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Re: PDF Editing and Jaws

Jonas Voll
 

What are you trying to edit, I think you need to pay for Adobe to edit PDF's!


Jonas Voll
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Envision, Inc.
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Wichita, KS 67213
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F: 316-267-4312
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Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration for the blind and visually impaired through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shivaji Kumar
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 12:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: PDF Editing and Jaws

Dear all,

Has anyone edited PDFs using Jaws?

I am trying to edit PDFs with Acrobat Pro DC using Jaws 16 and it does not work. Acrobat Pro DC has functionality to edit PDFs.

Please let me know if anyone has had better luck doing so. Even better, if they tell me how to do it or point to some useful resources.

Thanks

Shiv

--
Twitter handle
@ShivKumar140

My Blog
https://digitalaccess365.wordpress.com/

Webpage www.linkedin.com/pub/shivaji-kumar/35/a73/11a/en




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Re: Scripts for iTunes

Lynne Moore
 

Hello Everyone,
Thanks for your help.  I really appreciate it.
Lynne Moore
 

Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: Scripts for iTunes
 

I don’t think John Martin’s scripts are even available any more, all of his projects have all been adandoned.

Leasey does contain scripts for iTunes which do help with a few things, you can go to Leasey Central to read about these scripts, they are very comprehensive scripts with a ton of features, also not cheap, but the price has come down and I believe he may offer a payment plan.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 8:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Scripts for iTunes

 

Last version from John Martyn was 6.something.

 

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Lynne Moore

Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 02:17

Subject: Scripts for iTunes

 

Hi Everyone,

I was wondering if anyone knows where I can get JAWS scripts for iTunes.  Anything I find is older and no longer available.  Thanks for any help.

Lynne Moore


Re: Braille Displays and Multiple Languages/Character Sets

Gudrun Brunot
 

Hi Bill: In most cases, a Perkins style approach is the norm, but in situations where the character must be entered with an ASCII string, you do need to use the ASCII value to get the correct character. Even though I have a Focus Blue 80-cell display with braille input capability, I find it much faster to either switch my desktop keyboard layout or go into the ASCII entry mode by using the numlock on/off switch and entering the 4-digit value for the character, e.g. alt-0233 for E with acute accent. Hunting around for the same character within the Braillenote settings is more cumbersome.

Best wishes,



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Tessore
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 8:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Braille Displays and Multiple Languages/Character Sets

Hi Brian, I have limited refreshable braille display experience, but unless such a device has a Quirty style keyboard, then your question is asked amiss. With refreshable braille devices what you’re asking about would be determined by the “braille language” chosen from within the device’s braille settings menu. And that because most such devices use a Perkins style keyboard, which emulates the Perkins manual brailler. This, coupled with the user’s familiarity of that braille language’s rules of use determine how text is entered, formatted, and read. I hope this makes sense and is helpful.
Shalom,
Bill Tessore
billtessore@gmail.com


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 5, 2018, at 3:59 PM, Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io> wrote:



All commercially available braille displays that I’m aware of can present text in any language supported by the screen reader. The braille display doesn’t handle the different braille codes; the screen reader does so, then sends a dot pattern to the display. Likewise, the input keys on the braille display are read, and interpreted, by the screen reader itself. The braille display is language-independent in so far as its interactions with the screen reader are concerned.



Thus, choosing a braille display is independent of which languages are to be used.



Assuming that the user in question plans to use JAWS (and you’re asking on a JAWS list, after all), then the next question is whether JAWS offers translation tables for the desired languages. To find out, look in the translation table settings.



If different character sets are to be used, it may be necessary to switch between two different translation tables. JAWS appears to support this; on the Focus 40 Blue display that I’m using here, it’s assigned to dots 2-3-4-5-7 chord. I haven’t experimented with the feature, however.



As to keyboard layout, you can configure this in the operating system, so you shouldn’t need to obtain a new or different physical keyboard, unless there’s a specific reason for preferring a physical keyboard that has slightly different keys on it (for a different language/country).



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 6:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Braille Displays and Multiple Languages/Character Sets



This message may be considered off-topic, but there is really nowhere in particular where I can try to engage those who’ve “been there, done that” (or may be there doing that) with this topic. If the moderator believes this should not be further discussed on the group, then please post with that request. I am happy to receive input either on the group or via private message or e-mail.

I may soon be taking on some contract work where one of the questions is what braille display would be best suited for use with foreign (non-English) characters both from an input and output perspective. Since I am sighted and monolingual this particular need is something that’s entirely in the abstract for me. This is definitely a time where input from those who have already encountered this need and tried things out would be invaluable.

I would also be curious as to whether those who are dealing with multiple languages where non-English-language character sets are being used have found it useful to use a language-specific keyboard. It certainly makes text entry easier but only if you are able to familiarize yourself with the layout on said keyboard and get as comfortable with it as the keyboard you typically use. I know that these are available as replacements on laptops so I’d have to presume that the external USB keyboard equivalent is available as well.

Also, if you as a multi-language computer user are willing to be a part of an “e-mail circle” about this please let me know. This is a time where more input, and possibly conflicting input, is a very good thing provided you can describe how you’ve arrived at your conclusions. It would be great to be the proverbial "fly on the wall" while those with long experience with this need discuss their experiences with each other. This may or may not happen, but I thought I'd ask.

--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1709, Build 16299 (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)


If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind. ~ Irving Becker


PDF Editing and Jaws

Shivaji Kumar
 

Dear all,

Has anyone edited PDFs using Jaws?

I am trying to edit PDFs with Acrobat Pro DC using Jaws 16 and it does
not work. Acrobat Pro DC has functionality to edit PDFs.

Please let me know if anyone has had better luck doing so. Even
better, if they tell me how to do it or point to some useful
resources.

Thanks

Shiv

--
Twitter handle
@ShivKumar140

My Blog
https://digitalaccess365.wordpress.com/

Webpage www.linkedin.com/pub/shivaji-kumar/35/a73/11a/en


Re: Braille Displays and Multiple Languages/Character Sets

Bill Tessore
 

Hi Brian, I have limited refreshable braille display experience, but unless such a device has a Quirty style keyboard, then your question is asked amiss. With refreshable braille devices what you’re asking about would be determined by the “braille language” chosen from within the device’s braille settings menu. And that because most such devices use a Perkins style keyboard, which emulates the Perkins manual brailler. This, coupled with the user’s familiarity of that braille language’s rules of use determine how text is entered, formatted,  and read. I hope this makes sense and is helpful.
Shalom,
Bill Tessore


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 5, 2018, at 3:59 PM, Jason White via Groups.Io <jason@...> wrote:

All commercially available braille displays that I’m aware of can present text in any language supported by the screen reader. The braille display doesn’t handle the different braille codes; the screen reader does so, then sends a dot pattern to the display. Likewise, the input keys on the braille display are read, and interpreted, by the screen reader itself. The braille display is language-independent in so far as its interactions with the screen reader are concerned.

 

Thus, choosing a braille display is independent of which languages are to be used.

 

Assuming that the user in question plans to use JAWS (and you’re asking on a JAWS list, after all), then the next question is whether JAWS offers translation tables for the desired languages. To find out, look in the translation table settings.

 

If different character sets are to be used, it may be necessary to switch between two different translation tables. JAWS appears to support this; on the Focus 40 Blue display that I’m using here, it’s assigned to dots 2-3-4-5-7 chord. I haven’t experimented with the feature, however.

 

As to keyboard layout, you can configure this in the operating system, so you shouldn’t need to obtain a new or different physical keyboard, unless there’s a specific reason for preferring a physical keyboard that has slightly different keys on it (for a different language/country).

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 6:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Braille Displays and Multiple Languages/Character Sets

 

This message may be considered off-topic, but there is really nowhere in particular where I can try to engage those who’ve “been there, done that” (or may be there doing that) with this topic.  If the moderator believes this should not be further discussed on the group, then please post with that request.  I am happy to receive input either on the group or via private message or e-mail.

I may soon be taking on some contract work where one of the questions is what braille display would be best suited for use with foreign (non-English) characters both from an input and output perspective.  Since I am sighted and monolingual this particular need is something that’s entirely in the abstract for me.   This is definitely a time where input from those who have already encountered this need and tried things out would be invaluable.

I would also be curious as to whether those who are dealing with multiple languages where non-English-language character sets are being used have found it useful to use a language-specific keyboard.  It certainly makes text entry easier but only if you are able to familiarize yourself with the layout on said keyboard and get as comfortable with it as the keyboard you typically use.  I know that these are available as replacements on laptops so I’d have to presume that the external USB keyboard equivalent is available as well.

Also, if you as a multi-language computer user are willing to be a part of an “e-mail circle” about this please let me know.   This is a time where more input, and possibly conflicting input, is a very good thing provided you can describe how you’ve arrived at your conclusions.  It would be great to be the proverbial "fly on the wall" while those with long experience with this need discuss their experiences with each other.   This may or may not happen, but I thought I'd ask.

--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1709, Build 16299  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

 
If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind.     ~ Irving Becker


Re: Scripts for iTunes

 

I don’t think John Martin’s scripts are even available any more, all of his projects have all been adandoned.

Leasey does contain scripts for iTunes which do help with a few things, you can go to Leasey Central to read about these scripts, they are very comprehensive scripts with a ton of features, also not cheap, but the price has come down and I believe he may offer a payment plan.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 8:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Scripts for iTunes

 

Last version from John Martyn was 6.something.

 

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Lynne Moore

Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 02:17

Subject: Scripts for iTunes

 

Hi Everyone,

I was wondering if anyone knows where I can get JAWS scripts for iTunes.  Anything I find is older and no longer available.  Thanks for any help.

Lynne Moore


Re: scanning with pearl camera

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

Insert+Space, then O, then A, you can select your scanner source.  Thentab over to Advanced if you want more settings.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gery Gaubert
Sent: 05 January 2018 18:03
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: scanning with pearl camera

 

I have a pearl camera and was trying the convenient ocr feature.  The scan seems to take forever.  I also read where you can change settings for the camera but can’t seem to find where to make the changes in jfw.


Re: OCR

Steve Nutt
 

No, you mean Insert+Space bar, then O, then A.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Douglas C. DeCamp
Sent: 05 January 2018 15:46
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OCR

 

I think some clarification is needed here. Jaws 2018 can perform OCR on a paper document from either a PURL camera or a flatbed scanner (I have & use both).  The Insert+space bar+a will bring up the selection list to select the device to obtain the document from and will then OCR the resulting  document.  This works quite well and is very handy.

  • Hth ---

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marianne Denning
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OCR

 

You can purchase the Purl camera for $295.00 and then you can do what you want. I don't think a flat bed scanner would work but it might be possible.


--

Marianne Denning, TVI, MA

Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired

(513) 607-6053


Re: OCR

Steve Nutt
 

Yep it will.  Where is this misconception coming from?

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marianne Denning
Sent: 05 January 2018 15:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OCR

 

You can purchase the Purl camera for $295.00 and then you can do what you want. I don't think a flat bed scanner would work but it might be possible.


--

Marianne Denning, TVI, MA

Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired

(513) 607-6053


Re: OCR

Steve Nutt
 

Yes, it can.  See my previous message.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Furness
Sent: 05 January 2018 15:25
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OCR

 

I have a flat bed scanner and thought the Jaws OCR program  could scan a paper document. I did it once, so I believe OR the change in medication is playing a trick in my head.

 

Thankyou  for your response, it explains a lot!!!

 

Mark F.

 

From: Bill White
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 10:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OCR

 

JAWS 2018 cannot scan or read paper documents. It can only scan and read files such as pdf, mpeg or other picture files. Hardware of some type is needed such as a scanner or an all-in-one printer to scan paper documents.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Furness
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 7:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: OCR

 

What are the instructions to have Jaws 2018 scan paper documents, or what is the link to read them?

 

 


Re: OCR

Steve Nutt
 

Sorry, this is incorrect.

 

JAWS 2018 can use a flatbed scanner to scan paper documents.  If you press JAWS Key+Space, then O, then A for Acquire, you will be pleasantly surprised.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 05 January 2018 15:14
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OCR

 

JAWS 2018 cannot scan or read paper documents. It can only scan and read files such as pdf, mpeg or other picture files. Hardware of some type is needed such as a scanner or an all-in-one printer to scan paper documents.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Furness
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 7:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: OCR

 

What are the instructions to have Jaws 2018 scan paper documents, or what is the link to read them?

 


Re: jaws/capslock key;

Owais Patel <owaisipatel@...>
 

Hello. That worked. Thanks.

Sincerely,
Owais

On Jan 6, 2018, at 9:03 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
No, you don't need to remap anything.
Go to where it says "keyboard layout," and select "laptop layout."
There you go.
You're all set.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Owais
Patel
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws/capslock key;

Hi there. I'm Owais. I use Bootcamp through Jaws to load Windows and
everything works good except the CapsLock. The fix is to use a remapping
program like SharpKeys. I'm just not sure how to set it up. I just need
some assistance on how to do this. There are Videos for this on NouTube but
still I need assistance in which a Blind user could understand. Thans.
Sincerely,
Owais

On Jan 5, 2018, at 1:58 PM, John Covici <covici@ccs.covici.com> wrote:

How are using windows -- by vmware fusion, bootcamp or what?

On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 12:14:08 -0500,
david wrote:

[1 <text/plain; us-ascii (7bit)>]
[2 <text/html; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>] does anyone know how to
get a jaws/capslock key to work on a mac book?

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com








Re: Scripts for iTunes

Alan Robbins
 

Actually, iTunes works pretty decent, for iTunes that is, with no scripts other than what VFO has built into the native JAWS

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 11:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Scripts for iTunes

 

Last version from John Martyn was 6.something.

 

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 02:17

Subject: Scripts for iTunes

 

Hi Everyone,

I was wondering if anyone knows where I can get JAWS scripts for iTunes.  Anything I find is older and no longer available.  Thanks for any help.

Lynne Moore


Re: Scripts for iTunes

Dave...
 

Last version from John Martyn was 6.something.
 
Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 02:17
Subject: Scripts for iTunes

Hi Everyone,
I was wondering if anyone knows where I can get JAWS scripts for iTunes.  Anything I find is older and no longer available.  Thanks for any help.
Lynne Moore


Re: IE & JAWS download

Richard Turner
 

Because IE hasn't been updated in a coon's age.

I useFirefox or Chrome any more since IE is a error ridden piece of software these days.

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew Summers via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 7:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: IE & JAWS download

Hello,
Please can someone answer why I download JAWS 2018 from the JAWS website
using IE and then run the file , I get unknown publisher, but not with
Google chrome.

Andrew


IE & JAWS download

Andrew Summers
 

Hello,
Please can someone answer why I download JAWS 2018 from the JAWS website using IE and then run the file , I get unknown publisher, but not with Google chrome.

Andrew


Re: trouble installing Fusion 11

Paul Hunt <prhunt1@...>
 

Hello Jessica. This happened because Fusion 11 doesn’t install JAWS 2018. Just install JAWS 2018. Fusion 11 will recognize JAWS 2018. VFO will release a fusion update to get everything in synch.
Paul 

On Jan 6, 2018, at 8:27 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:

Hi,

I had to reinstall Windows from scratch last night.

 

As a result, I lost everything, but that’s ok, because I had a lot on here.

 

My issue is, prior to the reinstall, I had access to Jaws 2018, through ZoomText fusion 11, but when I tried to install it today, I got jaws 18 instead.

 

What do I do?

 

I’m using NVDA 2017.4 at the moment.

Thanks for any help and/or advice you can provide,

Jessica

 


Scripts for iTunes

Lynne Moore
 

Hi Everyone,
I was wondering if anyone knows where I can get JAWS scripts for iTunes.  Anything I find is older and no longer available.  Thanks for any help.
Lynne Moore


trouble installing Fusion 11

Jessica D <jldail13@...>
 

Hi,

I had to reinstall Windows from scratch last night.

 

As a result, I lost everything, but that’s ok, because I had a lot on here.

 

My issue is, prior to the reinstall, I had access to Jaws 2018, through ZoomText fusion 11, but when I tried to install it today, I got jaws 18 instead.

 

What do I do?

 

I’m using NVDA 2017.4 at the moment.

Thanks for any help and/or advice you can provide,

Jessica

 


Re: Braille Displays and Multiple Languages/Character Sets

Gudrun Brunot
 

I take your point, Jason. We have at least three main options of use: 1. Braille display as screen reader display; 2. Used as a braille device only for notetaking, calendar entries, phone lists, etc., and 3. As a smart device. I was writing from the perspective of option 2. I do also use braille with my smart phone and my computers, but mainly as part of screenreading.What I am especially interested in is option 3 and how easy it would be to switch input language/braille table, output braille, and what speech synthesizer options might be available.

Best,



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 10:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Braille Displays and Multiple Languages/Character Sets

To clarify, I was referring to braille displays used in combination with a screen reader, not to the internal functions (e.g., editing or note taking capabilities) that some of them offer. If you also need those functions to be effective in a multilingual setting, then you need to be sure that the software running on the device itself supports both (or all) of the required languages. This includes translation and back translation features.

On the other hand, if you're just using the display in combination with a screen reader, then all of the language-specific functionality resides in the screen reader itself. The braille display simply forwards braille input and accepts data representing dot combinations from the host computer.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun Brunot
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 9:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Braille Displays and Multiple Languages/Character Sets

Hi Jason: Actually, I don't totally agree. Sure, you can type on your braille device whatever symbols you want and, as long as you're reading in context, you can read them the same way you could if they were on a piece of paper. But if you need them to also be correct in a print situation, it gets hairy. The Braillenote family is not particularly supple when it comes to braille foreign characters. I have asked HumanWare if it couldn't be possible to have a custom determined keyboard, so you could type dots 1-6, for example, and decide whether you want to hear "a circle," or the corresponding phoneme, (a sound similar to the Italian O), or "a circumflex" or "au" which would make sense for German abridged braille.

You're right in as much as you can type a symbol and set language in Braillenote, but only the main ones. What I mean is: Braillenote allows you only to be language-specific (if you select one of the four big ones). But if you want it to be character-specific, you'd have more trouble. I actually managed to set my Braillenote PK so I could load a file in Swedish and read it (no speech) with the correct Swedish braille symbols for the diacritic marks to pop up as I read. It was hard, though, and Humanware reps weren't quite sure how to advise about it. Now, I never will dare to change anything in my Braillenote PK settings, for it was so entangled to get the Swedish characters to show. On a desktop PC, you can set the keyboard layout under settings, keyboard, International (I think) and decide whether you want English and Swedish keyboards as active alternatives, or several keyboards. Chances are that if you grew up in France, you'll know the French keyboard layout, for example, so being able to switch between English and French is a real help. For me, if I need to type French, I use the alt and the ASCII combinations--this is faster, since I did not grow up using the French typing keyboard. Sure, Eloquence may still speak whatever you are reading with English speech rules for your desktop work, but you can live with that for certain situations quite fine as long as you can read the right braille symbol under your fingers and be sure you have the correct symbol in your document, especially if you're going to share it with a visually equipped person

I have done some quiet research on this subject, but not been able to find really clear indications about it.

Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2018 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Braille Displays and Multiple Languages/Character Sets

All commercially available braille displays that I’m aware of can present text in any language supported by the screen reader. The braille display doesn’t handle the different braille codes; the screen reader does so, then sends a dot pattern to the display. Likewise, the input keys on the braille display are read, and interpreted, by the screen reader itself. The braille display is language-independent in so far as its interactions with the screen reader are concerned.



Thus, choosing a braille display is independent of which languages are to be used.



Assuming that the user in question plans to use JAWS (and you’re asking on a JAWS list, after all), then the next question is whether JAWS offers translation tables for the desired languages. To find out, look in the translation table settings.



If different character sets are to be used, it may be necessary to switch between two different translation tables. JAWS appears to support this; on the Focus 40 Blue display that I’m using here, it’s assigned to dots 2-3-4-5-7 chord. I haven’t experimented with the feature, however.



As to keyboard layout, you can configure this in the operating system, so you shouldn’t need to obtain a new or different physical keyboard, unless there’s a specific reason for preferring a physical keyboard that has slightly different keys on it (for a different language/country).



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 6:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Braille Displays and Multiple Languages/Character Sets



This message may be considered off-topic, but there is really nowhere in particular where I can try to engage those who’ve “been there, done that” (or may be there doing that) with this topic. If the moderator believes this should not be further discussed on the group, then please post with that request. I am happy to receive input either on the group or via private message or e-mail.

I may soon be taking on some contract work where one of the questions is what braille display would be best suited for use with foreign (non-English) characters both from an input and output perspective. Since I am sighted and monolingual this particular need is something that’s entirely in the abstract for me. This is definitely a time where input from those who have already encountered this need and tried things out would be invaluable.

I would also be curious as to whether those who are dealing with multiple languages where non-English-language character sets are being used have found it useful to use a language-specific keyboard. It certainly makes text entry easier but only if you are able to familiarize yourself with the layout on said keyboard and get as comfortable with it as the keyboard you typically use. I know that these are available as replacements on laptops so I’d have to presume that the external USB keyboard equivalent is available as well.

Also, if you as a multi-language computer user are willing to be a part of an “e-mail circle” about this please let me know. This is a time where more input, and possibly conflicting input, is a very good thing provided you can describe how you’ve arrived at your conclusions. It would be great to be the proverbial "fly on the wall" while those with long experience with this need discuss their experiences with each other. This may or may not happen, but I thought I'd ask.

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1709, Build 16299 (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)


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