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Re: Crowd Funding

David & his pack of dogs
 

As someone who has been on social assistance, they don't care if you rob a bank as long as they don't have to put out the money for what you need. This way they can pay for their flat of donuts and coffee they received on the busiest day, cheque issuing day. Yes, a huge flat of coffee and donuts from Tim Horton's was received by a staff member for a meeting first thing in the morning. Sorry, I refer to the social assistance workers here, as employing the unemployable. Their level of social skills is so low, they can't even make it as prostitutes. They complain about a heavy work load yet, they bring it on themselves. They are quick to blame management. If you don't like the self imposed work load, find another job if you can find anyone to hire you. Anyone can say NO! That's all these workers can say. JAWS has no problem saying NO! .

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun Brunot
Sent: November 20, 2017 12:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Right on, Peter. Independence means accomplishing what you need, using the means that work best: money in the bank; your good salary; your so-so salary and other means.

Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hello Kelly and everyone,

And develop a backup income should something happen to your job and to give you something mor than just a stinking pention or Social Security Check after you retire, are laid off, or some other unexpected calamity your employment income can't address completely including keeping assistive technology up and running. Income sources such as Crowdfunding, network marketing and other vehicles needed to protect one's income and ability to maintain their assistive technology must be pursued in addition to one's primary income such as earnings from their employment. It's called not putting all of your eggs in one basket.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 12:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Yes, if you are working for low wages someplace, then changes need to happen. This could include exploring the world of online businesses or finding better paying work. Here in Chicago, the Lighthouse has full time customer service jobs that pay a living wage. The jobs are fully accessible to a blind person. If someone needs training, even if a blind trainee needs computer literacy, the person is paid to attend training. Of course, the blind person needs to arrive at the technology training site on time and actively train for eight hours a day until competency is achieved.

Kelly


On 11/18/17, Gudrun Brunot <gbrunot@centurylink.net> wrote:
Hi all: I actually don't see anything wrong with this discussion, for
heaven knows it's expensive to keep your necessary assistive hardware
and software up, plus the expenses associated with crashes between
mainstream software and screen readers. I have been hit so hard these
last two years in that regard that I feel almost burned out at times.
I don't run to Rehab as soon as things go south. I try to afford what
I need, but I can no longer totally subscribe to the belief that you
should be able to work hard to pay for it if you need it badly enough.
Often, you actually do need it badly enough, and, work as you might,
or maybe you can't work enough due to technology glitches, you can't
quite afford it, or you spend money that you, or your family, could have used for some other essential purchase.

So, crowd funding, hurray, and how do you get started?



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jessica Raichle
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 3:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi:
With croud funding the website usually takes a percentage
(usually fairly small). I used Go Fund Me to raise the money needed
to purchase a BrailleNote Touch; I was able to raise what I needed in
four weeks! You do have to put your amount slightly above what you
actually need to account for the percentage the site takes. However,
if you receive donations in hand you keep it all, even if you report it on your campaign. Hope this helps!
Jessica


From: Mike B. <mailto:mb69mach1@charter.net>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 11:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi Peter,

I'm all for donating to & for people that truly need help, but this
Crowd Funding thing you speak of is something I've never heard of, &
that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but it only means I've never heard anything about it!
Who runs it? Who manages the donations? Does 100% of the donations
go to the intended, or do they take a percentage off the top to cover
costs, & is that info divulged? I've only asked a few questions, but you see my point.
I personally am sick of donating to organizations that say that they
will do this & that, but when it all comes down to it most of the
money is eaten up by bullshit!

You said:
"If anyone wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds
for personal or business matters begging watch your step with us!
Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El
Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws.
End quote.

Intimidating people with this kind of dumb ass threat isn't going to
put people in your corner! What are you going to do, use donated
funds to sue people?!
Take care. Mike. Dodgers, try again next year!

Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In
the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Donahue <mailto:pdonahue2@satx.rr.com>
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 7:44 PM
Subject: Crowd Funding


Good evening everyone,

CrowdFunding is widely used throughout many segments of society
including those who are employed. It is not a form of begging and is
not promoted as such. Rather it could be used as a way to raise public
awareness of the existence of assistive technology and what users of
this technology must do to cover the cost of keeping it up.

If folks can use crowd funding to raise money for needed surgery and
treatments, funding to achieve educational and vocational goals and
for many other purposes why not tap into this means of creating
revenue to cover the cost of buying and maintaining assistive
technology. Large corporations also use crowd funding to start and
grow their existing business ventures or to start new ones. No one calls them beggars.

I used to hear this kind of garbage when I was a street performer.
Those making such statements about this occupation are either dead,
still broke and living on public assistance, or had to move back in with mmom and dad.
Mary and I tapped into various means to raise funding for the things
we need without going to voke rehab or some other public assistance
program and are closer to achieving financial independence. If anyone
wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds for personal
or business matters begging watch your step with us! Otherwise you
will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El Braille 40 when
it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws. Now let's tap the
crowd to raise the needed funds for keeping our assistive technology
and to raise awareness of how it can benefit those with disabilities including the blind. All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 5:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: financing for jaws, Why Not CrowdFunding?

Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or
start a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly
Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or
start a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly




On 11/17/17, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2@satx.rr.com> wrote:
Hello,

We're dealing with the same situation here. Perhaps it's time some of
us tried CrowdFunding as a way to raise needed funds to cover these
expenses.
People raise funds for all kinds of personal and corporate projects
and individual needs this way. It's time we tapped the power of the
crowd to help us cover the cost of buying and upgrading assistive
technology as an alternative to voke rehab and other public funding
sources. We plan to launch our own crowdfunding site to upgrade our
assistive technology by year's end. If someone beats us to it that's
wonderful! All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jenni Kent
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: financing for jaws

Hi,

I am trying to upgrade my jaws and get an sma I live in Iowa In
Missouri there was the tap-i program that paid for assistive tech for
you every few years so you could access the internet. Now I am stuck
because I need this and don't know a way to get it i wish fs had a
payment plan for jfw so people could pay for jaws and an sma I could
do that but this six hundred bucks all at once crap is rediculous.





















Re: Crowd Funding

David & his pack of dogs
 

Would not the lighthouse in other states have the same kind of program? Or, is it limited to Chicago?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jenni Kent
Sent: November 20, 2017 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

if I lived there that wouldnt be a problem.



On 11/20/2017 12:39 PM, Kelly Pierce wrote:
Yes, if you are working for low wages someplace, then changes need to
happen. This could include exploring the world of online businesses or
finding better paying work. Here in Chicago, the Lighthouse has full
time customer service jobs that pay a living wage. The jobs are fully
accessible to a blind person. If someone needs training, even if a
blind trainee needs computer literacy, the person is paid to attend
training. Of course, the blind person needs to arrive at the
technology training site on time and actively train for eight hours a
day until competency is achieved.

Kelly


On 11/18/17, Gudrun Brunot <gbrunot@centurylink.net> wrote:
Hi all: I actually don't see anything wrong with this discussion, for
heaven knows it's expensive to keep your necessary assistive hardware
and software up, plus the expenses associated with crashes between
mainstream software and screen readers. I have been hit so hard these
last two years in that regard that I feel almost burned out at times.
I don't run to Rehab as soon as things go south. I try to afford what
I need, but I can no longer totally subscribe to the belief that you
should be able to work hard to pay for it if you need it badly
enough. Often, you actually do need it badly enough, and, work as you
might, or maybe you can't work enough due to technology glitches,
you can't quite afford it, or you spend money that you, or your family, could have used for some other essential purchase.

So, crowd funding, hurray, and how do you get started?



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jessica Raichle
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 3:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi:
With croud funding the website usually takes a percentage
(usually fairly small). I used Go Fund Me to raise the money needed
to purchase a BrailleNote Touch; I was able to raise what I needed in
four weeks! You do have to put your amount slightly above what you
actually need to account for the percentage the site takes. However,
if you receive donations in hand you keep it all, even if you report it on your campaign. Hope this helps!
Jessica


From: Mike B. <mailto:mb69mach1@charter.net>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 11:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi Peter,

I'm all for donating to & for people that truly need help, but this
Crowd Funding thing you speak of is something I've never heard of, &
that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but it only means I've never heard anything about it!
Who runs it? Who manages the donations? Does 100% of the
donations go to the intended, or do they take a percentage off the
top to cover costs, & is that info divulged? I've only asked a few questions, but you see my point.
I personally am sick of donating to organizations that say that they
will do this & that, but when it all comes down to it most of the
money is eaten up by bullshit!

You said:
"If anyone wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds
for personal or business matters begging watch your step with us!
Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El
Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws.
End quote.

Intimidating people with this kind of dumb ass threat isn't going to
put people in your corner! What are you going to do, use donated
funds to sue people?!
Take care. Mike. Dodgers, try again next year!

Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.
In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Donahue <mailto:pdonahue2@satx.rr.com>
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 7:44 PM
Subject: Crowd Funding


Good evening everyone,

CrowdFunding is widely used throughout many segments of society
including those who are employed. It is not a form of begging and is
not promoted as such. Rather it could be used as a way to raise
public awareness of the existence of assistive technology and what
users of this technology must do to cover the cost of keeping it up.

If folks can use crowd funding to raise money for needed surgery and
treatments, funding to achieve educational and vocational goals and
for many other purposes why not tap into this means of creating
revenue to cover the cost of buying and maintaining assistive
technology. Large corporations also use crowd funding to start and
grow their existing business ventures or to start new ones. No one calls them beggars.

I used to hear this kind of garbage when I was a street performer.
Those making such statements about this occupation are either dead,
still broke and living on public assistance, or had to move back in with mmom and dad.
Mary and I tapped into various means to raise funding for the things
we need without going to voke rehab or some other public assistance
program and are closer to achieving financial independence. If anyone
wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds for
personal or business matters begging watch your step with us!
Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El
Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws. Now
let's tap the crowd to raise the needed funds for keeping our
assistive technology and to raise awareness of how it can benefit those with disabilities including the blind. All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 5:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: financing for jaws, Why Not CrowdFunding?

Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or
start a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly
Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or
start a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly




On 11/17/17, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2@satx.rr.com> wrote:
Hello,

We're dealing with the same situation here. Perhaps it's time some
of us tried CrowdFunding as a way to raise needed funds to cover
these expenses.
People raise funds for all kinds of personal and corporate projects
and individual needs this way. It's time we tapped the power of the
crowd to help us cover the cost of buying and upgrading assistive
technology as an alternative to voke rehab and other public funding
sources. We plan to launch our own crowdfunding site to upgrade our
assistive technology by year's end. If someone beats us to it that's
wonderful! All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jenni Kent
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: financing for jaws

Hi,

I am trying to upgrade my jaws and get an sma I live in Iowa In
Missouri there was the tap-i program that paid for assistive tech
for you every few years so you could access the internet. Now I am
stuck because I need this and don't know a way to get it i wish fs
had a payment plan for jfw so people could pay for jaws and an sma I
could do that but this six hundred bucks all at once crap is rediculous.




















Re: Help with JAWS and EXCEL

Shirley Tracy
 

Hi Richard,

Thanks for the help. I'll try that. I probably used the wrong term when I said "cell", but you understood what I was talking about.

Cheerfully,

Shirley Tracy

---- "Richard B. McDonald" <richardbmcdonald@gmail.com> wrote:

=============
in your roster, ideally every field (first name, last name, street address, city, state, ZIP, etc.) is in a separate field (e.g., column). Then, what you need to do is use the "auto fit column width" command to ensure that the contents of the field fits within the column's width.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 12:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Help with JAWS and EXCEL

Greetings all:

You already know I’m not very tech savvy. I am keeping the roster for our writers club. So far so good. And thank all of you who have given me helpful advice. Now, I am supposed to print the roster. JAWS reads the entire cell (such as the person’s address) but sighted friends say they can’t see the entire cell.
Moreover, the entire address doesn’t print. How do I fix this? Obviously, I don’t know enough to understand what is happening here. And I think I’m the only member of our club who even bravely steps out and tries to do this.

Thank you in advance for your help.


Re: Help with JAWS and EXCEL

Shirley Tracy
 

Shirley Tracy

---- "Richard B. McDonald" <richardbmcdonald@gmail.com> wrote:

=============
in your roster, ideally every field (first name, last name, street address, city, state, ZIP, etc.) is in a separate field (e.g., column). Then, what you need to do is use the "auto fit column width" command to ensure that the contents of the field fits within the column's width.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 12:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Help with JAWS and EXCEL

Greetings all:

You already know I’m not very tech savvy. I am keeping the roster for our writers club. So far so good. And thank all of you who have given me helpful advice. Now, I am supposed to print the roster. JAWS reads the entire cell (such as the person’s address) but sighted friends say they can’t see the entire cell.
Moreover, the entire address doesn’t print. How do I fix this? Obviously, I don’t know enough to understand what is happening here. And I think I’m the only member of our club who even bravely steps out and tries to do this.

Thank you in advance for your help.


Re: Help with JAWS and EXCEL

Nancy B. Gibson
 

If the information you have in each column doesn't necessarily have to be on one line, you can also enable text wrap so at the end of the designated column length the information automatically wraps down to the next line of the same cell. If I heard the menu right, it was ALT-H then W. This is Excel 2007.

---- Original Message -----
From: Richard B. McDonald <richardbmcdonald@gmail.com>
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Monday, November 20, 2017 4:45 pm
Subject: Re: Help with JAWS and EXCEL



in your roster, ideally every field (first name, last name, street address, city, state, ZIP, etc.) is in a separate field (e.g., column). Then, what you need to do is use the "auto fit column width" command to ensure that the contents of the field fits within the column's width.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 12:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Help with JAWS and EXCEL

Greetings all:

You already know I'm not very tech savvy. I am keeping the roster for our writers club. So far so good. And thank all of you who have given me helpful advice. Now, I am supposed to print the roster. JAWS reads the entire cell (such as the person's address) but sighted friends say they can't see the entire cell.
Moreover, the entire address doesn't print. How do I fix this? Obviously, I don't know enough to understand what is happening here. And I think I'm the only member of our club who even bravely steps out and tries to do this.

Thank you in advance for your help.









Re: Help with JAWS and EXCEL

Richard B. McDonald
 

in your roster, ideally every field (first name, last name, street address, city, state, ZIP, etc.) is in a separate field (e.g., column). Then, what you need to do is use the "auto fit column width" command to ensure that the contents of the field fits within the column's width.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 12:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Help with JAWS and EXCEL

Greetings all:

You already know I’m not very tech savvy. I am keeping the roster for our writers club. So far so good. And thank all of you who have given me helpful advice. Now, I am supposed to print the roster. JAWS reads the entire cell (such as the person’s address) but sighted friends say they can’t see the entire cell.
Moreover, the entire address doesn’t print. How do I fix this? Obviously, I don’t know enough to understand what is happening here. And I think I’m the only member of our club who even bravely steps out and tries to do this.

Thank you in advance for your help.


Re: financing for jaws, Why Not CrowdFunding?

Jenni Kent
 

actually you have no idea what i am doing as far as job seeking I have to get on a six month housing waiting list and may have a job in a month I am working with ticket to work agencies as well.
I want to work badly I applied for a job but got turned down.

On 11/20/2017 12:49 PM, Kelly Pierce wrote:
I know that raising expectations and speaking forcefully about
economic independence and personal responsibility will not bring me
applause. Yet, it is what people need to do not necessarily what they
want to do. The op said she was laid off from her job and is now
waiting for the phone to ring to be called back. I don’t wait around
for phones to ring. There are seven billion people in this world and
most of them are spending money or in need of services. I can fulfill
the needs of some and take their money in the process. Increasing
numbers of employers are hiring blind people and the Internet has
opened up many opportunities.

Kelly



On 11/18/17, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
Hi Kelly,

I know we disagree at times about things, but I couldn't have said it better
although I wasn't going to say it.
A lot of the crowdfunding campagnes people do are in my opinion are no
different from glorified online begging except that an actual begger has to
work harder for what they get.
I would probably qualify your statement to get a job or start a business by
saying that for some people due to their disability and maybe multiple
disability this may not be possible, but in that case NVDA which is free
unless you choose to donate to them is probably more than adequate to do
what they want to do.
Also, even people who are on some sort of assistance program usually find
money for some luxuries and by foregoing those for a time they could
probably raise the money over a 2 or 3 year period to buy Jaws and once you
have Jaws I really hate it when people bitch about the SMA which for the
home version is $120 every two years. This works out to $5 a month so just
buy 1 or 2 less coffees or whatever most of us spend money on if you feel
you really need Jaws.
Just yesterday somebody from Nigeria posted a message with a Jaws question
and he said he is running the demo version because he can't afford to buy
it. This I can of course believe because many people here even if they live
on a very small amount of money still have a lot more than a large portion
of the population in many countries in the world. Here is somebody who makes
due with having to reboot his computer every 40 minutes. Even if Jaws did a
better job with some task, then you could just run NVDA for most of what you
do and use Jaws in demo mode if you do whatever it is that works better with
Jaws, you can actually do quite a bit in 40 minutes.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly
Pierce
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: financing for jaws, Why Not CrowdFunding?

Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or start
a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly
Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or start
a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly




On 11/17/17, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2@satx.rr.com> wrote:
Hello,

We're dealing with the same situation here. Perhaps it's time some of
us tried CrowdFunding as a way to raise needed funds to cover these
expenses.
People raise funds for all kinds of personal and corporate projects
and individual needs this way. It's time we tapped the power of the
crowd to help us cover the cost of buying and upgrading assistive
technology as an alternative to voke rehab and other public funding
sources. We plan to launch our own crowdfunding site to upgrade our
assistive technology by year's end. If someone beats us to it that's
wonderful! All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jenni Kent
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: financing for jaws

Hi,

I am trying to upgrade my jaws and get an sma I live in Iowa In
Missouri there was the tap-i program that paid for assistive tech for
you every few years so you could access the internet. Now I am stuck
because I need this and don't know a way to get it i wish fs had a
payment plan for jfw so people could pay for jaws and an sma I could
do that but this six hundred bucks all at once crap is rediculous.














Re: Crowd Funding

Jenni Kent
 

if I lived there that wouldnt be a problem.

On 11/20/2017 12:39 PM, Kelly Pierce wrote:
Yes, if you are working for low wages someplace, then changes need to
happen. This could include exploring the world of online businesses or
finding better paying work. Here in Chicago, the Lighthouse has full
time customer service jobs that pay a living wage. The jobs are fully
accessible to a blind person. If someone needs training, even if a
blind trainee needs computer literacy, the person is paid to attend
training. Of course, the blind person needs to arrive at the
technology training site on time and actively train for eight hours a
day until competency is achieved.

Kelly


On 11/18/17, Gudrun Brunot <gbrunot@centurylink.net> wrote:
Hi all: I actually don't see anything wrong with this discussion, for heaven
knows it's expensive to keep your necessary assistive hardware and software
up, plus the expenses associated with crashes between mainstream software
and screen readers. I have been hit so hard these last two years in that
regard that I feel almost burned out at times. I don't run to Rehab as soon
as things go south. I try to afford what I need, but I can no longer totally
subscribe to the belief that you should be able to work hard to pay for it
if you need it badly enough. Often, you actually do need it badly enough,
and, work as you might, or maybe you can't work enough due to technology
glitches, you can't quite afford it, or you spend money that you, or your
family, could have used for some other essential purchase.

So, crowd funding, hurray, and how do you get started?



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jessica
Raichle
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 3:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi:
With croud funding the website usually takes a percentage (usually
fairly small). I used Go Fund Me to raise the money needed to purchase a
BrailleNote Touch; I was able to raise what I needed in four weeks! You do
have to put your amount slightly above what you actually need to account for
the percentage the site takes. However, if you receive donations in hand
you keep it all, even if you report it on your campaign. Hope this helps!
Jessica


From: Mike B. <mailto:mb69mach1@charter.net>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 11:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi Peter,

I'm all for donating to & for people that truly need help, but this Crowd
Funding thing you speak of is something I've never heard of, & that doesn't
mean it doesn't exist, but it only means I've never heard anything about it!
Who runs it? Who manages the donations? Does 100% of the donations go to
the intended, or do they take a percentage off the top to cover costs, & is
that info divulged? I've only asked a few questions, but you see my point.
I personally am sick of donating to organizations that say that they will
do this & that, but when it all comes down to it most of the money is eaten
up by bullshit!

You said:
"If anyone wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds for
personal or business matters begging watch your
step with us! Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of buying my
wife's El Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws.
End quote.

Intimidating people with this kind of dumb ass threat isn't going to put
people in your corner! What are you going to do, use donated funds to sue
people?!
Take care. Mike. Dodgers, try again next year!

Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Donahue <mailto:pdonahue2@satx.rr.com>
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 7:44 PM
Subject: Crowd Funding


Good evening everyone,

CrowdFunding is widely used throughout many segments of society including
those who are employed. It is not a form of begging and is not promoted as
such. Rather it could be used as a way to raise public awareness of the
existence of assistive technology and what users of this technology must do
to cover the cost of keeping it up.

If folks can use crowd funding to raise money for needed surgery and
treatments, funding to achieve educational and vocational goals and for many
other purposes why not tap into this means of creating revenue to cover the
cost of buying and maintaining assistive technology. Large corporations also
use crowd funding to start and grow their existing business ventures or to
start new ones. No one calls them beggars.

I used to hear this kind of garbage when I was a street performer. Those
making such statements about this occupation are either dead, still broke
and living on public assistance, or had to move back in with mmom and dad.
Mary and I tapped into various means to raise funding for the things we need
without going to voke rehab or some other public assistance program and are
closer to achieving financial independence. If anyone wants to start calling
widely used means of raising funds for personal or business matters begging
watch your step with us! Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of
buying my wife's El Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions
of Jaws. Now let's tap the crowd to raise the needed funds for keeping our
assistive technology and to raise awareness of how it can benefit those with
disabilities including the blind. All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly
Pierce
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 5:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: financing for jaws, Why Not CrowdFunding?

Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or start
a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly
Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or start
a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly




On 11/17/17, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2@satx.rr.com> wrote:
Hello,

We're dealing with the same situation here. Perhaps it's time some of
us tried CrowdFunding as a way to raise needed funds to cover these
expenses.
People raise funds for all kinds of personal and corporate projects
and individual needs this way. It's time we tapped the power of the
crowd to help us cover the cost of buying and upgrading assistive
technology as an alternative to voke rehab and other public funding
sources. We plan to launch our own crowdfunding site to upgrade our
assistive technology by year's end. If someone beats us to it that's
wonderful! All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jenni Kent
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: financing for jaws

Hi,

I am trying to upgrade my jaws and get an sma I live in Iowa In
Missouri there was the tap-i program that paid for assistive tech for
you every few years so you could access the internet. Now I am stuck
because I need this and don't know a way to get it i wish fs had a
payment plan for jfw so people could pay for jaws and an sma I could
do that but this six hundred bucks all at once crap is rediculous.




















Re: Crowd Funding

Gudrun Brunot
 

Right on, Peter. Independence means accomplishing what you need, using the means that work best: money in the bank; your good salary; your so-so salary and other means.

Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hello Kelly and everyone,

And develop a backup income should something happen to your job and to give you something mor than just a stinking pention or Social Security Check after you retire, are laid off, or some other unexpected calamity your employment income can't address completely including keeping assistive technology up and running. Income sources such as Crowdfunding, network marketing and other vehicles needed to protect one's income and ability to maintain their assistive technology must be pursued in addition to one's primary income such as earnings from their employment. It's called not putting all of your eggs in one basket.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 12:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Yes, if you are working for low wages someplace, then changes need to happen. This could include exploring the world of online businesses or finding better paying work. Here in Chicago, the Lighthouse has full time customer service jobs that pay a living wage. The jobs are fully accessible to a blind person. If someone needs training, even if a blind trainee needs computer literacy, the person is paid to attend training. Of course, the blind person needs to arrive at the technology training site on time and actively train for eight hours a day until competency is achieved.

Kelly


On 11/18/17, Gudrun Brunot <gbrunot@centurylink.net> wrote:
Hi all: I actually don't see anything wrong with this discussion, for
heaven knows it's expensive to keep your necessary assistive hardware
and software up, plus the expenses associated with crashes between
mainstream software and screen readers. I have been hit so hard these
last two years in that regard that I feel almost burned out at times.
I don't run to Rehab as soon as things go south. I try to afford what
I need, but I can no longer totally subscribe to the belief that you
should be able to work hard to pay for it if you need it badly enough.
Often, you actually do need it badly enough, and, work as you might,
or maybe you can't work enough due to technology glitches, you can't
quite afford it, or you spend money that you, or your family, could have used for some other essential purchase.

So, crowd funding, hurray, and how do you get started?



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jessica Raichle
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 3:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi:
With croud funding the website usually takes a percentage
(usually fairly small). I used Go Fund Me to raise the money needed
to purchase a BrailleNote Touch; I was able to raise what I needed in
four weeks! You do have to put your amount slightly above what you
actually need to account for the percentage the site takes. However,
if you receive donations in hand you keep it all, even if you report it on your campaign. Hope this helps!
Jessica


From: Mike B. <mailto:mb69mach1@charter.net>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 11:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi Peter,

I'm all for donating to & for people that truly need help, but this
Crowd Funding thing you speak of is something I've never heard of, &
that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but it only means I've never heard anything about it!
Who runs it? Who manages the donations? Does 100% of the donations
go to the intended, or do they take a percentage off the top to cover
costs, & is that info divulged? I've only asked a few questions, but you see my point.
I personally am sick of donating to organizations that say that they
will do this & that, but when it all comes down to it most of the
money is eaten up by bullshit!

You said:
"If anyone wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds
for personal or business matters begging watch your step with us!
Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El
Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws.
End quote.

Intimidating people with this kind of dumb ass threat isn't going to
put people in your corner! What are you going to do, use donated
funds to sue people?!
Take care. Mike. Dodgers, try again next year!

Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In
the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Donahue <mailto:pdonahue2@satx.rr.com>
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 7:44 PM
Subject: Crowd Funding


Good evening everyone,

CrowdFunding is widely used throughout many segments of society
including those who are employed. It is not a form of begging and is
not promoted as such. Rather it could be used as a way to raise public
awareness of the existence of assistive technology and what users of
this technology must do to cover the cost of keeping it up.

If folks can use crowd funding to raise money for needed surgery and
treatments, funding to achieve educational and vocational goals and
for many other purposes why not tap into this means of creating
revenue to cover the cost of buying and maintaining assistive
technology. Large corporations also use crowd funding to start and
grow their existing business ventures or to start new ones. No one calls them beggars.

I used to hear this kind of garbage when I was a street performer.
Those making such statements about this occupation are either dead,
still broke and living on public assistance, or had to move back in with mmom and dad.
Mary and I tapped into various means to raise funding for the things
we need without going to voke rehab or some other public assistance
program and are closer to achieving financial independence. If anyone
wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds for personal
or business matters begging watch your step with us! Otherwise you
will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El Braille 40 when
it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws. Now let's tap the
crowd to raise the needed funds for keeping our assistive technology
and to raise awareness of how it can benefit those with disabilities including the blind. All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 5:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: financing for jaws, Why Not CrowdFunding?

Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or
start a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly
Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or
start a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly




On 11/17/17, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2@satx.rr.com> wrote:
Hello,

We're dealing with the same situation here. Perhaps it's time some of
us tried CrowdFunding as a way to raise needed funds to cover these
expenses.
People raise funds for all kinds of personal and corporate projects
and individual needs this way. It's time we tapped the power of the
crowd to help us cover the cost of buying and upgrading assistive
technology as an alternative to voke rehab and other public funding
sources. We plan to launch our own crowdfunding site to upgrade our
assistive technology by year's end. If someone beats us to it that's
wonderful! All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jenni Kent
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: financing for jaws

Hi,

I am trying to upgrade my jaws and get an sma I live in Iowa In
Missouri there was the tap-i program that paid for assistive tech for
you every few years so you could access the internet. Now I am stuck
because I need this and don't know a way to get it i wish fs had a
payment plan for jfw so people could pay for jaws and an sma I could
do that but this six hundred bucks all at once crap is rediculous.





















Help with JAWS and EXCEL

Shirley Tracy
 

Greetings all:

You already know I’m not very tech savvy. I am keeping the roster for our
writers club. So far so good. And thank all of you who have given me helpful
advice. Now, I am supposed to print the roster. JAWS reads the entire cell (such
as the person’s address) but sighted friends say they can’t see the entire cell.
Moreover, the entire address doesn’t print. How do I fix this? Obviously, I
don’t know enough to understand what is happening here. And I think I’m the only
member of our club who even bravely steps out and tries to do this.

Thank you in advance for your help.


Outlook & Gmail

Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
 

Hello All,

I have done something to stop my mail from my Gmail account being sent to my Outlook 2016 program, could someone please forward the steps to reinstate this?

Also, the keystroke to return my screen to landscape view from portrait view.

Thank you,

Kevin.


Re: Crowd Funding

Peter Donahue
 

Hello Kelly and everyone,

And develop a backup income should something happen to your job and to give you something mor than just a stinking pention or Social Security Check after you retire, are laid off, or some other unexpected calamity your employment income can't address completely including keeping assistive technology up and running. Income sources such as Crowdfunding, network marketing and other vehicles needed to protect one's income and ability to maintain their assistive technology must be pursued in addition to one's primary income such as earnings from their employment. It's called not putting all of your eggs in one basket.

Peter Donahue

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 12:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Yes, if you are working for low wages someplace, then changes need to happen. This could include exploring the world of online businesses or finding better paying work. Here in Chicago, the Lighthouse has full time customer service jobs that pay a living wage. The jobs are fully accessible to a blind person. If someone needs training, even if a blind trainee needs computer literacy, the person is paid to attend training. Of course, the blind person needs to arrive at the technology training site on time and actively train for eight hours a day until competency is achieved.

Kelly


On 11/18/17, Gudrun Brunot <gbrunot@centurylink.net> wrote:
Hi all: I actually don't see anything wrong with this discussion, for
heaven knows it's expensive to keep your necessary assistive hardware
and software up, plus the expenses associated with crashes between
mainstream software and screen readers. I have been hit so hard these
last two years in that regard that I feel almost burned out at times.
I don't run to Rehab as soon as things go south. I try to afford what
I need, but I can no longer totally subscribe to the belief that you
should be able to work hard to pay for it if you need it badly enough.
Often, you actually do need it badly enough, and, work as you might,
or maybe you can't work enough due to technology glitches, you can't
quite afford it, or you spend money that you, or your family, could have used for some other essential purchase.

So, crowd funding, hurray, and how do you get started?



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jessica Raichle
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 3:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi:
With croud funding the website usually takes a percentage
(usually fairly small). I used Go Fund Me to raise the money needed
to purchase a BrailleNote Touch; I was able to raise what I needed in
four weeks! You do have to put your amount slightly above what you
actually need to account for the percentage the site takes. However,
if you receive donations in hand you keep it all, even if you report it on your campaign. Hope this helps!
Jessica


From: Mike B. <mailto:mb69mach1@charter.net>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 11:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi Peter,

I'm all for donating to & for people that truly need help, but this
Crowd Funding thing you speak of is something I've never heard of, &
that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but it only means I've never heard anything about it!
Who runs it? Who manages the donations? Does 100% of the donations
go to the intended, or do they take a percentage off the top to cover
costs, & is that info divulged? I've only asked a few questions, but you see my point.
I personally am sick of donating to organizations that say that they
will do this & that, but when it all comes down to it most of the
money is eaten up by bullshit!

You said:
"If anyone wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds
for personal or business matters begging watch your step with us!
Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El
Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws.
End quote.

Intimidating people with this kind of dumb ass threat isn't going to
put people in your corner! What are you going to do, use donated
funds to sue people?!
Take care. Mike. Dodgers, try again next year!

Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In
the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Donahue <mailto:pdonahue2@satx.rr.com>
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 7:44 PM
Subject: Crowd Funding


Good evening everyone,

CrowdFunding is widely used throughout many segments of society
including those who are employed. It is not a form of begging and is
not promoted as such. Rather it could be used as a way to raise public
awareness of the existence of assistive technology and what users of
this technology must do to cover the cost of keeping it up.

If folks can use crowd funding to raise money for needed surgery and
treatments, funding to achieve educational and vocational goals and
for many other purposes why not tap into this means of creating
revenue to cover the cost of buying and maintaining assistive
technology. Large corporations also use crowd funding to start and
grow their existing business ventures or to start new ones. No one calls them beggars.

I used to hear this kind of garbage when I was a street performer.
Those making such statements about this occupation are either dead,
still broke and living on public assistance, or had to move back in with mmom and dad.
Mary and I tapped into various means to raise funding for the things
we need without going to voke rehab or some other public assistance
program and are closer to achieving financial independence. If anyone
wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds for personal
or business matters begging watch your step with us! Otherwise you
will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El Braille 40 when
it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws. Now let's tap the
crowd to raise the needed funds for keeping our assistive technology
and to raise awareness of how it can benefit those with disabilities including the blind. All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 5:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: financing for jaws, Why Not CrowdFunding?

Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or
start a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly
Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or
start a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly




On 11/17/17, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2@satx.rr.com> wrote:
Hello,

We're dealing with the same situation here. Perhaps it's time some of
us tried CrowdFunding as a way to raise needed funds to cover these
expenses.
People raise funds for all kinds of personal and corporate projects
and individual needs this way. It's time we tapped the power of the
crowd to help us cover the cost of buying and upgrading assistive
technology as an alternative to voke rehab and other public funding
sources. We plan to launch our own crowdfunding site to upgrade our
assistive technology by year's end. If someone beats us to it that's
wonderful! All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jenni Kent
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: financing for jaws

Hi,

I am trying to upgrade my jaws and get an sma I live in Iowa In
Missouri there was the tap-i program that paid for assistive tech for
you every few years so you could access the internet. Now I am stuck
because I need this and don't know a way to get it i wish fs had a
payment plan for jfw so people could pay for jaws and an sma I could
do that but this six hundred bucks all at once crap is rediculous.





















Re: financing for jaws, Why Not CrowdFunding?

Kelly Pierce
 

I know that raising expectations and speaking forcefully about
economic independence and personal responsibility will not bring me
applause. Yet, it is what people need to do not necessarily what they
want to do. The op said she was laid off from her job and is now
waiting for the phone to ring to be called back. I don’t wait around
for phones to ring. There are seven billion people in this world and
most of them are spending money or in need of services. I can fulfill
the needs of some and take their money in the process. Increasing
numbers of employers are hiring blind people and the Internet has
opened up many opportunities.

Kelly

On 11/18/17, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
Hi Kelly,

I know we disagree at times about things, but I couldn't have said it better
although I wasn't going to say it.
A lot of the crowdfunding campagnes people do are in my opinion are no
different from glorified online begging except that an actual begger has to
work harder for what they get.
I would probably qualify your statement to get a job or start a business by
saying that for some people due to their disability and maybe multiple
disability this may not be possible, but in that case NVDA which is free
unless you choose to donate to them is probably more than adequate to do
what they want to do.
Also, even people who are on some sort of assistance program usually find
money for some luxuries and by foregoing those for a time they could
probably raise the money over a 2 or 3 year period to buy Jaws and once you
have Jaws I really hate it when people bitch about the SMA which for the
home version is $120 every two years. This works out to $5 a month so just
buy 1 or 2 less coffees or whatever most of us spend money on if you feel
you really need Jaws.
Just yesterday somebody from Nigeria posted a message with a Jaws question
and he said he is running the demo version because he can't afford to buy
it. This I can of course believe because many people here even if they live
on a very small amount of money still have a lot more than a large portion
of the population in many countries in the world. Here is somebody who makes
due with having to reboot his computer every 40 minutes. Even if Jaws did a
better job with some task, then you could just run NVDA for most of what you
do and use Jaws in demo mode if you do whatever it is that works better with
Jaws, you can actually do quite a bit in 40 minutes.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly
Pierce
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: financing for jaws, Why Not CrowdFunding?

Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or start
a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly
Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or start
a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly




On 11/17/17, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2@satx.rr.com> wrote:
Hello,

We're dealing with the same situation here. Perhaps it's time some of
us tried CrowdFunding as a way to raise needed funds to cover these
expenses.
People raise funds for all kinds of personal and corporate projects
and individual needs this way. It's time we tapped the power of the
crowd to help us cover the cost of buying and upgrading assistive
technology as an alternative to voke rehab and other public funding
sources. We plan to launch our own crowdfunding site to upgrade our
assistive technology by year's end. If someone beats us to it that's
wonderful! All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jenni Kent
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: financing for jaws

Hi,

I am trying to upgrade my jaws and get an sma I live in Iowa In
Missouri there was the tap-i program that paid for assistive tech for
you every few years so you could access the internet. Now I am stuck
because I need this and don't know a way to get it i wish fs had a
payment plan for jfw so people could pay for jaws and an sma I could
do that but this six hundred bucks all at once crap is rediculous.















Re: Crowd Funding

Kelly Pierce
 

Yes, if you are working for low wages someplace, then changes need to
happen. This could include exploring the world of online businesses or
finding better paying work. Here in Chicago, the Lighthouse has full
time customer service jobs that pay a living wage. The jobs are fully
accessible to a blind person. If someone needs training, even if a
blind trainee needs computer literacy, the person is paid to attend
training. Of course, the blind person needs to arrive at the
technology training site on time and actively train for eight hours a
day until competency is achieved.

Kelly

On 11/18/17, Gudrun Brunot <gbrunot@centurylink.net> wrote:
Hi all: I actually don't see anything wrong with this discussion, for heaven
knows it's expensive to keep your necessary assistive hardware and software
up, plus the expenses associated with crashes between mainstream software
and screen readers. I have been hit so hard these last two years in that
regard that I feel almost burned out at times. I don't run to Rehab as soon
as things go south. I try to afford what I need, but I can no longer totally
subscribe to the belief that you should be able to work hard to pay for it
if you need it badly enough. Often, you actually do need it badly enough,
and, work as you might, or maybe you can't work enough due to technology
glitches, you can't quite afford it, or you spend money that you, or your
family, could have used for some other essential purchase.

So, crowd funding, hurray, and how do you get started?



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jessica
Raichle
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 3:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi:
With croud funding the website usually takes a percentage (usually
fairly small). I used Go Fund Me to raise the money needed to purchase a
BrailleNote Touch; I was able to raise what I needed in four weeks! You do
have to put your amount slightly above what you actually need to account for
the percentage the site takes. However, if you receive donations in hand
you keep it all, even if you report it on your campaign. Hope this helps!
Jessica


From: Mike B. <mailto:mb69mach1@charter.net>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 11:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi Peter,

I'm all for donating to & for people that truly need help, but this Crowd
Funding thing you speak of is something I've never heard of, & that doesn't
mean it doesn't exist, but it only means I've never heard anything about it!
Who runs it? Who manages the donations? Does 100% of the donations go to
the intended, or do they take a percentage off the top to cover costs, & is
that info divulged? I've only asked a few questions, but you see my point.
I personally am sick of donating to organizations that say that they will
do this & that, but when it all comes down to it most of the money is eaten
up by bullshit!

You said:
"If anyone wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds for
personal or business matters begging watch your
step with us! Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of buying my
wife's El Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws.
End quote.

Intimidating people with this kind of dumb ass threat isn't going to put
people in your corner! What are you going to do, use donated funds to sue
people?!
Take care. Mike. Dodgers, try again next year!

Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Donahue <mailto:pdonahue2@satx.rr.com>
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 7:44 PM
Subject: Crowd Funding


Good evening everyone,

CrowdFunding is widely used throughout many segments of society including
those who are employed. It is not a form of begging and is not promoted as
such. Rather it could be used as a way to raise public awareness of the
existence of assistive technology and what users of this technology must do
to cover the cost of keeping it up.

If folks can use crowd funding to raise money for needed surgery and
treatments, funding to achieve educational and vocational goals and for many
other purposes why not tap into this means of creating revenue to cover the
cost of buying and maintaining assistive technology. Large corporations also
use crowd funding to start and grow their existing business ventures or to
start new ones. No one calls them beggars.

I used to hear this kind of garbage when I was a street performer. Those
making such statements about this occupation are either dead, still broke
and living on public assistance, or had to move back in with mmom and dad.
Mary and I tapped into various means to raise funding for the things we need
without going to voke rehab or some other public assistance program and are
closer to achieving financial independence. If anyone wants to start calling
widely used means of raising funds for personal or business matters begging
watch your step with us! Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of
buying my wife's El Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions
of Jaws. Now let's tap the crowd to raise the needed funds for keeping our
assistive technology and to raise awareness of how it can benefit those with
disabilities including the blind. All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly
Pierce
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 5:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: financing for jaws, Why Not CrowdFunding?

Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or start
a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly
Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or start
a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly




On 11/17/17, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2@satx.rr.com> wrote:
Hello,

We're dealing with the same situation here. Perhaps it's time some of
us tried CrowdFunding as a way to raise needed funds to cover these
expenses.
People raise funds for all kinds of personal and corporate projects
and individual needs this way. It's time we tapped the power of the
crowd to help us cover the cost of buying and upgrading assistive
technology as an alternative to voke rehab and other public funding
sources. We plan to launch our own crowdfunding site to upgrade our
assistive technology by year's end. If someone beats us to it that's
wonderful! All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jenni Kent
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: financing for jaws

Hi,

I am trying to upgrade my jaws and get an sma I live in Iowa In
Missouri there was the tap-i program that paid for assistive tech for
you every few years so you could access the internet. Now I am stuck
because I need this and don't know a way to get it i wish fs had a
payment plan for jfw so people could pay for jaws and an sma I could
do that but this six hundred bucks all at once crap is rediculous.





















Re: Virtual reader help please

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Sugar. Here’s what the help topic says about the Virtual Viewer check box

 

Show Virtual Viewer on Screen

Use this check box to specify whether the Virtual Viewer is visually displayed on the screen when you access context-sensitive (INSERT+F1) help and other helpful messages. It may be useful in training environments to show the Virtual Viewer. However, in a presentation application like PowerPoint, it might disrupt your presentation to display the Virtual Viewer. JAWS functions the same in these messages regardless of whether the Virtual Viewer is visible. For more information on using the Virtual Viewer, see Virtual Viewer.

 

The key words here are:

 

JAWS functions the same in these messages regardless of whether the Virtual Viewer is visible.

 

If it doesn’t matter to you if the Virtual Viewer is visually displayed on the screen, then it won’t matter if the check box is checked or unchecked. If you want the Virtual Viewer visually displayed on the screen, check the check box. If you think PowerPoint might be used, or that the Virtual Viewer might interfere with the visual display of some programs, uncheck the check box.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sugar Lopez
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 7:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Virtual reader help please

 

Hi all

In my jaws settings under basics, should I lleave virtual rader checked?

And what happens if I don’t check it?

Thanks

I use jaws 18 on a windows 7,64 and office 2010

 

 

"But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; They shall mount up with wings as eagles; They shall run, and not be weary; and They shall

walk, and not faint." [Isaiah 40:31)

 

Please Support my Transplant journey at:

https://www.gofundme.com/sugars-transplant-journey

 

-God Bless you,

Sugar Lopez

 


Re: What is the trick with multiple attachments in outlook 2010?

Steve Griffiths
 

Shannon, Mark,

 

Glad I could help - aren't these lists great?

 

Steve 🐾

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: 20 November 2017 15:53
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the trick with multiple attachments in outlook 2010?

 

 

 

Steve,

That was wonderful!

I just did it and was able to arrow across all of the atachments in the email with no problems. I could pick one at will with no issues.

Thanks so much.

You rock!

Thanks again

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Griffiths
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 4:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the trick with multiple attachments in outlook 2010?

 

 

Hi Shannon,

 

I've come across the problem with accessing multiple attachments before, and was able to get around it by turning off a setting in Outlook called Attachment Preview.

 

Go to the Options dialogue with Alt, F, T.

 

Press T until you're on Trust Center, then Alt + T to open a second dialogue.

 

UpArrow once to Attachment Handling, and then Tab to a checkbox labelled Turn Off Attachment Preview and check it.

 

OK out of both dialogues.

 

Does that make a difference?

 

Steve 🐾

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: 17 November 2017 20:41
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the trick with multiple attachments in outlook 2010?

 

Bill, Dave Tony, George.

Something is wrong here.

I have an email that has seven attachments. Only one of them is the one I need. There are

6 junk attachments that are jpegs of some signature cards, a couple of html copies of previous messages and one is the pdf I am looking for.

I can’t arrow across or up or down past the second one. I keep getting stuck and Jaws  says focus lost.

I don’t want to have to save all the junk onto my system only to have to print it and sign and re-scan.

This is not the first time this has happened to me.

Even when there is only one real attachment Jaws announces that there are two when I alt tab into the attachments field.

Anyone know why  it would be behaving like this?

Outlook 2010 and Jaws 18 and or Jaws 2018.

Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 11:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the trick with multiple attachments in outlook 2010?

 

Hi, Shannon. I use Windows 10 with JAWS 2018. I am having no trouble reading multiple attachments with Outlook 2010. I do the following.

 

1. Open Outlook2010.

2. Shift TAB to the attachments list.

3. Use Right and Left Arrows to advance or go backward through the attachments list.

4. Press ALT + F, followed by M to save attachments.

5. Follow the prompts to save. Then press the OK dialog.

This should save all attachments in the message.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 9:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: What is the trick with multiple attachments in outlook 2010?

 

Hi all,

0I know that I can alt tab from the top of the message into the attachments field but when there are multiple attachments to a message.  Jaws 18 and Jaws 2018 are having problem s arrowing to the other items in the list.

What is the trick?

Insert A does  not get me into the attachments list as the help says it will.

So what do I do?

 

Thanks

Shannon


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Re: What is the trick with multiple attachments in outlook 2010?

Shannon
 

 

 

Steve,

That was wonderful!

I just did it and was able to arrow across all of the atachments in the email with no problems. I could pick one at will with no issues.

Thanks so much.

You rock!

Thanks again

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Griffiths
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 4:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the trick with multiple attachments in outlook 2010?

 

 

Hi Shannon,

 

I've come across the problem with accessing multiple attachments before, and was able to get around it by turning off a setting in Outlook called Attachment Preview.

 

Go to the Options dialogue with Alt, F, T.

 

Press T until you're on Trust Center, then Alt + T to open a second dialogue.

 

UpArrow once to Attachment Handling, and then Tab to a checkbox labelled Turn Off Attachment Preview and check it.

 

OK out of both dialogues.

 

Does that make a difference?

 

Steve 🐾

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: 17 November 2017 20:41
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the trick with multiple attachments in outlook 2010?

 

Bill, Dave Tony, George.

Something is wrong here.

I have an email that has seven attachments. Only one of them is the one I need. There are

6 junk attachments that are jpegs of some signature cards, a couple of html copies of previous messages and one is the pdf I am looking for.

I can’t arrow across or up or down past the second one. I keep getting stuck and Jaws  says focus lost.

I don’t want to have to save all the junk onto my system only to have to print it and sign and re-scan.

This is not the first time this has happened to me.

Even when there is only one real attachment Jaws announces that there are two when I alt tab into the attachments field.

Anyone know why  it would be behaving like this?

Outlook 2010 and Jaws 18 and or Jaws 2018.

Thanks

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 11:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What is the trick with multiple attachments in outlook 2010?

 

Hi, Shannon. I use Windows 10 with JAWS 2018. I am having no trouble reading multiple attachments with Outlook 2010. I do the following.

 

1. Open Outlook2010.

2. Shift TAB to the attachments list.

3. Use Right and Left Arrows to advance or go backward through the attachments list.

4. Press ALT + F, followed by M to save attachments.

5. Follow the prompts to save. Then press the OK dialog.

This should save all attachments in the message.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 9:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: What is the trick with multiple attachments in outlook 2010?

 

Hi all,

0I know that I can alt tab from the top of the message into the attachments field but when there are multiple attachments to a message.  Jaws 18 and Jaws 2018 are having problem s arrowing to the other items in the list.

What is the trick?

Insert A does  not get me into the attachments list as the help says it will.

So what do I do?

 

Thanks

Shannon


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Guide Dogs exclude all liability for any loss or damage arising or resulting from the receipt, use or transmission of this email to the fullest extent permitted by law.

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Re: Jaws 2018 goes silent at PIN log-in

Maria Campbell
 

My JAWS 2018 goes silent if I do an insert plus space plus s to turn speech off for some time then try to get speech back.  This is why I keep NVDA as a back up.


 

lucky1inct@...

"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 11/20/2017 9:47 AM, Robert Logue wrote:

I should read more carefully.

I'm not using a pin but I do experience the same problem with Jaws not talking at the logon screen, especially after waking up.


Blob




On 2017-11-20 8:43 AM, Robert Logue wrote:

This happens with Jaws 18 on my system. Latest updates.

Bob


On 2017-11-19 10:52 AM, John Gurd via Groups.Io wrote:

I just updated to Windows 10 Fall edition. Now when I turn my PC on Jaws 2018 speaks some background activity at the PIN log-in prompt and then goes silent. I have to load Narrator to enter my PIN and Jaws comes back to life. Also it doesn’t show up in the system tray and pressing JawsKey-J does not work. If I unload Jaws and restart it again it works fine. The same thing happens with my laptop. Is anyone else experiencing this with the PIN login in particular?

 

John

 





Re: Jaws 2018 goes silent at PIN log-in

Robert Logue
 

I should read more carefully.

I'm not using a pin but I do experience the same problem with Jaws not talking at the logon screen, especially after waking up.


Blob




On 2017-11-20 8:43 AM, Robert Logue wrote:

This happens with Jaws 18 on my system. Latest updates.

Bob


On 2017-11-19 10:52 AM, John Gurd via Groups.Io wrote:

I just updated to Windows 10 Fall edition. Now when I turn my PC on Jaws 2018 speaks some background activity at the PIN log-in prompt and then goes silent. I have to load Narrator to enter my PIN and Jaws comes back to life. Also it doesn’t show up in the system tray and pressing JawsKey-J does not work. If I unload Jaws and restart it again it works fine. The same thing happens with my laptop. Is anyone else experiencing this with the PIN login in particular?

 

John

 




Re: Contact

Jonas Voll
 

Not shure, but its one drive for business!
And this is on Active directory and exchange server in a Enterprise business for my work!


Jonas Voll
Support Technician I
Envision, Inc.
2301 S Water ST
Wichita, KS 67213
O: 316-425-7141
F: 316-267-4312
www.envisionus.com

Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration for the blind and visually impaired through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 8:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Contact

Hmm, not sure why that is, it always was as simple as opening the OneDrive application and signing in with my Microsoft Id for me. You then have a chance to specify a location where you want the OneDrive folder just as with Dropbox, by default it's in your user folder, and I think that's pretty much it.
I am quite sure if you want to set it up that Microsoft Accessibility can easily help you with that. I have an Office 365 subscription both a Home subscription which I share with my wife and Mom as well as a Business Premium subscription for my business, both come with 1 Tb of storage so it would of course be silly to pay for Dropbox Premium or whatever they call it when I already have all the storage I could want and I would have the Office 365 subscription anyways because I need access to Outlook, Excel and occasionally some of the other Office apps.
The Office 365 subscription is one of the best deals around considering all it includes.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jonas Voll
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 6:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Contact

I couldn't set up OneDrive at all!
Jonas Voll
Support Technician I
Envision, Inc.
2301 S Water ST
Wichita, KS 67213
O: 316-425-7141
F: 316-267-4312
www.envisionus.com

Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration for the blind and visually impaired through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 11:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Contact

Yes, works fine with Jaws. Do you mean you couldn't enable screenshots or you couldn't set up OneDrive at all?
Here is how I enable the screenshots:

1. Jaws Key+F11 to bring up the sys tray items, arrow to OneDrive and press enter 2. Arrow down to Settings and press enter, for some reason sometimes this just puts me back at the top of the menu and I have to arrow to Settings a second time and press enter, then Settings opens.
3. I am always in the Account tab on "Add Account" so I do a Shift+tab to get to the tabs and they are as follows (I use speech history from here on):

Settings Tab Account Tab Auto Save Tab Network Tab Office Tab About Tab Account Tab - just did a "say word" to show what has focus Auto Save Tab - just did a right arrow to go there Now I tab and it reads the items in the Auto Save tab, the first items, Pictures and Documents have two options, "OneDrive" or "This PC Only"
Note, however, that I believe these options only exist with Windows 10 when you are logged in with a Microsoft account, on my Windows 7 PC it goes straight to the "save pictures automatically" item for when you connect a phone or USB stick.
As you can see the last item before you get to "OK" is the checkbox for automatically capture screenshots to OneDrive.
Desktop, Documents and Pictures Pictures Combo box This PC only
2 of 2
Desktop, Documents and Pictures Combo box Documents This PC only
2 of 2
Photos and videos Automatically save photos and videos to OneDrive whenever I connect a camera, phone, or other device to my PC check box not checked Screenshots Automatically save screenshots I capture to OneDrive check box checked OK Button


Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jonas Voll
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 5:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Contact

I was not able to get OneDrive Working was you able to sett it up using Jaws?
I have an Microsoft account!
Jonas Voll
Support Technician I
Envision, Inc.
2301 S Water ST
Wichita, KS 67213
O: 316-425-7141
F: 316-267-4312
www.envisionus.com

Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration for the blind and visually impaired through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 6:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Contact

If you use either Dropbox or OneDrive then the easiest way is to enable screenshots in one of those services. Then simply pressing PrintScreen will take a screenshot and save it to a folder of your choosing as a PNG file.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ibrahim Ajayi
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 8:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Contact

Hi good people:
I joined the group not too long ago, but I've not been posting.
I sent a post two days ago, wanting to know if anyone had solutions to the problem I am having with my web browser firefox and JAWS. From the responses I read to other people's posts, I learnt that the problem is a general problem. It is a problem that appears to defy solutions for now.
I have new issues, which I will like fellow members to please kindly help me address.
I am having problems with screenshots. When I do a screenshot of a web page using the print screen key on my laptop, and copy and paste it into the pint submenu, and subsequently send it, I am informed by the receipient that the screenshot is not visible. I've tried it several times, and the problem remains the same. I use firefox with it. I also use JAWS 16.
Please how can I fix this problem of screenshots not being visible.
What can I do to make the screenshots visible.
Added to this, does anyone use snagit from techsmith? how is it used to do a screenshot of a webpage.
Looking forward to reading from you chaps.
I am Ibrahim Ajayi.







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