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moderated Re: Jaws losing focus

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Thanks, I was looking for it in the main Settings, Jaws Key+6. Apparently this only applies to specific applications because typing “focus” in the search box in the main Settings Centre does not find such an option.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 10:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws losing focus

 

Hi Sieghard,

 

While in any application open Jaws quick settings with, Jaws key + V, type, focus, into the Search field, or down arrow to the, Focus loss announcement, checkbox.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 9:33 AM

Subject: Re: Jaws losing focus

 

How do you turn it off?


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws losing focus

Hi, Val. Here's what I do concerning the Lost Focus message. I turn it on for specific applications. I have it off for the Windows configuration, which is what loads when the system first boots up. I keep the Lost Focus message on for any application that requires editing, such as Notepad, Word, Wordpad, HJPad, Outlook, Internet Explorer, etc. This way, if I'm attempting to stay in an edit field, and the window loses focus, I won't waste my time typing into a non-focused window without an edit field.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws losing focus

Exactly.  You don't even need the message, because you know it loses focus every time you boot up.

But it is a personal choice, if you like extra babble, leave it on.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Walls
Sent: 13 April 2018 16:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws losing focus

Val, don't worry about the lack of focus message.  My JAWS gives the same message when I turn on the computer and I just press my shortcut keys to open my email and go into Word.

Have a happy day.

Don


















moderated Re: Jaws losing focus

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi Sieghard,
 
While in any application open Jaws quick settings with, Jaws key + V, type, focus, into the Search field, or down arrow to the, Focus loss announcement, checkbox.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws losing focus

How do you turn it off?


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws losing focus

Hi, Val. Here's what I do concerning the Lost Focus message. I turn it on for specific applications. I have it off for the Windows configuration, which is what loads when the system first boots up. I keep the Lost Focus message on for any application that requires editing, such as Notepad, Word, Wordpad, HJPad, Outlook, Internet Explorer, etc. This way, if I'm attempting to stay in an edit field, and the window loses focus, I won't waste my time typing into a non-focused window without an edit field.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws losing focus

Exactly.  You don't even need the message, because you know it loses focus every time you boot up.

But it is a personal choice, if you like extra babble, leave it on.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Walls
Sent: 13 April 2018 16:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws losing focus

Val, don't worry about the lack of focus message.  My JAWS gives the same message when I turn on the computer and I just press my shortcut keys to open my email and go into Word.

Have a happy day.

Don



















moderated Re: help, can't get balloon about Win 10 back!

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

I don't think you can get Windows 10 any more for free this way, not sure why this still popped up.
Screenreader users were still able to upgrade to Windows 10 for free until the end of 2017, but the free upgrade offer for everybody was already over I think at the end of July last year.
I just upgraded two Windows 7 PC's at my store to Windows 10 and had to buy two copies of Windows 10 Professional. Interestigly enough I was able to get them for $164.99 Canadian on DVD from Newegg.ca (other stores had similar promotions, but when I went to the Microsoft Store to buy an electronic copy/license the price was $199.99. I find it really somewhat stupid that Microsoft doesn't offer the same promotion online. I ended up buying it from Memory Express in Calgary where I dealt with the same guy for probably 10 years and after I purchased the DVD's he opened them and emailed me the product keys before he packed them up and sent them to me. This way I could activate my newly installed copies without having to wait for 2 days to get the DVD's.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 10:10 AM
To: NVDA users list <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Cc: Jaws user list <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: help, can't get balloon about Win 10 back!

Hi,
I have a windows 7 laptop, with both Jaws 16, and NVDA 2018.1.1 on it This morning, when I booted the system, I got a message in the corner of my screen, which said, "get windows 10" so I clicked it, and supposedly, reserved my copy.
note: at that time, I wasn't connected to wifi, but apparently it still worked.
I wish I could get that balloon back, now that I'm connected just to make sure.
Windows 7 is very slow.

What can I do?
Sorry for cross-posting but I felt that was best, since I have both screen-readers installed, although, Jaws is unlicensed.

Thanks for any help you can provide.



Thanks,
Jessica


moderated help, can't get balloon about Win 10 back!

Jessica D <jldail13@...>
 

Hi,
I have a windows 7 laptop, with both Jaws 16, and NVDA 2018.1.1 on it
This morning, when I booted the system, I got a message in the corner of my screen, which said, "get windows 10" so I clicked it, and supposedly, reserved my copy.
note: at that time, I wasn't connected to wifi, but apparently it still worked.
I wish I could get that balloon back, now that I'm connected just to make sure.
Windows 7 is very slow.

What can I do?
Sorry for cross-posting but I felt that was best, since I have both screen-readers installed, although, Jaws is unlicensed.

Thanks for any help you can provide.



Thanks,
Jessica


moderated Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Rahul Bajaj
 

thanks, everyone. Just one question: I use JAWS OCR in such situations
sometimes. However, when I paste the result into a word document, it
appears in the form of a table. Is there any way to prevent this?

On 15/04/2018, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:
Convenient OCR was introduced in Jaws 2013.
Using the "Recognize with Jaws" option from the context menu is not what I
would call "Opening the PDF". Yes, it will perform the OCR and display the
result in the PDF viewer, but you aren't actually opening the file. I always
try Adobe first and only use the Jaws OCR feature if the document doesn't
read or only partially reads. I get a lot of invoices from supplier and
often they open up and seem accessible but then I sometimes realize it's
only the invoice header and all the information about the products
(description, quantity, price and so on) are missing. If I then bring up
Jaws OCR and let it do its thing I can usually get this information and more
often than not properly presented in a table.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Steve,
I'm not sure that is any more direct than opening it in Adobe and using the
OCR keystrokes.
I knew one could do that, but I thought the person was wanting a way to do
it from Adobe.
I learned from Ann that the OCR was available at least as far back as Jaws
16.
As you know, Im fairly new to using Jaws ...

Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world
quieter.”
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi Richard,

You can already force it.

Simply find your PDF file in explorer, press the applications key and select
Recognise With JAWS.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 14 April 2018 16:31
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Tom, it is not designed to do that because if it is not a scanned image, it
shouldn't require OCR.
If you want to try the scan, you will have to envoke it with the
keystrokes.
I suppose someone could write a script to force it, but that could bring
some unintended problems and slow things down if it is a large PDF.
But, what do I know, I've only really used Jaws since they killed
Window-Eyes.

HTH,
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world
quieter.”
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 8:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Bill:

Regarding "recognize with Jaws", I have found that sometimes, if the file is
a scanned image file, recognize with Jaws will come up automatically.

In other cases, like the one we are dealing with here, this does not seem to
happen.

Does anyone know of a way to get "Recognize With Jaws" to come up
automatically for all PDF Documents?

Once again, I'm using the latest build of Jaws 2018 here on this Windows 7
machine.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

If you have JAWS 2018, try highlighting the PDF, press either the
Applications key or SHIFT plus F10, arrow down to recognize with JAWS, and
press ENTER. Wait for a few minutes, and your document should be rendered
and readable.

To save the document, open Word, notepad or some other program which will
save text, paste from the clipboard into the program, and save. This often
gives better results than Acrobat Reader DC.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul
Bajaj
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 2:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi, the former - using it with Acrobat reader. it is a searchable pdf.

On 14/04/2018, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:
Hi, Rahul. How are you rendering the pdf document? are you using
Acrobat Reader DC, or are you using the OCR recognition feature of
JAWS to render the document into text? This might have a bearing on
how the document is displayed.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 11:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi everyone,

I am using JAWS 16 on a Windows 10 machine. Very often, JAWS reads
several words together in a PDF document, which makes it impossible to
figure out what it is saying. Is there a way to fix this, except by
way of converting the document into word?

Best,
Rahul




































moderated Re: Touch Cursor

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Hi Richard,

 

Yes, it is usable from the keyboard and often the only way to get to certain information.

You turn it on by pressing Shift+PC cursor. I think earlier I said doubl epress the PC cursor twice quickly, but that is how you turn it off again.

Try the Settings, go there with Control+I, tab once and press End to go to Update and Security, press enter to open it.

As soon as I press enter I hear Jaws say the following:

 

Your device is up to date. Last checked: Yesterday, ‏‎9:46 PM

Search box, Find a setting edit

 

Now, this information about your device is up to date and when it was checked is read, but if you now tab through all the options for Windows Update, the first item in “Upgrade and Security” you never hear it again, here is what you get:

 

Update & Security List box

Windows Update, 1 of 9

Check for updates Button

View installed update history Link

Change active hours Link

Restart options Link

Advanced options Link

Get help with your updates Link

Learn more Link

Check Storage Link

OS build info Link

Get help Link

Give us feedback Link

Home Button – this is the last item, tab once more and you are back in the settings search box:

Search box, Find a setting edit

 

Now, let’s do this:

I tab once from when I’m on “Windows Update”, the first of nine items in Update and Security, this puts me on “Check for Updates”.

Now turn on the touch cursor and arrow left once and bingo:

Check for updates Button – I just tabbed from the main list

Touch – I now turned on the touch cursor with Shift+PC cursor

Your device is up to date. Last checked: Yesterday, ‏‎9:46 PM – I arrowed left once and Jaws reads the information. You can now press NumPad Slash, the left mouse button to enter review mode and read that message word by word or character by character, pressing escape takes you out of review mode and you again are using th etouch cursor.

Check for updates button, has focus – I pressed right arrow again and will continue to do so, you notice at times Jaws now reads additional information from when you just tabbed through thes eoptions:

View installed update history link

Update settings

We’ll automatically download and install updates, except on metered connections (where charges may apply). In that case, we’ll automatically download only those updates required to keep Windows running smoothly.

Change active hours link – if you tab you go directly from View Update history to ACtive hours, the above text is not read

 

You get the point, just give it a try. Also, try to press enter on “Check for updates”, then turn on the touch cursor and arrow left.

Lastly, one app you may have to use from time to time is the Store app and as it is a UWP (universal windows platform) app you really need the touch cursor here.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 9:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Touch Cursor

 

OK, time for revealing my jaws ignorance again.

Using Windows 10 Home 64 bit, Jaws 2018, no touch screen; is the touch cursor usable from the keyboard?

If so, when would you turn it on and perhaps more importantly, how to turn it on.

 

Quickly tapping the numpad plus, doesn’t say anything about a touch cursor, nor does double tapping the numpad-minus key, though it does say Invisible.

 

I tried searching Jaws quick keys with insert+v and searching for touch, but the only thing that came up did not help.

 

Thanks,

Richard

 

 

 

 

“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

 


moderated Re: JAWS voices

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

That would be a sad day indeed.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 9:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS voices

Get rid of Eloquence?  Oh please! never!


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 4/15/2018 12:20 PM, Andrew Diederick wrote:
Hello all:
Thank you for the information. I was afraid that everything would have to be done one word at a time. I am not going to correct thousands of words in the jaws dictionary for a vocalizer voice. I hope the makers at freedom scientific never get rid of eloquence.
On Apr 15, 2018, at 9:05 AM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:

Hi, Mario. What I am saying is that, even if you put the same entries into the dictionary of the Vocalizer voices as they were in the Elequence voice, they won't be pronounced the same way as they were in Eloquence. This is because the Vocalizer voices pronounce the same groups of letters differently from the way Eloquence pronounces the same groups of letters.

I wasn't saying that there aren't pronunciation dictionaries for the Vocalizer voices, only that you will need to find completely different spellings to make the Vocalizer voices pronounce words the same way they were pronounced with Eloquence.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mario
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS voices

oh yes there is.

start the dictionary manager,
press control+shift+d if you want the changes to apply to all
programs you decide to use, press tab to skip past the add button, if
the entry you want to "transfer" is in a language folder, arrow to it
and press right arrow to reveal it's entries.), arrow to the entry
you want to transfer, note that there maybe entries that apply to all
languages, which are not found in any language folder but at the
bottom of this list.

tab to and space bar on the change button or just press alt+c, tab
until you get to a language combo box or just press alt+l.
from here, you can make the appropriate changes including the next 2,
3, or 4 combo boxes by subsequently tabbing to them and making the
appropriate choice, and finally space barring on the ok button.

unfortunately, I know of no way to "transfer" a group of
words/pronunciations at one shot. it looks like you'll have to do
each one by one. tedious to say the least.

I hope this is what is wanted. good luck.
-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...]
Sent: Sunday, Apr 15, 2018 12:54 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS voices

I don't think it is possible to transfer the Eloquence pronunciation
dictionaries to the Vocalizer engine.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Andrew Diederick
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 9:28 PM
To: main
Subject: JAWS voices

Hello All,

I have been a jaws user for almost 15 years now. I like the
vocalizer voices but do not care for their pronunciation. It is not
the same as eloquence. That is the only thing that stops me from
using the vocalizer voices. Does anyone know how to transfer the
complete pronunciation dictionary from eloquence to a vocalizer
voice? -Andrew-









.










moderated Re: JAWS voices

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Hi Owais,

From time to time I try the Vocalizer voices and then I think that they soud good and they are very responsive and so on. But I always find myself backwith Eloquence because while it is not human sounding, it often pronounces things better than the human voices and I can use it very fast which for me is important. When I use my computer at my business I want to get things done and Jaws is strictly the tool for that. I think for you coming from a Mac where you are used to Alex and other human sounding voices it makes sense that youlike Vocalizer voices, but for me and many others who go way back to the late 80's and early 90's where there were no such voices it is different. We were all used to actual speech synthesizers like DecTalk, Accent or, God forbid, DoubleTalk, those things could really talk fast, but the quality was horrendous yet we got used to them. For all of us when Eloquence came along as the first software synthesizer with better sound quality it was like heaven. Human sounding voices are great, but just as real humans, they don't usually sound so good if they try to talk really fast.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Owais Patel
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 12:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS voices

Hi there. I to love Vocalizer Expressive specially version 2.2. The thing that I say about Voices not pronouncing things correct is that's where Braille becomes handy. If you have a Braille Display then as long as you can make sure that you've spelled things correctly voic pronounciation shouldn't matter. I like voices that sound more human sounding than those that can speak things really fast corrctly′ Thought it would be nice to share my thoughts on this.

Sincerely,
Owais

On Apr 14, 2018, at 10:28 PM, Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@...> wrote:

Hello All,

I have been a jaws user for almost 15 years now. I like the
vocalizer voices but do not care for their pronunciation. It is not
the same as eloquence. That is the only thing that stops me from using
the vocalizer voices. Does anyone know how to transfer the complete
pronunciation dictionary from eloquence to a vocalizer voice? -Andrew-



moderated Touch Cursor

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

OK, time for revealing my jaws ignorance again.

Using Windows 10 Home 64 bit, Jaws 2018, no touch screen; is the touch cursor usable from the keyboard?

If so, when would you turn it on and perhaps more importantly, how to turn it on.

 

Quickly tapping the numpad plus, doesn’t say anything about a touch cursor, nor does double tapping the numpad-minus key, though it does say Invisible.

 

I tried searching Jaws quick keys with insert+v and searching for touch, but the only thing that came up did not help.

 

Thanks,

Richard

 

 

 

 

“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

 


moderated Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Convenient OCR was introduced in Jaws 2013.
Using the "Recognize with Jaws" option from the context menu is not what I would call "Opening the PDF". Yes, it will perform the OCR and display the result in the PDF viewer, but you aren't actually opening the file. I always try Adobe first and only use the Jaws OCR feature if the document doesn't read or only partially reads. I get a lot of invoices from supplier and often they open up and seem accessible but then I sometimes realize it's only the invoice header and all the information about the products (description, quantity, price and so on) are missing. If I then bring up Jaws OCR and let it do its thing I can usually get this information and more often than not properly presented in a table.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Steve,
I'm not sure that is any more direct than opening it in Adobe and using the OCR keystrokes.
I knew one could do that, but I thought the person was wanting a way to do it from Adobe.
I learned from Ann that the OCR was available at least as far back as Jaws 16.
As you know, Im fairly new to using Jaws ...

Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi Richard,

You can already force it.

Simply find your PDF file in explorer, press the applications key and select Recognise With JAWS.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 14 April 2018 16:31
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Tom, it is not designed to do that because if it is not a scanned image, it shouldn't require OCR.
If you want to try the scan, you will have to envoke it with the keystrokes.
I suppose someone could write a script to force it, but that could bring some unintended problems and slow things down if it is a large PDF.
But, what do I know, I've only really used Jaws since they killed Window-Eyes.

HTH,
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 8:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Bill:

Regarding "recognize with Jaws", I have found that sometimes, if the file is a scanned image file, recognize with Jaws will come up automatically.

In other cases, like the one we are dealing with here, this does not seem to happen.

Does anyone know of a way to get "Recognize With Jaws" to come up automatically for all PDF Documents?

Once again, I'm using the latest build of Jaws 2018 here on this Windows 7 machine.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

If you have JAWS 2018, try highlighting the PDF, press either the Applications key or SHIFT plus F10, arrow down to recognize with JAWS, and press ENTER. Wait for a few minutes, and your document should be rendered and readable.

To save the document, open Word, notepad or some other program which will save text, paste from the clipboard into the program, and save. This often gives better results than Acrobat Reader DC.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 2:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi, the former - using it with Acrobat reader. it is a searchable pdf.

On 14/04/2018, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:
Hi, Rahul. How are you rendering the pdf document? are you using
Acrobat Reader DC, or are you using the OCR recognition feature of
JAWS to render the document into text? This might have a bearing on
how the document is displayed.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 11:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi everyone,

I am using JAWS 16 on a Windows 10 machine. Very often, JAWS reads
several words together in a PDF document, which makes it impossible to
figure out what it is saying. Is there a way to fix this, except by
way of converting the document into word?

Best,
Rahul










moderated Re: Jaws losing focus

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

I think it very much depends on the computer. I just set up 4 PC's at my store with Windows 10, 2 were new HP Elite Mini Business PC's which came with Windows 7 preinstalled via downgrade rights, but in any case, I replace their 500MB conventional hard drives with SSD's, the other 2 were Intel NUC mini PC's also with SSD's. Anyhow, I did complete clean installs of Windows 10 including deleting the partitions and recreating them and all of these systems go straight to the desktop after I put in my password and Jaws loads.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws losing focus

Hi Val,

Actually, if you boot up to Windows then immediately press JAWS key and T, you get Lost Focus, so I believe Dan is wrong in this. If you press any key after boot up, then focus is sometimes regained.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: 13 April 2018 14:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws losing focus

Hi Dan!

I have unactivatated in the verbosity menue the button which gives out that message, and everything seems to be fine.

This system is only a few months old.

Thanks.


Val.


On 13/04/2018 14:20, Dan Longmore wrote:
This should not occur at start up. Sometimes JAWS loses focus after working with one window and shifting to another but at start up is unusual in my opinion unless you have older system or programs that take long time to load. Also, JAWS is good at losing focus while working.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 11:18 PM
To: main <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Jaws losing focus

Hi Everyone!

Hope someone can help!

Everyone time i turn on my computer after the start up, Jaws keeps anouncing "Losing focus"

Is there any way this can be rectified?


Val.








moderated Re: JAWS voices

Maria Campbell
 

Get rid of Eloquence?  Oh please! never!


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 4/15/2018 12:20 PM, Andrew Diederick wrote:
Hello all:
Thank you for the information. I was afraid that everything would have to be done one word at a time. I am not going to correct thousands of words in the jaws dictionary for a vocalizer voice. I hope the makers at freedom scientific never get rid of eloquence.
On Apr 15, 2018, at 9:05 AM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:

Hi, Mario. What I am saying is that, even if you put the same entries into the dictionary of the Vocalizer voices as they were in the Elequence voice, they won't be pronounced the same way as they were in Eloquence. This is because the Vocalizer voices pronounce the same groups of letters differently from the way Eloquence pronounces the same groups of letters.

I wasn't saying that there aren't pronunciation dictionaries for the Vocalizer voices, only that you will need to find completely different spellings to make the Vocalizer voices pronounce words the same way they were pronounced with Eloquence.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS voices

oh yes there is.

start the dictionary manager,
press control+shift+d if you want the changes to apply to all programs
you decide to use,
press tab to skip past the add button,
if the entry you want to "transfer" is in a language folder, arrow to it
and press right arrow to reveal it's entries.),
arrow to the entry you want to transfer,
note that there maybe entries that apply to all languages, which are not
found in any language folder but at the bottom of this list.

tab to and space bar on the change button or just press alt+c,
tab until you get to a language combo box or just press alt+l.
from here, you can make the appropriate changes including the next 2, 3,
or 4 combo boxes by subsequently tabbing to them and making the
appropriate choice,
and finally space barring on the ok button.

unfortunately, I know of no way to "transfer" a group of
words/pronunciations at one shot. it looks like you'll have to do each
one by one. tedious to say the least.

I hope this is what is wanted. good luck.
-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...]
Sent: Sunday, Apr 15, 2018 12:54 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS voices

I don't think it is possible to transfer the Eloquence pronunciation
dictionaries to the Vocalizer engine.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew
Diederick
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 9:28 PM
To: main
Subject: JAWS voices

Hello All,

I have been a jaws user for almost 15 years now. I like the
vocalizer voices but do not care for their pronunciation. It is not
the same as eloquence. That is the only thing that stops me from using
the vocalizer voices. Does anyone know how to transfer the complete
pronunciation dictionary from eloquence to a vocalizer voice? -Andrew-









.










moderated Re: Jaws losing focus

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

How do you turn it off?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws losing focus

Hi, Val. Here's what I do concerning the Lost Focus message. I turn it on for specific applications. I have it off for the Windows configuration, which is what loads when the system first boots up. I keep the Lost Focus message on for any application that requires editing, such as Notepad, Word, Wordpad, HJPad, Outlook, Internet Explorer, etc. This way, if I'm attempting to stay in an edit field, and the window loses focus, I won't waste my time typing into a non-focused window without an edit field.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws losing focus

Exactly. You don't even need the message, because you know it loses focus every time you boot up.

But it is a personal choice, if you like extra babble, leave it on.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Walls
Sent: 13 April 2018 16:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws losing focus

Val, don't worry about the lack of focus message. My JAWS gives the same message when I turn on the computer and I just press my shortcut keys to open my email and go into Word.

Have a happy day.

Don


moderated Re: Making The Use Of Both Hands When Navigating With Jaws To Make A Similar Experience Like Voiceover On The Mac

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Hi Owais,

I think you are over complicating this. I would just get a Windows PC or laptop and start using it, learn as you go. There is no point in reading 3 books trying to remember everything so, as you say, you "know the OS inside out" when afterwards you only use 30% of all that stuff. Maybe you are somebody who can remember everything you read and later recall and apply it, I am not that person, I find it much easier to just use it and then if I need to do something which I don't know I can find out by trying or asking and then I am more likely to remember it. I doubt Windows is more messy than OSX and on nice thing is that there are many way sto do something in Windows. Especially Windows 10 now I find is quite easy to use, you have two main areas where you ca go to make changes to all sorts of settings and that is either the main Settings app or the old Control Panel which still exists. Otherwise if you know where the Windows key is and you know about Tab, Alt+Tab, Alt+F4 to close things and the arrow keys you are already well able to do things.
For us blind folks there is of course the additional learning curve for the screenreader and I would say that is probably the larger learning curve. You will need to know how to navigate with Jaws, but Jaws has a very good set of help files and other resources online. I am not sure what kind of computer user you are, if you plan to buy a laptop and are often mobile where you want to rely using the laptop's keyboard which may not have a numeric pad you should probably learn how to use Jaws with the laptop keyboard layout. But if not or if your laptop has a numeric pad (I would never buy one that doesn't) than do yourself a favour and use the desktop layout which uses the numeric pad for almost all things Jaws. The 0/insert key on the numeric pad is the Jaws key, the NumPad minus is the Jaws cursor key and the NumPad Plus is the PC cursor key, double pressing it twice quickly turns on th eso-called Touch cursor which in Windows 10 can be quite useful as the Jaws cursor often does not see as much information as it used to. As I said, don't over-think this, if you are an experienced computer user it's not that difficult.


Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 6:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Making The Use Of Both Hands When Navigating With Jaws To Make A Similar Experience Like Voiceover On The Mac

On 4/15/2018 4:07 AM, Owais Patel wrote:
The one thing I love about MacO is although there is interacting everything is really organized therefore the operating system itself isn't too messy. I find Windows really messy because there are different things when you use the Tabkey to navigate and when you use the Arrow keys.
That is my Number One complaint about VoiceOver. Sometimes TAB takes you through all the fields in a dialog, sometimes VoiceOver+Right-Arrow will do it. The point is that the user must try both, there is no one hundred percent sure way of knowing which way is the correct way. In Windows, there's only one way--the TAB key. I am not saying there should not be more than one way to do something, but if there is, make those two ways functionally equal. Don't skip anything.


moderated Re: JAWS voices

Andrew Diederick
 

Hello all:
Thank you for the information. I was afraid that everything would have to be done one word at a time. I am not going to correct thousands of words in the jaws dictionary for a vocalizer voice. I hope the makers at freedom scientific never get rid of eloquence.

On Apr 15, 2018, at 9:05 AM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:

Hi, Mario. What I am saying is that, even if you put the same entries into the dictionary of the Vocalizer voices as they were in the Elequence voice, they won't be pronounced the same way as they were in Eloquence. This is because the Vocalizer voices pronounce the same groups of letters differently from the way Eloquence pronounces the same groups of letters.

I wasn't saying that there aren't pronunciation dictionaries for the Vocalizer voices, only that you will need to find completely different spellings to make the Vocalizer voices pronounce words the same way they were pronounced with Eloquence.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS voices

oh yes there is.

start the dictionary manager,
press control+shift+d if you want the changes to apply to all programs
you decide to use,
press tab to skip past the add button,
if the entry you want to "transfer" is in a language folder, arrow to it
and press right arrow to reveal it's entries.),
arrow to the entry you want to transfer,
note that there maybe entries that apply to all languages, which are not
found in any language folder but at the bottom of this list.

tab to and space bar on the change button or just press alt+c,
tab until you get to a language combo box or just press alt+l.
from here, you can make the appropriate changes including the next 2, 3,
or 4 combo boxes by subsequently tabbing to them and making the
appropriate choice,
and finally space barring on the ok button.

unfortunately, I know of no way to "transfer" a group of
words/pronunciations at one shot. it looks like you'll have to do each
one by one. tedious to say the least.

I hope this is what is wanted. good luck.
-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...]
Sent: Sunday, Apr 15, 2018 12:54 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS voices

I don't think it is possible to transfer the Eloquence pronunciation
dictionaries to the Vocalizer engine.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew
Diederick
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 9:28 PM
To: main
Subject: JAWS voices

Hello All,

I have been a jaws user for almost 15 years now. I like the
vocalizer voices but do not care for their pronunciation. It is not
the same as eloquence. That is the only thing that stops me from using
the vocalizer voices. Does anyone know how to transfer the complete
pronunciation dictionary from eloquence to a vocalizer voice? -Andrew-









.










moderated Re: JAWS voices

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Mario. What I am saying is that, even if you put the same entries into the dictionary of the Vocalizer voices as they were in the Elequence voice, they won't be pronounced the same way as they were in Eloquence. This is because the Vocalizer voices pronounce the same groups of letters differently from the way Eloquence pronounces the same groups of letters.

I wasn't saying that there aren't pronunciation dictionaries for the Vocalizer voices, only that you will need to find completely different spellings to make the Vocalizer voices pronounce words the same way they were pronounced with Eloquence.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS voices

oh yes there is.

start the dictionary manager,
press control+shift+d if you want the changes to apply to all programs
you decide to use,
press tab to skip past the add button,
if the entry you want to "transfer" is in a language folder, arrow to it
and press right arrow to reveal it's entries.),
arrow to the entry you want to transfer,
note that there maybe entries that apply to all languages, which are not
found in any language folder but at the bottom of this list.

tab to and space bar on the change button or just press alt+c,
tab until you get to a language combo box or just press alt+l.
from here, you can make the appropriate changes including the next 2, 3,
or 4 combo boxes by subsequently tabbing to them and making the
appropriate choice,
and finally space barring on the ok button.

unfortunately, I know of no way to "transfer" a group of
words/pronunciations at one shot. it looks like you'll have to do each
one by one. tedious to say the least.

I hope this is what is wanted. good luck.
-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...]
Sent: Sunday, Apr 15, 2018 12:54 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS voices

I don't think it is possible to transfer the Eloquence pronunciation
dictionaries to the Vocalizer engine.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew
Diederick
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 9:28 PM
To: main
Subject: JAWS voices

Hello All,

I have been a jaws user for almost 15 years now. I like the
vocalizer voices but do not care for their pronunciation. It is not
the same as eloquence. That is the only thing that stops me from using
the vocalizer voices. Does anyone know how to transfer the complete
pronunciation dictionary from eloquence to a vocalizer voice? -Andrew-









.


moderated Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Hi,

Sometimes changing the reading order in the PDF will help with Jaws reading words together. Press CTRL + K to go to Adobe Reader Preferences, press the letter R till you hear “Reading”, and then tab once into the reading order. Your choices here are something like, “Infer reading order from document”, “Left to right, top to bottom”, and “Raw print Stream”. Try change to one of these to see if it helps by arrowing up or down and then pressing enter on the one you want.

HTH

Russell

On Apr 14, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2@...> wrote:

Hello Tom and everyone,

We have also observed this same phenomenon. Perhaps VFO should take a look at this issue to determine if Jaws or the formatting of the PDF document causes this to happen.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 3:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Ok, Mario.

Will take a look.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 3:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

I think in the file ribbon there is an open tab. press enter and find a browse choice (not sure if it's a button, link or what). then you'll get the familiar open dialog we long time users are accustomed to.



-------- Original Message --------
From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@...]
Sent: Saturday, Apr 14, 2018 3:05 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

How exactly do you do this in Word?

I have Office 2016, and would like to try it the next time I get a PDF file I need to convert.

Dr. tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 12:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Yes, Word 2016 can open pdf files.
That is the easiest way to convert them to word.
But, if it is a large document, it can take time.

I don't know if the original poster has Office 2016.
I am not sure if Office 2013 could do that as I went from Word 2003 to Word 2016 wit an Office 365 subscription.

Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 8:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

to anyone who knows, I could be wrong, but I remember someone mentioning that Word 2016 can open PDF files?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Rahul Bajaj [mailto:rahul.bajaj1038@...]
Sent: Saturday, Apr 14, 2018 10:07 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

I think the sighted are able to read it fine. Converting it into word is very time-consuming. Is there no other solution?

On 14/04/2018, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:
My experience with PDF documents is that sometimes, while visually they may look fine, a screen reader will put words together.
Then again, sometimes they are just run together in the PDF.
Try bringing it into Word and see if that helps.
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 14, 2018, at 2:27 AM, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038@...<mailto:rahul.bajaj1038@...>> wrote:

Hi, the former - using it with Acrobat reader. it is a searchable pdf.

On 14/04/2018, Bill White
<billwhite92701@...<mailto:billwhite92701@...>>
wrote:
Hi, Rahul. How are you rendering the pdf document? are you using Acrobat Reader DC, or are you using the OCR recognition feature of JAWS to render the document into text? This might have a bearing on how the document is displayed.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...<mailto:billwhite92701@...>

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 11:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi everyone,

I am using JAWS 16 on a Windows 10 machine. Very often, JAWS reads several words together in a PDF document, which makes it impossible to figure out what it is saying. Is there a way to fix this, except by way of converting the document into word?

Best,
Rahul

















.












.













moderated Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Steve,
I'm not sure that is any more direct than opening it in Adobe and using the OCR keystrokes.
I knew one could do that, but I thought the person was wanting a way to do it from Adobe.
I learned from Ann that the OCR was available at least as far back as Jaws 16.
As you know, Im fairly new to using Jaws ...

Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi Richard,

You can already force it.

Simply find your PDF file in explorer, press the applications key and select Recognise With JAWS.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 14 April 2018 16:31
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Tom, it is not designed to do that because if it is not a scanned image, it shouldn't require OCR.
If you want to try the scan, you will have to envoke it with the keystrokes.
I suppose someone could write a script to force it, but that could bring some unintended problems and slow things down if it is a large PDF.
But, what do I know, I've only really used Jaws since they killed Window-Eyes.

HTH,
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 8:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Bill:

Regarding "recognize with Jaws", I have found that sometimes, if the file is a scanned image file, recognize with Jaws will come up automatically.

In other cases, like the one we are dealing with here, this does not seem to happen.

Does anyone know of a way to get "Recognize With Jaws" to come up automatically for all PDF Documents?

Once again, I'm using the latest build of Jaws 2018 here on this Windows 7 machine.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

If you have JAWS 2018, try highlighting the PDF, press either the Applications key or SHIFT plus F10, arrow down to recognize with JAWS, and press ENTER. Wait for a few minutes, and your document should be rendered and readable.

To save the document, open Word, notepad or some other program which will save text, paste from the clipboard into the program, and save. This often gives better results than Acrobat Reader DC.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 2:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi, the former - using it with Acrobat reader. it is a searchable pdf.

On 14/04/2018, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:
Hi, Rahul. How are you rendering the pdf document? are you using
Acrobat Reader DC, or are you using the OCR recognition feature of
JAWS to render the document into text? This might have a bearing on
how the document is displayed.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 11:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi everyone,

I am using JAWS 16 on a Windows 10 machine. Very often, JAWS reads
several words together in a PDF document, which makes it impossible to
figure out what it is saying. Is there a way to fix this, except by
way of converting the document into word?

Best,
Rahul










moderated Re: Jaws losing focus

Mario
 

yes, but I think it saves frustration if it wasn't. anyway, I don't
understand what's the big deal? it doesn't hurt anything to leave it on,
does it?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Steve Nutt [mailto:steve@...]
Sent: Sunday, Apr 15, 2018 11:23 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws losing focus

Hi,

You don't need it on, if you're an experienced JAWS user, because you
type, then check. If JAWS loses focus, it will speak the newly
activated window usually. It never loses focus completely when you're
in an app in my experience.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: 13 April 2018 15:22
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws losing focus

I would think it would be helpful to leave the announcement on because,
say, you're typing away on a reply to an email and suddenly JAWS looses
focus on the window where you're typing a reply. if the announcement is
turned off, much of what you typed might not make it into the reply (or
whatever you're doing). apply a similar situation to typing a letter in
Word or a note in Notepad, etc.



-------- Original Message --------
From: Val Paul [mailto:vpcara79@...]
Sent: Friday, Apr 13, 2018 9:38 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws losing focus

Hi Dan!

I have unactivatated in the verbosity menue the button which gives out
that message, and everything seems to be fine.

This system is only a few months old.

Thanks.


Val.


On 13/04/2018 14:20, Dan Longmore wrote:
This should not occur at start up. Sometimes JAWS loses focus after
working with one window and shifting to another but at start up is
unusual in my opinion unless you have older system or programs that take
long time to load. Also, JAWS is good at losing focus while working.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 11:18 PM
To: main <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Jaws losing focus

Hi Everyone!

Hope someone can help!

Everyone time i turn on my computer after the start up, Jaws keeps
anouncing "Losing focus"

Is there any way this can be rectified?


Val.












.










.


moderated Re: JAWS voices

Mario
 

oh yes there is.

start the dictionary manager,
press control+shift+d if you want the changes to apply to all programs
you decide to use,
press tab to skip past the add button,
if the entry you want to "transfer" is in a language folder, arrow to it
and press right arrow to reveal it's entries.),
arrow to the entry you want to transfer,
note that there maybe entries that apply to all languages, which are not
found in any language folder but at the bottom of this list.

tab to and space bar on the change button or just press alt+c,
tab until you get to a language combo box or just press alt+l.
from here, you can make the appropriate changes including the next 2, 3,
or 4 combo boxes by subsequently tabbing to them and making the
appropriate choice,
and finally space barring on the ok button.

unfortunately, I know of no way to "transfer" a group of
words/pronunciations at one shot. it looks like you'll have to do each
one by one. tedious to say the least.

I hope this is what is wanted. good luck.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...]
Sent: Sunday, Apr 15, 2018 12:54 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS voices

I don't think it is possible to transfer the Eloquence pronunciation
dictionaries to the Vocalizer engine.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew
Diederick
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 9:28 PM
To: main
Subject: JAWS voices

Hello All,

I have been a jaws user for almost 15 years now. I like the
vocalizer voices but do not care for their pronunciation. It is not
the same as eloquence. That is the only thing that stops me from using
the vocalizer voices. Does anyone know how to transfer the complete
pronunciation dictionary from eloquence to a vocalizer voice? -Andrew-









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