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Re: Creating accessible, fillable PDFs?

Michael Mote
 

Hi there!  Can you send me the PDF file as an attachment, and let me see what happens on my end.  I’ve been working a lot on these myself, and would like to help you if I can.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jonas Voll
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 10:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Creating accessible, fillable PDFs?

 

Sounds like the PDF may be an image!

 

caption” an “image” and it’s referring to all of page one

 

 

Jonas Voll
Support Technician I
Envision, Inc.
2301 S Water ST
Wichita, KS 67213
O: 316-425-7141
F: 316-267-4312
www.envisionus.com

Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration and opportunity for people who are blind or visually impaired through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Johnson, Joanne
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 11:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Creating accessible, fillable PDFs?

 

Hi Everyone,

 

I am having a lot of trouble making this fillable PDF accessible. (Both attached and at this link: https://www.portlandoregon.gov/oni/article/661427 )


Three JAWS users have said it’s not screen reader accessible. Specifically, that JAWS just says “document processing” and does not read the text.   

 

  I’ve added tooltips to the form fields, tagged the text, and adjusted the reading
  order. The “Read Out Loud” feature in adobe reads everything correctly. I’ve done a lot of research online, including using several guides to create accessible, fillable PDF forms and I’m still stuck.

 But when I run the accessibility checker, it does show *something *is off. it asks me to “caption” an “image” and it’s referring to all of page one!

 

I’m wondering if I tagged something incorrectly or the file size is somehow beyond the capacity of JAWs (which seems unlikely).   

 

Do you have any ideas about what went wrong or how to make it right?

 

Also, we are hoping to find a company who can create accessible documents and forms so that we know they are accessible the first time, every time. Does anyone have any suggestions for companies that do good work?

 

We would especially love to use an organization that prioritizes the lived experience of people who need/use assistive technology and one located in or near Portland, Oregon. But we’re open to any suggestions.


 Thanks for anything you can offer. I really appreciate your expertise and skill.

 

Joanne

 

 

 

 
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Re: Creating accessible, fillable PDFs?

Jonas Voll
 

Sounds like the PDF may be an image!

 

caption” an “image” and it’s referring to all of page one

 

 

Jonas Voll
Support Technician I
Envision, Inc.
2301 S Water ST
Wichita, KS 67213
O: 316-425-7141
F: 316-267-4312
www.envisionus.com

Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration and opportunity for people who are blind or visually impaired through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Johnson, Joanne
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 11:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Creating accessible, fillable PDFs?

 

Hi Everyone,

 

I am having a lot of trouble making this fillable PDF accessible. (Both attached and at this link: https://www.portlandoregon.gov/oni/article/661427 )


Three JAWS users have said it’s not screen reader accessible. Specifically, that JAWS just says “document processing” and does not read the text.   

 

  I’ve added tooltips to the form fields, tagged the text, and adjusted the reading
  order. The “Read Out Loud” feature in adobe reads everything correctly. I’ve done a lot of research online, including using several guides to create accessible, fillable PDF forms and I’m still stuck.

 But when I run the accessibility checker, it does show *something *is off. it asks me to “caption” an “image” and it’s referring to all of page one!

 

I’m wondering if I tagged something incorrectly or the file size is somehow beyond the capacity of JAWs (which seems unlikely).   

 

Do you have any ideas about what went wrong or how to make it right?

 

Also, we are hoping to find a company who can create accessible documents and forms so that we know they are accessible the first time, every time. Does anyone have any suggestions for companies that do good work?

 

We would especially love to use an organization that prioritizes the lived experience of people who need/use assistive technology and one located in or near Portland, Oregon. But we’re open to any suggestions.


 Thanks for anything you can offer. I really appreciate your expertise and skill.

 

Joanne

 

 

 

 
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Re: good windows 10 app updaters

 

What does an “update app manager” do?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 7:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: good windows 10 app updaters

 

Hi, for the past few years been using filehippo app manager, but 1.47 , kept giving me connection errors and just searched, filehippo does not support windows 10. So my question is, what other update app managers do you use for windows 10.

Thanks.

 

 

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Re: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

Richard Turner
 

I'd strongly recommend getting rid of the third party antivirus program and just use Windows Defender.
Antivirus programs often cause issues with screen readers and the computer experts I know do not recommend running two different ones.
Unless you have somehow completely disabled Windows Defender, you have two running.
Windows Defender works great!

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of moiz tundawala
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 5:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

Dear All,
I did get in touch with Microsoft Accessibility. They remote accessed
my computer but weren't able to solve the problem. The person has sent
it to her research team for further instructions.
I also downloaded JAWS 2018 and am running it in 40 minute mode. JAWS
remains slow and sluggish.
Can something be wrong with the computer and its settings? I have a
Dell 13 Inspiron 5378.
Thanks,
Moiz.

On 11/27/17, moiz tundawala <moiztundawala@gmail.com> wrote:
Mario,
I run no other program at startup. My computer had the McAfee
antivirus which I have just uninstalled. I have now moved too Sophos.
Martin, Thanks for letting me know about microsoft accessibility. I
haven't tried getting in touch with them yet. Will do so and let you
know what happens.
Sieghard,
No, I haven't tried JAWS 2018. Will do that too and get back.
Thanks everyone.
Moiz.

On 11/27/17, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
Sorry, Richard, should read the entire thread before repeating the
suggestion somebody else has already made.
One other thing, Moiz, have you tried Jaws 2018 to see if it also does
this?
If your SMNA doesn't cover it you can still download it and use it in
40-minute demo mode, from what you describe this will be long enough to
see
if the problem occurs.

Regards,
Sieghard

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 9:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

I would also try Microsoft Accessibility and see if they can figure it
out.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of moiz
tundawala
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 7:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

Dear Mario,
They asked me to uninstall JAWS with all its registry files and reinstall
it
once again. I followed their instructions but this didn't solve the
problem.
Then I got my computer formatted, but JAWS is as slow and sluggish as
before.
VFO just wrote back once again saying that some other programme might be
interfering with JAWS and that I should go into settings of programmes
like
my antivirus and make an exception for Freedom Scientific. I have
uninstalled my antivirus completely to see what happens, but once again,
JAWS becomes slow after every few minutes.
Moiz.

On 11/27/17, Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com> wrote:
Moiz, please let us know what the tech did to fix the problem.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Alan Robbins [mailto:alan1057@me.com]
Sent: Monday, Nov 27, 2017 7:34 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

I would suggest contacting VFO via email or phone

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of moiz
tundawala
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 4:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

Dear All,
JAWS 18 becomes slow and sluggish on my Windows 10 laptop after every
few minutes. I get it back to working normally by unloading and
reloading the application. Strangely enough, I have also noticed that
JAWS starts working fine even after I open and close Kurzweil. But
this lasts only a few minutes and the problem returns, until I repeat
the cycle all over again.
I have tried doing a clean installation of JAWS and have also got my
computer formatted. But nothing seems to be helping. What may be wrong
here?
Thanks,
Moiz.







.














Re: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

 

Hi Moiz,

If you have done a clean install of Windows 10 or at least a restore without saving your
Settings and then you reinstalled Jaws on this clean system and Jaws is still sluggish then yes, I would say there is a good chance something is just not right with your system. I assume Microsoft Accessibility would have checked to make sure all your drivers are up to date?
Is Jaws slow in particular applications like Word or OUtlook or is it even sluggish when you use Windows Explorer, go to Settings or online using IE?
I still am a pretty firm believer that in the long run Windows Defender will give you the least amount of trouble and it's one less thing to worry about or for Microsoft Accessibility to have to deal with should you ask them for help.

Good luck,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of moiz tundawala
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 5:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

Dear All,
I did get in touch with Microsoft Accessibility. They remote accessed my computer but weren't able to solve the problem. The person has sent it to her research team for further instructions.
I also downloaded JAWS 2018 and am running it in 40 minute mode. JAWS remains slow and sluggish.
Can something be wrong with the computer and its settings? I have a Dell 13 Inspiron 5378.
Thanks,
Moiz.

On 11/27/17, moiz tundawala <moiztundawala@gmail.com> wrote:
Mario,
I run no other program at startup. My computer had the McAfee
antivirus which I have just uninstalled. I have now moved too Sophos.
Martin, Thanks for letting me know about microsoft accessibility. I
haven't tried getting in touch with them yet. Will do so and let you
know what happens.
Sieghard,
No, I haven't tried JAWS 2018. Will do that too and get back.
Thanks everyone.
Moiz.

On 11/27/17, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
Sorry, Richard, should read the entire thread before repeating the
suggestion somebody else has already made.
One other thing, Moiz, have you tried Jaws 2018 to see if it also
does this?
If your SMNA doesn't cover it you can still download it and use it in
40-minute demo mode, from what you describe this will be long enough
to see if the problem occurs.

Regards,
Sieghard

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 9:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

I would also try Microsoft Accessibility and see if they can figure
it out.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
moiz tundawala
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 7:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

Dear Mario,
They asked me to uninstall JAWS with all its registry files and
reinstall it once again. I followed their instructions but this
didn't solve the problem.
Then I got my computer formatted, but JAWS is as slow and sluggish as
before.
VFO just wrote back once again saying that some other programme might
be interfering with JAWS and that I should go into settings of
programmes like my antivirus and make an exception for Freedom
Scientific. I have uninstalled my antivirus completely to see what
happens, but once again, JAWS becomes slow after every few minutes.
Moiz.

On 11/27/17, Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com> wrote:
Moiz, please let us know what the tech did to fix the problem.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Alan Robbins [mailto:alan1057@me.com]
Sent: Monday, Nov 27, 2017 7:34 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

I would suggest contacting VFO via email or phone

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
moiz tundawala
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 4:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

Dear All,
JAWS 18 becomes slow and sluggish on my Windows 10 laptop after
every few minutes. I get it back to working normally by unloading
and reloading the application. Strangely enough, I have also noticed
that JAWS starts working fine even after I open and close Kurzweil.
But this lasts only a few minutes and the problem returns, until I
repeat the cycle all over again.
I have tried doing a clean installation of JAWS and have also got my
computer formatted. But nothing seems to be helping. What may be
wrong here?
Thanks,
Moiz.







.














Re: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

moiz tundawala
 

Thanks Sieghard. The problem persists even without the antivirus running.
Moiz.f

On 11/28/17, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
Why not just use Microsoft's built-in anti virus, Windows Defender. I
haven't bought third-party anti virus software ever since Security
Essentials for Windows 7 became a free download. I have a retail business
with 5 PC's and my laptop at home, I have staff who uses the internet and
unfortunately not always only for work related stuff and I have never had an
issue with a virus. As far as I can see it Windows Defender doesn't use a
lot of resources and obviously it should play nicely with everything else
since it's made by Microsoft.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of moiz
tundawala
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 10:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

Mario,
I run no other program at startup. My computer had the McAfee antivirus
which I have just uninstalled. I have now moved too Sophos.
Martin, Thanks for letting me know about microsoft accessibility. I haven't
tried getting in touch with them yet. Will do so and let you know what
happens.
Sieghard,
No, I haven't tried JAWS 2018. Will do that too and get back.
Thanks everyone.
Moiz.

On 11/27/17, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
Sorry, Richard, should read the entire thread before repeating the
suggestion somebody else has already made.
One other thing, Moiz, have you tried Jaws 2018 to see if it also does
this?
If your SMNA doesn't cover it you can still download it and use it in
40-minute demo mode, from what you describe this will be long enough
to see if the problem occurs.

Regards,
Sieghard

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 9:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

I would also try Microsoft Accessibility and see if they can figure it
out.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of moiz
tundawala
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 7:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

Dear Mario,
They asked me to uninstall JAWS with all its registry files and
reinstall it once again. I followed their instructions but this didn't
solve the problem.
Then I got my computer formatted, but JAWS is as slow and sluggish as
before.
VFO just wrote back once again saying that some other programme might
be interfering with JAWS and that I should go into settings of
programmes like my antivirus and make an exception for Freedom
Scientific. I have uninstalled my antivirus completely to see what
happens, but once again, JAWS becomes slow after every few minutes.
Moiz.

On 11/27/17, Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com> wrote:
Moiz, please let us know what the tech did to fix the problem.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Alan Robbins [mailto:alan1057@me.com]
Sent: Monday, Nov 27, 2017 7:34 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

I would suggest contacting VFO via email or phone

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
moiz tundawala
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 4:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

Dear All,
JAWS 18 becomes slow and sluggish on my Windows 10 laptop after every
few minutes. I get it back to working normally by unloading and
reloading the application. Strangely enough, I have also noticed that
JAWS starts working fine even after I open and close Kurzweil. But
this lasts only a few minutes and the problem returns, until I repeat
the cycle all over again.
I have tried doing a clean installation of JAWS and have also got my
computer formatted. But nothing seems to be helping. What may be
wrong here?
Thanks,
Moiz.







.



















Re: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

moiz tundawala
 

No Ron, McAfee and Sophos.
The Microsoft folks also tried disabling Sophos and doing a clean
reboot of my computer. It didn't help.
Moiz.

On 11/27/17, Ron Pelletier <ron.pelletier@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Hi,

Are you, by any chance, using Avast for an antivirus? I had that problem
and got rid of it by removing Avast completely and going to another
antivirus.

Just a thought

Ron & Danvers


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of moiz
tundawala
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 4:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

Dear All,
JAWS 18 becomes slow and sluggish on my Windows 10 laptop after every few
minutes. I get it back to working normally by unloading and reloading the
application. Strangely enough, I have also noticed that JAWS starts working
fine even after I open and close Kurzweil. But this lasts only a few minutes
and the problem returns, until I repeat the cycle all over again.
I have tried doing a clean installation of JAWS and have also got my
computer formatted. But nothing seems to be helping. What may be wrong
here?
Thanks,
Moiz.








good windows 10 app updaters

Marvin Hunkin <neilmarvin@...>
 

Hi, for the past few years been using filehippo app manager, but 1.47 , kept giving me connection errors and just searched, filehippo does not support windows 10. So my question is, what other update app managers do you use for windows 10.

Thanks.

 


Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: Unending problems with firefox

Mario
 

Nate, when I had FF 56, I became aware of the recommendation to install
the ESR release over what I had. but 4 days later FF updated
automatically and silently to version 56.0.2 after I started FF the next
day even though I changed the setting of updating to check but let me
decide when to install it. I wound up uninstalling 56 and reinstalling
ESR, but it updated again in 4 days. I finally wound up uninstalling 56
again more thoroughly and wound up reinstalling ESR, but again FF
updated to 56, so I left it and am using the portable ESR version, but
wondered why the installed version kept updating to 56.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Poppa Bear [mailto:heavens4real@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, Nov 27, 2017 7:30 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Unending problems with firefox

Hmm,
I am glad that it is working, but you should not have had to uninstall
version 57. Never the less, if it is working then two thumbs up.
Take care,

Nate Kile,
Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision
Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual
instruction for schools
Also Private training to your needs
907-444-3707
Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office
products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes:
www.yourtechvision.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ibrahim Ajayi
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 2:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unending problems with firefox

Hello again:
I thank all those who took time up to respond to my issue with firefox.
I actually successfully re-installed the extended support release 52.5 a
few hours ago. I had to uninstall firefox 57 before installing the
ESR. I didn't know before then that I have to remove that program. I
thought the ESR works with firefox 57.
All the same, I now have firefox running again on my computer.
Thanking you all again.
Ibrahim.

On 11/27/17, Carol Smith via Groups.Io <carollablady=aol.com@groups.io>
wrote:
Chrome was very easy to install bookmarks or favorites, depending on
which browser you might use. Under the chrome menu, you would find
bookmarks. At the end of the options for bookmarks, there is a prompt
for import bookmarks and settings. I pressed that and all of my
bookmarks were moved into Chrome.

Carol


On 11/27/2017 11:03 AM, Bonnie Vegiard wrote:
I installed the extended release version for 64-bit machine’s, and so
far I’ve had no issues with it. I haven’t used it very much since doing
this.
It was a straightforward install, and I did not run into any
problems. Are use jaws 18 and windows 10. I am interested in
switching to chrome, as I hear a lot of people really like it, but I
have to investigate how to change all my bookmarks over. Also, our
use the one password program, and I have to figure out how to install
the extension for chrome. All this is doable, but I just have not
gotten around to it. I found one password is pretty inconsistent with
Firefox. Does anyone know if it’s any better with chrome?
Thanks, Bonnie

On Nov 25, 2017, at 10:09 AM, Richard Turner
<richardturner42@outlook.com> wrote:

For those who think they installed the ESR version but still cannot
use Firefox, make sure when you run the install file, you get
"Update" as an option. Double check the Help, About after
installation to be sure you have 52.5 ESR 32 bit. At least, some on
this list, have said run the 32 bit version even if you have a 64
bit machine as it works better with Jaws, apparently.
Here is the 32 bit link for US English:
https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-esr-latest-ssl&os=win&
lang=en-US

For all other languages and versions of the ESR, go to:
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/

Richard


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
cecropia64
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 7:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unending problems with firefox

Hi:


I';m having the same issue but I haven't upgraded to Jaws 2018 yet.
In the mean time, I'm using both Internet explorer and NVDA if you
want to use Firefox. IE still works well with Jaws and NVDA is
working well with Firefox for now. Just a little fix to consider.


Stew


On 11/25/2017 2:28 AM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
Hello again:
Firefox, is still not working with JAWS, even with the extended
support release. I downloaded and installed the ESR52.5 program,
and it is running.
But when I open firefox, I get this message:
"Display of tab content is disabled due to incompatibility with
your screen reader. Please update your screenreader, or switch to
firefox extended support release".
Does anyone have this problem even after installing ESR, how did
you get around it.
Or is there is fix for this new probllem created by firefox.
I did refresh firefox as suggested in the firefox help, but nothing
changed. In fact, I've now lost all my bookmarks.
Any help?
Ibrahim in Nigeria.

























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Re: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

moiz tundawala
 

Dear All,
I did get in touch with Microsoft Accessibility. They remote accessed
my computer but weren't able to solve the problem. The person has sent
it to her research team for further instructions.
I also downloaded JAWS 2018 and am running it in 40 minute mode. JAWS
remains slow and sluggish.
Can something be wrong with the computer and its settings? I have a
Dell 13 Inspiron 5378.
Thanks,
Moiz.

On 11/27/17, moiz tundawala <moiztundawala@gmail.com> wrote:
Mario,
I run no other program at startup. My computer had the McAfee
antivirus which I have just uninstalled. I have now moved too Sophos.
Martin, Thanks for letting me know about microsoft accessibility. I
haven't tried getting in touch with them yet. Will do so and let you
know what happens.
Sieghard,
No, I haven't tried JAWS 2018. Will do that too and get back.
Thanks everyone.
Moiz.

On 11/27/17, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
Sorry, Richard, should read the entire thread before repeating the
suggestion somebody else has already made.
One other thing, Moiz, have you tried Jaws 2018 to see if it also does
this?
If your SMNA doesn't cover it you can still download it and use it in
40-minute demo mode, from what you describe this will be long enough to
see
if the problem occurs.

Regards,
Sieghard

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 9:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

I would also try Microsoft Accessibility and see if they can figure it
out.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of moiz
tundawala
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 7:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

Dear Mario,
They asked me to uninstall JAWS with all its registry files and reinstall
it
once again. I followed their instructions but this didn't solve the
problem.
Then I got my computer formatted, but JAWS is as slow and sluggish as
before.
VFO just wrote back once again saying that some other programme might be
interfering with JAWS and that I should go into settings of programmes
like
my antivirus and make an exception for Freedom Scientific. I have
uninstalled my antivirus completely to see what happens, but once again,
JAWS becomes slow after every few minutes.
Moiz.

On 11/27/17, Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com> wrote:
Moiz, please let us know what the tech did to fix the problem.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Alan Robbins [mailto:alan1057@me.com]
Sent: Monday, Nov 27, 2017 7:34 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

I would suggest contacting VFO via email or phone

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of moiz
tundawala
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 4:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

Dear All,
JAWS 18 becomes slow and sluggish on my Windows 10 laptop after every
few minutes. I get it back to working normally by unloading and
reloading the application. Strangely enough, I have also noticed that
JAWS starts working fine even after I open and close Kurzweil. But
this lasts only a few minutes and the problem returns, until I repeat
the cycle all over again.
I have tried doing a clean installation of JAWS and have also got my
computer formatted. But nothing seems to be helping. What may be wrong
here?
Thanks,
Moiz.







.














Update on JAWS and jpg files

Alan Robbins
 

Well, did reinstall JAWS 2018 following the other day discussion, and it made no  difference in JAWS reading a jpg file when using the “recognize with jaws” option from the context menu using either the applications key  or shift f10 key. However, if I use the layered keystroke of Jaws key plus space bar, then o for OCR, then f for file,  it performs the necessary action and reads the file with no problem. So that said, not going to fool around calling VFO to figure out why the shortcut does not work on my machine. Using that above approach is  almost as quick and gets the job done which is all that matters to me.

 

Al


Re: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

Alan Robbins
 

I would ditto this comment and approach.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 5:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

Why not just use Microsoft's built-in anti virus, Windows Defender. I haven't bought third-party anti virus software ever since Security Essentials for Windows 7 became a free download. I have a retail business with 5 PC's and my laptop at home, I have staff who uses the internet and unfortunately not always only for work related stuff and I have never had an issue with a virus. As far as I can see it Windows Defender doesn't use a lot of resources and obviously it should play nicely with everything else since it's made by Microsoft.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of moiz tundawala
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 10:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

Mario,
I run no other program at startup. My computer had the McAfee antivirus which I have just uninstalled. I have now moved too Sophos.
Martin, Thanks for letting me know about microsoft accessibility. I haven't tried getting in touch with them yet. Will do so and let you know what happens.
Sieghard,
No, I haven't tried JAWS 2018. Will do that too and get back.
Thanks everyone.
Moiz.

On 11/27/17, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
Sorry, Richard, should read the entire thread before repeating the
suggestion somebody else has already made.
One other thing, Moiz, have you tried Jaws 2018 to see if it also does this?
If your SMNA doesn't cover it you can still download it and use it in
40-minute demo mode, from what you describe this will be long enough
to see if the problem occurs.

Regards,
Sieghard

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 9:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

I would also try Microsoft Accessibility and see if they can figure it out.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of moiz
tundawala
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 7:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

Dear Mario,
They asked me to uninstall JAWS with all its registry files and
reinstall it once again. I followed their instructions but this didn't solve the problem.
Then I got my computer formatted, but JAWS is as slow and sluggish as
before.
VFO just wrote back once again saying that some other programme might
be interfering with JAWS and that I should go into settings of
programmes like my antivirus and make an exception for Freedom
Scientific. I have uninstalled my antivirus completely to see what
happens, but once again, JAWS becomes slow after every few minutes.
Moiz.

On 11/27/17, Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com> wrote:
Moiz, please let us know what the tech did to fix the problem.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Alan Robbins [mailto:alan1057@me.com]
Sent: Monday, Nov 27, 2017 7:34 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

I would suggest contacting VFO via email or phone

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
moiz tundawala
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 4:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

Dear All,
JAWS 18 becomes slow and sluggish on my Windows 10 laptop after every
few minutes. I get it back to working normally by unloading and
reloading the application. Strangely enough, I have also noticed that
JAWS starts working fine even after I open and close Kurzweil. But
this lasts only a few minutes and the problem returns, until I repeat
the cycle all over again.
I have tried doing a clean installation of JAWS and have also got my
computer formatted. But nothing seems to be helping. What may be
wrong here?
Thanks,
Moiz.







.














Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Carol Smith
 

Thanks Tony. As I stated to someone else, the fact is that I have the money right now to pay for the system I purchased. I could have gotten less of a machine, but should it turn out that I need something more later, I now have things in place so that can happen. My 8-year-old PC has served me well enough until the last year or so, so it is now time to take the next step. I guess I had better start looking for all of those passwords and unlock keys, grin.

Take care.

Carol


10:47 PM, Tony wrote:

I tried Office 365 and didn't like it largely because I am in a rural area where high speed internet isn't always so high speed. Fortunately, I got a free copy of 2016 with a low cost laptop.

Other than giving you something to think about other people's ideas aren't worth much in making your decision about what is best for you.

When looking for my latest system I started a bit below where you ended up. After a lot of research and conversations with my vendor, I added to memory and storage. Also, because I wanted more hardware reliability, I had to change some of the components.

I am pleased with the performance and stability improvements I have and believe you will be as well.

Tony


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 9:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Thanks. I am glad to see at least one person feels the same way I do.
I put the money into the PC because I want something that will survive for a while. I can always change my mind later about Office, but I had the money now, so decided it was time to get the PC. I feel it will last a good while. Carol


On 11/27/2017 9:19 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
I got 2013 when I bought my computer two and a half years ago. I am not sorry.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 8:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

I know people think I did not do right by getting Office 365, but about the only thing I use Office for is some spreadsheet work and it works for printing labels. So, unless I come up with some very heavy reason for using Office, I feel the current upgrade from 2007 to 2016 should be adequate for some time. Thank you all for your feedback.

Carol


On 11/27/2017 12:00 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
Hi Sieghard,

When I purchased my subscription to Office 365, it was $69.95 for the first year, $59.95 after that. Perhaps that has changed and it's $59.95 for the first year. That would be a good thing. Definitely worth purchasing, as you get updates as they come out, and with the way Windows is being updated, that's the best way to go now, in my opinion.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 10:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Carol,

Two things: the Windows Pro upgrade was unnecessary, makes not much sense unless you need to connect to domains. Second, I hope you got Office 365 which is the subscription based service. If you need it just for yourself it is I think $59.95 in the States and you just pay this every year and in turn you are always entitled to the latest Office downloads and as a bonus you get 1 Tb of OneDrive storage and 60 minutes of Skype calling to regular phone lines a month. The Skype calling may not be something you use, but if you bought 1 Tb of cloud storage from Dropbox it would cost you a lot more than the entire Office subscription.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 6:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi,

I am getting used to Chrome. It crashes, but I have reached the point of saying it is more my PC than the program.

My new PC is ordered. It will have a 256 g SSD and a 2 t HDD. I
have gone overboard and purchased a PC with everything but the
kitchen sink, grin. It is a 6 core i-7 series 8 from Dell. There is
16 g ram and I see no reason why I should have a slow machine after this.
Since I went this far, I went ahead and upgraded the Office to 2016
and decided to get Windows Pro, even though I might not need it. One
never knows...I might decided to set up a network at some point.
(One never knows about these things.)

Carol


On 11/26/2017 6:04 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:
Hi Carol,

I think you'll find that web pages will load faster, although I'm certain the browser has something to do with that. Google Chrome is my browser of choice now. In my case, the SSD drive is built in, but it was on my other machine with 8 GV of RAM, so perhaps it doesn't matter as much. I was always told that if I had to make a choice between processor speed and memory, go for the extra memory.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 12:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Les,

Thank you. I never was much of an Office user. I didn't like all of the extra chatter. You know, the things like themes, styles and some other stuff that I can't tell you what it was, grin. Anyway, I think I shall still install it as it will be needed for other things.

Carol


On 11/26/2017 8:34 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
Carol, I had a system with 8 GB of RAM, and now have one with 16. I see a major speed increase with loading of Office Programs. It makes my 8 GB system seem almost slow. Good luck.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 6:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

I should also add that I am not totally set on getting Pro, and, if I find I need it later, I am sure Microsoft won't mind selling me an upgrade, grin.

Also, I don't think I need 16g ram, but that is what it comes with, so I won't worry about it. My biggest thing is the SSD and I am sure I should be able to tork that out.

Carol


On 11/25/2017 10:22 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Carol,

What do you do that requires Windows 10 Pro, just curious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 6:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

HaHaHaHa!! Yes, I am going to tell. I just finished looking at one and am almost considering it. It is a Dell xsp. Here are some of the specs:

I-7 quad core, 3.2
16 g ram
2 t hard drive (I want an SSD)
Win10 home, I want Pro
1 DVD/CD drive (doesn't say plus or minus) a wired keyboard and laser mouse does not come with Office It has an HDMI port, BlueTooth WiFi, 2 USB2 ports, and the rest of the ports are USB 3, 3-c and 3-1, totaling 12 ports. There is one SD slot which will handle SD, SDHC and SDXC.
Graphic CardNVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050Ti

OK, folks, there you have it. Price right now (Black Friday) $999 + $15 shipping and Indiana sales tax. So, that means I also need to buy the SSD and Office. There is no monitor, but I should be able to plug in my old VGA. Thanks to all that made suggestions.

Carol


On 11/25/2017 7:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Now after all that you won't tell us what you decided to get so a
dozen of us on the list can tell you why you should and why you
shouldn't get that particular PC *smile*


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 3:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Thank you. I think I have made my decision. Now, I need to start working on where I will get it.

Carol

On 11/25/2017 2:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I have some 480 Gb SSD's and have quite a bit of stuff on there and I don't notice a major slow-down.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 4:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Sieghard,

I have one last question about the SSD. If I start getting lots of files on the SSD, will it slow down in performance? If this is the case, shouldn't I get a smaller SSD and only keep those files that must reside there and place everthing else on a secondary or external drive?
Thank you for your help.

Carol



On 11/24/2017 8:21 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
With email you typically don't have a choice or at least it's much more difficult to store your Outlook.pst file (if Outlook is what you use) on a different drive than the default used by Outlook.
Other stuff like documents and especially music files and pictures and videos you should have on a different drive. It really depends on how much data you have and how large of an SSD you buy, if you have a 480 Gb or 512 Gb SSD and you only have 100 or 200 Gb of stuff then you might as well have it on the SSD.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Sieghard,

I think I have received more information today on this subject than I have ever received, grin. I have a lot to think about. One question, is it best to install all programs to the SSD and store their results on a different drive, i.e. load Goldwave from drive c and write results to drive d, or should I write results to drive c also and then move the files to drive d? Should my documents and email , etc be stored on drive c?

Carol


On 11/24/2017 4:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Carol,

Just take a look at what is out there at a good deal. As others have pointed out, 8 Gb of RAM is pretty good, I don't subscribe to Kelly's believe that you need the latest i7 processor, most of my PC's at my store have I5 processors and they do just fine, but if the price difference is not too big then there is no reason to go with an I7.
I think if I had a choice between an I7 PC with a regular hard drive and an I5 option with an SSD for a similar price then I'd choose the I5 with SSD because you do get much better performance from an SSD. Of course if you have tons of data you might want a regular hard drive or you can go with a smaller SSD just for the OS and your applications and use a USB 3 external hard drive for your data.
SSD's are not bad now even the ones around 480 to 512 Gb, but the 240 Gb ones are still cheaper and if you are not worried about lots of data then a smaller SSD will be just fine, even a 120 Gb is 3 times what you need to run just Windows and Office and a few other things.
Earlier this year I purchased a couple of HP Elite Mini PC's, these are not laptops, but just very small PC's. I really like them.

Regards,
Sieghard


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

You dont need a super expensive system. You do need the fastest I5 processor you can afford and 8GB of ram. Everything else is optional.
the onboard sound, video and network is fine.
A good SSD is very nice to have. I like Samsung myself.
256GB is fine for your OS and programs. A seperate multi TB HDD is good for music and other things like One drive and dropbox On 11/24/2017 6:00 AM, Carol Smith via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

I must get a new PC. I am looking for suggestions for one
that will meet the best use criteria for speech. Is 8g ram
enough or should I get 12? Should I get both SSD and SETA
frives? If I neeed SSD, how large should it be? Generally,
which would be the best brand? I know this is a personal
choice. I have had Dells for the last two computers and am
wondering if something else would be better. I have Office 2007. Can I use 2007 on a win10 system or Should I get 2016?
My current PC is almost 8 years old and is beginning to do
some wierd stuff, so I thought I had better take care of
getting a new one before this one gives up.

Finally, does anyone use a hybred and what do they think of it.
I know I do not want a notebook, so it must be either a
hybred, a decent laptop or another desktop. Thanks for any suggestions.
Oh yes, I would like to get one on sale today, grin.

Carol

























Re: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

 

Why not just use Microsoft's built-in anti virus, Windows Defender. I haven't bought third-party anti virus software ever since Security Essentials for Windows 7 became a free download. I have a retail business with 5 PC's and my laptop at home, I have staff who uses the internet and unfortunately not always only for work related stuff and I have never had an issue with a virus. As far as I can see it Windows Defender doesn't use a lot of resources and obviously it should play nicely with everything else since it's made by Microsoft.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of moiz tundawala
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 10:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

Mario,
I run no other program at startup. My computer had the McAfee antivirus which I have just uninstalled. I have now moved too Sophos.
Martin, Thanks for letting me know about microsoft accessibility. I haven't tried getting in touch with them yet. Will do so and let you know what happens.
Sieghard,
No, I haven't tried JAWS 2018. Will do that too and get back.
Thanks everyone.
Moiz.

On 11/27/17, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
Sorry, Richard, should read the entire thread before repeating the
suggestion somebody else has already made.
One other thing, Moiz, have you tried Jaws 2018 to see if it also does this?
If your SMNA doesn't cover it you can still download it and use it in
40-minute demo mode, from what you describe this will be long enough
to see if the problem occurs.

Regards,
Sieghard

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 9:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

I would also try Microsoft Accessibility and see if they can figure it out.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of moiz
tundawala
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 7:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

Dear Mario,
They asked me to uninstall JAWS with all its registry files and
reinstall it once again. I followed their instructions but this didn't solve the problem.
Then I got my computer formatted, but JAWS is as slow and sluggish as
before.
VFO just wrote back once again saying that some other programme might
be interfering with JAWS and that I should go into settings of
programmes like my antivirus and make an exception for Freedom
Scientific. I have uninstalled my antivirus completely to see what
happens, but once again, JAWS becomes slow after every few minutes.
Moiz.

On 11/27/17, Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com> wrote:
Moiz, please let us know what the tech did to fix the problem.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Alan Robbins [mailto:alan1057@me.com]
Sent: Monday, Nov 27, 2017 7:34 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

I would suggest contacting VFO via email or phone

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
moiz tundawala
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 4:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

Dear All,
JAWS 18 becomes slow and sluggish on my Windows 10 laptop after every
few minutes. I get it back to working normally by unloading and
reloading the application. Strangely enough, I have also noticed that
JAWS starts working fine even after I open and close Kurzweil. But
this lasts only a few minutes and the problem returns, until I repeat
the cycle all over again.
I have tried doing a clean installation of JAWS and have also got my
computer formatted. But nothing seems to be helping. What may be
wrong here?
Thanks,
Moiz.







.














Re: Kelly, Re: need recommendation for new PC

 

My Asus Zenbook is 1 year old and has an I7 processor, 16 Gb of RAM and a very fast 512 Gb SSD. But if I try to open a 200 page PDF it still takes time, not even close to an hour, but it can take a couple of minutes.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 7:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Kelly, Re: need recommendation for new PC

Yes, I have had to open some of those large books before and came back an hour later to find it was still not finished loading. Maybe I will do that again on this PC so I can make a comparrison.

Carol
On 11/27/2017 10:05 PM, Kelly Pierce wrote:
You are welcome. It seems like a lot of money when you could easily
buy a $400 computer. You will be happy you bought this one when you
want to open the 700 page Joy of Cooking in QRead to look up a recipe
and the book pops up in a second rather than taking half a minute to
load. PDF’s also open blazingly fast on these high performance
machines. Similarly, k1000 finishes OCR recognition before the
scanning camera on my flatbed scanner returns to the starting
position. Unlike sighted people, our screen readers run on top of
everything and that brings down performance slightly. With an
extremely fast processor with loads of memory, this drag on
performance is not noticeable on most tasks. It has been four years
since I bought my computer with the fastest processor at the time. I
have no interest in another machine because it still serves my needs
very well.

Kelly

On 11/27/17, Carol Smith via Groups.Io <carollablady=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Kelly,

Yes, I did put importance where I felt it was needed. I got the
newest
i7 available and lots of other features like 16 gb RAM, an SSD drive
and a processor that will reach a speed of about 4.6. I know this is
probably more computer than I might need now, but as time goes on, I
am sure I will appreciate the extras I thought over now. Thank your
for your suggestions, also.

Carol

On 11/24/2017 10:54 AM, Kelly Pierce wrote:
I have found that blind people fail to put a high importance on
processor choice. This is particularly so when multiple programs
are open with multiple windows of each program and you are also
doing processor intensive tasks, such as OCR conversion or
converting files from one format to another. It is important to buy
an i7 processor of the most recent Intel chip generation. Intel has
a special process known as hyper threading that allows a chip to
process quickly multiple tasks at the same time. You will not be
disappointed with the performance of these machines. Computer makers
often include loads of memory in the high performance machines.

You do not need a solid state drive but you might want one. Windows
and programs load very quickly and the responsiveness is incredible.
I specifically have one on my computer along with a regular terabyte
hard disc drive for keeping data files, such as my ripped music files.
All of the black Friday deals on computers are typically for
mid-range machines and I have never seen a high performance PC go on
deep discount after Thanksgiving. I bought my Dell computer on
Christmas Eve as a closeout. The store had two left, both display
models. The computer retailed for $1,800 and I paid $1,200 before
Chicago’s outrageously high sales tax was applied. High performance
computers are not cheap bargains. Few people are willing to pay for
the performance and computer companies have the pricing power in
this relatively small market.

Kelly




On 11/24/17, Tony <tony@k5twz.com> wrote:
My old Win 7 machine is a dual core I3 with a max of 8gb and a
number of hard drives. It runs Office 2010. I do internet, OCR,
editing, and file manipulations on it. I frequently have 20 or
more windows open at a time.
I have installed a fast SSd for the boot drive and a second,
smaller one for a paging file.

I am able to do a lot of work on it but with 8GB ram, it gets both
CPU and memory bound and runs very slowly at times, sometimes
crashing.

My new win 10 system has a quad core Xeon with 32GB ram, 1TB SSD
and a number of hard drives. I got an inexpensive copy of Office
2016 from one of the blind vendors and the machine flys. The quad
cores only help if I have a number of CPU intensive programs
running or am running a program that can utilize multiple cores. I
have a couple of programs that won't run on win 10, which has
slowed my learning of the newer system a bit but I will eventually
use it for most everything.

My last several machines have been Dell. I know you can get more
machine for the buck elsewhere but I have been very happy with
their service.
My
new machine had a problem with the default sound device being
switched without notice and disappearing completely at times. A
Dell tech spent several days tracking down the intermittent
problem. It turned out to be an incorrect driver being loaded,
problems with their automatic driver updating, and finally a new
motherboard and audio riser were installed.
While waiting on diagnostics to run she help me find some software
I had been looking for and advised me about improving system
performance. The process took a couple of months and I had the
same tech for the duration.
It was great.
If you don't run several programs at once or do a lot of heavy
computing a dual core I5 should last you a number of years. 8TB
will probably do but might not be enough in the future. A SSD boot
drive is a must. The boot time on my win 7 machine was cut by 2/3
by adding one and programs are more responsive. A 128 or 256GB
drive should do if you keep most of your data on another drive.
My 240GB SSD is less than half full. The machine seems to freeze
at times when I run low on memory. It can take more than 4 seconds
to swap a GB of memory to the SSD and replace it. A hard drive can
take much longer. When this happens I know it is time to shut down
some windows that haven't been used for days or programs that I
know have memory leaks. I rarely reboot the win 10 machine and the
win 7 machine once or twice a week when it really get slow.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 8:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: need recommendation for new PC

Hi,

I must get a new PC. I am looking for suggestions for one that
will meet the best use criteria for speech. Is 8g ram enough or
should I get 12?
Should I get both SSD and SETA frives? If I neeed SSD, how large
should it be? Generally, which would be the best brand? I know
this is a personal choice. I have had Dells for the last two
computers and am wondering if something else would be better. I
have Office 2007. Can I use 2007 on a
win10 system or Should I get 2016? My current PC is almost 8 years
old and is beginning to do some wierd stuff, so I thought I had
better take care of getting a new one before this one gives up.

Finally, does anyone use a hybred and what do they think of it. I
know I do not want a notebook, so it must be either a hybred, a
decent laptop or another desktop. Thanks for any suggestions. Oh
yes, I would like to get one on sale today, grin.

Carol











Re: 2018 DVD

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 


From my understanding, when installing from the CD / DVD it's supposed to recognize your operating system & install the correct version.  Everyone gets the same CD because FS / VFO doesn't have a clue as to what operating systems people are running.  Also, it will install both 32 & 64 bit components, OCR, is an example.  Look in your control panel / Programs & Features, & there are both 32 & 64 bit files.  I'm not trying to argue or debate with you, because God only knows that just about every computer user, at 1 time or another, has had something happen that defies 1 or both logic / common sense!  LOL 
 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: 2018 DVD

I know because I installed JAWS on my new 64 bit computer from the DVD
in 2013 and the 32 bit version was installed.  I have never installed
from the DVD again and now just download and install the 64 bit
version.

Kelly



On 11/27/17, Mike B. <mb69mach1@...> wrote:
> Hi Kelly,
>
> Out of curiosity, why do you say Jaws installs a 32 bit version on a 64 bit
>
> system?  By accident I tried to run a 32 bit installer  to my 64 bit system,
>
> & I got an error message.  I don't recall what the error message stated, but
>
> it had to installing the wrong version on my computer.  If you look in both
>
> your Program Files & Program Files X86 folders on the root of your OS drive
>
> you'll see that Freedom Scientific folders in both, but only if you are
> running a 64 bit system.  If you're running a 32 bit system, I forget which
>
> 1, but you'll only have 1 of the Program folders, not both on your OS
> drive.
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
> Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
> end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kelly Pierce
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 7:16 PM
> Subject: Re: 2018 DVD
>
>
> I also have noticed that the DVD installs the 32 bit version of JAWS
> even though my machine can run 64 bit software. If you want to ensure
> that the 64 bit version of JAWS is installed, then download the 64 bit
> version and use the DVD as a backup without Internet access.
>
> Kelly
>
>
>
>
> On 11/27/17, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:
>> No, the downloaded version is always the better one to use because by the
>> time the DVD's are received the new version of Jaws usually had at least
>> one
>> update so if you install from the DVD you just have to update right
>> afterwards. I really think FS should ask their customers who wants a DVD
>> and
>> who doesn't and those who don't should get $10 off their SMA.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
>> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 1:25 PM
>> To: main@jfw.groups.io
>> Subject: 2018 DVD
>>
>> Just got my Jaws 2018 disk today.  Is there anything on this DVD versus
>> the
>> downloaded version of Jaws 2018?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>



Re: 2018 DVD

David & his pack of dogs
 

Since joining the dark side, LOL, I have downloaded the JAWS 18 and now the 2018. I never gave getting the CD a second thought. Everything is so coded now. As in if purchasing office 365 at Best buy, they give you a card with the product key on it, after you purchase it of course. The same is true at Costco. They had a 4 TB external hard drive for $150. Do you get it off the shelf? NO. They have a card to take up to the check out counter and you get the actual product there.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: November 27, 2017 2:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: 2018 DVD

No, the downloaded version is always the better one to use because by the time the DVD's are received the new version of Jaws usually had at least one update so if you install from the DVD you just have to update right afterwards. I really think FS should ask their customers who wants a DVD and who doesn't and those who don't should get $10 off their SMA.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 1:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: 2018 DVD

Just got my Jaws 2018 disk today. Is there anything on this DVD versus the downloaded version of Jaws 2018?


Re: Unending problems with firefox

Tom <tomcat509@...>
 

Hi,

As I shall probably have to install the other flavour of Firefox on my W10 Home 64 bit system shortly, I take it from your comments that the standard version of Firefox does not have to be uninstalled first.

Going on comments made on this or another list on the subject, it appears that it is better to install the 32 bit version rather than the 64 bit version.

Do you agree with this?

Thanks
Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Poppa Bear
Sent: Tuesday, 28 November 2017 10:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unending problems with firefox

Hmm,
I am glad that it is working, but you should not have had to uninstall version 57. Never the less, if it is working then two thumbs up.
Take care,

Nate Kile,
Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision
Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual instruction for schools
Also Private training to your needs
907-444-3707
Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ibrahim Ajayi
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 2:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unending problems with firefox

Hello again:
I thank all those who took time up to respond to my issue with firefox.
I actually successfully re-installed the extended support release 52.5 a few hours ago. I had to uninstall firefox 57 before installing the ESR. I didn't know before then that I have to remove that program. I thought the ESR works with firefox 57.
All the same, I now have firefox running again on my computer.
Thanking you all again.
Ibrahim.

On 11/27/17, Carol Smith via Groups.Io <carollablady=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Chrome was very easy to install bookmarks or favorites, depending on
which browser you might use. Under the chrome menu, you would find
bookmarks. At the end of the options for bookmarks, there is a prompt
for import bookmarks and settings. I pressed that and all of my
bookmarks were moved into Chrome.

Carol


On 11/27/2017 11:03 AM, Bonnie Vegiard wrote:
I installed the extended release version for 64-bit machine’s, and so
far I’ve had no issues with it. I haven’t used it very much since doing this.
It was a straightforward install, and I did not run into any
problems. Are use jaws 18 and windows 10. I am interested in
switching to chrome, as I hear a lot of people really like it, but I
have to investigate how to change all my bookmarks over. Also, our
use the one password program, and I have to figure out how to install
the extension for chrome. All this is doable, but I just have not
gotten around to it. I found one password is pretty inconsistent with
Firefox. Does anyone know if it’s any better with chrome?
Thanks, Bonnie

On Nov 25, 2017, at 10:09 AM, Richard Turner
<richardturner42@outlook.com> wrote:

For those who think they installed the ESR version but still cannot
use Firefox, make sure when you run the install file, you get
"Update" as an option. Double check the Help, About after
installation to be sure you have 52.5 ESR 32 bit. At least, some on
this list, have said run the 32 bit version even if you have a 64
bit machine as it works better with Jaws, apparently.
Here is the 32 bit link for US English:
https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-esr-latest-ssl&os=win&
lang=en-US

For all other languages and versions of the ESR, go to:
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/

Richard


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
cecropia64
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 7:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unending problems with firefox

Hi:


I';m having the same issue but I haven't upgraded to Jaws 2018 yet.
In the mean time, I'm using both Internet explorer and NVDA if you
want to use Firefox. IE still works well with Jaws and NVDA is
working well with Firefox for now. Just a little fix to consider.


Stew


On 11/25/2017 2:28 AM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
Hello again:
Firefox, is still not working with JAWS, even with the extended
support release. I downloaded and installed the ESR52.5 program,
and it is running.
But when I open firefox, I get this message:
"Display of tab content is disabled due to incompatibility with
your screen reader. Please update your screenreader, or switch to
firefox extended support release".
Does anyone have this problem even after installing ESR, how did
you get around it.
Or is there is fix for this new probllem created by firefox.
I did refresh firefox as suggested in the firefox help, but nothing
changed. In fact, I've now lost all my bookmarks.
Any help?
Ibrahim in Nigeria.












Re: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

Ron Pelletier
 

Hi,

Are you, by any chance, using Avast for an antivirus? I had that problem and got rid of it by removing Avast completely and going to another antivirus.

Just a thought

Ron & Danvers

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of moiz tundawala
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 4:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

Dear All,
JAWS 18 becomes slow and sluggish on my Windows 10 laptop after every few minutes. I get it back to working normally by unloading and reloading the application. Strangely enough, I have also noticed that JAWS starts working fine even after I open and close Kurzweil. But this lasts only a few minutes and the problem returns, until I repeat the cycle all over again.
I have tried doing a clean installation of JAWS and have also got my computer formatted. But nothing seems to be helping. What may be wrong here?
Thanks,
Moiz.


Re: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

moiz tundawala
 

Mario,
I run no other program at startup. My computer had the McAfee
antivirus which I have just uninstalled. I have now moved too Sophos.
Martin, Thanks for letting me know about microsoft accessibility. I
haven't tried getting in touch with them yet. Will do so and let you
know what happens.
Sieghard,
No, I haven't tried JAWS 2018. Will do that too and get back.
Thanks everyone.
Moiz.

On 11/27/17, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
Sorry, Richard, should read the entire thread before repeating the
suggestion somebody else has already made.
One other thing, Moiz, have you tried Jaws 2018 to see if it also does this?
If your SMNA doesn't cover it you can still download it and use it in
40-minute demo mode, from what you describe this will be long enough to see
if the problem occurs.

Regards,
Sieghard

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 9:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

I would also try Microsoft Accessibility and see if they can figure it out.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of moiz
tundawala
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 7:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

Dear Mario,
They asked me to uninstall JAWS with all its registry files and reinstall it
once again. I followed their instructions but this didn't solve the problem.
Then I got my computer formatted, but JAWS is as slow and sluggish as
before.
VFO just wrote back once again saying that some other programme might be
interfering with JAWS and that I should go into settings of programmes like
my antivirus and make an exception for Freedom Scientific. I have
uninstalled my antivirus completely to see what happens, but once again,
JAWS becomes slow after every few minutes.
Moiz.

On 11/27/17, Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com> wrote:
Moiz, please let us know what the tech did to fix the problem.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Alan Robbins [mailto:alan1057@me.com]
Sent: Monday, Nov 27, 2017 7:34 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

I would suggest contacting VFO via email or phone

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of moiz
tundawala
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 4:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 18 slow and sluggish on Windows 10

Dear All,
JAWS 18 becomes slow and sluggish on my Windows 10 laptop after every
few minutes. I get it back to working normally by unloading and
reloading the application. Strangely enough, I have also noticed that
JAWS starts working fine even after I open and close Kurzweil. But
this lasts only a few minutes and the problem returns, until I repeat
the cycle all over again.
I have tried doing a clean installation of JAWS and have also got my
computer formatted. But nothing seems to be helping. What may be wrong
here?
Thanks,
Moiz.







.