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Re: compacting Thunderbird

Mario
 

in addition to my previous post:

compacting applies not only to POP accounts but also to IMAP accounts as
it expunges (removes) the deleted mail from the server.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, Nov 26, 2017 12:50 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: compacting Thunderbird

I am not experiencing any issues except for a very occasional hiccup,
but I wonder if everyone who is using TB is/should be compacting it's
message database. check out the following for an explanation.
Compacting :- What is it and Why must I do it.
https://thunderbirdtweaks.blogspot.com/2011/07/compacting-what-is-it-and-why-must-i-do.html


Re: need recommendation for new PC

Carol Smith
 

Thank you, Kelly. I tried to listen to all of the information I received and find the most important options. I can always add on, which is one of the features I am making sure to have available to me. If this PC holds up physicaly, it should have enough of the important things to serve me for at least as long as my current one has, eight years. The one thing I didn't pay any attention to is the power supply. It seems I have had at least one replaced in every computer I have owned in the past.

Carol

On 11/26/2017 10:17 AM, Kelly Pierce wrote:
Carol,

I saw your post about the specifics of your new computer in another
thread. Congratulations on a solid purchase decision. By putting
processor speed ahead of disc drives, you will have a fast and
reliable machine for many years. Products are projects of negotiation
and compromise inside companies. SSD drives are much more expensive
than rotating disc drives. The vast majority want a fast computer with
the latest processor at a reasonable price. Only a very few geeks are
willing to pay significantly extra for the SSD and rotating disc
combination.

Kelly



On 11/26/17, Carol Smith via Groups.Io <carollablady=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Kelly,

Thank you. I am likely to get the PC I saw last night. It doesn't have
the SSD, but I have found some very reasonable and hope to be able to
get someone that can help me with Win10 so I can make it my main drive.

Carol



On 11/25/2017 1:19 PM, Kelly Pierce wrote:
Carol,

SSD drives do not slow down with more data stored on them like
rotating disc drives. With disc drives, data is scattered among
multiple platters in various physical places on the drive. The drive
head needs to travel to the various physical places on the different
platters to access different files on the disc. The fuller the disc,
the greater distance the drive head needs to travel. On an SSD drive,
data can be accessed anywhere electronically without any moving parts.
Most notebooks only have SSD drives today. As Sieghard said, just put
your audio files and things that you rarely access on an external hard
disc drive. I have tens of thousands of audio tracks and they sit on
a two terabyte disc drive for when I want them. I must say though
that I have all my Bookshare books on my SSD drive and backed up to
both OneDrive and my hard disc. The same is true for my audio books
from the library.

If a computer is at the center of your life for information access,
then definitely get an i7. I am often creating documents or audio
files with more than 20 windows open, bringing data from each to
create a final product. If Carol is the kind of person who wants a
secondary computer or just sits on her rump and Web surfs, then an i5
could work easily. The issue is not what Carol needs but what Carol
wants, the efficiency desired and the ease of use obtained. I lived
with Windows XP until December 2013 because I did not like Windows 7
and wanted the instant startup with Windows 8.

Kelly




On 11/25/17, Carol Smith via Groups.Io <carollablady=aol.com@groups.io>
wrote:
Hi Sieghard,

I have one last question about the SSD. If I start getting lots of
files on the SSD, will it slow down in performance? If this is the
case, shouldn't I get a smaller SSD and only keep those files that must
reside there and place everthing else on a secondary or external drive?
Thank you for your help.

Carol



On 11/24/2017 8:21 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
With email you typically don't have a choice or at least it's much more
difficult to store your Outlook.pst file (if Outlook is what you use) on
a
different drive than the default used by Outlook.
Other stuff like documents and especially music files and pictures and
videos you should have on a different drive. It really depends on how
much
data you have and how large of an SSD you buy, if you have a 480 Gb or
512
Gb SSD and you only have 100 or 200 Gb of stuff then you might as well
have it on the SSD.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol
Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Sieghard,

I think I have received more information today on this subject than I
have
ever received, grin. I have a lot to think about. One question, is it
best to install all programs to the SSD and store their results on a
different drive, i.e. load Goldwave from drive c and write results to
drive d, or should I write results to drive c also and then move the
files
to drive d? Should my documents and email , etc be stored on drive c?

Carol


On 11/24/2017 4:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Carol,

Just take a look at what is out there at a good deal. As others have
pointed out, 8 Gb of RAM is pretty good, I don't subscribe to Kelly's
believe that you need the latest i7 processor, most of my PC's at my
store have I5 processors and they do just fine, but if the price
difference is not too big then there is no reason to go with an I7.
I think if I had a choice between an I7 PC with a regular hard drive
and
an I5 option with an SSD for a similar price then I'd choose the I5
with
SSD because you do get much better performance from an SSD. Of course
if
you have tons of data you might want a regular hard drive or you can
go
with a smaller SSD just for the OS and your applications and use a USB
3
external hard drive for your data.
SSD's are not bad now even the ones around 480 to 512 Gb, but the 240
Gb
ones are still cheaper and if you are not worried about lots of data
then
a smaller SSD will be just fine, even a 120 Gb is 3 times what you
need
to run just Windows and Office and a few other things.
Earlier this year I purchased a couple of HP Elite Mini PC's, these
are
not laptops, but just very small PC's. I really like them.

Regards,
Sieghard


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy
Barnett
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

You dont need a super expensive system. You do need the fastest I5
processor you can afford and 8GB of ram. Everything else is optional.
the onboard sound, video and network is fine.
A good SSD is very nice to have. I like Samsung myself.
256GB is fine for your OS and programs. A seperate multi TB HDD is
good
for music and other things like One drive and dropbox On 11/24/2017
6:00
AM, Carol Smith via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

I must get a new PC. I am looking for suggestions for one that will
meet the best use criteria for speech. Is 8g ram enough or should I
get 12? Should I get both SSD and SETA frives? If I neeed SSD, how
large should it be? Generally, which would be the best brand? I
know
this is a personal choice. I have had Dells for the last two
computers and am wondering if something else would be better. I have
Office 2007. Can I use 2007 on a win10 system or Should I get 2016?
My current PC is almost 8 years old and is beginning to do some wierd
stuff, so I thought I had better take care of getting a new one
before
this one gives up.

Finally, does anyone use a hybred and what do they think of it. I
know I do not want a notebook, so it must be either a hybred, a
decent
laptop or another desktop. Thanks for any suggestions. Oh yes, I
would like to get one on sale today, grin.

Carol








compacting Thunderbird

Mario
 

I am not experiencing any issues except for a very occasional hiccup,
but I wonder if everyone who is using TB is/should be compacting it's
message database. check out the following for an explanation.
Compacting :- What is it and Why must I do it.
https://thunderbirdtweaks.blogspot.com/2011/07/compacting-what-is-it-and-why-must-i-do.html


Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Carol Smith
 

Hi Les,

Thank you. I never was much of an Office user. I didn't like all of the extra chatter. You know, the things like themes, styles and some other stuff that I can't tell you what it was, grin. Anyway, I think I shall still install it as it will be needed for other things.

Carol

On 11/26/2017 8:34 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
Carol, I had a system with 8 GB of RAM, and now have one with 16. I see a major speed increase with loading of Office Programs. It makes my 8 GB system seem almost slow. Good luck.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 6:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

I should also add that I am not totally set on getting Pro, and, if I find I need it later, I am sure Microsoft won't mind selling me an upgrade, grin.

Also, I don't think I need 16g ram, but that is what it comes with, so I won't worry about it. My biggest thing is the SSD and I am sure I should be able to tork that out.

Carol


On 11/25/2017 10:22 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Carol,

What do you do that requires Windows 10 Pro, just curious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 6:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

HaHaHaHa!! Yes, I am going to tell. I just finished looking at one and am almost considering it. It is a Dell xsp. Here are some of the specs:

I-7 quad core, 3.2
16 g ram
2 t hard drive (I want an SSD)
Win10 home, I want Pro
1 DVD/CD drive (doesn't say plus or minus) a wired keyboard and laser mouse does not come with Office It has an HDMI port, BlueTooth WiFi, 2 USB2 ports, and the rest of the ports are USB 3, 3-c and 3-1, totaling 12 ports. There is one SD slot which will handle SD, SDHC and SDXC.
Graphic CardNVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050Ti

OK, folks, there you have it. Price right now (Black Friday) $999 + $15 shipping and Indiana sales tax. So, that means I also need to buy the SSD and Office. There is no monitor, but I should be able to plug in my old VGA. Thanks to all that made suggestions.

Carol


On 11/25/2017 7:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Now after all that you won't tell us what you decided to get so a
dozen of us on the list can tell you why you should and why you
shouldn't get that particular PC *smile*


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 3:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Thank you. I think I have made my decision. Now, I need to start working on where I will get it.

Carol

On 11/25/2017 2:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I have some 480 Gb SSD's and have quite a bit of stuff on there and I don't notice a major slow-down.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 4:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Sieghard,

I have one last question about the SSD. If I start getting lots of files on the SSD, will it slow down in performance? If this is the case, shouldn't I get a smaller SSD and only keep those files that must reside there and place everthing else on a secondary or external drive?
Thank you for your help.

Carol



On 11/24/2017 8:21 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
With email you typically don't have a choice or at least it's much more difficult to store your Outlook.pst file (if Outlook is what you use) on a different drive than the default used by Outlook.
Other stuff like documents and especially music files and pictures and videos you should have on a different drive. It really depends on how much data you have and how large of an SSD you buy, if you have a 480 Gb or 512 Gb SSD and you only have 100 or 200 Gb of stuff then you might as well have it on the SSD.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Sieghard,

I think I have received more information today on this subject than I have ever received, grin. I have a lot to think about. One question, is it best to install all programs to the SSD and store their results on a different drive, i.e. load Goldwave from drive c and write results to drive d, or should I write results to drive c also and then move the files to drive d? Should my documents and email , etc be stored on drive c?

Carol


On 11/24/2017 4:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Carol,

Just take a look at what is out there at a good deal. As others have pointed out, 8 Gb of RAM is pretty good, I don't subscribe to Kelly's believe that you need the latest i7 processor, most of my PC's at my store have I5 processors and they do just fine, but if the price difference is not too big then there is no reason to go with an I7.
I think if I had a choice between an I7 PC with a regular hard drive and an I5 option with an SSD for a similar price then I'd choose the I5 with SSD because you do get much better performance from an SSD. Of course if you have tons of data you might want a regular hard drive or you can go with a smaller SSD just for the OS and your applications and use a USB 3 external hard drive for your data.
SSD's are not bad now even the ones around 480 to 512 Gb, but the 240 Gb ones are still cheaper and if you are not worried about lots of data then a smaller SSD will be just fine, even a 120 Gb is 3 times what you need to run just Windows and Office and a few other things.
Earlier this year I purchased a couple of HP Elite Mini PC's, these are not laptops, but just very small PC's. I really like them.

Regards,
Sieghard


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

You dont need a super expensive system. You do need the fastest I5 processor you can afford and 8GB of ram. Everything else is optional.
the onboard sound, video and network is fine.
A good SSD is very nice to have. I like Samsung myself.
256GB is fine for your OS and programs. A seperate multi TB HDD is good for music and other things like One drive and dropbox On 11/24/2017 6:00 AM, Carol Smith via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

I must get a new PC. I am looking for suggestions for one that
will meet the best use criteria for speech. Is 8g ram enough or
should I get 12? Should I get both SSD and SETA frives? If I
neeed SSD, how large should it be? Generally, which would be the
best brand? I know this is a personal choice. I have had Dells
for the last two computers and am wondering if something else
would be better. I have Office 2007. Can I use 2007 on a win10 system or Should I get 2016?
My current PC is almost 8 years old and is beginning to do some
wierd stuff, so I thought I had better take care of getting a new
one before this one gives up.

Finally, does anyone use a hybred and what do they think of it.
I know I do not want a notebook, so it must be either a hybred, a
decent laptop or another desktop. Thanks for any suggestions.
Oh yes, I would like to get one on sale today, grin.

Carol














Re: Screen Readers Can't Talk After Upgrading Jaws to 2018

netbat66
 

try looking in the control panel in sounds.
see what sound device the computer is useing.
then check your screen readers sound device it is useing. they may not be the same.
normaly they will say use default device.

but i have mine set to the speakers. then if for some reason the computer grimalon changes devices the screen readers will continue to use the speakers.
i don't know if there sound card settings you can change in narrator.
do this with a friend because if you check the wrong device you could end up with no sound at all. grin.
do you have two sound cards. like the on board and or a plug in card?
the screen readers and system sounds might be useing different sound devices.

-----Original Message-----
From: James Lee
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 7:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Screen Readers Can't Talk After Upgrading Jaws to 2018

Hi All,

After upgrading my Jaws from 18 to 2018, I got into a very strange
situation. Screen readers (,Jaws, NVDA, Narrator) can't speak. but,
sound is working fine. I checked the speaker setting, and the output
is set correctly.
I even completely reset my pc by selecting erasing everything.
After the reset was finished, Cortana came up, and I was able to
complete the windows setup with Narrator.
However, soon after my desktop was up, Narrator stopped talking, and I
could only hear the short sound effects when navigating.
Then I installed Jaws with a sighted person. However, Jaws couldn't talk either.
I tried to install NVDA, and I only hear the startup sound, with no speech.
I reset the PC again. The speech came back during the windows setup.
However, after the desktop came up, speech was gone again.
It seems like when Windows 10 pulls down my user settings from
Microsoft Account after the initial Windows setup, the speech gets
muted somehow.
Sound is working fine, but none of my screen readers could output speech.
Any idea what might be causing this?
I'm using Windows 10 Version 1703 (Creators Update) with Jaws 2018.
Thanks,

JL


Re: doc files

Brice Mijares <bricemijares@...>
 

Thank you CathyAnne Also have you ever hear of the following. I was looking at a recipe and said something like 1/2 cup flour. NVDA echos that line as1 slash 2 cuban pesos flour.
It must be a NVDA thing, because I just tried reading that same line with Window Eyes and it worked just fine. Tried Jaws, but could not get jaws to work in the Thunderbird mail client.

On 11/26/2017 8:28 AM, CathyAnne Murtha wrote:
Yes. That’s all you need to do. WordPad will display the document perfectly.
CathyAnne
---
CathyAnne Murtha
CEO
Access Technology Institute, LLC
www.blind.training
cathy@blind.training
Phone: (520) 300-7859
On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 9:22 AM -0700, "Brice Mijares" <bricemijares@att.net <mailto:bricemijares@att.net>> wrote:
Cathy, please explain how this is done. Do you open wordpad and then
open the doc file? Thank you.
On 11/26/2017 8:06 AM, CathyAnne Murtha wrote:
> You can read .doc and .docx files with WordPad in Windows.
> CathyAnne
> CathyAnne Murtha
> Access Technology Institute, LLC
> cathy@blind.training
> www.blind.training
> (520) 300-7859
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 1:58 PM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: doc files
> will HJ pad read doc files? Thanks in advance.
>


Re: doc files

Brice Mijares <bricemijares@...>
 

I'll have to check this out. Thanks for the info.

On 11/26/2017 8:28 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
If memory serves, when you attempt to open the .doc file, you will be prompted to choose a program to open it with. Wordpad should be on the list of available programs on your computer.  Jarte, the free word processing program, will also open .doc files.
Gerald
-----Original Message----- From: Brice Mijares
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 11:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: doc files
Cathy, please explain how this is done. Do you open wordpad and then
open the doc file? Thank you.
On 11/26/2017 8:06 AM, CathyAnne Murtha wrote:
You can read .doc and .docx files with WordPad in Windows.


CathyAnne


CathyAnne Murtha
Access Technology Institute, LLC
cathy@blind.training
www.blind.training
(520) 300-7859



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 1:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: doc files

will HJ pad read doc files? Thanks in advance.







Re: doc files

CathyAnne Murtha
 

Yes. That’s all you need to do. WordPad will display the document perfectly.

CathyAnne

---

CathyAnne Murtha
CEO
Access Technology Institute, LLC
www.blind.training
cathy@...
Phone: (520) 300-7859



On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 9:22 AM -0700, "Brice Mijares" <bricemijares@...> wrote:

Cathy, please explain how this is done. Do you open wordpad and then 
open the doc file? Thank you.

On 11/26/2017 8:06 AM, CathyAnne Murtha wrote:
> You can read .doc and .docx files with WordPad in Windows.
> 
> 
> CathyAnne
> 
> 
> CathyAnne Murtha
> Access Technology Institute, LLC
> cathy@...
> www.blind.training
> (520) 300-7859
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 1:58 PM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: doc files
> 
> will HJ pad read doc files? Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 




Re: doc files

Gerald Levy
 

If memory serves, when you attempt to open the .doc file, you will be prompted to choose a program to open it with. Wordpad should be on the list of available programs on your computer. Jarte, the free word processing program, will also open .doc files.

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: Brice Mijares
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 11:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: doc files

Cathy, please explain how this is done. Do you open wordpad and then
open the doc file? Thank you.

On 11/26/2017 8:06 AM, CathyAnne Murtha wrote:
You can read .doc and .docx files with WordPad in Windows.


CathyAnne


CathyAnne Murtha
Access Technology Institute, LLC
cathy@blind.training
www.blind.training
(520) 300-7859



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 1:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: doc files

will HJ pad read doc files? Thanks in advance.







Re: doc files

Brice Mijares <bricemijares@...>
 

Cathy, please explain how this is done. Do you open wordpad and then open the doc file? Thank you.

On 11/26/2017 8:06 AM, CathyAnne Murtha wrote:
You can read .doc and .docx files with WordPad in Windows.
CathyAnne
CathyAnne Murtha
Access Technology Institute, LLC
cathy@blind.training
www.blind.training
(520) 300-7859
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 1:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: doc files
will HJ pad read doc files? Thanks in advance.


Re: Web site message

Laura Richardson
 

Thank you …… This is quite helpful to know and I’ll give it a try next time this issue comes up ……

 

Laura

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 2:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web site message

 

You are in a pdf document and the options you are hearing are the accessibility options for how you want your screen reader to read the page. Try tabbing until you hear a button that says something like start. Press enter at that point and you should soon hear the document being read.

 

I hope this helps.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

The happy ending still beckons, and it is in the hope of grasping it that we go on.—Annie Proulx


On Nov 26, 2017, at 2:15 AM, Laura Richardson <laurakr65@...> wrote:

Hello,

 

When I went to a web site I got the following message:

Infer reading order from document (recommended)

 Left- to – right top – to – bottom reading order

Use reading order in raw print stream

 

There is nothing to click on …… I cannot back out of this site with back space or alt + left arrow …… I cannot go to favorites with alt + a …… The only way to get off this site is alt + f4 which takes me off the internet completely.

 

Has anybody come across this situation?  If so, do you have any suggestions or remedies? …… Using Jaws 18, Windows 10 & Internet Explorer.

 

Thank you,

Laura

 

 


Re: doc files

CathyAnne Murtha
 

You can read .doc and .docx files with WordPad in Windows.


CathyAnne


CathyAnne Murtha
Access Technology Institute, LLC
cathy@blind.training
www.blind.training
(520) 300-7859

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 1:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: doc files

will HJ pad read doc files? Thanks in advance.


Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

In case Tony didn't give you newegg.com's number, it is:

(800) 390-1119

I hope this helps you.
Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 7:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Tony, what is the number for newegg's disability line?
thanks in advance.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Tony [mailto:tony@k5twz.com]
Sent: Sunday, Nov 26, 2017 10:30 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

You can probably have Dell add the SSD and install windows on it with
the 2TB as a second drive. Probably cost more but would save you the
trouble.

Newegg has a disability phone line. They don't take orders on it but
can help you with anything else. I've used it a couple of times over
the years and they are usually very good. Their free shipping has
slowed a bit but is still faster than advertised.

The rebates are frequently not available if you have another discount
code from an e-mail. You usually get the rebate on top of store
discounts. Check for the Dell coupons and restrictions on
Mrrebates.com. Never hurts to try it.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol
Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 5:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Tony,

Thanks for the information. There is a 15% discount for Black Friday,
but I am not sure if it will still be in place by tomorrow. I wonder if
I could try both, grin. (Just kidding)

How in the world do you ever get anything from New Egg? I have never
been successful at it. I will definitely check that out. Also, if I get
the one with the 2t drive, can I still get Win10 on my new SSD? I think
Microsoft might not like me having two copies of it, although it would
be on the same pc.

Carol


On 11/25/2017 11:29 PM, Tony wrote:
I sent you a referral to MrRebates.com. I'm not sure it went through.
Dell is currently offering 15% rebate if you go to Mrrebates.com and
then look for dell and order. It takes 90 days to get the rebate but
it would be a nice check for you. Also, there are many other
companies that give rebates. Just be sure to reach them via
mrrebates.com

You get $5 and I get a referral bonus if you sign up through the message
I sent or list me as a referral. You get the same rebate with or
without my referral. Anyone can go directly and sign up with them.
Using my e-mail for the referral would be appreciated but not necessary.

Sounds like a good machine you have chosen. Newegg.com has 240GB SSDs
for under $80 at present.

Tony


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 5:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Thank you. I think I have made my decision. Now, I need to start
working on where I will get it.

Carol

On 11/25/2017 2:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I have some 480 Gb SSD's and have quite a bit of stuff on there and I
don't notice a major slow-down.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 4:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Sieghard,

I have one last question about the SSD. If I start getting lots of
files on the SSD, will it slow down in performance? If this is the
case, shouldn't I get a smaller SSD and only keep those files that must
reside there and place everthing else on a secondary or external drive?
Thank you for your help.

Carol



On 11/24/2017 8:21 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
With email you typically don't have a choice or at least it's much more
difficult to store your Outlook.pst file (if Outlook is what you use) on
a different drive than the default used by Outlook.
Other stuff like documents and especially music files and pictures and
videos you should have on a different drive. It really depends on how
much data you have and how large of an SSD you buy, if you have a 480 Gb
or 512 Gb SSD and you only have 100 or 200 Gb of stuff then you might as
well have it on the SSD.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Sieghard,

I think I have received more information today on this subject than I
have ever received, grin. I have a lot to think about. One question, is
it best to install all programs to the SSD and store their results on a
different drive, i.e. load Goldwave from drive c and write results to
drive d, or should I write results to drive c also and then move the
files to drive d? Should my documents and email , etc be stored on drive c?

Carol


On 11/24/2017 4:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Carol,

Just take a look at what is out there at a good deal. As others have
pointed out, 8 Gb of RAM is pretty good, I don't subscribe to Kelly's
believe that you need the latest i7 processor, most of my PC's at my
store have I5 processors and they do just fine, but if the price
difference is not too big then there is no reason to go with an I7.
I think if I had a choice between an I7 PC with a regular hard drive and
an I5 option with an SSD for a similar price then I'd choose the I5 with
SSD because you do get much better performance from an SSD. Of course if
you have tons of data you might want a regular hard drive or you can go
with a smaller SSD just for the OS and your applications and use a USB 3
external hard drive for your data.
SSD's are not bad now even the ones around 480 to 512 Gb, but the 240 Gb
ones are still cheaper and if you are not worried about lots of data
then a smaller SSD will be just fine, even a 120 Gb is 3 times what you
need to run just Windows and Office and a few other things.
Earlier this year I purchased a couple of HP Elite Mini PC's, these are
not laptops, but just very small PC's. I really like them.

Regards,
Sieghard


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

You dont need a super expensive system. You do need the fastest I5
processor you can afford and 8GB of ram. Everything else is optional.
the onboard sound, video and network is fine.
A good SSD is very nice to have. I like Samsung myself.
256GB is fine for your OS and programs. A seperate multi TB HDD is good
for music and other things like One drive and dropbox On 11/24/2017 6:00
AM, Carol Smith via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

I must get a new PC. I am looking for suggestions for one that
will meet the best use criteria for speech. Is 8g ram enough or
should I get 12? Should I get both SSD and SETA frives? If I
neeed SSD, how large should it be? Generally, which would be the
best brand? I know this is a personal choice. I have had Dells
for the last two computers and am wondering if something else
would be better. I have Office 2007. Can I use 2007 on a win10 system
or Should I get 2016?
My current PC is almost 8 years old and is beginning to do some
wierd stuff, so I thought I had better take care of getting a new
one before this one gives up.

Finally, does anyone use a hybred and what do they think of it. I
know I do not want a notebook, so it must be either a hybred, a
decent laptop or another desktop. Thanks for any suggestions. Oh
yes, I would like to get one on sale today, grin.

Carol




























.


Re: Screen Readers Can't Talk After Upgrading Jaws to 2018

Richard Turner
 

I have two suggestions.
1. Call Microsoft Accessibility support: 800-936-5900
2. Install the Fall Creator edition 1709 and make sure you have the latest JAWS build which ends in 42 which is on the FreedomScientific downloads page.
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Nov 26, 2017, at 7:37 AM, James Lee <jameslee303@...> wrote:

Hi All,

After upgrading my Jaws from 18 to 2018, I got into a very strange
situation. Screen readers (,Jaws, NVDA, Narrator) can't speak. but,
sound is working fine. I checked the speaker setting, and the output
is set correctly.
I even completely reset my pc by selecting erasing everything.
After the reset was finished, Cortana came up, and I was able to
complete the windows setup with Narrator.
However, soon after my desktop was up, Narrator stopped talking, and I
could only hear the short sound effects when navigating.
Then I installed Jaws with a sighted person. However, Jaws couldn't talk either.
I tried to install NVDA, and I only hear the startup sound, with no speech.
I reset the PC again. The speech came back during the windows setup.
However, after the desktop came up, speech was gone again.
It seems like when Windows 10 pulls down my user settings from
Microsoft Account after the initial Windows setup, the speech gets
muted somehow.
Sound is working fine, but none of my screen readers could output speech.
Any idea what might be causing this?
I'm using Windows 10 Version 1703 (Creators Update) with Jaws 2018.
Thanks,

JL




Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Mario
 

Tony, what is the number for newegg's disability line?
thanks in advance.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Tony [mailto:tony@k5twz.com]
Sent: Sunday, Nov 26, 2017 10:30 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

You can probably have Dell add the SSD and install windows on it with
the 2TB as a second drive. Probably cost more but would save you the
trouble.

Newegg has a disability phone line. They don't take orders on it but
can help you with anything else. I've used it a couple of times over
the years and they are usually very good. Their free shipping has
slowed a bit but is still faster than advertised.

The rebates are frequently not available if you have another discount
code from an e-mail. You usually get the rebate on top of store
discounts. Check for the Dell coupons and restrictions on
Mrrebates.com. Never hurts to try it.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol
Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 5:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Tony,

Thanks for the information. There is a 15% discount for Black Friday,
but I am not sure if it will still be in place by tomorrow. I wonder if
I could try both, grin. (Just kidding)

How in the world do you ever get anything from New Egg? I have never
been successful at it. I will definitely check that out. Also, if I get
the one with the 2t drive, can I still get Win10 on my new SSD? I think
Microsoft might not like me having two copies of it, although it would
be on the same pc.

Carol


On 11/25/2017 11:29 PM, Tony wrote:
I sent you a referral to MrRebates.com. I'm not sure it went through.
Dell is currently offering 15% rebate if you go to Mrrebates.com and
then look for dell and order. It takes 90 days to get the rebate but
it would be a nice check for you. Also, there are many other
companies that give rebates. Just be sure to reach them via
mrrebates.com

You get $5 and I get a referral bonus if you sign up through the message
I sent or list me as a referral. You get the same rebate with or
without my referral. Anyone can go directly and sign up with them.
Using my e-mail for the referral would be appreciated but not necessary.

Sounds like a good machine you have chosen. Newegg.com has 240GB SSDs
for under $80 at present.

Tony


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 5:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Thank you. I think I have made my decision. Now, I need to start
working on where I will get it.

Carol

On 11/25/2017 2:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I have some 480 Gb SSD's and have quite a bit of stuff on there and I
don't notice a major slow-down.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 4:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Sieghard,

I have one last question about the SSD. If I start getting lots of
files on the SSD, will it slow down in performance? If this is the
case, shouldn't I get a smaller SSD and only keep those files that must
reside there and place everthing else on a secondary or external drive?
Thank you for your help.

Carol



On 11/24/2017 8:21 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
With email you typically don't have a choice or at least it's much more
difficult to store your Outlook.pst file (if Outlook is what you use) on
a different drive than the default used by Outlook.
Other stuff like documents and especially music files and pictures and
videos you should have on a different drive. It really depends on how
much data you have and how large of an SSD you buy, if you have a 480 Gb
or 512 Gb SSD and you only have 100 or 200 Gb of stuff then you might as
well have it on the SSD.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Sieghard,

I think I have received more information today on this subject than I
have ever received, grin. I have a lot to think about. One question, is
it best to install all programs to the SSD and store their results on a
different drive, i.e. load Goldwave from drive c and write results to
drive d, or should I write results to drive c also and then move the
files to drive d? Should my documents and email , etc be stored on drive c?

Carol


On 11/24/2017 4:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Carol,

Just take a look at what is out there at a good deal. As others have
pointed out, 8 Gb of RAM is pretty good, I don't subscribe to Kelly's
believe that you need the latest i7 processor, most of my PC's at my
store have I5 processors and they do just fine, but if the price
difference is not too big then there is no reason to go with an I7.
I think if I had a choice between an I7 PC with a regular hard drive and
an I5 option with an SSD for a similar price then I'd choose the I5 with
SSD because you do get much better performance from an SSD. Of course if
you have tons of data you might want a regular hard drive or you can go
with a smaller SSD just for the OS and your applications and use a USB 3
external hard drive for your data.
SSD's are not bad now even the ones around 480 to 512 Gb, but the 240 Gb
ones are still cheaper and if you are not worried about lots of data
then a smaller SSD will be just fine, even a 120 Gb is 3 times what you
need to run just Windows and Office and a few other things.
Earlier this year I purchased a couple of HP Elite Mini PC's, these are
not laptops, but just very small PC's. I really like them.

Regards,
Sieghard


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

You dont need a super expensive system. You do need the fastest I5
processor you can afford and 8GB of ram. Everything else is optional.
the onboard sound, video and network is fine.
A good SSD is very nice to have. I like Samsung myself.
256GB is fine for your OS and programs. A seperate multi TB HDD is good
for music and other things like One drive and dropbox On 11/24/2017 6:00
AM, Carol Smith via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

I must get a new PC. I am looking for suggestions for one that
will meet the best use criteria for speech. Is 8g ram enough or
should I get 12? Should I get both SSD and SETA frives? If I
neeed SSD, how large should it be? Generally, which would be the
best brand? I know this is a personal choice. I have had Dells
for the last two computers and am wondering if something else
would be better. I have Office 2007. Can I use 2007 on a win10 system
or Should I get 2016?
My current PC is almost 8 years old and is beginning to do some
wierd stuff, so I thought I had better take care of getting a new
one before this one gives up.

Finally, does anyone use a hybred and what do they think of it. I
know I do not want a notebook, so it must be either a hybred, a
decent laptop or another desktop. Thanks for any suggestions. Oh
yes, I would like to get one on sale today, grin.

Carol




























.


Re: Web site message

Laura Richardson
 

Thank you …… This is very helpful and I’ll give it a try next time this happens.

 

Laura

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stan Holdeman
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 4:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Web site message

 

You have opened a PDF document which needs to be processed before it can be read. If you tab in that message a time or two you should get to OK. Hit enter. You may hear it saying processing page 1 of 6 or some such information depending on the size of the document. When finished you should be able to use jaws to read.

 

Stan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 2:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Web site message

 

Hello,

 

When I went to a web site I got the following message:

Infer reading order from document (recommended)

 Left- to – right top – to – bottom reading order

Use reading order in raw print stream

 

There is nothing to click on …… I cannot back out of this site with back space or alt + left arrow …… I cannot go to favorites with alt + a …… The only way to get off this site is alt + f4 which takes me off the internet completely.

 

Has anybody come across this situation?  If so, do you have any suggestions or remedies? …… Using Jaws 18, Windows 10 & Internet Explorer.

 

Thank you,

Laura

 

 


Screen Readers Can't Talk After Upgrading Jaws to 2018

James Lee
 

Hi All,

After upgrading my Jaws from 18 to 2018, I got into a very strange
situation. Screen readers (,Jaws, NVDA, Narrator) can't speak. but,
sound is working fine. I checked the speaker setting, and the output
is set correctly.
I even completely reset my pc by selecting erasing everything.
After the reset was finished, Cortana came up, and I was able to
complete the windows setup with Narrator.
However, soon after my desktop was up, Narrator stopped talking, and I
could only hear the short sound effects when navigating.
Then I installed Jaws with a sighted person. However, Jaws couldn't talk either.
I tried to install NVDA, and I only hear the startup sound, with no speech.
I reset the PC again. The speech came back during the windows setup.
However, after the desktop came up, speech was gone again.
It seems like when Windows 10 pulls down my user settings from
Microsoft Account after the initial Windows setup, the speech gets
muted somehow.
Sound is working fine, but none of my screen readers could output speech.
Any idea what might be causing this?
I'm using Windows 10 Version 1703 (Creators Update) with Jaws 2018.
Thanks,

JL


Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Tony
 

You can probably have Dell add the SSD and install windows on it with the 2TB as a second drive. Probably cost more but would save you the trouble.

Newegg has a disability phone line. They don't take orders on it but can help you with anything else. I've used it a couple of times over the years and they are usually very good. Their free shipping has slowed a bit but is still faster than advertised.

The rebates are frequently not available if you have another discount code from an e-mail. You usually get the rebate on top of store discounts. Check for the Dell coupons and restrictions on Mrrebates.com. Never hurts to try it.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 5:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Tony,

Thanks for the information. There is a 15% discount for Black Friday, but I am not sure if it will still be in place by tomorrow. I wonder if I could try both, grin. (Just kidding)

How in the world do you ever get anything from New Egg? I have never been successful at it. I will definitely check that out. Also, if I get the one with the 2t drive, can I still get Win10 on my new SSD? I think Microsoft might not like me having two copies of it, although it would be on the same pc.

Carol


On 11/25/2017 11:29 PM, Tony wrote:
I sent you a referral to MrRebates.com. I'm not sure it went through.
Dell is currently offering 15% rebate if you go to Mrrebates.com and
then look for dell and order. It takes 90 days to get the rebate but
it would be a nice check for you. Also, there are many other
companies that give rebates. Just be sure to reach them via
mrrebates.com

You get $5 and I get a referral bonus if you sign up through the message I sent or list me as a referral. You get the same rebate with or without my referral. Anyone can go directly and sign up with them. Using my e-mail for the referral would be appreciated but not necessary.

Sounds like a good machine you have chosen. Newegg.com has 240GB SSDs for under $80 at present.

Tony


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 5:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Thank you. I think I have made my decision. Now, I need to start working on where I will get it.

Carol

On 11/25/2017 2:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I have some 480 Gb SSD's and have quite a bit of stuff on there and I don't notice a major slow-down.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 4:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Sieghard,

I have one last question about the SSD. If I start getting lots of files on the SSD, will it slow down in performance? If this is the case, shouldn't I get a smaller SSD and only keep those files that must reside there and place everthing else on a secondary or external drive?
Thank you for your help.

Carol



On 11/24/2017 8:21 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
With email you typically don't have a choice or at least it's much more difficult to store your Outlook.pst file (if Outlook is what you use) on a different drive than the default used by Outlook.
Other stuff like documents and especially music files and pictures and videos you should have on a different drive. It really depends on how much data you have and how large of an SSD you buy, if you have a 480 Gb or 512 Gb SSD and you only have 100 or 200 Gb of stuff then you might as well have it on the SSD.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Sieghard,

I think I have received more information today on this subject than I have ever received, grin. I have a lot to think about. One question, is it best to install all programs to the SSD and store their results on a different drive, i.e. load Goldwave from drive c and write results to drive d, or should I write results to drive c also and then move the files to drive d? Should my documents and email , etc be stored on drive c?

Carol


On 11/24/2017 4:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Carol,

Just take a look at what is out there at a good deal. As others have pointed out, 8 Gb of RAM is pretty good, I don't subscribe to Kelly's believe that you need the latest i7 processor, most of my PC's at my store have I5 processors and they do just fine, but if the price difference is not too big then there is no reason to go with an I7.
I think if I had a choice between an I7 PC with a regular hard drive and an I5 option with an SSD for a similar price then I'd choose the I5 with SSD because you do get much better performance from an SSD. Of course if you have tons of data you might want a regular hard drive or you can go with a smaller SSD just for the OS and your applications and use a USB 3 external hard drive for your data.
SSD's are not bad now even the ones around 480 to 512 Gb, but the 240 Gb ones are still cheaper and if you are not worried about lots of data then a smaller SSD will be just fine, even a 120 Gb is 3 times what you need to run just Windows and Office and a few other things.
Earlier this year I purchased a couple of HP Elite Mini PC's, these are not laptops, but just very small PC's. I really like them.

Regards,
Sieghard


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

You dont need a super expensive system. You do need the fastest I5 processor you can afford and 8GB of ram. Everything else is optional.
the onboard sound, video and network is fine.
A good SSD is very nice to have. I like Samsung myself.
256GB is fine for your OS and programs. A seperate multi TB HDD is good for music and other things like One drive and dropbox On 11/24/2017 6:00 AM, Carol Smith via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

I must get a new PC. I am looking for suggestions for one that
will meet the best use criteria for speech. Is 8g ram enough or
should I get 12? Should I get both SSD and SETA frives? If I
neeed SSD, how large should it be? Generally, which would be the
best brand? I know this is a personal choice. I have had Dells
for the last two computers and am wondering if something else
would be better. I have Office 2007. Can I use 2007 on a win10 system or Should I get 2016?
My current PC is almost 8 years old and is beginning to do some
wierd stuff, so I thought I had better take care of getting a new
one before this one gives up.

Finally, does anyone use a hybred and what do they think of it. I
know I do not want a notebook, so it must be either a hybred, a
decent laptop or another desktop. Thanks for any suggestions. Oh
yes, I would like to get one on sale today, grin.

Carol














Re: need recommendation for new PC

Kelly Pierce
 

Carol,

I saw your post about the specifics of your new computer in another
thread. Congratulations on a solid purchase decision. By putting
processor speed ahead of disc drives, you will have a fast and
reliable machine for many years. Products are projects of negotiation
and compromise inside companies. SSD drives are much more expensive
than rotating disc drives. The vast majority want a fast computer with
the latest processor at a reasonable price. Only a very few geeks are
willing to pay significantly extra for the SSD and rotating disc
combination.

Kelly

On 11/26/17, Carol Smith via Groups.Io <carollablady=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Kelly,

Thank you. I am likely to get the PC I saw last night. It doesn't have
the SSD, but I have found some very reasonable and hope to be able to
get someone that can help me with Win10 so I can make it my main drive.

Carol



On 11/25/2017 1:19 PM, Kelly Pierce wrote:
Carol,

SSD drives do not slow down with more data stored on them like
rotating disc drives. With disc drives, data is scattered among
multiple platters in various physical places on the drive. The drive
head needs to travel to the various physical places on the different
platters to access different files on the disc. The fuller the disc,
the greater distance the drive head needs to travel. On an SSD drive,
data can be accessed anywhere electronically without any moving parts.
Most notebooks only have SSD drives today. As Sieghard said, just put
your audio files and things that you rarely access on an external hard
disc drive. I have tens of thousands of audio tracks and they sit on
a two terabyte disc drive for when I want them. I must say though
that I have all my Bookshare books on my SSD drive and backed up to
both OneDrive and my hard disc. The same is true for my audio books
from the library.

If a computer is at the center of your life for information access,
then definitely get an i7. I am often creating documents or audio
files with more than 20 windows open, bringing data from each to
create a final product. If Carol is the kind of person who wants a
secondary computer or just sits on her rump and Web surfs, then an i5
could work easily. The issue is not what Carol needs but what Carol
wants, the efficiency desired and the ease of use obtained. I lived
with Windows XP until December 2013 because I did not like Windows 7
and wanted the instant startup with Windows 8.

Kelly




On 11/25/17, Carol Smith via Groups.Io <carollablady=aol.com@groups.io>
wrote:
Hi Sieghard,

I have one last question about the SSD. If I start getting lots of
files on the SSD, will it slow down in performance? If this is the
case, shouldn't I get a smaller SSD and only keep those files that must
reside there and place everthing else on a secondary or external drive?
Thank you for your help.

Carol



On 11/24/2017 8:21 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
With email you typically don't have a choice or at least it's much more
difficult to store your Outlook.pst file (if Outlook is what you use) on
a
different drive than the default used by Outlook.
Other stuff like documents and especially music files and pictures and
videos you should have on a different drive. It really depends on how
much
data you have and how large of an SSD you buy, if you have a 480 Gb or
512
Gb SSD and you only have 100 or 200 Gb of stuff then you might as well
have it on the SSD.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol
Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Sieghard,

I think I have received more information today on this subject than I
have
ever received, grin. I have a lot to think about. One question, is it
best to install all programs to the SSD and store their results on a
different drive, i.e. load Goldwave from drive c and write results to
drive d, or should I write results to drive c also and then move the
files
to drive d? Should my documents and email , etc be stored on drive c?

Carol


On 11/24/2017 4:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Carol,

Just take a look at what is out there at a good deal. As others have
pointed out, 8 Gb of RAM is pretty good, I don't subscribe to Kelly's
believe that you need the latest i7 processor, most of my PC's at my
store have I5 processors and they do just fine, but if the price
difference is not too big then there is no reason to go with an I7.
I think if I had a choice between an I7 PC with a regular hard drive
and
an I5 option with an SSD for a similar price then I'd choose the I5
with
SSD because you do get much better performance from an SSD. Of course
if
you have tons of data you might want a regular hard drive or you can
go
with a smaller SSD just for the OS and your applications and use a USB
3
external hard drive for your data.
SSD's are not bad now even the ones around 480 to 512 Gb, but the 240
Gb
ones are still cheaper and if you are not worried about lots of data
then
a smaller SSD will be just fine, even a 120 Gb is 3 times what you
need
to run just Windows and Office and a few other things.
Earlier this year I purchased a couple of HP Elite Mini PC's, these
are
not laptops, but just very small PC's. I really like them.

Regards,
Sieghard


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy
Barnett
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

You dont need a super expensive system. You do need the fastest I5
processor you can afford and 8GB of ram. Everything else is optional.
the onboard sound, video and network is fine.
A good SSD is very nice to have. I like Samsung myself.
256GB is fine for your OS and programs. A seperate multi TB HDD is
good
for music and other things like One drive and dropbox On 11/24/2017
6:00
AM, Carol Smith via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

I must get a new PC. I am looking for suggestions for one that will
meet the best use criteria for speech. Is 8g ram enough or should I
get 12? Should I get both SSD and SETA frives? If I neeed SSD, how
large should it be? Generally, which would be the best brand? I
know
this is a personal choice. I have had Dells for the last two
computers and am wondering if something else would be better. I have
Office 2007. Can I use 2007 on a win10 system or Should I get 2016?
My current PC is almost 8 years old and is beginning to do some wierd
stuff, so I thought I had better take care of getting a new one
before
this one gives up.

Finally, does anyone use a hybred and what do they think of it. I
know I do not want a notebook, so it must be either a hybred, a
decent
laptop or another desktop. Thanks for any suggestions. Oh yes, I
would like to get one on sale today, grin.

Carol












Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Les Kriegler <kriegler@...>
 

Carol, I had a system with 8 GB of RAM, and now have one with 16. I see a major speed increase with loading of Office Programs. It makes my 8 GB system seem almost slow. Good luck.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 6:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

I should also add that I am not totally set on getting Pro, and, if I find I need it later, I am sure Microsoft won't mind selling me an upgrade, grin.

Also, I don't think I need 16g ram, but that is what it comes with, so I won't worry about it. My biggest thing is the SSD and I am sure I should be able to tork that out.

Carol


On 11/25/2017 10:22 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Carol,

What do you do that requires Windows 10 Pro, just curious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 6:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

HaHaHaHa!! Yes, I am going to tell. I just finished looking at one and am almost considering it. It is a Dell xsp. Here are some of the specs:

I-7 quad core, 3.2
16 g ram
2 t hard drive (I want an SSD)
Win10 home, I want Pro
1 DVD/CD drive (doesn't say plus or minus) a wired keyboard and laser mouse does not come with Office It has an HDMI port, BlueTooth WiFi, 2 USB2 ports, and the rest of the ports are USB 3, 3-c and 3-1, totaling 12 ports. There is one SD slot which will handle SD, SDHC and SDXC.
Graphic CardNVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050Ti

OK, folks, there you have it. Price right now (Black Friday) $999 + $15 shipping and Indiana sales tax. So, that means I also need to buy the SSD and Office. There is no monitor, but I should be able to plug in my old VGA. Thanks to all that made suggestions.

Carol


On 11/25/2017 7:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Now after all that you won't tell us what you decided to get so a
dozen of us on the list can tell you why you should and why you
shouldn't get that particular PC *smile*


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 3:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: decision made Re: need recommendation for new PC

Thank you. I think I have made my decision. Now, I need to start working on where I will get it.

Carol

On 11/25/2017 2:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I have some 480 Gb SSD's and have quite a bit of stuff on there and I don't notice a major slow-down.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 4:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Sieghard,

I have one last question about the SSD. If I start getting lots of files on the SSD, will it slow down in performance? If this is the case, shouldn't I get a smaller SSD and only keep those files that must reside there and place everthing else on a secondary or external drive?
Thank you for your help.

Carol



On 11/24/2017 8:21 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
With email you typically don't have a choice or at least it's much more difficult to store your Outlook.pst file (if Outlook is what you use) on a different drive than the default used by Outlook.
Other stuff like documents and especially music files and pictures and videos you should have on a different drive. It really depends on how much data you have and how large of an SSD you buy, if you have a 480 Gb or 512 Gb SSD and you only have 100 or 200 Gb of stuff then you might as well have it on the SSD.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

Hi Sieghard,

I think I have received more information today on this subject than I have ever received, grin. I have a lot to think about. One question, is it best to install all programs to the SSD and store their results on a different drive, i.e. load Goldwave from drive c and write results to drive d, or should I write results to drive c also and then move the files to drive d? Should my documents and email , etc be stored on drive c?

Carol


On 11/24/2017 4:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Carol,

Just take a look at what is out there at a good deal. As others have pointed out, 8 Gb of RAM is pretty good, I don't subscribe to Kelly's believe that you need the latest i7 processor, most of my PC's at my store have I5 processors and they do just fine, but if the price difference is not too big then there is no reason to go with an I7.
I think if I had a choice between an I7 PC with a regular hard drive and an I5 option with an SSD for a similar price then I'd choose the I5 with SSD because you do get much better performance from an SSD. Of course if you have tons of data you might want a regular hard drive or you can go with a smaller SSD just for the OS and your applications and use a USB 3 external hard drive for your data.
SSD's are not bad now even the ones around 480 to 512 Gb, but the 240 Gb ones are still cheaper and if you are not worried about lots of data then a smaller SSD will be just fine, even a 120 Gb is 3 times what you need to run just Windows and Office and a few other things.
Earlier this year I purchased a couple of HP Elite Mini PC's, these are not laptops, but just very small PC's. I really like them.

Regards,
Sieghard


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need recommendation for new PC

You dont need a super expensive system. You do need the fastest I5 processor you can afford and 8GB of ram. Everything else is optional.
the onboard sound, video and network is fine.
A good SSD is very nice to have. I like Samsung myself.
256GB is fine for your OS and programs. A seperate multi TB HDD is good for music and other things like One drive and dropbox On 11/24/2017 6:00 AM, Carol Smith via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

I must get a new PC. I am looking for suggestions for one that
will meet the best use criteria for speech. Is 8g ram enough or
should I get 12? Should I get both SSD and SETA frives? If I
neeed SSD, how large should it be? Generally, which would be the
best brand? I know this is a personal choice. I have had Dells
for the last two computers and am wondering if something else
would be better. I have Office 2007. Can I use 2007 on a win10 system or Should I get 2016?
My current PC is almost 8 years old and is beginning to do some
wierd stuff, so I thought I had better take care of getting a new
one before this one gives up.

Finally, does anyone use a hybred and what do they think of it.
I know I do not want a notebook, so it must be either a hybred, a
decent laptop or another desktop. Thanks for any suggestions.
Oh yes, I would like to get one on sale today, grin.

Carol