order to maintain this equipment as well as meet our other life needs such as when the air conditioning goes out as it did this past weekend.

 

                Since the beginning of 2018 we bought a Braille-Edge 40, along with the latest Jaws upgrade and a copy of Duxbury for our desktop.

 

Just a reminder. If all we want to do is say how great we are we wouldn't offer to help others do the same. End of story.

 

Peter Donahue

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 4:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers to Help People, Take a Different Road

 

Hi, Crist óbal. The person who received a computer from Computers for the Blind, to whom I refered in a previous email did not receive a JAWS license. What she received was a JAWS demo install. She needed to buy her own license.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 1:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers to Help People, Take a Different Road

 

This email makes absolutely no sense in so many ways.

Even if the PC is crap (what can you reasonably expect for a machine sold to you at $150.00 or less), Just the Jaws license itself makes it something worth looking into.

Probably VFO’s way to increase the amount of individuals using their products while at the same time, banking on building up the revenue through SMA’s going forward.

Again, if you’re looking at one of these machines to begin with, you’re probably limited in your options regardless of your visual impairment.

And by the way, what’s cast-off equipment anyway? I’m writing this email on a refurbished Dell tower that I scored a deal on for example. My monitor? $8 at the Good Will because I was not going to pay upwards of $100 for a screen I have no need for, but for those times I may need my sighted wife to bail me out. My 6 year old HP laserjet printer was starting to give up the ghost so I found a deal on a wireless Brother Laser printer at one of those over-run bulk cash and carry outlets downtown for $10 and a case of 20 compatible ink cartridges for another ten bucks.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: braille@...
Subject: Computers to Help People, Take a Different Road

 

Good afternoon everyone,

 

                While we're glad they're working to make Jaws available on their computers Computers to Help People itself leaves lots to be desired! We know of cases where they sold used computers to blind persons that had hardware that was older than they were told it was. They don't offer their own tech support service, and offer equipment that is deffective and seriously out-of-date.

 

                While it's true unemployment is a serious issue among the blind it's also true that blind persons are presented with business and other opportunities that could give them more than any job could. We know this from having offering our opportunity to blind individuals who either flat turned it down or got involved and didn't remain committed to making it work for them. Our advice to anyone wanting assistive technology or want to upgrade your current technology and to skip the rehab rat race if opportunity comes calling it's legal and credible and you know the person presenting it to you, answer the door, let it in, get on board, and make it happen!

 

                There's no reason why blind persons offered such opportunities should be using junked hardware and seriously out-of-date software. It's your responsibility to develop the needed income streams to keep your equipment and applications current. Failure to do this will be a lack of responsibility on your part! The same also goes for viewing those who have done this successfully as braggers, show-offs etc. Someone who wanted to simply brag about their achievements wouldn't offer to help others do what they accomplished. Such thinking only keeps people broke and forces them to be relegated to using cast-off equipment!

 

                We have done what we're suggesting and will gladly discuss this subject off-list. We received a steamy reminder of our responsibility to have income sorces available for when life happens this past weekend. Late friday evening our air conditioning went out and wasn't repaired until late Saturday evening. Because we took responsibility and positioned ourselves to meet unexpected life challenges we had reserves available from "Yes" decisions we made when opportunity came around. We were able to gtake refuge in a local hotel until our apartment had cooled down to where we could return home.

 

                Mary and I wish to urge everyone to follow our example so you can buy current hardware and software and receive the quality support needed to keep it in ship shape. All the best for a great weekend.

 

Peter Donahue

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 1:16 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Freedom Scientific partners with Computers for the Blind to give the best computing experience to those who need it - Freedom Scientific Blog

 

This is pretty cool. For those of us who already have Jaws, probably not a “big deal”, but still. The more who are able to get access to a quality screen reader, the better.

And yes, I am aware of NVDA.

I’ve helped a VI low-income friend get a machine from this organization in the past. They do good work.

Once you get past the initial purchase of Jaws, if you price out the SMAs, it’s basically a $5.00 monthly subscription anyway.

http://blog.freedomscientific.com/cftb/