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How to tell which programs are updating and slowing down my JAWS?

Mike Ulrich <mulrich@...>
 

OK so I just fired up my laptop and I’m trying to put together a word doc.

For the past 10 minutes, my JAWS program is running way big time slow, and locks up a bit too.

 

So I’m guessing I have a program receiving an update?

 

So my question is: how do I quickly find out if I’m indeed downloading any updates? I can’t tell you how frustrating it is when JAWS is spitting and sputtering along like an old model T!

 

Thanks much!......Mike


List Rules, Mon, 1/1/18 #cal-notice

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Re: Jaws & Win10 Latest

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Mario,
 
I'm sorry, but being new to Widows 10 I forgot that by default everything is in Tile sort mode.  Try using up / down / left / & right arrow keys.  I don't know if that'll help, but it won't take but a few seconds to try.
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mario
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws & Win10 Latest

following your steps, there is no startup folder. from spoonbill games,
one down arrow gets me sticky notes.



-------- Original Message --------
From: Mike B. [mailto:mb69mach1@...]
Sent: Sunday, Dec 31, 2017 4:55 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws & Win10 Latest

*Hi Mario,*
**
*Press the Windows key to open the Start menu, arrow to Programs, right
arrow to open, arrow down to, Start-up submenu, & right arrow to open.*
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In
the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Mario <mailto:mrb620@...>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Sunday, December 31, 2017 10:23 AM
*Subject:* Re: Jaws & Win10 Latest

where is the startup folder located? I don't find it in the usual place
(windows key, up arrow to all programs, right arrow and start arrowing
down, s section doesn't have a startup folder.).


-------- Original Message --------
From: Mike B. [mailto:mb69mach1@...]
Sent: Friday, Dec 29, 2017 7:49 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Jaws & Win10 Latest

*Hi Sieghard,*
**
*None of these items are in the Start folder, but thanks for the
suggestion, that's something that didn't cross my mind. Thanks much.*
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In
the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:sieghard@...>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Friday, December 29, 2017 2:30 PM
*Subject:* Re: Jaws & Win10 Latest

I also get the “Main Menu”, but it only shows up when I reboot or turn
the computer on after it was off, once I close it it’s gone.

Things like OneNote, Settings etc. you might want to check your Startup
folder to see if any shortcuts/programs are being launched.

Regards,

Sieghard

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Mike B.
*Sent:* Friday, December 29, 2017 12:17 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Jaws & Win10 Latest

*Hi All,*

*Running J16 thru J2018 & Widows 10 latest. Whenever I invoke the,
Insert / Jaws key + F10, keystroke to open the Jaws task list dialogue I
have the following listed / showing:*

*Cortana On Top **
*Main Menu On Top *
*Microsoft Store *
*Maximized Microsoft Store Restored *
*Microsoft® Windows® Operating System On Top *
*OneNote Maximized *
*OneNote Restored *
*Settings Maximized *
*Settings Restored *
*Start On Top *
*Windows Shell Experience Host On Top *
*Windows Shell Experience Host Restored**

*My question, how do I stop all the above crap from showing in the Task
list?! This is really irritating!*

*All help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks much. A very happy &
prosperous New Year to all.*

*Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.**
*Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In
the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.**










Re: Jaws & Win10 Latest

Mario
 

following your steps, there is no startup folder. from spoonbill games,
one down arrow gets me sticky notes.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Mike B. [mailto:mb69mach1@charter.net]
Sent: Sunday, Dec 31, 2017 4:55 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws & Win10 Latest

*Hi Mario,*
**
*Press the Windows key to open the Start menu, arrow to Programs, right
arrow to open, arrow down to, Start-up submenu, & right arrow to open.*
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In
the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Mario <mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Sunday, December 31, 2017 10:23 AM
*Subject:* Re: Jaws & Win10 Latest

where is the startup folder located? I don't find it in the usual place
(windows key, up arrow to all programs, right arrow and start arrowing
down, s section doesn't have a startup folder.).


-------- Original Message --------
From: Mike B. [mailto:mb69mach1@charter.net]
Sent: Friday, Dec 29, 2017 7:49 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Jaws & Win10 Latest

*Hi Sieghard,*
**
*None of these items are in the Start folder, but thanks for the
suggestion, that's something that didn't cross my mind. Thanks much.*
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In
the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:sieghard@live.ca>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Friday, December 29, 2017 2:30 PM
*Subject:* Re: Jaws & Win10 Latest

I also get the “Main Menu”, but it only shows up when I reboot or turn
the computer on after it was off, once I close it it’s gone.

Things like OneNote, Settings etc. you might want to check your Startup
folder to see if any shortcuts/programs are being launched.

Regards,

Sieghard

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Mike B.
*Sent:* Friday, December 29, 2017 12:17 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Jaws & Win10 Latest

*Hi All,*

*Running J16 thru J2018 & Widows 10 latest. Whenever I invoke the,
Insert / Jaws key + F10, keystroke to open the Jaws task list dialogue I
have the following listed / showing:*

*Cortana On Top **
*Main Menu On Top *
*Microsoft Store *
*Maximized Microsoft Store Restored *
*Microsoft® Windows® Operating System On Top *
*OneNote Maximized *
*OneNote Restored *
*Settings Maximized *
*Settings Restored *
*Start On Top *
*Windows Shell Experience Host On Top *
*Windows Shell Experience Host Restored**

*My question, how do I stop all the above crap from showing in the Task
list?! This is really irritating!*

*All help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks much. A very happy &
prosperous New Year to all.*

*Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.**
*Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In
the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.**


Re: jaws and chrome behaving equally badly on 2 machines

Jason White
 

I would suggest removing Chrome and re-installing it.

 

I’m running Chrome here with JAWS 2018 and it’s working as well as it always has.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ray T. Mahorney via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 5:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and chrome behaving equally badly on 2 machines

 

the only thing I can think of is that it was a chrome update which set me on this path I noticed it about mid to late spring of this year so I suspect I’d have to roll back fairly far even if I could. Where does Google hide its dinosaur downloads?

 

Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 14:16

Subject: Re: jaws and chrome behaving equally badly on 2 machines

 

Have you re-installed Chrome? Can you trace the problem to a Chrome update?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stan Holdeman
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and chrome behaving equally badly on 2 machines

 

For me jaws 18 reads Chrome just fine, but J2018 will not read web Content.

 

This is before and after many repairs, reinstalls, updates and even move to Windows 10 creator update.

 

I first installed J2018 in mid-November. It worked fine for about a week then stopped reading web content in Chrome.

 

VFO tech support seems to be bewildered.

 

Stan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ray T. Mahorney via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 10:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws and chrome behaving equally badly on 2 machines

 

running jaws 15 on a win7 64 machine and jaws13 on a win7 32 bit machine and chrome seems to behave badly on both. Whenever I try to visit a website regardless Chrome either crashes or does not read screen contents. Chrome behaves nicely with NVDA on both machines but not apparently chrome and JAWS. uninstalling and reinstalling chrome did not help nor did clearing the cashes on both machines. both have adiquit memory to run both chrome and jaws. This is a recent development which has been puzzling me for months.  I can't think of anything I've done to cause this equally bad behavior on both machines. What might I be missing?  


Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA


Re: jaws and chrome behaving equally badly on 2 machines

James Homuth
 

I can't say I've had any luck with Chrome using JAWS 14. I haven't actually
had *good* luck with Chrome until I used 18. Thought it was just me, mind
you.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ray T.
Mahorney via Groups.Io
Sent: December-31-17 5:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and chrome behaving equally badly on 2 machines

I'm having the same thought and NVDA updated this morning when I ran it to
see how it behaved with Chrome and to this point, it has done so with no
subsequent bad behavior.

-----Original Message-----
From: Shai
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 08:50
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and chrome behaving equally badly on 2 machines

Hi Ray,
I am not sure that JAWS 13 and 15 supported Chrome. If it did, I would
suggest uninstalling Chrome again and reinstalling which ever version was
supported at the time with these JAWS versions. I would also disable updates
to the browser as updating it is probably causing your issue. You indicated
in your message that NVDA had been supported by Chrome on these two machines
and I would wonder if you are running the most recent version of this screen
reader. If so, then it sounds like these JAWS versions are possibly not
supported by your set up.



On 12/30/17, Ray T. Mahorney via Groups.Io
<mahorney.r.t=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
running jaws 15 on a win7 64 machine and jaws13 on a win7 32 bit
machine and chrome seems to behave badly on both. Whenever I try to
visit a website regardless Chrome either crashes or does not read
screen contents. Chrome behaves nicely with NVDA on both machines but
not apparently chrome and JAWS. uninstalling and reinstalling chrome
did not help nor did clearing the cashes on both machines. both have
adiquit memory to run both chrome and jaws. This is a recent
development which has been puzzling me for months.
I
can't think of anything I've done to cause this equally bad behavior
on both machines. What might I be missing?



Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA


Re: jaws and chrome behaving equally badly on 2 machines

Ray T. Mahorney
 

the only thing I can think of is that it was a chrome update which set me on this path I noticed it about mid to late spring of this year so I suspect I’d have to roll back fairly far even if I could. Where does Google hide its dinosaur downloads?
 

Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 14:16
Subject: Re: jaws and chrome behaving equally badly on 2 machines
 

Have you re-installed Chrome? Can you trace the problem to a Chrome update?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stan Holdeman
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and chrome behaving equally badly on 2 machines

 

For me jaws 18 reads Chrome just fine, but J2018 will not read web Content.

 

This is before and after many repairs, reinstalls, updates and even move to Windows 10 creator update.

 

I first installed J2018 in mid-November. It worked fine for about a week then stopped reading web content in Chrome.

 

VFO tech support seems to be bewildered.

 

Stan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ray T. Mahorney via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 10:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws and chrome behaving equally badly on 2 machines

 

running jaws 15 on a win7 64 machine and jaws13 on a win7 32 bit machine and chrome seems to behave badly on both. Whenever I try to visit a website regardless Chrome either crashes or does not read screen contents. Chrome behaves nicely with NVDA on both machines but not apparently chrome and JAWS. uninstalling and reinstalling chrome did not help nor did clearing the cashes on both machines. both have adiquit memory to run both chrome and jaws. This is a recent development which has been puzzling me for months.  I can't think of anything I've done to cause this equally bad behavior on both machines. What might I be missing?  


Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA


Re: jaws and chrome behaving equally badly on 2 machines

Ray T. Mahorney
 

I'm having the same thought and NVDA updated this morning when I ran it to see how it behaved with Chrome and to this point, it has done so with no subsequent bad behavior.

-----Original Message-----
From: Shai
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 08:50
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and chrome behaving equally badly on 2 machines

Hi Ray,
I am not sure that JAWS 13 and 15 supported Chrome. If it did, I would
suggest uninstalling Chrome again and reinstalling which ever version
was supported at the time with these JAWS versions. I would also
disable updates to the browser as updating it is probably causing your
issue. You indicated in your message that NVDA had been supported by
Chrome on these two machines and I would wonder if you are running the
most recent version of this screen reader. If so, then it sounds like
these JAWS versions are possibly not supported by your set up.



On 12/30/17, Ray T. Mahorney via Groups.Io
<mahorney.r.t=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
running jaws 15 on a win7 64 machine and jaws13 on a win7 32 bit machine and
chrome seems to behave badly on both. Whenever I try to visit a website
regardless Chrome either crashes or does not read screen contents. Chrome
behaves nicely with NVDA on both machines but not apparently chrome and
JAWS. uninstalling and reinstalling chrome did not help nor did clearing the
cashes on both machines. both have adiquit memory to run both chrome and
jaws. This is a recent development which has been puzzling me for months. I
can't think of anything I've done to cause this equally bad behavior on both
machines. What might I be missing?



Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA


Re: Jaws & Win10 Latest

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Mario,
 
Press the Windows key to open the Start menu, arrow to Programs, right arrow to open, arrow down to, Start-up submenu, & right arrow to open.
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mario
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws & Win10 Latest

where is the startup folder located? I don't find it in the usual place
(windows key, up arrow to all programs, right arrow and start arrowing
down, s section doesn't have a startup folder.).


-------- Original Message --------
From: Mike B. [mailto:mb69mach1@...]
Sent: Friday, Dec 29, 2017 7:49 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws & Win10 Latest

*Hi Sieghard,*
**
*None of these items are in the Start folder, but thanks for the
suggestion, that's something that didn't cross my mind. Thanks much.*
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In
the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:sieghard@...>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Friday, December 29, 2017 2:30 PM
*Subject:* Re: Jaws & Win10 Latest

I also get the “Main Menu”, but it only shows up when I reboot or turn
the computer on after it was off, once I close it it’s gone.

Things like OneNote, Settings etc. you might want to check your Startup
folder to see if any shortcuts/programs are being launched.

Regards,

Sieghard

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Mike B.
*Sent:* Friday, December 29, 2017 12:17 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Jaws & Win10 Latest

*Hi All,*

*Running J16 thru J2018 & Widows 10 latest. Whenever I invoke the,
Insert / Jaws key + F10, keystroke to open the Jaws task list dialogue I
have the following listed / showing:*

*Cortana On Top **
*Main Menu On Top *
*Microsoft Store *
*Maximized Microsoft Store Restored *
*Microsoft® Windows® Operating System On Top *
*OneNote Maximized *
*OneNote Restored *
*Settings Maximized *
*Settings Restored *
*Start On Top *
*Windows Shell Experience Host On Top *
*Windows Shell Experience Host Restored**

*My question, how do I stop all the above crap from showing in the Task
list?! This is really irritating!*

*All help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks much. A very happy &
prosperous New Year to all.*

*Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.**
*Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In
the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.**






Re: Jaws & Win10 Latest

Mario
 

thanks Rick.

-------- Original Message --------
From: ely.r@comcast.net
Sent: Sunday, Dec 31, 2017 2:40 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws & Win10 Latest

Mario,
Here is a link to running and using the startup folder.
https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-add-or-remove-startup-apps-in-windows-10/
In Windows 10 it is easy. You can find and open the startup list by pressing
the start button and in the search field type startup and press enter.
The items in the list can be disabled by selecting the desired item and
either right clicking or using the context menu and selecting disable.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 1:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & Win10 Latest

where is the startup folder located? I don't find it in the usual place
(windows key, up arrow to all programs, right arrow and start arrowing down,
s section doesn't have a startup folder.).


-------- Original Message --------
From: Mike B. [mailto:mb69mach1@charter.net]
Sent: Friday, Dec 29, 2017 7:49 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws & Win10 Latest

*Hi Sieghard,*
**
*None of these items are in the Start folder, but thanks for the suggestion,
that's something that didn't cross my mind.  Thanks much.* Take care.
Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:sieghard@live.ca>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Friday, December 29, 2017 2:30 PM
*Subject:* Re: Jaws & Win10 Latest

I also get the "Main Menu", but it only shows up when I reboot or turn the
computer on after it was off, once I close it it's gone.

Things like OneNote, Settings etc. you might want to check your Startup
folder to see if any shortcuts/programs are being launched.

Regards,

Sieghard

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Mike B.
*Sent:* Friday, December 29, 2017 12:17 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Jaws & Win10 Latest

*Hi All,*

*Running J16 thru J2018 & Widows 10 latest.  Whenever I invoke the, Insert /
Jaws key + F10, keystroke to open the Jaws task list dialogue I have the
following listed / showing:*

*Cortana   On Top **
*Main Menu   On Top *
*Microsoft Store *
*Maximized Microsoft Store   Restored *
*Microsoft® Windows® Operating System   On Top * *OneNote   Maximized *
*OneNote   Restored * *Settings   Maximized * *Settings   Restored *
*Start   On Top * *Windows Shell Experience Host   On Top * *Windows Shell
Experience Host   Restored**

*My question, how do I stop all the above crap from showing in the Task
list?! This is really irritating!*

*All help will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks much.  A very happy &
prosperous New Year to all.*

*Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.** *Arguing with a woman is like
reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore
everything, & click I agree.**










.


Re: Jaws & Win10 Latest

ely.r@...
 

Mario,
Here is a link to running and using the startup folder.
https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-add-or-remove-startup-apps-in-windows-10/
In Windows 10 it is easy. You can find and open the startup list by pressing
the start button and in the search field type startup and press enter.
The items in the list can be disabled by selecting the desired item and
either right clicking or using the context menu and selecting disable.
Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 1:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & Win10 Latest

where is the startup folder located? I don't find it in the usual place
(windows key, up arrow to all programs, right arrow and start arrowing down,
s section doesn't have a startup folder.).


-------- Original Message --------
From: Mike B. [mailto:mb69mach1@charter.net]
Sent: Friday, Dec 29, 2017 7:49 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws & Win10 Latest

*Hi Sieghard,*
**
*None of these items are in the Start folder, but thanks for the suggestion,
that's something that didn't cross my mind.  Thanks much.* Take care. 
Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:sieghard@live.ca>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Friday, December 29, 2017 2:30 PM
*Subject:* Re: Jaws & Win10 Latest

I also get the “Main Menu”, but it only shows up when I reboot or turn the
computer on after it was off, once I close it it’s gone.

Things like OneNote, Settings etc. you might want to check your Startup
folder to see if any shortcuts/programs are being launched.

Regards,

Sieghard

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Mike B.
*Sent:* Friday, December 29, 2017 12:17 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Jaws & Win10 Latest

*Hi All,*

*Running J16 thru J2018 & Widows 10 latest.  Whenever I invoke the, Insert /
Jaws key + F10, keystroke to open the Jaws task list dialogue I have the
following listed / showing:*

*Cortana   On Top **
*Main Menu   On Top *
*Microsoft Store *
*Maximized Microsoft Store   Restored *
*Microsoft® Windows® Operating System   On Top * *OneNote   Maximized *
*OneNote   Restored * *Settings   Maximized * *Settings   Restored *
*Start   On Top * *Windows Shell Experience Host   On Top * *Windows Shell
Experience Host   Restored**

*My question, how do I stop all the above crap from showing in the Task
list?! This is really irritating!*

*All help will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks much.  A very happy &
prosperous New Year to all.*

*Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.** *Arguing with a woman is like
reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore
everything, & click I agree.**


Re: jaws and chrome behaving equally badly on 2 machines

Jason White
 

Have you re-installed Chrome? Can you trace the problem to a Chrome update?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stan Holdeman
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and chrome behaving equally badly on 2 machines

 

For me jaws 18 reads Chrome just fine, but J2018 will not read web Content.

 

This is before and after many repairs, reinstalls, updates and even move to Windows 10 creator update.

 

I first installed J2018 in mid-November. It worked fine for about a week then stopped reading web content in Chrome.

 

VFO tech support seems to be bewildered.

 

Stan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ray T. Mahorney via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 10:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws and chrome behaving equally badly on 2 machines

 

running jaws 15 on a win7 64 machine and jaws13 on a win7 32 bit machine and chrome seems to behave badly on both. Whenever I try to visit a website regardless Chrome either crashes or does not read screen contents. Chrome behaves nicely with NVDA on both machines but not apparently chrome and JAWS. uninstalling and reinstalling chrome did not help nor did clearing the cashes on both machines. both have adiquit memory to run both chrome and jaws. This is a recent development which has been puzzling me for months.  I can't think of anything I've done to cause this equally bad behavior on both machines. What might I be missing?  


Re: Jaws & Win10 Latest

Mario
 

where is the startup folder located? I don't find it in the usual place
(windows key, up arrow to all programs, right arrow and start arrowing
down, s section doesn't have a startup folder.).

-------- Original Message --------
From: Mike B. [mailto:mb69mach1@charter.net]
Sent: Friday, Dec 29, 2017 7:49 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws & Win10 Latest

*Hi Sieghard,*
**
*None of these items are in the Start folder, but thanks for the
suggestion, that's something that didn't cross my mind.  Thanks much.*
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In
the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:sieghard@live.ca>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Friday, December 29, 2017 2:30 PM
*Subject:* Re: Jaws & Win10 Latest

I also get the “Main Menu”, but it only shows up when I reboot or turn
the computer on after it was off, once I close it it’s gone.

Things like OneNote, Settings etc. you might want to check your Startup
folder to see if any shortcuts/programs are being launched.

Regards,

Sieghard

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Mike B.
*Sent:* Friday, December 29, 2017 12:17 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Jaws & Win10 Latest

*Hi All,*

*Running J16 thru J2018 & Widows 10 latest.  Whenever I invoke the,
Insert / Jaws key + F10, keystroke to open the Jaws task list dialogue I
have the following listed / showing:*

*Cortana   On Top **
*Main Menu   On Top *
*Microsoft Store *
*Maximized Microsoft Store   Restored *
*Microsoft® Windows® Operating System   On Top *
*OneNote   Maximized *
*OneNote   Restored *
*Settings   Maximized *
*Settings   Restored *
*Start   On Top *
*Windows Shell Experience Host   On Top *
*Windows Shell Experience Host   Restored**

*My question, how do I stop all the above crap from showing in the Task
list?! This is really irritating!*

*All help will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks much.  A very happy &
prosperous New Year to all.*

*Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.**
*Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In
the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.**


Re: IPod Shuffle Alternatives?

Nermin
 

Hi all,

as for devices with buttons, a good place to start would be www.rockbox.org.
The site includes a list of devices that support Rockbox, the alternative firmware on many models. These used to include iPods also, devices from Archos, Covon and Sansa.
I haven't been on the site in a long time, but I'd imagine that Rockbox has gotten updates over time. Most players can play m4a files as well if you put rockbox on them.
Rockbox is considered to be a good alternative for the companys' own offering, and supports more file formats when flashed.
Laz puts the firmware onto his devices and sells them through the site mentioned ealier. I'm not sure if he sells outside the US though.

Regards,
Nermin


Re: jaws and chrome behaving equally badly on 2 machines

Alan Robbins
 

Yes, VFO seems to be getting bewildered about a lot of quirks of late. Not knocking them, just stating what I’ve been noticing.

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stan Holdeman
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and chrome behaving equally badly on 2 machines

 

For me jaws 18 reads Chrome just fine, but J2018 will not read web Content.

 

This is before and after many repairs, reinstalls, updates and even move to Windows 10 creator update.

 

I first installed J2018 in mid-November. It worked fine for about a week then stopped reading web content in Chrome.

 

VFO tech support seems to be bewildered.

 

Stan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ray T. Mahorney via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 10:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws and chrome behaving equally badly on 2 machines

 

running jaws 15 on a win7 64 machine and jaws13 on a win7 32 bit machine and chrome seems to behave badly on both. Whenever I try to visit a website regardless Chrome either crashes or does not read screen contents. Chrome behaves nicely with NVDA on both machines but not apparently chrome and JAWS. uninstalling and reinstalling chrome did not help nor did clearing the cashes on both machines. both have adiquit memory to run both chrome and jaws. This is a recent development which has been puzzling me for months.  I can't think of anything I've done to cause this equally bad behavior on both machines. What might I be missing?  


Re: jaws and chrome behaving equally badly on 2 machines

Shai
 

Hi Ray,
I am not sure that JAWS 13 and 15 supported Chrome. If it did, I would
suggest uninstalling Chrome again and reinstalling which ever version
was supported at the time with these JAWS versions. I would also
disable updates to the browser as updating it is probably causing your
issue. You indicated in your message that NVDA had been supported by
Chrome on these two machines and I would wonder if you are running the
most recent version of this screen reader. If so, then it sounds like
these JAWS versions are possibly not supported by your set up.



On 12/30/17, Ray T. Mahorney via Groups.Io
<mahorney.r.t=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
running jaws 15 on a win7 64 machine and jaws13 on a win7 32 bit machine and
chrome seems to behave badly on both. Whenever I try to visit a website
regardless Chrome either crashes or does not read screen contents. Chrome
behaves nicely with NVDA on both machines but not apparently chrome and
JAWS. uninstalling and reinstalling chrome did not help nor did clearing the
cashes on both machines. both have adiquit memory to run both chrome and
jaws. This is a recent development which has been puzzling me for months. I
can't think of anything I've done to cause this equally bad behavior on both
machines. What might I be missing?


Re: jaws and chrome behaving equally badly on 2 machines

Stan Holdeman
 

For me jaws 18 reads Chrome just fine, but J2018 will not read web Content.

 

This is before and after many repairs, reinstalls, updates and even move to Windows 10 creator update.

 

I first installed J2018 in mid-November. It worked fine for about a week then stopped reading web content in Chrome.

 

VFO tech support seems to be bewildered.

 

Stan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ray T. Mahorney via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 10:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws and chrome behaving equally badly on 2 machines

 

running jaws 15 on a win7 64 machine and jaws13 on a win7 32 bit machine and chrome seems to behave badly on both. Whenever I try to visit a website regardless Chrome either crashes or does not read screen contents. Chrome behaves nicely with NVDA on both machines but not apparently chrome and JAWS. uninstalling and reinstalling chrome did not help nor did clearing the cashes on both machines. both have adiquit memory to run both chrome and jaws. This is a recent development which has been puzzling me for months.  I can't think of anything I've done to cause this equally bad behavior on both machines. What might I be missing?  


Re: IPod Shuffle Alternatives?

Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

The sixth and seventh nano were much better as it have a touch screen
with voiceover build in, and no need to configure menus to speak and
also were more accessible because of everything build in.

On 31/12/2017, paul lemm <paul.lemm@sky.com> wrote:
Hi,



If you can get hold of one the iPod Nano although it has a small screen,
it's not a touch screen so because of this it has physical controls so you
can change tracks, songs, playlists etc. without getting the thing out of
your pocket. In my opinion the Nano with spoken menus was the best iPod,
nice and small, held a good charge on a battery and has the physical
controls too. I don't think apple sells them as new, but I know in the
apple
online store in the UK apple sells refurbished Nanos and you can pick them
up second hand on eBay pretty cheap. I think I had the 4th or 5th
generation
Nano which were the first nanos to support spoken menus, although the 5th
generation was the better, even thinner, lighter and longer battery.



Hope the above helps



Paul





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle
Susan Morison
Sent: 30 December 2017 00:44
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: IPod Shuffle Alternatives?



Are Apple devices the only ones that can play .m4a files? I know another
thing I'm looking for in a music player is a device with physical controls.



_____

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of paul lemm
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 4:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: IPod Shuffle Alternatives?

Hi,



I used to have the old iPod shuffle myself, but moved over to the iPod
touch. It's got a full touch screen, but its smaller than the iPad, and
smaller than any of the newer iPhones, I'd probably say height and width
probably similar to the old iPhone 4s, but a lot thinner and lighter, it's
also got voice over so you can navigate everything with the TTS. Although
to be fair since it is that much bigger still though than the old shuffle
I ended up just putting all my music on my iPhone and using that instead of
the iPod. If you still really want a shuffle though, you can always look on
EBay for a second hand one, or if you can't get a shuffle on there you
could
look for the iPod Nano , I think from either the 3rd or 4th generation
they
have TTS built in to navigate the small display, although you'd best check
online first to check which generation started to support TTS .



Hope this helps





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle
Susan Morison
Sent: 30 December 2017 00:16
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Ipod Shuffle Alternatives?



Would an iPad be easy to carry with me to the gym?



_____

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason
White via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 4:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Ipod Shuffle Alternatives?

All I can recommend would be an iPhone or iPad, which would also let you
subscribe to Apple Music if you wish.



iTunes for PC can also access Apple Music, so you can use it with JAWS as
well as on an Apple iOS device.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle
Susan Morison
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 6:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Ipod Shuffle Alternatives?



Hi, it's Annabelle.

I know this might not be the forum for this question, but does anybody out
there know of any lightweight, blind-accessible alternatives to the Ipod
Shuffle? I currently have an Ipod Shuffle First Generation which I
purchased
in 2008, and just recently, the battery dies after only 1 hour!
Unfortunately, Apple makes it so the battery can't be replaced easily.
Also,
from what I understand, Ipods in general are going out-of-print. This is
such a shame, as the Ipod Shuffle is the most accessible one for me, as
there isn't a touchscreen. If I need to get something new, I want something
that can be compatible with ITunes Music, especially .m4a files, something
that can store lots of music, and most important of all, something that has
an easy way to replace the battery! And, I hope there's something out there
that can plug into my Apple Adapter that came with the Ipod Shuffle I have.




jaws and chrome behaving equally badly on 2 machines

Ray T. Mahorney
 

running jaws 15 on a win7 64 machine and jaws13 on a win7 32 bit machine and chrome seems to behave badly on both. Whenever I try to visit a website regardless Chrome either crashes or does not read screen contents. Chrome behaves nicely with NVDA on both machines but not apparently chrome and JAWS. uninstalling and reinstalling chrome did not help nor did clearing the cashes on both machines. both have adiquit memory to run both chrome and jaws. This is a recent development which has been puzzling me for months.  I can't think of anything I've done to cause this equally bad behavior on both machines. What might I be missing?  


Locating Pixel Position

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi All,
 
A few months ago someone posted how to locate pixel position of the cursor using J2018 & Windows 10.  I thought I had saved  it, but I now find that I didn't!  Would someone please post that information if they have it, or will someone please explain how this is done?  All help will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks mooy moocho, & a happy New Year to all.
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.