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moderated Re: copying text,

Steve Griffiths
 


Hi Jed,

 

Another option, if you have JAWS 16 or later, is to use speech history. Press Insert + Space, then H and you get the last 50 things JAWS said in the virtual viewer, from where you can select and copy what you need. Then Escape to close the virtual viewer. It's a really handy feature.

 

Thanks,

Steve 🐾

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: 08 June 2018 00:46
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: copying text,

 

Hi Jed,

 

You can virtualize the window using the keystroke Insert / Jaws key, Alt, + W, then press, Control + A to select all the text, then press, Control + C, to copy / paste the text to the clipboard  Now press, escape to get out of / close the virtual window and press, Control + V, to paste the text into a text file or message.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers.
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----- Original Message -----

From: Jed Barton

To: main

Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 4:13 PM

Subject: copying text,

 

Hey guys,

OK, i am trying to install a software package.  I am getting an error.
So i need to copy the error to send to some people for review.  The
only way i can review it is with the jaws cursor.  Is there any way i
can copy it using the jaws cursor?

Thanks,
Jed

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moderated Re: tutorials for crome and edge

Mario
 

Nino, I don't think anyone made one for Edge, but here's a new tutorial
for Using the Google Chrome Browser by David Moore.
although it's not an audio tutorial, hopefully it'll be of use:

This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome.
I will also use JAWS 18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2018.1 for this tutorial,
because they all work the same in Chrome.
Finally, I will use Windows 10 Spring 2018 update, 1803. latest public
build.
I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome.
There should be a shortcut on your desktop.

Section One:
Launching Chrome:
One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and
type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS
say Chrome.

However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a
shortcut icon on your desktop.
So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter
to open Chrome.
The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the
Google Chrome icon on your desktop.
The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximize
the window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximize, and you
will get undesirable
results.

Section Two:
Bringing up a web site.
Press CTRL+L or Alt+D
and type the following:
<http://www.freedomscientific.com>
www.freedomscientific.com
The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly.
All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for
combo box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome.

Section Three:
The Virticle Chrome menu:
I will press Alt+F.
The Chrome menu is open.
This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and
down arrow through.
I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu.
New Tab, CTRL+T.
You can press that command right from the web site you are on.
New Window, CTRL+N
You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming
here.
New incognito Window.
History sub menu.
I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu!
History, CTRL+H
So, there is a key command for reading your history.
You can read a few sites you were on right here.
I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu.
Downloads, CTRL+J
There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with
Chrome.
Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu.
I will press right arrow, to open this.
I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D
That command will bookmark the page you are reading.
Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B
That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to
see. I do not want that.
Here is the important one.
manage bookmarks
The command is, CTRL+Shift+O
In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks
you have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can
download,
to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome.
On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads,
and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have
saved in
Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your bookmarks right
to your computer, so you can back them up.
That is all for manage bookmarks.
Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings.
press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings from
IE, and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their
corresponding
folders.
Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down.
Very important!
Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the
choices I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved bookmarks.
If this happens,
I press up arrow a few times, and it gets me to these choices.
Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have
key commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at
all. You only
need to come here most of the time, to arrow through your saved
bookmarks, and enter on the desired one.
To save a web site as a bookmark,
Just press CTRL+D and press enter, and your bookmark is saved.
I will now press left arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu!
I will continue to down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we
entered by just pressing alt.
The next few are very self explanatory.
The next one I will mension, is the more tools submenu.
I will press right arrow on this.
I hear Save Page as, and the command, CTRL+S.
Next, Save to desktop.
This allows you to save the favorite of the page right to your desktop.
This is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this in the file
menu in IE.

It is hidden under this more tools submenu.
Clear Browsing data, and there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key.
Extentions, In here, you can add extentions, delete extentions and so on.
These are the same as add ons, in IE.
I will press left arrow, to close the More Tools sub menu, and we are
back to the virticle Chrome menu.
The last two that I will mention, are settings, and the help sub menu.
If you press the left arrow on the help sub menu, you can open the help
system, just like in other programs, so that is all I will say about help.
Now, we will press enter on settings, and a web like page will open
where the virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will be in
Brows mode.

Section Four:
Adjusting Settings and Advanced settings:
Now that this web page is open, I will just down arrow down the page and
we will deal with each setting.
Important:
I have already signed into Chrome.
So now, arrow down until you hear sign into Chrome and press enter.
You just enter your email address and password, I think it has to be the
same email address and password that you used to set up your Google
account.
I am not sure about this.
You do not need to sign into Chrome, if you do, you can sync all of your
activity between all devices that you have Chrome on. That is the only
advantage
of signing in.
I will continue with what I hear after you have signed in.
If you do not sign in, press H until you hear Appearance.
Each group of settings is a heading that you can get to by pressing H.
This makes it very easy, because you just press H until you hear the
group of settings
you want to work with.
Now, because I have signed in, this is what I hear before getting to
appearance.
The first thing you hear:
Settings.
That is the very top of the web page.
Down arrow, and you hear:
Main Menu Button.
That will just take you back to the virticle menu we were in.
If you down arrow again, you will just hear blank.
Down arrow, again, and you hear:
Settings again, but now, this is a heading. You can get here just by
pressing H at the top of the page.
If you down arrow, you hear:
Search Settings.
This is where you can type in a setting that you want to change.
Down arrow again, and there is the edit field where you type in the
setting you want to work with.
Down arrow again, and you hear another heading saying people.
Down arrow again, and I hear David Clickable.
This is because I have already signed into Chrome.
Down arrow again, and I hear my Gmail email address.
Again, this is because I have already signed into Chrome to sync my
settings and all of that.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
Edit person.
This is where I could change my name.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
Sign Out.
This is because I have already signed in to Chrome.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
Sync.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
On, Sync everything.
This is a combo box, where you can choose what to sinc; I chose
everything in this combo box.
Again, all of this is because I have signed into Chrome already.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Sync button.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Manage other people clickable.
Don't worry about the clickables. There is a clickable for many things,
but then there is the button you enter on right after that.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Manage other people button.
This is what you would press enter on to set up another user.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Import bookmarks and settings Clickable:
Down arrow again, and you actually hear
Import bookmarks and settings button.
Here, you press enter and import all of your bookmarks and settings from
other Browsers like IE.
This is another way of doing this, because remember,
We had a choice of manage bookmarks in the book marks sub menu in the
virticle menu.
There is more than one place to do things in Chrome.
Now, we have a series of headings, that you can just press H for
heading, to get to.
Now, we have gotten to the appearance heading. Down arrow and you hear:
themes, which I did nothing with.
Next, you can open the Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of
extensions, and more.
Then, you hear Themes button.
Do nothing with this.
Next, you hear:
Show home clickable.
Just skip that.
There are many buttons that say clickable, and then there is a button
that you actually press enter on to work with it.
Just work with the buttons, and skip over these clickables.
Down arrow, and you have an edit box where you can put in your home page
you want to get to by pressing Alt+Home.
Next, there is the home button toggle.
Press the spacebar to turn this on or off. If it is on, you can have the
home button show at the top of the Chrome Window.
I have it checked.
Next, you get to the button where you can show the bookmarks toolbar at
the top of every web site.
You might want to check this, because it might be easier to see all of
your bookmarks.
Next, you have the font size choice where you can choose how large the
fonts are in Chrome. There is a combo box that is set to medium by default.
Next, you have the Customize Fonts button.
Next, you have page zoom. There is a combo box set to 100 percent by
default.
Now, we are at another heading, where you can set your search Engine.
There is a combo box below, and I set it to Google because I like to
have my searches open with the Google search engine on the address bar
instead of
Bing.
Next heading:
Default Browser.
Here, you can choose weather you want Chrome to be your default browser
or not.
Just leave this alone if you do not want Chrome to be your default browser.
Next Important heading:
On Start up.
There are a few choices here of what you want to open when you start up
Google Chrome.
There are radio buttons.
The first radio button you could check is to have Chrome open in a new
blank tab.
The next radio button, is to have Chrome open right where you left off
the last time you closed out of Chrome. This could be handy!
The third radio button you can check:
Open a specific page or a set of pages.
Under this, you can type in the URL's of the web sites that you want to
open when you start Chrome.
Next, you can add a new page to your start up pages.
Next important group of settings, the advanced settings.
Now, you have to press enter on the advanced settings button before more
headings of settings will show.
The Advanced settings are collapsed, so you have to press enter to show
more headings of settings.
Now that these advanced settings are open, we get to the next heading of
settings.
There is much more we can customize under the advanced settings.
Privacy and security heading:
Down arrow from here, and you hear:
Google Chrome may use web services to improve your browsing experience.
You may optionally disable these services. Next, there is a link that
says learn
more.
Next, you hear:
use a web service to resolve navigation errors.
Press spacebar to toggle this on or off.
Now you have:
Use a prediction service to enable you in searches.
I left this unchecked.
Next, you have a setting to speed up the loading of web pages:
I checked this with spacebar.
The next three settings I just left alone.
I checked the one that says:
Use a web service to help with spelling.
I leave manage certificates alone.
Next, you have content settings, but this is not a new heading.
We are still working with the same heading.
The only thing of interest here, is the clear history button.
This was available in the vertical menu, so don't worry about this.
Now, we get to the next heading of settings.
Passwords and forms:
Under this heading, just make sure that you check to be able to have
Chrome save passwords.
Languages Heading:
I did nothing with this.
Downloads heading:
This is where you choose where you want your downloads to be saved on
your computer.
Printing heading:
I did nothing with this.
Accessibility heading:
I did nothing with this.
Now, we have the System heading:
Down arrow, and you hear:
Continue running background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed.
I have this unchecked.
Next,
Use hard ware excelloration when Available.
I have this checked.
Next, you hear:
Open proxy settings button.
I left this alone.
Last Heading LOL!
Reset.
Here, you can reset all settings back to their original.
Lastly, there is a button where you can clean up your computer.
We are done with Settings.
Now, just press CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site.
This settings web page, opens in another tab.
That is it for settings.
Notice, we made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot
see these, unless you press enter to expand these.
Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the
menu where we were with the settings.
You see exit, up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the
settings choice.
I press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help
center to get a lot of help using Chrome.
To open a web site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL.
Chrome for me, is so much quicker with web sites that involve streaming
TV and Watching movies, and so on.
For me, Chrome opens large news sites very quickly compared to IE.
Lastly, All JAWS and NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For
example, you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS, and the
elements list
with NVDA. All of that is the exact same.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Nino Dagostino [mailto:ndagostino3@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, Jun 11, 2018 9:27 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: tutorials for crome and edge

Good morning:



Does anybody have mp3 tutorials for edge and Crome?



All help will be appreciated.


moderated tutorials for crome and edge

Nino Dagostino
 

Good morning:

 

Does anybody have mp3 tutorials for edge and Crome?

 

All help will be appreciated.

 

 


moderated Re: Goldwave

Richard Turner
 

Some versions had blocked recording what you hear over the speakers, which also blocks internet streaming from being recorded, since I have no idea what version of Windows you are running, I thought it would be helpful to say that since I could not say absolutely that yes, you can record what you want with Goldwave.

Perhaps that was simply too much information, but I don't like making statements too broadly either.

Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amanda Berkley
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 11:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Goldwave

What do you mean if my version of windows allows it?

I have Windows 10...

On 6/10/18, Richard Turner <richardturner42@outlook.com> wrote:
Yes, if your version of Windows allows it.
Goldwave is my all time favorite application for recording.
You will want to read the manual sections about selecting your recording
source.
You also will want the Goldwave scripts for Jaws, in which case it works
very well with Jaws. Here is the link to the scripts.
https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jaws-users.com%2Fscripts%2FAudio%2Fgoldwave_5-6_jaws_scripts_2_0.zip&;data=02%7C01%7C%7C16c1ac436cd94d6d858108d5cefbec9a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636642503749538223&sdata=I1gYuIwWoqopXbvy3bJh4lLpBoyNBXR76cZ51rG3%2BPY%3D&reserved=0

HTH,
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world
quieter.”
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amanda Berkley
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 10:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Goldwave

Can you record system sound with Goldwave?

I'm looking for something that I can record something from iTunes or
Windows Media Player, and the recording will stop when the track ends.
Does this sound like something Goldwave can do?

Does Goldwave play nice with JAWS?

Thanks,
Amanda







moderated Re: Goldwave

Amanda Berkley
 

What do you mean if my version of windows allows it?

I have Windows 10...

On 6/10/18, Richard Turner <richardturner42@outlook.com> wrote:
Yes, if your version of Windows allows it.
Goldwave is my all time favorite application for recording.
You will want to read the manual sections about selecting your recording
source.
You also will want the Goldwave scripts for Jaws, in which case it works
very well with Jaws. Here is the link to the scripts.
http://www.jaws-users.com/scripts/Audio/goldwave_5-6_jaws_scripts_2_0.zip

HTH,
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world
quieter.”
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amanda Berkley
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 10:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Goldwave

Can you record system sound with Goldwave?

I'm looking for something that I can record something from iTunes or
Windows Media Player, and the recording will stop when the track ends.
Does this sound like something Goldwave can do?

Does Goldwave play nice with JAWS?

Thanks,
Amanda







moderated Re: Goldwave

Richard Turner
 

Yes, if your version of Windows allows it.
Goldwave is my all time favorite application for recording.
You will want to read the manual sections about selecting your recording source.
You also will want the Goldwave scripts for Jaws, in which case it works very well with Jaws. Here is the link to the scripts.
http://www.jaws-users.com/scripts/Audio/goldwave_5-6_jaws_scripts_2_0.zip

HTH,
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amanda Berkley
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 10:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Goldwave

Can you record system sound with Goldwave?

I'm looking for something that I can record something from iTunes or
Windows Media Player, and the recording will stop when the track ends.
Does this sound like something Goldwave can do?

Does Goldwave play nice with JAWS?

Thanks,
Amanda


moderated Goldwave

Amanda Berkley
 

Can you record system sound with Goldwave?

I'm looking for something that I can record something from iTunes or
Windows Media Player, and the recording will stop when the track ends.
Does this sound like something Goldwave can do?

Does Goldwave play nice with JAWS?

Thanks,
Amanda


moderated Testing New Email, Please Ignore

Mike B. <mike9902@...>
 

Hi All,
 
Just testing a new email address & creating a new message rule.
Take Care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.


moderated Re: JAWS and Google Chrome

 

Addendum:  I should have mentioned that the Chrome bookmarks manager opens in its own tab when you hit CTRL+SHIFT+O, and focus is immediately thrown to that newly opened tab.

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moderated Re: JAWS and Google Chrome

 

Hitting the ALT key in Chrome, if you are anywhere *but* in the address/search box, will throw focus to the Chrome menu button, which you must then down arrow to expand.

Hitting ALT if you are actually in the address/search box does nothing.

Just curious, but have you ever tried the Chrome Bookmarks Manager, which you can open with CTRL+SHIFT+O?  You start in the Bookmarks search box.  If you tab twice you are in the tree view for your bookmarks that's analogous to the same thing in File Explorer or an e-mail client, but you can't use single letter navigation.  If you know what your existing bookmark folder structure is, and you're looking for a folder, you can enter the folder name (or part of it) in the search box, hit Enter to run the search, then tab 4 times to land in that folder's list of links.  You can, of course, also do the same thing for the bookmark name for a bookmark in the search box, tab 4 times, and be in the list of individual bookmarks (and, possibly folders if one matches) that match the search.

I find using the bookmarks manager in Chrome, and also in Firefox (where it conveniently hangs around in its own window named Library that you can ALT+Tab to when you want to revisit it) the easiest way to access bookmarks with the least amount of "brute force" running through the list looking for something.
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     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

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moderated Re: best way to read email with tables?

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

OK, Thanks for the clarification, Sieghard.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 8:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: best way to read email with tables?

 

Very strange, I also use the latest Jaws 2018 and Jaws Key+X toggles between “Off” and “Controls and Tables”. However, it only does this where it applies, e.g. if I press this in this message as I am writing/compiling it, it doe snothing, but when I pressed it after opening your message the toggle worked.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: best way to read email with tables?

 

Hi, Sieghard. I am using the latest update of JAWS 2018. JAWS key plus X no longer does anything at all for me. It does not toggle smart navigation, and it does not give any announcement when pressed.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 8:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: best way to read email with tables?

 

Make sure you have turned off smart navigation, you can do this permanently in Settings or just on the fly with Jaws Key+X.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: best way to read email with tables?

 

When this gibberish happens to me, I close outlook and reopen and then it is ok

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 3:04 PM
To: JFW list (main@jfw.groups.io) <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: best way to read email with tables?

 

All,

As an example of the dilemma I am having, I was trying to read an email in Outlook 2010 containing my itinerary for an upcoming flight.   I needed to find my arrival time to give someone.  I wanted to arrow down through the email, but I kept hearing stuff like “nesting level 8” and really couldn’t find the information.  I seemed to find a lot on what you’d call the fine print of the email, but not the information that I’m guessing was presented in a table.  I also tried the Say All approach, hoping that would skip the clutter, but that didn’t’ work.   I turned off JAWS And went to Window Eyes where I was able to arrow down through the message with no extra clutter language and easily find the information I needed.   What could I do with JAWS to accomplish this?   I’m still very new to JAWS. 

 

 

 

 

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moderated Re: best way to read email with tables?

 

Very strange, I also use the latest Jaws 2018 and Jaws Key+X toggles between “Off” and “Controls and Tables”. However, it only does this where it applies, e.g. if I press this in this message as I am writing/compiling it, it doe snothing, but when I pressed it after opening your message the toggle worked.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 8:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: best way to read email with tables?

 

Hi, Sieghard. I am using the latest update of JAWS 2018. JAWS key plus X no longer does anything at all for me. It does not toggle smart navigation, and it does not give any announcement when pressed.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 8:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: best way to read email with tables?

 

Make sure you have turned off smart navigation, you can do this permanently in Settings or just on the fly with Jaws Key+X.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: best way to read email with tables?

 

When this gibberish happens to me, I close outlook and reopen and then it is ok

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 3:04 PM
To: JFW list (main@jfw.groups.io) <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: best way to read email with tables?

 

All,

As an example of the dilemma I am having, I was trying to read an email in Outlook 2010 containing my itinerary for an upcoming flight.   I needed to find my arrival time to give someone.  I wanted to arrow down through the email, but I kept hearing stuff like “nesting level 8” and really couldn’t find the information.  I seemed to find a lot on what you’d call the fine print of the email, but not the information that I’m guessing was presented in a table.  I also tried the Say All approach, hoping that would skip the clutter, but that didn’t’ work.   I turned off JAWS And went to Window Eyes where I was able to arrow down through the message with no extra clutter language and easily find the information I needed.   What could I do with JAWS to accomplish this?   I’m still very new to JAWS. 

 

 

 

 

Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager

Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance

720-304-1060 | Robin_Van_Lant@...

 



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moderated JAWS and Google Chrome

Private Email
 

Hey Guys, I am a new group member and have a specific question about google chrome and jaws 2018.  I understand that Alt is supposed to take you to the menu bar however I seem to get stuck in the address edit box and am unable to get to that alt menu.  My main issue with this is trying to open my bookmarks so I can go to a certain page.  Anyone got any suggestions?  I am running JAWS 2018 and the latest version of chrome.  


moderated Re: best way to read email with tables?

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Sieghard. I am using the latest update of JAWS 2018. JAWS key plus X no longer does anything at all for me. It does not toggle smart navigation, and it does not give any announcement when pressed.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 8:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: best way to read email with tables?

 

Make sure you have turned off smart navigation, you can do this permanently in Settings or just on the fly with Jaws Key+X.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: best way to read email with tables?

 

When this gibberish happens to me, I close outlook and reopen and then it is ok

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 3:04 PM
To: JFW list (main@jfw.groups.io) <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: best way to read email with tables?

 

All,

As an example of the dilemma I am having, I was trying to read an email in Outlook 2010 containing my itinerary for an upcoming flight.   I needed to find my arrival time to give someone.  I wanted to arrow down through the email, but I kept hearing stuff like “nesting level 8” and really couldn’t find the information.  I seemed to find a lot on what you’d call the fine print of the email, but not the information that I’m guessing was presented in a table.  I also tried the Say All approach, hoping that would skip the clutter, but that didn’t’ work.   I turned off JAWS And went to Window Eyes where I was able to arrow down through the message with no extra clutter language and easily find the information I needed.   What could I do with JAWS to accomplish this?   I’m still very new to JAWS. 

 

 

 

 

Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager

Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance

720-304-1060 | Robin_Van_Lant@...

 



This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.

127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114


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moderated Re: best way to read email with tables?

 

Make sure you have turned off smart navigation, you can do this permanently in Settings or just on the fly with Jaws Key+X.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: best way to read email with tables?

 

When this gibberish happens to me, I close outlook and reopen and then it is ok

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 3:04 PM
To: JFW list (main@jfw.groups.io) <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: best way to read email with tables?

 

All,

As an example of the dilemma I am having, I was trying to read an email in Outlook 2010 containing my itinerary for an upcoming flight.   I needed to find my arrival time to give someone.  I wanted to arrow down through the email, but I kept hearing stuff like “nesting level 8” and really couldn’t find the information.  I seemed to find a lot on what you’d call the fine print of the email, but not the information that I’m guessing was presented in a table.  I also tried the Say All approach, hoping that would skip the clutter, but that didn’t’ work.   I turned off JAWS And went to Window Eyes where I was able to arrow down through the message with no extra clutter language and easily find the information I needed.   What could I do with JAWS to accomplish this?   I’m still very new to JAWS. 

 

 

 

 

Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager

Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance

720-304-1060 | Robin_Van_Lant@...

 



This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.

127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114


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moderated Re: Total Recorder

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

I use the curnel mode driver, but I don't uncheck the filter mode driver either.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nino Dagostino
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 1:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Total Recorder

Hi Bill:

I baught total recorder and tried to set it up the way they said and I cant get it to work.

What driver do you use?

Thank you.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 12:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Total Recorder

Hi, Amanda. I currently use Total Recorder for recording captured Internet streams. I am using Windows 10, and JAWS 2018. Specifically, I use Total Recorder Professional Edition for audio only. I don't turn off JAWS while recording. Instead, I start Total recorder, put in the link for the website for which I want to record the stream, press JAWS key plus SPACE, then S to turn speech off, then press ENTER to go to the website.

I know there is supposed to be a way to get Total Recorder to exclude JAWS from what it records, but this has not worked well for me. What happens when I try to do this is this. I follow the instructions for installing Total Recorder the way you're supposed to, to only install the Curnel mode driver. When I start Total recorder that way, it does not record JAWS. It also records the stream, when I can get it to play. Often, though, the stream will not play in this mode, plus, when I want to use WinAmp to play my music, the music won't play. This is why I just let JAWS record at the beginning, and edit JAWS off the beginning of the recording, after I have completed the recording.

I have used Total recorder for about eight years now, and although there have been bugs now and then, I am satisfied with its operation.

If you should decide to purchase Total Recorder Professional Edition, which is about $39, I would be happy to help you with the learning curve. I will send a private message to your gmail account with my telephone number. I hope the information I have provided may be of help to you.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Amanda Berkley
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 9:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Total Recorder

I was wondering if anyone has experience with the Total Recorder application while using JFW? I currently have JFW 18 and was told that Total Recorder would be good for recording system sound. I see mention of screen reader users on their website, but wanted others opinions before making the purchase.

Thanks,
Amanda


moderated Re: Total Recorder

Nino Dagostino
 

Hi Bill:

I baught total recorder and tried to set it up the way they said and I cant get it to work.

What driver do you use?

Thank you.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 12:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Total Recorder

Hi, Amanda. I currently use Total Recorder for recording captured Internet streams. I am using Windows 10, and JAWS 2018. Specifically, I use Total Recorder Professional Edition for audio only. I don't turn off JAWS while recording. Instead, I start Total recorder, put in the link for the website for which I want to record the stream, press JAWS key plus SPACE, then S to turn speech off, then press ENTER to go to the website.

I know there is supposed to be a way to get Total Recorder to exclude JAWS from what it records, but this has not worked well for me. What happens when I try to do this is this. I follow the instructions for installing Total Recorder the way you're supposed to, to only install the Curnel mode driver. When I start Total recorder that way, it does not record JAWS. It also records the stream, when I can get it to play. Often, though, the stream will not play in this mode, plus, when I want to use WinAmp to play my music, the music won't play. This is why I just let JAWS record at the beginning, and edit JAWS off the beginning of the recording, after I have completed the recording.

I have used Total recorder for about eight years now, and although there have been bugs now and then, I am satisfied with its operation.

If you should decide to purchase Total Recorder Professional Edition, which is about $39, I would be happy to help you with the learning curve. I will send a private message to your gmail account with my telephone number. I hope the information I have provided may be of help to you.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Amanda Berkley
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 9:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Total Recorder

I was wondering if anyone has experience with the Total Recorder application while using JFW? I currently have JFW 18 and was told that Total Recorder would be good for recording system sound. I see mention of screen reader users on their website, but wanted others opinions before making the purchase.

Thanks,
Amanda


moderated Re: best way to read email with tables?

Alan Robbins
 

When this gibberish happens to me, I close outlook and reopen and then it is ok

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 3:04 PM
To: JFW list (main@jfw.groups.io) <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: best way to read email with tables?

 

All,

As an example of the dilemma I am having, I was trying to read an email in Outlook 2010 containing my itinerary for an upcoming flight.   I needed to find my arrival time to give someone.  I wanted to arrow down through the email, but I kept hearing stuff like “nesting level 8” and really couldn’t find the information.  I seemed to find a lot on what you’d call the fine print of the email, but not the information that I’m guessing was presented in a table.  I also tried the Say All approach, hoping that would skip the clutter, but that didn’t’ work.   I turned off JAWS And went to Window Eyes where I was able to arrow down through the message with no extra clutter language and easily find the information I needed.   What could I do with JAWS to accomplish this?   I’m still very new to JAWS. 

 

 

 

 

Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager

Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance

720-304-1060 | Robin_Van_Lant@...

 



This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.

127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114


If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key
send an e-mail to mailto:DNERequests@... with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.


moderated best way to read email with tables?

Van Lant, Robin
 

All,

As an example of the dilemma I am having, I was trying to read an email in Outlook 2010 containing my itinerary for an upcoming flight.   I needed to find my arrival time to give someone.  I wanted to arrow down through the email, but I kept hearing stuff like “nesting level 8” and really couldn’t find the information.  I seemed to find a lot on what you’d call the fine print of the email, but not the information that I’m guessing was presented in a table.  I also tried the Say All approach, hoping that would skip the clutter, but that didn’t’ work.   I turned off JAWS And went to Window Eyes where I was able to arrow down through the message with no extra clutter language and easily find the information I needed.   What could I do with JAWS to accomplish this?   I’m still very new to JAWS. 

 

 

 

 

Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager

Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance

720-304-1060 | Robin_Van_Lant@...

 



This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.

127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114


If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key
send an e-mail to mailto:DNERequests@... with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.


moderated Re: Update On Outlook 2016 e-mail Attachment Issue

 

I now use Windows 10 exclusively although I wish I had stuck with Windows 7 at my retail store. But that is a different topic, the point is that attaching files by copying and pasting has never caused me problems and it has never made OUtlook crash even in Windows 7. I remember at some point I couldn’t use Control+Y and some other shortcuts, but attaching files this way has always worked flawlessly.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 4:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Update On Outlook 2016 e-mail Attachment Issue

 

Sieghard:

 

Are you using Windows 10 or Windows 7?

 

I’m using Windows 7 here with a Dell Lattitude laptop.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 11:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Update On Outlook 2016 e-mail Attachment Issue

 

I have 5 PC’s, 4 are desktops and at home I have a laptop and my Outlook never crashes when I attach one or multiple files. Not sure why this happens on your machine, it’s also not something I have come across on the various lists I am on and that includes the Jaws beta list.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 1:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; 'jfw list' <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Re: Update On Outlook 2016 e-mail Attachment Issue

 

No issues with NVDA…

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Donnerstag, 7. Juni 2018 20:47
To: 'jfw list' <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Update On Outlook 2016 e-mail Attachment Issue

 

Hello, everyone.

 

I just installed the latest build of Jaws 2018—version 1805.33, and I am now able to attach documents to an e-mail at least some of the time.

 

What I mean is that the process works, but not consistently.

 

I have tried the various suggestions I have been given for attaching files, and they all seem to work at least most of the time.

 

However, there still are some times when Outlook e-mail completely crashes, irrespective of the attachment method I use.

 

My next steps will likely be to see what happens with either NVDA or Narrator to help determine if this is a Jaws issue.

 

Will keep everyone posted.

 

Once again, I’m using Outlook 2016 with Office 365 here, along with Jaws 2018 on this windows 7 computer.

 

Tom Behler