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Re: the preview pain in outlook 2016

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Try Alt+v+p+n then tab about three times to where it is
going to say on or off; you want to check off by pressing
Spacebar.


Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 7:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: the preview pain in outlook 2016

Hi guys:



I am also using outlook2016,

How do I get rid of the preview pain in the folders and
messages window?


the preview pain in outlook 2016

mike mcglashon
 

Hi guys:

 

I am also using outlook2016,

How do I get rid of the preview pain in the folders and messages window?

 


jaws saying blank when reading lines in word2016

mike mcglashon
 

Hi guys:

I just obtained a new computer,

A del inspiron 15-5570 model with win 10 and jaws 2018 and word2016.

When I arrow down through a doc,

Jaws says blank even before it even reads what is on the line,

So it says something like this:

“”blank” heading 1 bla blab la”.

It says blank regardless if the line is truly blank,

Or whether the line has data?

 

Any ideas

 


Re: Selecting a tab on a web page

 

Usually space or enter should do the trick just like you can activate a regular link or button with space or enter, but some websites may have used unconventional code where this may not work.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 11:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Selecting a tab on a web page

 

What is the correct way to select a tab on a web page?

 

For example, on the Google voice website on their page, when in settings, it might say:

Calls tab, Groups and circles tab, Voicemail and text settings tab, etc. How does one select one of these tabs on a particular web page? Is it with space, or is it Enter, or some other keystroke?

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 


Re: 2018 with a 250 G hardrive?

 

Yes, but a Windows and Office installation takes no more than 6 or 8 Gb so even if you start out with 48 Gb you still have 40 Gb left. Anyhow, it comes down to unimportant details, the point I wanted to make is that 250 Gb is a multiple of what you need to run Windows and Office and some other applications, as somebody else pointed out, they are running Windows 10 on a system with a 32 Gb SSD and below are the hardware requirements according to Microsoft, essentially Windows 10 should be able to run on just about any system that can run Windows 7 and in some cases I would say Windows 10 runs better:

Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster
RAM: 1 gigabyte (GB) (32-bit) or 2 GB (64-bit)
Free hard disk space: 16 GB
Graphics card: Microsoft DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM driver
A Microsoft account and Internet access

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: 2018 with a 250 G hardrive?

the size of a drive or ssd is not the real available free space.
that 60 gb ssd only has about48gb free for your use because it uses about 12gb of space for its own use and is not available to you.
---Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: November 8, 2017 10:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: 2018 with a 250 G hardrive?

There is definitely something wrong, you can install Windowsssss and Office on a system with a 60 Gb SSD and still have probably 40 Gb or more free space. If you have a 250 Gb hard drive and there is nothing much other than Windows and maybe Office there you should have at least 200 Gb or more free space.
You said the computer was given to you, maybe it has an old Windows installation on it although they only take maybe 3 or 4 Gb, I'd do a disk cleanup and see what shows up and also make sure you check how much is in the recycle bin.
Lastly, make sure the drive is not partitioned, maybe the C drive with the Windows installation is just a 60 or 80 Gb partition and you have another partition with the majority of the drive space in it.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 9:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: 2018 with a 250 G hardrive?

Not sure, best buy said it had a 5.1 or slightly higher processor. I am sure it is fast, just not sure it is big enough. I got it back from Best buy Sunday Nov. 5 and already it says I just have about 39 Gs left of storage
space. .

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: November 7, 2017 12:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: 2018 with a 250 G hardrive?

what processor does it have, such as Intel model or AMD model and speed?

-------- Original Message --------
From: David & his pack of dogs [mailto:myguidedogis@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, Nov 7, 2017 2:25 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: 2018 with a 250 G hardrive?

I was given a HP lap top by a charitable group sponsored by the government.
It has 6 Gigs of ram and a 250 G hard drive. Is that enough to run JAWS
2018 as well as other related products? The agent knew I was blind.
Perhaps the agent being sighted was not aware of the size of hard drive needed. After all, he didn't know Window Eyes had been discontinued. I don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth however, fear the hard drive is not big enough to handle accessibility products. It was suggested I just send the lap top back.


Jaws Gestures In The Touch Screen Support

Owais Patel <owaisipatel@...>
 

Hello everyone. Could someone please send me the list of Gestures used to navigate with Jaws in Touch Screen Support. At the moment I don't have Jaws so I can try it but if someone could send them that will be really helpful. Thanks.

Sincerely,
Owais


fixed my yahoo mail issue

Marvin Hunkin <neilmarvin@...>
 

Hi. what you have to do is go to your profile, then there’s a series of radio buttons and select basic, then you can go to the options tab, in mail, and then set up your mail option and just selected download spam, as some times spam can be regular mail, caught there. So fixed thazt issue, just double checked my account, and then you select download spam, then use the click on save button. So that fixed it.

Thanks.

 


Virus-free. www.avast.com


Selecting a tab on a web page

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

What is the correct way to select a tab on a web page?

 

For example, on the Google voice website on their page, when in settings, it might say:

Calls tab, Groups and circles tab, Voicemail and text settings tab, etc. How does one select one of these tabs on a particular web page? Is it with space, or is it Enter, or some other keystroke?

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

Billwhite92701@...

 


Re: 2018 with a 250 G hardrive?

netbat66
 

the size of a drive or ssd is not the real available free space.
that 60 gb ssd only has about48gb free for your use because it uses about 12gb of space for its own use and is not available to you.

---Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: November 8, 2017 10:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: 2018 with a 250 G hardrive?

There is definitely something wrong, you can install Windowsssss and Office
on a system with a 60 Gb SSD and still have probably 40 Gb or more free
space. If you have a 250 Gb hard drive and there is nothing much other than
Windows and maybe Office there you should have at least 200 Gb or more free
space.
You said the computer was given to you, maybe it has an old Windows
installation on it although they only take maybe 3 or 4 Gb, I'd do a disk
cleanup and see what shows up and also make sure you check how much is in
the recycle bin.
Lastly, make sure the drive is not partitioned, maybe the C drive with the
Windows installation is just a 60 or 80 Gb partition and you have another
partition with the majority of the drive space in it.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David &
his pack of dogs
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 9:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: 2018 with a 250 G hardrive?

Not sure, best buy said it had a 5.1 or slightly higher processor. I am sure
it is fast, just not sure it is big enough. I got it back from Best buy
Sunday Nov. 5 and already it says I just have about 39 Gs left of storage
space. .

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: November 7, 2017 12:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: 2018 with a 250 G hardrive?

what processor does it have, such as Intel model or AMD model and speed?

-------- Original Message --------
From: David & his pack of dogs [mailto:myguidedogis@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, Nov 7, 2017 2:25 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: 2018 with a 250 G hardrive?

I was given a HP lap top by a charitable group sponsored by the government.
It has 6 Gigs of ram and a 250 G hard drive. Is that enough to run JAWS
2018 as well as other related products? The agent knew I was blind.
Perhaps the agent being sighted was not aware of the size of hard drive
needed. After all, he didn't know Window Eyes had been discontinued. I
don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth however, fear the hard drive is
not big enough to handle accessibility products. It was suggested I just
send the lap top back.


Re: New member/OT question.

Randy Meyer
 

Shai:

That is great news. Now, I just need to find out from VFO or Elita if I should download Jaws 2018 to my ElBraille. Thank you for the update on this.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shai
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 5:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New member/OT question.

Hello Randy
The issue that you speak of where writing the word budget produces the degrees symbol in JAWS appears to have been resolved with JAWS 2018.
I am using grade 2 braille input on a Focus braille display and I just tried it now and the degrees symbol was not produced nor pronounced by JAWS with speech. I tried it in Word 2016 and in this email message here.


On 11/9/17, Randy Meyer <randymeyer@charter.net> wrote:
Yes, only happens with Braille input. I need to find out if it still
happens with Jaws 2018. Thank you for the clarification.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 5:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New member/OT question.

No, Randy. I am using my pc with a keyboard. Sorry, I did not
interpret the fact that you are using braille.

Carol

On 11/8/2017 2:05 PM, Randy Meyer wrote:
Carol:

Are you using Braille input with grade 2 turned on?

When I type budget in grade 1 Braille or with a regular key board
attached, there is no problem. I am using the latest version of Jaws
18 on my ElBraille and when I have grade 2 Braille on for input dg
still is pronounced degrees.

I have not tried Braille input with Jaws 2018 on my desk top
computer, and I am not upgrading to Jaws 2018 on my ElBraille until I
know it won't cause other issues.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 5:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New member/OT question.

Hi Randy,

I just wanted to report to you that my Jaws 18 reads budget correctly.
I am using it now, while typing this message. There may be some
dictionary entry on your system that is causing this or, maybe the
change took place in the 2018 upgrade. I have not yet installed my copy.

Carol


On 11/7/2017 6:05 PM, Randy Meyer wrote:
Bill:

I purchased an ElBraille 14 about three months ago to use in place
of my Hims Braille Sense 32 cell notetaker.

First, my understanding was that you might be able to use the
ElBraille in place of a main computer has proven to be wrong. The
ElBraille has a tablet processor, which is not as fast and
responsive as my three year old desk top computer. It is similar in
speed to my Asus tablet I purchased around three years ago.
Although, I do not use the Asus tablet enough to have a good
comparison, and my ElBraille
14 may be faster, it is not as fast and responsive as my desk top
computer.
I do not use OpenBook or OCR on the Elbraile. I believe you will
need Jaws 18. You will want to buy a USB hub to give you more than
one USB port, and I also bought an HDMI adapter with a regular
monitor port for my wife to be able to give me some feedback.

Running a computer just using the Focus 14 key board has been a
learning curve. I did cheat for a while and connected a regular key
board.
The Braille translation table in Jaws does have a problem, it
recognizes dg as the degrees symbol in words. For example, budget
is pronounced bu-degrees-et. I am not sure if Jaws 2018 has an
updated translation that has corrected this. This is a Braille
translation problem, not an ElBraille problem. Also, I have not
heard yet if I can update my ElBraille to run Jaws 2018, which I am
running on the rest
of my computers.
There are times that I wish it was a little snappier running
Outlook, Word, and Excel, but it isn't too bad. I had been using
the ElNotes program to take notes, until I just decided today to use
Wordpad instead.

The makers of the ElBraille like Fire Fox, and I do not use it. I
had started using Google Chrome, but there was problems typing into
edit fields with the Braille key board when using Chrome, which I am
not sure if this is an ElBraille problem or Jaws, but I suspect it
is a Jaws problem. VFO recommended I use Internet Explorer and Ron
Miller help me get Internet Explorer to be my default browser.

Keep in mind that this is not a VFO product, and VFO did not have a
dedicated support person for the ElBraille when I last called tech
support.
Ron Miller from VFO did take the time to talk with me when I was
having some initial challenges with ElBraille. I have found it
easier and quicker to send questions direct to the Elita Group who
made the ElBraille, and they do respond fairly quickly.

I hope this helps, and let me know if you have any further questions.
I still believe the best notetaker in the future will be a full
featured windows computer or tablet, which is why I am willing to go
through the challenge of using the ElBraille.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bill Tessore
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2017 1:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New member/OT question.

Hi all, I am a JAWS 17 user, and I am interested to know if anyone
here Has n El Braille 14, or knows any Users of the El Braille 14 by
Freedom Scientific? I would like to get some first-hand user
feedback on how it works for them. Particularly with regard to using
JAWS and the open book software and pearl OCR camera. I intend to
use the Pearl, the El Braille 40 (when it becomes US available),and
related software to facilitate my literary Braille occupation.
Thanks in advance
for your help and indulgence.
Shalom,
Bill Tessore
billtessore@gmail.com
I can be contacted here or off site at Sent from my iPhone




















Re: New member/OT question.

Randy Meyer
 

Vicky:

Yes, you are right. I have emailed with Elita group on wanting the ability
to lock the key board or put the unit into sleep mode. This would make it
convenient when carrying the ElBraille from one meeting to another without
having to shut it off, especially at conferences.

It takes my ElBraille about 30 seconds to boot, and then another few seconds
for me to open the program I want.

I still like my ElBraille overall, but it has not lived up to all I was
hoping for.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Vicky
Collins
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 4:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New member/OT question.

Hi Randy and All,

Regarding using the ElBraille with the version of JAWS that comes on the
unit, I thought I heard on one of the lists, although I can't recall which
list or the exact comment, that either sleep or hibernate was unable to be
used. Do you know if that is the case for either or both of these things?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Meyer" <randymeyer@charter.net
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date sent: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 17:05:45 -0600
Subject: Re: New member/OT question.

Bill:

I purchased an ElBraille 14 about three months ago to use in place of my
Hims Braille Sense 32 cell notetaker.

First, my understanding was that you might be able to use the ElBraille in
place of a main computer has proven to be wrong. The ElBraille has a tablet
processor, which is not as fast and responsive as my three year old desk top
computer. It is similar in speed to my Asus tablet I purchased around three
years ago. Although, I do not use the Asus tablet enough to have a good
comparison, and my ElBraille 14 may be faster, it is not as fast and
responsive as my desk top computer.

I do not use OpenBook or OCR on the Elbraile. I believe you will need Jaws
18. You will want to buy a USB hub to give you more than one USB port, and
I also bought an HDMI adapter with a regular monitor port for my wife to be
able to give me some feedback.

Running a computer just using the Focus 14 key board has been a learning
curve. I did cheat for a while and connected a regular key board.

The Braille translation table in Jaws does have a problem, it recognizes dg
as the degrees symbol in words. For example, budget is pronounced
bu-degrees-et. I am not sure if Jaws 2018 has an updated translation that
has corrected this. This is a Braille translation problem, not an ElBraille
problem. Also, I have not heard yet if I can update my ElBraille to run
Jaws 2018, which I am running on the rest of my computers.

There are times that I wish it was a little snappier running Outlook, Word,
and Excel, but it isn't too bad. I had been using the ElNotes program to
take notes, until I just decided today to use Wordpad instead.

The makers of the ElBraille like Fire Fox, and I do not use it.
I had
started using Google Chrome, but there was problems typing into edit fields
with the Braille key board when using Chrome, which I am not sure if this is
an ElBraille problem or Jaws, but I suspect it is a Jaws problem.
VFO
recommended I use Internet Explorer and Ron Miller help me get Internet
Explorer to be my default browser.

Keep in mind that this is not a VFO product, and VFO did not have a
dedicated support person for the ElBraille when I last called tech support.
Ron Miller from VFO did take the time to talk with me when I was having some
initial challenges with ElBraille. I have found it easier and quicker to
send questions direct to the Elita Group who made the ElBraille, and they do
respond fairly quickly.

I hope this helps, and let me know if you have any further questions. I
still believe the best notetaker in the future will be a full featured
windows computer or tablet, which is why I am willing to go through the
challenge of using the ElBraille.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
Tessore
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2017 1:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New member/OT question.

Hi all, I am a JAWS 17 user, and I am interested to know if anyone here Has
n El Braille 14, or knows any Users of the El Braille 14 by Freedom
Scientific? I would like to get some first-hand user feedback on how it
works for them. Particularly with regard to using JAWS and the open book
software and pearl OCR camera. I intend to use the Pearl, the El Braille
40 (when it becomes US available),and related software to facilitate my
literary Braille occupation. Thanks in advance for your help and
indulgence.
Shalom,
Bill Tessore
billtessore@gmail.com
I can be contacted here or off site at Sent from my iPhone


Re: 2018 with a 250 G hardrive?

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Is there anything on it? If not you can delete it and extend the primary partition to include it.

On 11/10/2017 8:41 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
There is a partition and it has 45 Gigs. .

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: November 8, 2017 10:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: 2018 with a 250 G hardrive?

There is definitely something wrong, you can install Windowsssss and Office
on a system wwwwith a 60 Gb SSD and still have probably 40 Gb or more free
space. If you have a 250 Gb hard drive and there is nothing much other than
Windows and maybe Office there you should have at least 200 Gb or more free
space.
You said the computer was given to you, maybe it has an old Windows
installation on it although they only take maybe 3 or 4 Gb, I'd do a disk
cleanup and see what shows up and also make sure you check how much is in
the recycle bin.
Lastly, make sure the drive is not partitioned, maybe the C drive with the
Windows installation is just a 60 or 80 Gb partition and you have another
partition with the majority of the drive space in it.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David &
his pack of dogs
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 9:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: 2018 with a 250 G hardrive?

Not sure, best buy said it had a 5.1 or slightly higher processor. I am sure
it is fast, just not sure it is big enough. I got it back from Best buy
Sunday Nov. 5 and already it says I just have about 39 Gs left of storage
space. .

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: November 7, 2017 12:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: 2018 with a 250 G hardrive?

what processor does it have, such as Intel model or AMD model and speed?

-------- Original Message --------
From: David & his pack of dogs [mailto:myguidedogis@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, Nov 7, 2017 2:25 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: 2018 with a 250 G hardrive?

I was given a HP lap top by a charitable group sponsored by the government.
It has 6 Gigs of ram and a 250 G hard drive. Is that enough to run JAWS
2018 as well as other related products? The agent knew I was blind.
Perhaps the agent being sighted was not aware of the size of hard drive
needed. After all, he didn't know Window Eyes had been discontinued. I
don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth however, fear the hard drive is
not big enough to handle accessibility products. It was suggested I just
send the lap top back.















--
Sincerely: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
Grants Pass, Or.


Re: 2018 with a 250 G hardrive?

David & his pack of dogs
 

There is a partition and it has 45 Gigs. .

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: November 8, 2017 10:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: 2018 with a 250 G hardrive?

There is definitely something wrong, you can install Windowsssss and Office
on a system wwwwith a 60 Gb SSD and still have probably 40 Gb or more free
space. If you have a 250 Gb hard drive and there is nothing much other than
Windows and maybe Office there you should have at least 200 Gb or more free
space.
You said the computer was given to you, maybe it has an old Windows
installation on it although they only take maybe 3 or 4 Gb, I'd do a disk
cleanup and see what shows up and also make sure you check how much is in
the recycle bin.
Lastly, make sure the drive is not partitioned, maybe the C drive with the
Windows installation is just a 60 or 80 Gb partition and you have another
partition with the majority of the drive space in it.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David &
his pack of dogs
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 9:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: 2018 with a 250 G hardrive?

Not sure, best buy said it had a 5.1 or slightly higher processor. I am sure
it is fast, just not sure it is big enough. I got it back from Best buy
Sunday Nov. 5 and already it says I just have about 39 Gs left of storage
space. .

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: November 7, 2017 12:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: 2018 with a 250 G hardrive?

what processor does it have, such as Intel model or AMD model and speed?

-------- Original Message --------
From: David & his pack of dogs [mailto:myguidedogis@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, Nov 7, 2017 2:25 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: 2018 with a 250 G hardrive?

I was given a HP lap top by a charitable group sponsored by the government.
It has 6 Gigs of ram and a 250 G hard drive. Is that enough to run JAWS
2018 as well as other related products? The agent knew I was blind.
Perhaps the agent being sighted was not aware of the size of hard drive
needed. After all, he didn't know Window Eyes had been discontinued. I
don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth however, fear the hard drive is
not big enough to handle accessibility products. It was suggested I just
send the lap top back.


Re: Jaws doesn't speak new output in command prompt as it appears

Tony Malykh
 

Thank you! Yes, I am using Windows 10. Hope they will fix it in Jaws
soon, since it seems to be such basic functionality.

On 11/10/17, Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com> wrote:
Hi, Tony. I just spoke to VFO technical support. They are aware of this
command prompt bug, and they plan to put out updated versions of JAWS which
fix the problem.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony
Malykh
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 6:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws doesn't speak new output in command prompt as it appears

Hello listers,

I work a lot in command prompt window (also known as console/terminal)
in Windows. Some time ago, probably a few months ago, Jaws stopped
reading new output as it appears in the window. I can still get the
current line by pressing Insert+8, or I can switch to Jaws cursor and
read all the contents, but that's pretty inefficient, since I'd have
to do it for every command that I type. Is this a bug in Jaws or is
there a magic checkbox in Jaws settings that I need to check to make
it to work?

I know there is one workaround for this: turning one "Use legacy
console" checkbox in command prompt options solves the issue. That's
what I have been using so far, but now I need to use a program that
requires the new console.

Any suggestions will be appreciated!

Thank you
Tony










Re: New member/OT question.

Shai
 

Hello Randy
The issue that you speak of where writing the word budget produces the
degrees symbol in JAWS appears to have been resolved with JAWS 2018.
I am using grade 2 braille input on a Focus braille display and I just
tried it now and the degrees symbol was not produced nor pronounced by
JAWS with speech. I tried it in Word 2016 and in this email message
here.

On 11/9/17, Randy Meyer <randymeyer@charter.net> wrote:
Yes, only happens with Braille input. I need to find out if it still
happens with Jaws 2018. Thank you for the clarification.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol
Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 5:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New member/OT question.

No, Randy. I am using my pc with a keyboard. Sorry, I did not interpret
the fact that you are using braille.

Carol

On 11/8/2017 2:05 PM, Randy Meyer wrote:
Carol:

Are you using Braille input with grade 2 turned on?

When I type budget in grade 1 Braille or with a regular key board
attached, there is no problem. I am using the latest version of Jaws
18 on my ElBraille and when I have grade 2 Braille on for input dg
still is pronounced degrees.

I have not tried Braille input with Jaws 2018 on my desk top computer,
and I am not upgrading to Jaws 2018 on my ElBraille until I know it
won't cause other issues.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 5:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New member/OT question.

Hi Randy,

I just wanted to report to you that my Jaws 18 reads budget correctly.
I am using it now, while typing this message. There may be some
dictionary entry on your system that is causing this or, maybe the
change took place in the 2018 upgrade. I have not yet installed my copy.

Carol


On 11/7/2017 6:05 PM, Randy Meyer wrote:
Bill:

I purchased an ElBraille 14 about three months ago to use in place of
my Hims Braille Sense 32 cell notetaker.

First, my understanding was that you might be able to use the
ElBraille in place of a main computer has proven to be wrong. The
ElBraille has a tablet processor, which is not as fast and responsive
as my three year old desk top computer. It is similar in speed to my
Asus tablet I purchased around three years ago. Although, I do not
use the Asus tablet enough to have a good comparison, and my
ElBraille
14 may be faster, it is not as fast and responsive as my desk top
computer.
I do not use OpenBook or OCR on the Elbraile. I believe you will
need Jaws 18. You will want to buy a USB hub to give you more than
one USB port, and I also bought an HDMI adapter with a regular
monitor port for my wife to be able to give me some feedback.

Running a computer just using the Focus 14 key board has been a
learning curve. I did cheat for a while and connected a regular key
board.
The Braille translation table in Jaws does have a problem, it
recognizes dg as the degrees symbol in words. For example, budget is
pronounced bu-degrees-et. I am not sure if Jaws 2018 has an updated
translation that has corrected this. This is a Braille translation
problem, not an ElBraille problem. Also, I have not heard yet if I
can update my ElBraille to run Jaws 2018, which I am running on the
rest
of my computers.
There are times that I wish it was a little snappier running Outlook,
Word, and Excel, but it isn't too bad. I had been using the ElNotes
program to take notes, until I just decided today to use Wordpad
instead.

The makers of the ElBraille like Fire Fox, and I do not use it. I
had started using Google Chrome, but there was problems typing into
edit fields with the Braille key board when using Chrome, which I am
not sure if this is an ElBraille problem or Jaws, but I suspect it is
a Jaws problem. VFO recommended I use Internet Explorer and Ron
Miller help me get Internet Explorer to be my default browser.

Keep in mind that this is not a VFO product, and VFO did not have a
dedicated support person for the ElBraille when I last called tech
support.
Ron Miller from VFO did take the time to talk with me when I was
having some initial challenges with ElBraille. I have found it
easier and quicker to send questions direct to the Elita Group who
made the ElBraille, and they do respond fairly quickly.

I hope this helps, and let me know if you have any further questions.
I still believe the best notetaker in the future will be a full
featured windows computer or tablet, which is why I am willing to go
through the challenge of using the ElBraille.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bill Tessore
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2017 1:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New member/OT question.

Hi all, I am a JAWS 17 user, and I am interested to know if anyone
here Has n El Braille 14, or knows any Users of the El Braille 14 by
Freedom Scientific? I would like to get some first-hand user feedback
on how it works for them. Particularly with regard to using JAWS and
the open book software and pearl OCR camera. I intend to use the
Pearl, the El Braille 40 (when it becomes US available),and related
software to facilitate my literary Braille occupation. Thanks in
advance
for your help and indulgence.
Shalom,
Bill Tessore
billtessore@gmail.com
I can be contacted here or off site at Sent from my iPhone




















Re: New member/OT question.

Vicky Collins
 

Hi Randy and All,

Regarding using the ElBraille with the version of JAWS that comes on the unit, I thought I heard on one of the lists, although I can't recall which list or the exact comment, that either sleep or hibernate was unable to be used. Do you know if that is the case for either or both of these things?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Meyer" <randymeyer@charter.net
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date sent: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 17:05:45 -0600
Subject: Re: New member/OT question.

Bill:

I purchased an ElBraille 14 about three months ago to use in place of my
Hims Braille Sense 32 cell notetaker.

First, my understanding was that you might be able to use the ElBraille in
place of a main computer has proven to be wrong. The ElBraille has a tablet
processor, which is not as fast and responsive as my three year old desk top
computer. It is similar in speed to my Asus tablet I purchased around three
years ago. Although, I do not use the Asus tablet enough to have a good
comparison, and my ElBraille 14 may be faster, it is not as fast and
responsive as my desk top computer.

I do not use OpenBook or OCR on the Elbraile. I believe you will need Jaws
18. You will want to buy a USB hub to give you more than one USB port, and
I also bought an HDMI adapter with a regular monitor port for my wife to be
able to give me some feedback.

Running a computer just using the Focus 14 key board has been a learning
curve. I did cheat for a while and connected a regular key board.

The Braille translation table in Jaws does have a problem, it recognizes dg
as the degrees symbol in words. For example, budget is pronounced
bu-degrees-et. I am not sure if Jaws 2018 has an updated translation that
has corrected this. This is a Braille translation problem, not an ElBraille
problem. Also, I have not heard yet if I can update my ElBraille to run
Jaws 2018, which I am running on the rest of my computers.

There are times that I wish it was a little snappier running Outlook, Word,
and Excel, but it isn't too bad. I had been using the ElNotes program to
take notes, until I just decided today to use Wordpad instead.

The makers of the ElBraille like Fire Fox, and I do not use it. I had
started using Google Chrome, but there was problems typing into edit fields
with the Braille key board when using Chrome, which I am not sure if this is
an ElBraille problem or Jaws, but I suspect it is a Jaws problem. VFO
recommended I use Internet Explorer and Ron Miller help me get Internet
Explorer to be my default browser.

Keep in mind that this is not a VFO product, and VFO did not have a
dedicated support person for the ElBraille when I last called tech support.
Ron Miller from VFO did take the time to talk with me when I was having some
initial challenges with ElBraille. I have found it easier and quicker to
send questions direct to the Elita Group who made the ElBraille, and they do
respond fairly quickly.

I hope this helps, and let me know if you have any further questions. I
still believe the best notetaker in the future will be a full featured
windows computer or tablet, which is why I am willing to go through the
challenge of using the ElBraille.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
Tessore
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2017 1:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New member/OT question.

Hi all, I am a JAWS 17 user, and I am interested to know if anyone here Has
n El Braille 14, or knows any Users of the El Braille 14 by Freedom
Scientific? I would like to get some first-hand user feedback on how it
works for them. Particularly with regard to using JAWS and the open book
software and pearl OCR camera. I intend to use the Pearl, the El Braille 40
(when it becomes US available),and related software to facilitate my
literary Braille occupation. Thanks in advance for your help and indulgence.
Shalom,
Bill Tessore
billtessore@gmail.com
I can be contacted here or off site at Sent from my iPhone


Re: Jaws doesn't speak new output in command prompt as it appears

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Tony. I just spoke to VFO technical support. They are aware of this command prompt bug, and they plan to put out updated versions of JAWS which fix the problem.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 6:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws doesn't speak new output in command prompt as it appears

Hello listers,

I work a lot in command prompt window (also known as console/terminal)
in Windows. Some time ago, probably a few months ago, Jaws stopped
reading new output as it appears in the window. I can still get the
current line by pressing Insert+8, or I can switch to Jaws cursor and
read all the contents, but that's pretty inefficient, since I'd have
to do it for every command that I type. Is this a bug in Jaws or is
there a magic checkbox in Jaws settings that I need to check to make
it to work?

I know there is one workaround for this: turning one "Use legacy
console" checkbox in command prompt options solves the issue. That's
what I have been using so far, but now I need to use a program that
requires the new console.

Any suggestions will be appreciated!

Thank you
Tony


Re: Using JAWS to Download a Book from a Particular Web Site

Mario
 

according to an fs blog by Jonathan Mosen, JAWS users should use Firefox
ESR (52.4.1) since Firefox Quantum (version 57 due in 4 days) isn't
efficiently screen reader accessible without impairing Mozilla's efforts
to improve Firefox's performance.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, Nov 10, 2017 9:33 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Using JAWS to Download a Book from a Particular Web Site

ESR stands for "Extended Support Release based on an official release of
Firefox for desktop for use by organizations including schools,
universities, businesses and others who need extended support for mass
deployments." for us blind users, the advantage is that ESR will
continue to receive security updates without user interface changes,
thus maintaining screen reader accessibility.
screen readers

-------- Original Message --------
From: Jessica Raichle [mailto:jdraichle@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, Nov 9, 2017 6:08 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Using JAWS to Download a Book from a Particular Web Site

What is the ESR version?
Jessica



-----Original Message----- From: Mario
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using JAWS to Download a Book from a Particular Web Site

Rick, if you decide to try Firefox, install the ESR version unless you
can see enough to use a browser without speech.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Thursday, Nov 9, 2017 1:14 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Using JAWS to Download a Book from a Particular Web Site

Firefox isn't that hard to install and to use.



Bill White

Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick
Miller
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 9:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using JAWS to Download a Book from a Particular Web Site



Unfortunately, I don't have Firefox.







Rick Miller



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 5:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using JAWS to Download a Book from a Particular Web Site



Perhaps . . . . you need to just plain use Firefox. Lots of web sites work
better on one brouser over another.

Sharon



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick
Miller
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 8:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using JAWS to Download a Book from a Particular Web Site



Dear Richard:



Using Internet Explorer, I sign in with My Account.  Then I search for the
book.  When results pop up I go to its page.  Then I find right above the
Submit button there are a whole bunch of combo boxes such as All Series,
All
Authors, ALL IDs, etc.  I have tried just what you suggested by just
arrowing up above the Submit button, but it is not working.  Someone asked
me what browser I was using, saying that with Firefox it can be done.  I am
not using Firefox, though.  I am using Internet Explorer.







Rick Miller



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2017 6:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using JAWS to Download a Book from a Particular Web Site



Rick,

Using Firefox, it is clearly possible to get to the download link after
selecting a book.  Note that the book download link is above the submit
button rather than after it.

However, when you follow that download link you get to the "check out" page
where it clearly states:



You must be logged in to checkout.



You have to sign up as a patron in order to download anything.

The How to become a patron file makes that pretty clear.



I hope that helps,

Richard





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick
Miller
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 3:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Using JAWS to Download a Book from a Particular Web Site



Dear Listers:



Are any of you familiar with Audio Book Ministries, also known as Tape
Ministries for the Blind?  They have an online accessible library from
which
their books can be downloaded, but doing it using JAWS is very hard.  Their
address is:



https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.audiobookministries.org&data=02%7C01%7Cmrb620%40hotmail.com%7C286abebe022b47204d7308d52739345a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636458048994177241&sdata=9J4bMuicyhxNDuCxVH6K%2Bd1KnfZyhUIw7lOtl7hbUbA%3D&reserved=0


<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.audiob


ookministries.org&data=02%7C01%7Crichardturner42%40outlook.com%7Cfbcb94a19a6


148d9e6c508d525cf6dbd%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636456495


182633796&sdata=%2FvJrc2Yfll1LoqCNZDxyLtj2CQMHV7m3VJT2I0fsdzY%3D&reserved=0>






Right now the employee they have who is knowledgeable about screen readers
and about JAWS is on medical leave and they don't know when he will be back
again.  So if any of you are familiar with this particular web site and
maybe, by chance, might have downloaded a book from it, would you please be
so kind as to access it and figure out how it can be done using JAWS?  You
don't have to sign in to do this-at least not for the help I am asking for.
Just go to the web page and find the "Online Library Access," link and hit
the Enter key.  Then if you just find any book, try to figure out how to
get
to the page where the book can be downloaded.  When you get to the page
that
has the book description, you'll see there is no direct link to download
the
book.  There is a "downloads," link but it will not take you to the
"download," page for the book you wish to download.  Instead, it takes you
to the page where there are various things that can be downloaded, such as
the AudioBook Ministries tax summary and various other things not at all
related to the book you wish to download.  When you find a book, just tell
me how to use JAWS to get to the book's download page.



Thanks for any help you can give.







Rick Miller













.





.


Re: Is There a JFW2018 Home Use Version?

David Pearson
 

Hello Dani:

I hadThe Jaws 2018 release downloaded to my desktop pc a few days ago from FS(via tandem), and when it starts, it does say "home use". so I guess that there is a home use version. As to the call to FS, it's probably your best option for a knowledgeable answer.

Sincerely,



David S. Pearson

-----Original Message-----
From: Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 9:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Is There a JFW2018 Home Use Version?

Hi, Everyone.
When I checked my serial number at FS's site, it showed that I have
one upgrade remaining before I can renew my SMA.

I'm using JFW17 Home.

I tried upgrading to JFW2018 and both the Tandem and Non-tandem
versions are listed as Professional. Both ask for activations when I
try to use them.

Would anyone on list know if there's an upgrade for the Home version?
I'll call FS Monday to check with them, but was wondering if a list
member might have an answer in the meantime.

Thanks,
Dani


Re: Using JAWS to Download a Book from a Particular Web Site

Mario
 

ESR stands for "Extended Support Release based on an official release of
Firefox for desktop for use by organizations including schools,
universities, businesses and others who need extended support for mass
deployments." for us blind users, the advantage is that ESR will
continue to receive security updates without user interface changes,
thus maintaining screen reader accessibility.
screen readers

-------- Original Message --------
From: Jessica Raichle [mailto:jdraichle@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, Nov 9, 2017 6:08 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Using JAWS to Download a Book from a Particular Web Site

What is the ESR version?
Jessica



-----Original Message----- From: Mario
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using JAWS to Download a Book from a Particular Web Site

Rick, if you decide to try Firefox, install the ESR version unless you
can see enough to use a browser without speech.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Thursday, Nov 9, 2017 1:14 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Using JAWS to Download a Book from a Particular Web Site

Firefox isn't that hard to install and to use.



Bill White

Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick
Miller
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 9:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using JAWS to Download a Book from a Particular Web Site



Unfortunately, I don't have Firefox.







Rick Miller



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 5:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using JAWS to Download a Book from a Particular Web Site



Perhaps . . . . you need to just plain use Firefox. Lots of web sites work
better on one brouser over another.

Sharon



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick
Miller
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 8:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using JAWS to Download a Book from a Particular Web Site



Dear Richard:



Using Internet Explorer, I sign in with My Account.  Then I search for the
book.  When results pop up I go to its page.  Then I find right above the
Submit button there are a whole bunch of combo boxes such as All Series,
All
Authors, ALL IDs, etc.  I have tried just what you suggested by just
arrowing up above the Submit button, but it is not working.  Someone asked
me what browser I was using, saying that with Firefox it can be done.  I am
not using Firefox, though.  I am using Internet Explorer.







Rick Miller



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2017 6:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using JAWS to Download a Book from a Particular Web Site



Rick,

Using Firefox, it is clearly possible to get to the download link after
selecting a book.  Note that the book download link is above the submit
button rather than after it.

However, when you follow that download link you get to the "check out" page
where it clearly states:



You must be logged in to checkout.



You have to sign up as a patron in order to download anything.

The How to become a patron file makes that pretty clear.



I hope that helps,

Richard





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick
Miller
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 3:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Using JAWS to Download a Book from a Particular Web Site



Dear Listers:



Are any of you familiar with Audio Book Ministries, also known as Tape
Ministries for the Blind?  They have an online accessible library from
which
their books can be downloaded, but doing it using JAWS is very hard.  Their
address is:



https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.audiobookministries.org&data=02%7C01%7Cmrb620%40hotmail.com%7C286abebe022b47204d7308d52739345a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636458048994177241&sdata=9J4bMuicyhxNDuCxVH6K%2Bd1KnfZyhUIw7lOtl7hbUbA%3D&reserved=0


<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.audiob


ookministries.org&data=02%7C01%7Crichardturner42%40outlook.com%7Cfbcb94a19a6


148d9e6c508d525cf6dbd%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636456495


182633796&sdata=%2FvJrc2Yfll1LoqCNZDxyLtj2CQMHV7m3VJT2I0fsdzY%3D&reserved=0>






Right now the employee they have who is knowledgeable about screen readers
and about JAWS is on medical leave and they don't know when he will be back
again.  So if any of you are familiar with this particular web site and
maybe, by chance, might have downloaded a book from it, would you please be
so kind as to access it and figure out how it can be done using JAWS?  You
don't have to sign in to do this-at least not for the help I am asking for.
Just go to the web page and find the "Online Library Access," link and hit
the Enter key.  Then if you just find any book, try to figure out how to
get
to the page where the book can be downloaded.  When you get to the page
that
has the book description, you'll see there is no direct link to download
the
book.  There is a "downloads," link but it will not take you to the
"download," page for the book you wish to download.  Instead, it takes you
to the page where there are various things that can be downloaded, such as
the AudioBook Ministries tax summary and various other things not at all
related to the book you wish to download.  When you find a book, just tell
me how to use JAWS to get to the book's download page.



Thanks for any help you can give.







Rick Miller













.