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Re: installing windows 10 with narrator

Feliciano G
 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 1:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: installing windows 10 with narrator

what's the difference between a digital license or a product key?
I always thought the product key is used to retrieve/install a license.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Kristoffer Gustafsson [mailto:kg.kristoffer@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, Jan 4, 2018 7:55 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: installing windows 10 with narrator

Wich license do you Think is best. digital or one with a Product key?
I have the Product key version right now.


2018-01-03 6:22 GMT+01:00, Kristoffer Gustafsson <kg.kristoffer@gmail.com>:
Hi.
I'm trying to install windows 10 using narrator.
It doesn't work for me. does it work for you?
I'm booting the dvd and it Begins to spin.
when it stops I try to start narrator with ctrl+ enter, nothing happens.
ctrl+ windows key + allt doesn't work either.
I want to make my installation of windows and jaws without help.
/Kristoffer

--
Kristoffer Gustafsson
Salängsgatan 7a
tel:033-12 60 93
mobil: 0730-500934


Re: installing windows 10 with narrator

Mario
 

what's the difference between a digital license or a product key?
I always thought the product key is used to retrieve/install a license.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Kristoffer Gustafsson [mailto:kg.kristoffer@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, Jan 4, 2018 7:55 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: installing windows 10 with narrator

Wich license do you Think is best. digital or one with a Product key?
I have the Product key version right now.


2018-01-03 6:22 GMT+01:00, Kristoffer Gustafsson <kg.kristoffer@gmail.com>:
Hi.
I'm trying to install windows 10 using narrator.
It doesn't work for me. does it work for you?
I'm booting the dvd and it Begins to spin.
when it stops I try to start narrator with ctrl+ enter, nothing happens.
ctrl+ windows key + allt doesn't work either.
I want to make my installation of windows and jaws without help.
/Kristoffer

--
Kristoffer Gustafsson
Salängsgatan 7a
tel:033-12 60 93
mobil: 0730-500934


Re: Braille Displays and Multiple Languages/Character Sets

Jason White
 

To clarify, I was referring to braille displays used in combination with a screen reader, not to the internal functions (e.g., editing or note taking capabilities) that some of them offer. If you also need those functions to be effective in a multilingual setting, then you need to be sure that the software running on the device itself supports both (or all) of the required languages. This includes translation and back translation features.

On the other hand, if you're just using the display in combination with a screen reader, then all of the language-specific functionality resides in the screen reader itself. The braille display simply forwards braille input and accepts data representing dot combinations from the host computer.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun Brunot
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 9:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Braille Displays and Multiple Languages/Character Sets

Hi Jason: Actually, I don't totally agree. Sure, you can type on your braille device whatever symbols you want and, as long as you're reading in context, you can read them the same way you could if they were on a piece of paper. But if you need them to also be correct in a print situation, it gets hairy. The Braillenote family is not particularly supple when it comes to braille foreign characters. I have asked HumanWare if it couldn't be possible to have a custom determined keyboard, so you could type dots 1-6, for example, and decide whether you want to hear "a circle," or the corresponding phoneme, (a sound similar to the Italian O), or "a circumflex" or "au" which would make sense for German abridged braille.

You're right in as much as you can type a symbol and set language in Braillenote, but only the main ones. What I mean is: Braillenote allows you only to be language-specific (if you select one of the four big ones). But if you want it to be character-specific, you'd have more trouble. I actually managed to set my Braillenote PK so I could load a file in Swedish and read it (no speech) with the correct Swedish braille symbols for the diacritic marks to pop up as I read. It was hard, though, and Humanware reps weren't quite sure how to advise about it. Now, I never will dare to change anything in my Braillenote PK settings, for it was so entangled to get the Swedish characters to show. On a desktop PC, you can set the keyboard layout under settings, keyboard, International (I think) and decide whether you want English and Swedish keyboards as active alternatives, or several keyboards. Chances are that if you grew up in France, you'll know the French keyboard layout, for example, so being able to switch between English and French is a real help. For me, if I need to type French, I use the alt and the ASCII combinations--this is faster, since I did not grow up using the French typing keyboard. Sure, Eloquence may still speak whatever you are reading with English speech rules for your desktop work, but you can live with that for certain situations quite fine as long as you can read the right braille symbol under your fingers and be sure you have the correct symbol in your document, especially if you're going to share it with a visually equipped person

I have done some quiet research on this subject, but not been able to find really clear indications about it.

Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2018 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Braille Displays and Multiple Languages/Character Sets

All commercially available braille displays that I’m aware of can present text in any language supported by the screen reader. The braille display doesn’t handle the different braille codes; the screen reader does so, then sends a dot pattern to the display. Likewise, the input keys on the braille display are read, and interpreted, by the screen reader itself. The braille display is language-independent in so far as its interactions with the screen reader are concerned.



Thus, choosing a braille display is independent of which languages are to be used.



Assuming that the user in question plans to use JAWS (and you’re asking on a JAWS list, after all), then the next question is whether JAWS offers translation tables for the desired languages. To find out, look in the translation table settings.



If different character sets are to be used, it may be necessary to switch between two different translation tables. JAWS appears to support this; on the Focus 40 Blue display that I’m using here, it’s assigned to dots 2-3-4-5-7 chord. I haven’t experimented with the feature, however.



As to keyboard layout, you can configure this in the operating system, so you shouldn’t need to obtain a new or different physical keyboard, unless there’s a specific reason for preferring a physical keyboard that has slightly different keys on it (for a different language/country).



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 6:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Braille Displays and Multiple Languages/Character Sets



This message may be considered off-topic, but there is really nowhere in particular where I can try to engage those who’ve “been there, done that” (or may be there doing that) with this topic. If the moderator believes this should not be further discussed on the group, then please post with that request. I am happy to receive input either on the group or via private message or e-mail.

I may soon be taking on some contract work where one of the questions is what braille display would be best suited for use with foreign (non-English) characters both from an input and output perspective. Since I am sighted and monolingual this particular need is something that’s entirely in the abstract for me. This is definitely a time where input from those who have already encountered this need and tried things out would be invaluable.

I would also be curious as to whether those who are dealing with multiple languages where non-English-language character sets are being used have found it useful to use a language-specific keyboard. It certainly makes text entry easier but only if you are able to familiarize yourself with the layout on said keyboard and get as comfortable with it as the keyboard you typically use. I know that these are available as replacements on laptops so I’d have to presume that the external USB keyboard equivalent is available as well.

Also, if you as a multi-language computer user are willing to be a part of an “e-mail circle” about this please let me know. This is a time where more input, and possibly conflicting input, is a very good thing provided you can describe how you’ve arrived at your conclusions. It would be great to be the proverbial "fly on the wall" while those with long experience with this need discuss their experiences with each other. This may or may not happen, but I thought I'd ask.

--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1709, Build 16299 (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)


If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind. ~ Irving Becker


Re: Braille Displays and Multiple Languages/Character Sets

 

Nermin,

             Thanks very much for your input.  It is quite valuable.

              I'm familiar with the large character on the keys type keyboards for those with low vision.  I've had way more than one person using a ZoomText keyboard in their various iterations.

              The sorts of considerations you list are precisely what I was hoping to get out of asking what I asked on several blind/low-vision related lists.  I knew that there would be a lot of entangling between the Braille hardware, screen reader or screen readers, the language or languages used, etc., but exactly what those entanglements are is something best offered by those who've "been there, done that" and I am not in that group.

--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1709, Build 16299  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

 
If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind.     ~ Irving Becker


Re: jaws/capslock key;

Jessica D <jldail13@...>
 

Hi,
No, you don't need to remap anything.
Go to where it says "keyboard layout," and select "laptop layout."
There you go.
You're all set.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Owais
Patel
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws/capslock key;

Hi there. I'm Owais. I use Bootcamp through Jaws to load Windows and
everything works good except the CapsLock. The fix is to use a remapping
program like SharpKeys. I'm just not sure how to set it up. I just need
some assistance on how to do this. There are Videos for this on NouTube but
still I need assistance in which a Blind user could understand. Thans.
Sincerely,
Owais

On Jan 5, 2018, at 1:58 PM, John Covici <covici@ccs.covici.com> wrote:

How are using windows -- by vmware fusion, bootcamp or what?

On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 12:14:08 -0500,
david wrote:

[1 <text/plain; us-ascii (7bit)>]
[2 <text/html; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>] does anyone know how to
get a jaws/capslock key to work on a mac book?

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com



Re: win10 settings screen with jaws cursor

 

And have you tried the touch cursor? I am not an NVDA user, but understand that the Jaws touch cursor and NVDA object navigation are similar in nature.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 1:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: win10 settings screen with jaws cursor

 

Yes, that is why I use JAWS for some tasks, but when the JAWS cursor is needed, NVDA object navigation does the trick!

Now, it is NVDA 90 percent, and JAWS 10 percent.

The numbers keep going toward NVDA LOL!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 7:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: win10 settings screen with jaws cursor

 

Yes, that is normal behaviour in Windows 10, not liking it is unfortunately not going to help, the Jaws cursor will be less and less useful and we’ll have to live with it.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2018 3:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: win10 settings screen with jaws cursor

 

Yes, and I don't like it.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 1/5/2018 6:31 PM, Juan Hernandez wrote:

Hi All,

 

I have realized lately that I can no longer read the settings screens in windows 10 with the jaws cursor.  I have to use the touch cursor.  Do you guys see this as well?

 

Thanks.    

 

Juan Hernandez

Juanhernandez98@...

619-750-9431

 

 

 


Re: jaws/capslock key;

Owais Patel <owaisipatel@...>
 

Hi there. I'm Owais. I use Bootcamp through Jaws to load Windows and everything works good except the CapsLock. The fix is to use a remapping program like SharpKeys. I'm just not sure how to set it up. I just need some assistance on how to do this. There are Videos for this on NouTube but still I need assistance in which a Blind user could understand. Thans.
Sincerely,
Owais

On Jan 5, 2018, at 1:58 PM, John Covici <covici@ccs.covici.com> wrote:

How are using windows -- by vmware fusion, bootcamp or what?

On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 12:14:08 -0500,
david wrote:

[1 <text/plain; us-ascii (7bit)>]
[2 <text/html; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>]
does anyone know how to get a jaws/capslock key to work on a mac book?

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com



Re: off topic, looking for email list

Pablo Morales
 

Mike,

Thanks. I really appreciate it.

P

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 9:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: off topic, looking for email list

 

Hi Pablo,

 

Well hell why didn't you say so, here you go!  LOL 

 

blindshooters@...  (Default E-Mail)

 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, January 05, 2018 5:10 PM

Subject: Re: off topic, looking for email list

 

Hello Randy, Rob, and Mike,

Thanks for all of your answers.

Randy, in your email I can’t fine any reference about the email list that you are talking about in your email. Could you resend it please?

Mike, that link is great, and very helpful. I am trying to find what I am looking for.

Rob, I already tried keywords in my search. However the results weren’t so positive. Sometimes email list tries to be unnoticed using no description and names that doesn’t say anything.

However the type of email list is about blind fire arms shooters. I don’t think that there are so many because it is a kind of practice that is not common neither for sighted users. I did it when I was sighted and I know that in US are blind people practicing shooting  with fire arms.

However if some of you know about groups of blind people practicing fire arm shooting, let me know.

Thank you so much,

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 6:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: off topic, looking for email list

 

This is a low traffic list that deals with anything blind related. It is ran by me and is meant to address anything related to blindness.
On 1/5/2018 11:50 AM, Pablo Morales wrote:

Hello all,

I am looking for an email list with some characteristics that are not very common. However I would like to know if you guys know a page with a large list of blind email list. You know, some times there are email list with a very specific and limited topic like jaws, or iPhone, or NVDA, but sometimes are email list with topics a little bit more  eccentric. Any help will be tremendously appreciated

Thanks in advance,

 

 

-- 
Sincerely: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
Grants Pass, Or. 


Re: Braille Displays and Multiple Languages/Character Sets

Nermin
 

Hi Brian,

there are several things to consider when choosing a Braille display nowadays.
1. If the display is going to be used as a stand-alone device, will the language in question be supported by a possible speech synthesizer?
2. Does the screen reader in question have the necessary Braille tables to display said language?
Most of the time, you can find Braille tables elsewhere if that should not be the case. JAWS used to habe jbt files you could copy to have them show up in the Braille translation combo box, but more recent versions of JAWS and or NVDA use recent Liblouis translation tables.
I suppose the same would hold true if you were using contracted Braille in whatever language, but that's a question of settings and Braile tables again.
3. If the device has stand-alone Braille input, how good is its back translation from contracted Braille into standard writing?
Some devices offer a feature where you type contracted words and these are then translated back into normal words. This is very useful if you have to type a lot of text fast.
I cannot tell you what display offers the best or good results there, since I don't own anything super recent.
Note: I'm mostly refering to devices that are computers themselves here, notetakers with interpet capabiities, etc.

When it comes to keyboards, some people may prefer actual keyboards with the symbols on them, provided they have enough vision to make out anything meaningful.
There are companies that sell keyboards with larger font sizes for vision impaired users.
As for me, I completely killed the US English keyboard and am just using the German and Spanish ones.
The US keyboard has all the different punctuation symbols elsewhere when compared to the rest of Europe, so Spanish is very close to the German layout in that regard, just y and z are where you'd expect them on a US keyboard.
Another benefit of the Spanish keyboard is that I can produce all sorts of accented letters fairly quickly.
I memorised the layout spending some time in Spain, others may have different approaches to multi-lingual input.
What language is your client going to use?
Braille displays also have dot commands or menus where you can change character sets and Braille tables.

Hope that was somewhat helpful.

Regards,
Nermin


Re: win10 settings screen with jaws cursor

David Moore
 

Yes, that is why I use JAWS for some tasks, but when the JAWS cursor is needed, NVDA object navigation does the trick!

Now, it is NVDA 90 percent, and JAWS 10 percent.

The numbers keep going toward NVDA LOL!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 7:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: win10 settings screen with jaws cursor

 

Yes, that is normal behaviour in Windows 10, not liking it is unfortunately not going to help, the Jaws cursor will be less and less useful and we’ll have to live with it.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2018 3:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: win10 settings screen with jaws cursor

 

Yes, and I don't like it.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 1/5/2018 6:31 PM, Juan Hernandez wrote:

Hi All,

 

I have realized lately that I can no longer read the settings screens in windows 10 with the jaws cursor.  I have to use the touch cursor.  Do you guys see this as well?

 

Thanks.    

 

Juan Hernandez

Juanhernandez98@...

619-750-9431

 

 

 


Re: hospitality programs with JAWS

DAN REID
 

Let me know what you find out.  I've been working with a major hospitality company for 20+ years and have recently had to move to a different position because Jaws was not compatible with their reservation system upgrades.
Thanks,
dan
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2018 5:48 PM
Subject: hospitality programs with JAWS

Does anyone use or know if Opera & Fidelio, hospitality programs are accessible with JAWS?

Thank you.

Denise


Re: off topic, looking for email list

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Pablo,
 
Well hell why didn't you say so, here you go!  LOL 
 
blindshooters@...  (Default E-Mail)
 
 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2018 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: off topic, looking for email list

Hello Randy, Rob, and Mike,

Thanks for all of your answers.

Randy, in your email I can’t fine any reference about the email list that you are talking about in your email. Could you resend it please?

Mike, that link is great, and very helpful. I am trying to find what I am looking for.

Rob, I already tried keywords in my search. However the results weren’t so positive. Sometimes email list tries to be unnoticed using no description and names that doesn’t say anything.

However the type of email list is about blind fire arms shooters. I don’t think that there are so many because it is a kind of practice that is not common neither for sighted users. I did it when I was sighted and I know that in US are blind people practicing shooting  with fire arms.

However if some of you know about groups of blind people practicing fire arm shooting, let me know.

Thank you so much,

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 6:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: off topic, looking for email list

 

This is a low traffic list that deals with anything blind related. It is ran by me and is meant to address anything related to blindness.
On 1/5/2018 11:50 AM, Pablo Morales wrote:

Hello all,

I am looking for an email list with some characteristics that are not very common. However I would like to know if you guys know a page with a large list of blind email list. You know, some times there are email list with a very specific and limited topic like jaws, or iPhone, or NVDA, but sometimes are email list with topics a little bit more  eccentric. Any help will be tremendously appreciated

Thanks in advance,

 

 

-- 
Sincerely: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
Grants Pass, Or. 


Re: How can I get to a message balloon that popped up?

Peter Tesar
 

Hello, 

 

When I used Windows 7, the plugging in of a USB drive gave me a list of options.

This was the same as pressing the applications key in My Computer.


Since using Windows 10 I get a Notification whenever plugging in a USB drive:

   Notification from Auto Play …

   Select to choose what happens with removable drive

 

When I press Windows-key plus a, the word “Notification” is frozen on screen.

 

Using the Jaws say the current line command gives me only the word “Notification”.

 

When using the Jaws cursor, I cannot find the word “Notification” anywhere on the screen.

 

When back to the PC cursor, the say current line still gives the word “Notification”.

The Windows-key plus v does nothing.


How do I do what the notification  instructs?

   Select to choose what happens with removable drive


What do I do with  this auto play notification?


I’m using the latest versions of Windows 10 Home and Jaws 2018.

The Ease of Access Center has nothing about the balloon or Notification.

 

Peter T.


On 1/4/2018 10:35 PM, Bill White wrote:

Hi again, Richard. One thing you can do either in Windows 7 or Windows 10 is to go into the Ease of Access Center, and change how long a balloon remains on the screen. I have mine set to 20 seconds. Then it is easier to click on the balloon either with the Left Mouse Click on the Number Pad with Windows 7, or WINDOWS key plus A for Windows 10.

 

Bill White



Re: Jaws 18 40 minute mode

O.Addison Gethers
 

I didn’t meanto call you Sugar ,I couldn’t spell your name right please forgive me.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2018 7:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 18 40 minute mode

 

Do you have a Jaws authorization key? If so, does your SMA cover Jaws 2018?

If you started using the Jaws 2018 public beta a license key would at first not have been required, but after the official release it now is.

When it’s asking for you to run Jaws in demo mode, select to activate the product and follow the prompts to activate via the internet, then enter or paste in your key and if your SMA covers 2018 you will be goog to go otherwise you may have to first renew your SMA.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2018 4:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 18 40 minute mode

 

Hello All

I’m using jaws 18  on laptop computer with 64 bits  I’m getting this 40 minute mode message asking me to restart the computer. How can I stop this 40 minute mode and activate authorization code ? I download jaws 18 from freedome scientific website 2 months ago  and never had this problem when I turned on laptop this afternoon.

Addison

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: Jaws 18 40 minute mode

O.Addison Gethers
 

Hi Sugar  My sister see where it’s say authorization code she clicks to activated the authorization code already in the box and submitted to freedom scientific  then I call them this afternoonto ask the lady to do jaws tandem but she won’t  do it and jaws not saying nothing on my laptop so I had to close the top down and ppress the power button again,it’s still doing same things agin !!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2018 7:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 18 40 minute mode

 

Do you have a Jaws authorization key? If so, does your SMA cover Jaws 2018?

If you started using the Jaws 2018 public beta a license key would at first not have been required, but after the official release it now is.

When it’s asking for you to run Jaws in demo mode, select to activate the product and follow the prompts to activate via the internet, then enter or paste in your key and if your SMA covers 2018 you will be goog to go otherwise you may have to first renew your SMA.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2018 4:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 18 40 minute mode

 

Hello All

I’m using jaws 18  on laptop computer with 64 bits  I’m getting this 40 minute mode message asking me to restart the computer. How can I stop this 40 minute mode and activate authorization code ? I download jaws 18 from freedome scientific website 2 months ago  and never had this problem when I turned on laptop this afternoon.

Addison

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: Braille Displays and Multiple Languages/Character Sets

Gudrun Brunot
 

Hi Jason: Actually, I don't totally agree. Sure, you can type on your braille device whatever symbols you want and, as long as you're reading in context, you can read them the same way you could if they were on a piece of paper. But if you need them to also be correct in a print situation, it gets hairy. The Braillenote family is not particularly supple when it comes to braille foreign characters. I have asked HumanWare if it couldn't be possible to have a custom determined keyboard, so you could type dots 1-6, for example, and decide whether you want to hear "a circle," or the corresponding phoneme, (a sound similar to the Italian O), or "a circumflex" or "au" which would make sense for German abridged braille.

You're right in as much as you can type a symbol and set language in Braillenote, but only the main ones. What I mean is: Braillenote allows you only to be language-specific (if you select one of the four big ones). But if you want it to be character-specific, you'd have more trouble. I actually managed to set my Braillenote PK so I could load a file in Swedish and read it (no speech) with the correct Swedish braille symbols for the diacritic marks to pop up as I read. It was hard, though, and Humanware reps weren't quite sure how to advise about it. Now, I never will dare to change anything in my Braillenote PK settings, for it was so entangled to get the Swedish characters to show. On a desktop PC, you can set the keyboard layout under settings, keyboard, International (I think) and decide whether you want English and Swedish keyboards as active alternatives, or several keyboards. Chances are that if you grew up in France, you'll know the French keyboard layout, for example, so being able to switch between English and French is a real help. For me, if I need to type French, I use the alt and the ASCII combinations--this is faster, since I did not grow up using the French typing keyboard. Sure, Eloquence may still speak whatever you are reading with English speech rules for your desktop work, but you can live with that for certain situations quite fine as long as you can read the right braille symbol under your fingers and be sure you have the correct symbol in your document, especially if you're going to share it with a visually equipped person

I have done some quiet research on this subject, but not been able to find really clear indications about it.

Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2018 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Braille Displays and Multiple Languages/Character Sets

All commercially available braille displays that I’m aware of can present text in any language supported by the screen reader. The braille display doesn’t handle the different braille codes; the screen reader does so, then sends a dot pattern to the display. Likewise, the input keys on the braille display are read, and interpreted, by the screen reader itself. The braille display is language-independent in so far as its interactions with the screen reader are concerned.



Thus, choosing a braille display is independent of which languages are to be used.



Assuming that the user in question plans to use JAWS (and you’re asking on a JAWS list, after all), then the next question is whether JAWS offers translation tables for the desired languages. To find out, look in the translation table settings.



If different character sets are to be used, it may be necessary to switch between two different translation tables. JAWS appears to support this; on the Focus 40 Blue display that I’m using here, it’s assigned to dots 2-3-4-5-7 chord. I haven’t experimented with the feature, however.



As to keyboard layout, you can configure this in the operating system, so you shouldn’t need to obtain a new or different physical keyboard, unless there’s a specific reason for preferring a physical keyboard that has slightly different keys on it (for a different language/country).



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 6:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Braille Displays and Multiple Languages/Character Sets



This message may be considered off-topic, but there is really nowhere in particular where I can try to engage those who’ve “been there, done that” (or may be there doing that) with this topic. If the moderator believes this should not be further discussed on the group, then please post with that request. I am happy to receive input either on the group or via private message or e-mail.

I may soon be taking on some contract work where one of the questions is what braille display would be best suited for use with foreign (non-English) characters both from an input and output perspective. Since I am sighted and monolingual this particular need is something that’s entirely in the abstract for me. This is definitely a time where input from those who have already encountered this need and tried things out would be invaluable.

I would also be curious as to whether those who are dealing with multiple languages where non-English-language character sets are being used have found it useful to use a language-specific keyboard. It certainly makes text entry easier but only if you are able to familiarize yourself with the layout on said keyboard and get as comfortable with it as the keyboard you typically use. I know that these are available as replacements on laptops so I’d have to presume that the external USB keyboard equivalent is available as well.

Also, if you as a multi-language computer user are willing to be a part of an “e-mail circle” about this please let me know. This is a time where more input, and possibly conflicting input, is a very good thing provided you can describe how you’ve arrived at your conclusions. It would be great to be the proverbial "fly on the wall" while those with long experience with this need discuss their experiences with each other. This may or may not happen, but I thought I'd ask.

--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1709, Build 16299 (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)


If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind. ~ Irving Becker


Re: Braille Displays and Multiple Languages/Character Sets

 

Jason,

           Thank you for your input.   This individual will be using JAWS as the screen reader, but I am unsure which version of JAWS (though it will be recent).

            Part of the reason for asking about which Braille display might be preferable is that it's been my experience in general that virtually any piece of hardware, being used for a specific purpose, has ones that seem to be more or less cranky.  Perhaps that's not the case here and even knowing that would be valuable.
 
            Given the two languages I know will be involved it simply seems to me that having a dedicated keyboard (as in likely physical keyboard) for each would make life much, much easier than trying to switch either via software or multi-key sequences to produce characters.

             There is, of course, a lot of conjecture going on at this point on my end as well.

--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1709, Build 16299  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

 
If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind.     ~ Irving Becker


Re: off topic, looking for email list

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Sorry, Here you go:
blind-users@groups.io
blind-users+subscribe@groups.io
On 1/5/2018 5:10 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:

Hello Randy, Rob, and Mike,

Thanks for all of your answers.

Randy, in your email I can’t fine any reference about the email list that you are talking about in your email. Could you resend it please?

Mike, that link is great, and very helpful. I am trying to find what I am looking for.

Rob, I already tried keywords in my search. However the results weren’t so positive. Sometimes email list tries to be unnoticed using no description and names that doesn’t say anything.

However the type of email list is about blind fire arms shooters. I don’t think that there are so many because it is a kind of practice that is not common neither for sighted users. I did it when I was sighted and I know that in US are blind people practicing shooting  with fire arms.

However if some of you know about groups of blind people practicing fire arm shooting, let me know.

Thank you so much,

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 6:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: off topic, looking for email list

 

This is a low traffic list that deals with anything blind related. It is ran by me and is meant to address anything related to blindness.
On 1/5/2018 11:50 AM, Pablo Morales wrote:

Hello all,

I am looking for an email list with some characteristics that are not very common. However I would like to know if you guys know a page with a large list of blind email list. You know, some times there are email list with a very specific and limited topic like jaws, or iPhone, or NVDA, but sometimes are email list with topics a little bit more  eccentric. Any help will be tremendously appreciated

Thanks in advance,

 

 

-- 
Sincerely: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
Grants Pass, Or. 


-- 
Sincerely: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
Grants Pass, Or. 


Re: off topic, looking for email list

Pablo Morales
 

Hello Randy, Rob, and Mike,

Thanks for all of your answers.

Randy, in your email I can’t fine any reference about the email list that you are talking about in your email. Could you resend it please?

Mike, that link is great, and very helpful. I am trying to find what I am looking for.

Rob, I already tried keywords in my search. However the results weren’t so positive. Sometimes email list tries to be unnoticed using no description and names that doesn’t say anything.

However the type of email list is about blind fire arms shooters. I don’t think that there are so many because it is a kind of practice that is not common neither for sighted users. I did it when I was sighted and I know that in US are blind people practicing shooting  with fire arms.

However if some of you know about groups of blind people practicing fire arm shooting, let me know.

Thank you so much,

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 6:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: off topic, looking for email list

 

This is a low traffic list that deals with anything blind related. It is ran by me and is meant to address anything related to blindness.
On 1/5/2018 11:50 AM, Pablo Morales wrote:

Hello all,

I am looking for an email list with some characteristics that are not very common. However I would like to know if you guys know a page with a large list of blind email list. You know, some times there are email list with a very specific and limited topic like jaws, or iPhone, or NVDA, but sometimes are email list with topics a little bit more  eccentric. Any help will be tremendously appreciated

Thanks in advance,

 

 

-- 
Sincerely: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
Grants Pass, Or. 


Re: Jaws 18 40 minute mode

 

Do you have a Jaws authorization key? If so, does your SMA cover Jaws 2018?

If you started using the Jaws 2018 public beta a license key would at first not have been required, but after the official release it now is.

When it’s asking for you to run Jaws in demo mode, select to activate the product and follow the prompts to activate via the internet, then enter or paste in your key and if your SMA covers 2018 you will be goog to go otherwise you may have to first renew your SMA.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2018 4:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 18 40 minute mode

 

Hello All

I’m using jaws 18  on laptop computer with 64 bits  I’m getting this 40 minute mode message asking me to restart the computer. How can I stop this 40 minute mode and activate authorization code ? I download jaws 18 from freedome scientific website 2 months ago  and never had this problem when I turned on laptop this afternoon.

Addison

 

 

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