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using update installer built-into windows 10

Jessica D <jldail13@...>
 

Hi,

I’m using Jaws 2018, and Windows 10 version 1703 at the moment.

I just got an alert in Windows update for the “fall creators update (version 1709.)

Can anyone tell me how to install it?

        Is this the most efficiant way to daccomplish this task?

 

Thanks,

Jessica

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: throwing away jaws disks?

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Oh yeah, You are right about that. It has been so long since I didnt have a internet connection that never crossed my mind. This really is a connected world now.

On 10/26/2017 1:32 PM, Joseph Norton wrote:
Actually, unless this has changed, the downloaded install file you get for JAWS has to download the OCR component during setup.

The DVD has it already on disc and so doesn't require an Internet connection to completely set up.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 2:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: throwing away jaws disks?

why?
the disks are another form of backup.
what do you do if your computer crashes and windows has to be reinstalled?
even if you have the downloaded jaws files they may not be a full copy of jaws.
at least with the disks you know they are a full copy.
i don't know if you can copy the jaws disks. but i was able to copy all the window eyes files to flash drives. i just had to manually fine the setup.exe file to do a installation to a new drive. etc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 11:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Win 2018



Sorry for the previous message, I am somewhere with a very slow internet
connection and while I thought it was writing my message all it wrote was "I".



Anyways, I wonder why they still bother sending out a disk, often by the time
it arrives they have already released an update and I wish instead of wasting
all these resources they would just ask the user if they want a physical copy.
I haven't used one probably in more than 10 years and just throw them away.



Regards,

Sieghard





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 11:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Win 2018





I



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kenny Peyattt
jr.
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 11:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Win 2018



Yes that is true. Fs will send a new copy of jaws on disk.



-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 2:30 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Win wanta
away.themthrow,physical



New to Jaws. I have two /SMA's and assume one will be used by this upgrade.
Is it my understanding that if you have a SMA FS also sends you a new copy of
Jaws on disc?

Thanks

























--
Sincerely: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
Grants Pass, Or.


Re: throwing away jaws disks?

Joseph Norton
 

Actually, unless this has changed, the downloaded install file you get for JAWS has to download the OCR component during setup.

The DVD has it already on disc and so doesn't require an Internet connection to completely set up.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 2:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: throwing away jaws disks?

why?
the disks are another form of backup.
what do you do if your computer crashes and windows has to be reinstalled?
even if you have the downloaded jaws files they may not be a full copy of jaws.
at least with the disks you know they are a full copy.
i don't know if you can copy the jaws disks. but i was able to copy all the window eyes files to flash drives. i just had to manually fine the setup.exe file to do a installation to a new drive. etc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 11:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Win 2018



Sorry for the previous message, I am somewhere with a very slow internet
connection and while I thought it was writing my message all it wrote was "I".



Anyways, I wonder why they still bother sending out a disk, often by the time
it arrives they have already released an update and I wish instead of wasting
all these resources they would just ask the user if they want a physical copy.
I haven't used one probably in more than 10 years and just throw them away.



Regards,

Sieghard





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 11:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Win 2018





I



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kenny Peyattt
jr.
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 11:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Win 2018



Yes that is true. Fs will send a new copy of jaws on disk.



-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 2:30 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Win wanta
away.themthrow,physical



New to Jaws. I have two /SMA's and assume one will be used by this upgrade.
Is it my understanding that if you have a SMA FS also sends you a new copy of
Jaws on disc?

Thanks


Re: Win 2018

Joseph Norton
 

Hmmm.

 

I wouldn’t throw them away.  You never know when you might need to re-install JAWS in an emergency with no Internet connection.

 

Granted, you can’t authorize, and, that gives me an idea.

 

FS could grant a user with a valid authorization number a temporary 7-day licence for those times.  OTS Labs does that with their products.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Win 2018

 

Sorry for the previous message, I am somewhere with a very slow internet connection and while I thought it was writing my message all it wrote was "I".

 

Anyways, I wonder why they still bother sending out a disk, often by the time it arrives they have already released an update and I wish instead of wasting all these resources they would just ask the user if they want a physical copy. I haven't used one probably in more than 10 years and just throw them away.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 11:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Win 2018

 

I

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kenny Peyattt jr.
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 11:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Win 2018

 

Yes that is true. Fs will send a new copy of jaws on disk.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 2:30 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Win wanta                                        away.themthrow,physical

 

New to Jaws.  I have two /SMA's and assume one will be used by this upgrade.  Is it my understanding that if you have a SMA FS also sends you a new copy of Jaws on disc?

Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: throwing away jaws disks?

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

This is not the case with Jaws. The download is the full application. U need your activation number. This is on a separate disk from the install disk but you can put it in a text file and just copy and paste it when doing a new install. After you enter the activation code Jaws will go online and ask VFO if it is a licensed version and VFO will give it a unlocking code or an error if you are not authorized for that version or are out of activation keys. You get 3 keys after that you have to ask for more. as long as you don't use an excessive amount of keys you will always get more when you ask for them.

On 10/26/2017 1:11 PM, netbat66 wrote:
i haven't had jaws long enough to know.
i use window eyes and the downloded version has never been a full installation copy unless it was a major upgrade like jaws 18 to 2018.
with window eyes your license is embedded on the disks. the downloaded file does not. so it would run as a demo if the full installation is not installed first.


-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: throwing away jaws disks?

Why is a downloaded copy of Jaws not a full copy? It has been ever since I have been using them and if I have to reinstall a computer from scratch I usually make sure I have the latest version downloaded either on a computer on the network where I can grab it or on a USB stick. I guess if you are worried you don't have internet access when you install you also should download the OCR component as that is downloaded during the install, but by the time I am ready to install Jaws I do have internet access.
For one thing, I only have one old desktop left which even has a disk drive and while I am aware that you can buy external drives which plug into a USB port, I don't want to bother. Anyhow, I'm not saying everybody has to throw away the disks, I'm just saying FS could save themselves some money by asking their customers if they want a disk or not, it should be easy enough nowadays to have this information associated with your profile/serial number.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: throwing away jaws disks?

why?
the disks are another form of backup.
what do you do if your computer crashes and windows has to be reinstalled?
even if you have the downloaded jaws files they may not be a full copy of jaws.
at least with the disks you know they are a full copy.
i don't know if you can copy the jaws disks. but i was able to copy all the window eyes files to flash drives. i just had to manually fine the setup.exe file to do a installation to a new drive. etc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 11:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Win 2018



Sorry for the previous message, I am somewhere with a very slow internet
connection and while I thought it was writing my message all it wrote was "I".



Anyways, I wonder why they still bother sending out a disk, often by the time
it arrives they have already released an update and I wish instead of wasting
all these resources they would just ask the user if they want a physical copy.
I haven't used one probably in more than 10 years and just throw them away.



Regards,

Sieghard





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 11:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Win 2018





I



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kenny Peyattt
jr.
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 11:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Win 2018



Yes that is true. Fs will send a new copy of jaws on disk.



-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 2:30 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Win wanta
away.themthrow,physical



New to Jaws. I have two /SMA's and assume one will be used by this upgrade.
Is it my understanding that if you have a SMA FS also sends you a new copy of
Jaws on disc?

Thanks




























--
Sincerely: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
Grants Pass, Or.


Re: Edge tutorial

Gudrun Brunot
 

Thank you, David, very generous to prepare and share this. I just grabbed it.



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Edge tutorial

Hi all!

Here is my text tutorial on using the Microsoft Edge Browser.

I explain what I am doing, and what JAWS is saying, so you can follow along on your computer.

Edge works very well, with JAWS 2018.

Here is the tutorial right below, pasted right here:

Tutorial for Using Microsoft Edge

By

David Moore

I am using the latest public build of Windows 10 Creators update.

If you are using anything different than that, you might get different results.

When you can press spacebar or enter, I will list them both.

If I only list enter, that means that you can only use enter.

If I only list Spacebar, that means that you can only press spacebar to toggle something, for example.

I have a list of all key commands for Edge at the end of this tutorial. Through the tutorial, I will point out many key commands as well, as I go.



Section Number One

Opening the Edge Browser:

Press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape, to open the start area. Next, type Edge and enter when Narrator announces it.

Press enter, and the Edge browser should open.



Section Number Two

Opening the Freedom Scientific Web Site:

I pressed CTRL+L (alt+D works as well) and entered:

www.freedomscientific.com

That is the site for Freedom Scientific.

The web site came up very quickly.

I can use all navigation keys, like H for heading, C for Combo Box, E for edit area, , for example, just like other browsers, and they all work.

Section Three

Pressing alt+X to get a large Virticle Menu:

Now, I will now press ALT+X to open the settings and more menu! This is to the right of the address bar, but Alt+X opens this same menu. We have a lot in this virticle menu.a large virticle menu of choices. When I down arrow, I here the following:

New Window (CTRL+N), New InPrivate Window (CTRL+SHIFT+P), Zoom out, Zoom in, Cast media to device, Find on page, Print, Pin this page to Start, F12 Developer Tools, Open with Internet Explorer, Send feedback, Extensions, What's new and Tips, and finally, Settings. Extensions and Settings are the main two choices we are interested in with this menu. Key commands will do the rest.

Next, I will talk about settings.

Section Four:

Navigating settings and Advance settings:

Press alt+X again, and up arrow once to settings, because that is the last choice.

Press enter on settings.

You will hear:

Choose a Theme light.

Don't worry about that!

Tab once, and you will hear:

Open Microsoft Edge with a page or set of pages combo box.

This is how you choose how you want Microsoft Edge to open.

I have mine set to a specific page or pages.

Now, Tab again, and you have an edit field where you can type in your pages that you want opened When Microsoft Edge is launched.

I just entered:

www.google.com

Therefore, when I start Edge, the Google home page opens for me.

Tabbing again:

I hear delete button, where you can press spacebar or enter to delete your page or pages.

Tabbing again, I hear Add Button, where you can press spacebar or enter and add another page that you want to open when Edge is started.

Tabbing again, I hear:

Open new tabs with combo box.

I have this set to a blank page.

Tab again, and you will hear:

Import from another browser button.

You can press spacebar or enter here to import all favorites and settings from other browsers you use, like IE 11 or Chrome, or Firefox.

Tab again, and you will hear:

Show the favorites bar toggle.

I have this unchecked, because I do not want everyone to see my favorites on a bar right on the Edge Window. Press spacebar to check or uncheck..

Tab again, and you hear:

Choose what to clear.

If you press spacebar on this, you can tab and check or uncheck what is cleared when you delete your history. You can also choose whether this should be cleared every time you close the Edge browser.

Tab, and you will either hear Account Settings or your MSA account link, depending on your account setting.

Tabbing again, I hear:

Sync your favorites and reading list unchecked.

You definitely want to check this by pressing spacebar, so all of your Edge data will be synced between all of your devices. If you do not want this, then uncheck it with spacebar.

Tab again, and you hear:

Sync device settings link.

Tab again, and you hear:

View Advanced settings button.

This is important, and I will cover that in a bit.

Tab again, and you hear:

Terms of use link.

Tab again, and you hear:

Privacy statement link.

Tab again, and you hear:

Pin this pane button.

Tab again, and you hear:

Change my default button.

We are back to the beginning of settings. Now, let us go through the advanced settings.

Next, press Alt+X, and up arrow once to settings, and press enter. Now, Shift tab to Advanced settings, since that was almost at the end of what we tabbed through. Go ahead and enter on the advanced settings. There is a lot you can customise here. Let’s tab through this menu.

Press enter on Advanced Settings, and you hear:

Show the home button toggle.

I have this pressed, by using spacebar, because I want my home page to show in the Edge Window!

Tab again, and you hear:

A specific page collapsed. This is what I want.

Tab again, and there is an edit field to put the URL of what you want your home page to be.

I want my home page to be the same page is my start page, so I just enter:

www.google.com

to be my home page.

Now:

www.google.com

is my start page and my home page.

To go back to your home page from anywhere, just press:

Alt+Home

Tab again, and you hear:

Save Button.

Press spacebar or enter on this to save your home page.

You now hear:

block pop-ups toggle.

I have mine unchecked, by using the spacebar, because I want pages to come up, that are considered pop-ups.

However, to keep safe, you should probably have that checked, so Edge will indeed block pop-ups.

This is up to you.

Tab again, and you hear:

Use Adobe Flash Player.

I have this checked, with the spacebar, because a lot of web sites still need Adobe flash to play videos and the like.

Tab again, and you hear:

Open sites in apps.

I have this checked with spacebar.

Tab again, and you hear:

Choose which sites open in apps button.

I have this checked. Next, Choose which sites open in apps. This will launch the Settings app where you can customize whether to open certain web site in an app or in the browser.

Tab again, and you hear:

Change button.

I hear change button, you can use this to change where to save downloaded files to.

Tab again, and you hear:

Ask me what to do with each download toggle.

I have that checked, with spacebar, because when I download something, I want it to ask me if I want to save or open and so on.

Tab again, and you hear:

Open Proxy settings button.

I left this alone.

Tab again, and you hear:

Manage button.

I left this alone.

Tab again, and you hear:

Learn more link.

Tab again, and you hear:

Offer to save passwords toggle.

I checked this, with spacebar, so I can have a password saved if I want.

Tab again, and you hear:

Manage Passwords button.

I left this alone.

Tab again, and you hear:

Save form entries toggle.

I have this checked with spacebar.

Tab again, and you hear:

Send do not track requests toggle.

I have this unchecked with spacebar.

Tab again, and you hear:

Have Cortana assist me in Microsoft Edge.

I have mine turnned on with spacebar. If you want this off, just press spacebar until you hear unchecked or off. sometimes, it will say on or off, or, it will say checked or unchecked. You will hear both ways spoken, but they are the same.

Tab again, and you hear:

Change Search Engine button:

This is important, because I pressed space bar or enter on that, and it was a combo box that was set on Bing. Keep that if you want, but I changed mine to Google.

I like Google to do my searches rather than Bing.

When you are done with this, Tab and hear will hear:

Back button.

Press space on that, to go back to the advanced settings that we are in.

The back button shows up a lot in Edge, so you can just go back to where you were.

Tab again, and you hear:

Show search and site suggestions as I type toggle.

I used spacebar to uncheck that, because I do not like suggestions to populate as I type in the address bar.

Tab again, and you hear:

Clear Bing search history link.

I did nothing with that.

Tab again, and you hear:

Optimize Taskbar web search results for screen readers.

Mine is check; to uncheck, just use spacebar.

Tab again, and you hear:

Don't block cookies combo box collapsed.

I left that alone.

Tab again, and you hear:

Let sites save protected media licenses on my device.

This is checked.

Tab again, and you hear:

Use page prodiction to speed up websites.

I have this check. To uncheck, just use spacebar, but you want this checked.

Tab again, and you hear:

Help protect me from malicious sites and downloads with Windows Defender Smartscreen toggle.

I kept this checked.

Tab again, and you hear:

Pin this Pane button.

Tab again, and you hear:

Back button.

Guess what this is for.

Entering on this takes you back to just plain old settings.

Remember, we entered on Advanced settings within settings.

Pressing spacebar or enter on this back button, takes you back to settings where we chose our start page and all of that.

Therefore, we are all done with Settings.

Look at what you know already, just by pressing Alt+X, up arrow once to settings, and press enter, tab through settings, enter on advanced settings, tab through those settings, and press enter on the back button to get you back to settings, and just press escape twice to get out of settings, and you are back on the Freedom Scientific web site we started out with.

Important:

You must press escape twice to get out of settings and back on to the Freedom Scientific web site.



Section Five

Getting to, and navigating the Hub.

Now, I will show you how to get to the Hub. The Hub is located just after the address bar area. It has 5 tabs: Favorites, Reading list, Books, History and Downloads. However, instead of often coming here, we will activate three of these tabs with key commands right from your web site.

Now, this is where your starting place will be a lot in Edge:

Press alt+D or CTRL+L to get to the address bar or whatever it is called in Edge LOL!

Important, we will get to everything else by tabbing or shift tabbing from the address bar. However, you won't need to do this often, because we can activate this stuff by key commands right from the Web site. The address bar is your starting place, so you can tab to get to everything else that we will talk about in Edge. If you get on that address bar, you are set to get to everything else that is on top of the Edge Window.

So now, from the Freedom Scientific web site:

Press Alt+D or CTRL+L

You should hear the URL of the Freedom Scientific web site.

You are on the address bar, our starting place.

Tab once, and you hear:

Add to favorites or reading list button.

If you press enter here, you will save the Freedom Scientific web site that we are on in your favorites. However, you can do this by just pressing CTRL+D from the web site. Just press enter, and tab to save and press enter. This is how you will save a web site in your favorites.

Tab again, and you hear:

Hub ( Favorites, Reading List, Books, History, and Downloads toggle button not pressed.

Now, just tab a few times to get back to the web site. That is all you need to do from up here. You can also press F6 to get from this upper area back to the web site.

To get back to the Hub, press Ctrl + I to open the first tab in the Hub, the Favorites tab.

You will hear Narrator announce Hub, Favorites window, tab control, Favorite tab selected 1 of 5.

Here we are in our favorites. I can tab twice to the list of favorites then arrow up and down through my favorites.

If I Shift+Tab twice, I am back on the five tabs. I can navigate these tabs, by just pressing the right and left arrow keys. Press right arrow, and you will hear the other four tabs, Reading list, Books, History, and Downloads.

When you right arrow to the Books tab, Tab from here, and I hear Get Books button, Sign in button, and Shop for Books button. This is exciting.

The fourth tab is the History tab, you can press Ctrl + H to get to it directly.

I can delete my history, and look at my history here.

The 5th and last tab, is my Downloads tab. Open it by pressing Ctrl + J. Here is where you come to view your downloads, and check on the status of a download in progress.

So, that is it for the HUB button.

I pressed Esc to get out of Hub. The only two tabs that there are not key commands to go to them are the Books and Reading list, which you will not use that much anyway.

I just want you to see that you can press right and left arrow keys on the tabs, but you can get to those tabs with one of the three key commands:

CTRL+I for the Favorites tab, CTRL+H, for the History Tab, and CTRL+J for the downloads tab.

We are done with using the Hub!



Section Six:

Key commands for using Microsoft Edge:

Here are many key commands to navigate and work with Edge. Many of these are the same as in other browsers.

Microsoft Edge keyboard shortcuts

table with 2 columns and 40 rows

Press this key

To do this

Ctrl + D

Add current site to favorites or reading list

Ctrl + I

Open favorites pane

Ctrl + J

Open downloads pane

Ctrl + H

Open history pane

Ctrl + P

Print the current page

Ctrl + F

Find on page

Alt + C

Open Cortana while you are in Edge!

Ctrl + Shift + R

Enter reading view

Ctrl + T

Open a new tab

Ctrl + Shift + T

Reopen the last closed tab

Ctrl + W or Ctrl + F4

Close the active tab

Ctrl + K

Duplicate tab

Ctrl + N

Open a new window

Ctrl + Shift + P

Open a new InPrivate Browsing window

Ctrl + Tab

Switch to the next tab

Ctrl + Shift + Tab

Switch to the previous tab

Ctrl + 1, 2, 3, and so on

Switch to a specific tab number

Ctrl + 9

Switch to the last tab

Ctrl + plus

Zoom in (25%)

Ctrl + minus

Zoom out (25%)

Ctrl + 0

Reset zoom level

Backspace or Alt + Left arrow

Go back to last web page

Alt + Right arrow

Go forward to next web page

F5 or Ctrl + R

Refresh the page

Escape

Stop loading the page

Ctrl + L or F4 or Alt + D

Select the address bar

Ctrl + Shift + L

Open address bar query in a new tab

Ctrl + E

Open a search query in the address bar

Ctrl + Enter

Add www. to the beginning and .com to the end of text typed in the address bar

Ctrl + click

Open link in a new tab

Ctrl + Shift + click

Open link in a new tab and switch to that tab

Alt + Shift + click

Open link in a new window

Ctrl + Shift +M

Start creating web notes

Ctrl + Alt + M

Copy selected content into a web note

F12

Open F12 Developer Tools

Ctrl + U

View source

F6

Toggle focus between webpage content and the address bar

F7

Turn caret browsing on for the active tab

Ctrl + Shift + Delete

Show controls to clear browsing data



Please give me your feed back, and how much you hear what I hear when tabbing and the like.

That is all for this tutorial.

David Moore

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10



From: Nino Dagostino <mailto:ndagostino3@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 4:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Edge tutorial



Hi:

Where can I get the edge tutorial?

Thank you


Re: throwing away jaws disks?

netbat66
 

i haven't had jaws long enough to know.
i use window eyes and the downloded version has never been a full installation copy unless it was a major upgrade like jaws 18 to 2018.
with window eyes your license is embedded on the disks. the downloaded file does not. so it would run as a demo if the full installation is not installed first.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: throwing away jaws disks?

Why is a downloaded copy of Jaws not a full copy? It has been ever since I have been using them and if I have to reinstall a computer from scratch I usually make sure I have the latest version downloaded either on a computer on the network where I can grab it or on a USB stick. I guess if you are worried you don't have internet access when you install you also should download the OCR component as that is downloaded during the install, but by the time I am ready to install Jaws I do have internet access.
For one thing, I only have one old desktop left which even has a disk drive and while I am aware that you can buy external drives which plug into a USB port, I don't want to bother. Anyhow, I'm not saying everybody has to throw away the disks, I'm just saying FS could save themselves some money by asking their customers if they want a disk or not, it should be easy enough nowadays to have this information associated with your profile/serial number.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: throwing away jaws disks?

why?
the disks are another form of backup.
what do you do if your computer crashes and windows has to be reinstalled?
even if you have the downloaded jaws files they may not be a full copy of jaws.
at least with the disks you know they are a full copy.
i don't know if you can copy the jaws disks. but i was able to copy all the window eyes files to flash drives. i just had to manually fine the setup.exe file to do a installation to a new drive. etc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 11:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Win 2018



Sorry for the previous message, I am somewhere with a very slow internet
connection and while I thought it was writing my message all it wrote was "I".



Anyways, I wonder why they still bother sending out a disk, often by the time
it arrives they have already released an update and I wish instead of wasting
all these resources they would just ask the user if they want a physical copy.
I haven't used one probably in more than 10 years and just throw them away.



Regards,

Sieghard





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 11:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Win 2018





I



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kenny Peyattt
jr.
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 11:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Win 2018



Yes that is true. Fs will send a new copy of jaws on disk.



-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 2:30 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Win wanta
away.themthrow,physical



New to Jaws. I have two /SMA's and assume one will be used by this upgrade.
Is it my understanding that if you have a SMA FS also sends you a new copy of
Jaws on disc?

Thanks


Re: throwing away jaws disks?

 

Why is a downloaded copy of Jaws not a full copy? It has been ever since I have been using them and if I have to reinstall a computer from scratch I usually make sure I have the latest version downloaded either on a computer on the network where I can grab it or on a USB stick. I guess if you are worried you don't have internet access when you install you also should download the OCR component as that is downloaded during the install, but by the time I am ready to install Jaws I do have internet access.
For one thing, I only have one old desktop left which even has a disk drive and while I am aware that you can buy external drives which plug into a USB port, I don't want to bother. Anyhow, I'm not saying everybody has to throw away the disks, I'm just saying FS could save themselves some money by asking their customers if they want a disk or not, it should be easy enough nowadays to have this information associated with your profile/serial number.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: throwing away jaws disks?

why?
the disks are another form of backup.
what do you do if your computer crashes and windows has to be reinstalled?
even if you have the downloaded jaws files they may not be a full copy of jaws.
at least with the disks you know they are a full copy.
i don't know if you can copy the jaws disks. but i was able to copy all the window eyes files to flash drives. i just had to manually fine the setup.exe file to do a installation to a new drive. etc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 11:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Win 2018



Sorry for the previous message, I am somewhere with a very slow internet
connection and while I thought it was writing my message all it wrote was "I".



Anyways, I wonder why they still bother sending out a disk, often by the time
it arrives they have already released an update and I wish instead of wasting
all these resources they would just ask the user if they want a physical copy.
I haven't used one probably in more than 10 years and just throw them away.



Regards,

Sieghard





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 11:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Win 2018





I



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kenny Peyattt
jr.
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 11:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Win 2018



Yes that is true. Fs will send a new copy of jaws on disk.



-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 2:30 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Win wanta
away.themthrow,physical



New to Jaws. I have two /SMA's and assume one will be used by this upgrade.
Is it my understanding that if you have a SMA FS also sends you a new copy of
Jaws on disc?

Thanks


Re: throwing away jaws disks?

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

The CD version is always an older version of what is out there on the net. I will download the latest copy to a flash drive if I need it on some kind of media.
The fact that neither of us have had this happen in over 10yrs. and I have installed and reinstalled windows more times than i can remember should answer your question.:)

On 10/26/2017 11:26 AM, netbat66 wrote:
why?
the disks are another form of backup.
what do you do if your computer crashes and windows has to be reinstalled? even if you have the downloaded jaws files they may not be a full copy of jaws.
at least with the disks you know they are a full copy.
i don't know if you can copy the jaws disks. but i was able to copy all the window eyes files to flash drives. i just had to manually fine the setup.exe file to do a installation to a new drive. etc.

-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 11:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Win 2018



Sorry for the previous message, I am somewhere with a very slow internet connection and while I thought it was writing my message all it wrote was "I".



Anyways, I wonder why they still bother sending out a disk, often by the time it arrives they have already released an update and I wish instead of wasting all these resources they would just ask the user if they want a physical copy. I haven't used one probably in more than 10 years and just throw them away.



Regards,

Sieghard





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 11:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Win 2018





I



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kenny Peyattt jr.
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 11:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Win 2018



Yes that is true. Fs will send a new copy of jaws on disk.



-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 2:30 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Win wanta away.themthrow,physical



New to Jaws. I have two /SMA's and assume one will be used by this upgrade. Is it my understanding that if you have a SMA FS also sends you a new copy of Jaws on disc?

Thanks






















--
Sincerely: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
Grants Pass, Or.


Re: inserting page numbers within word on going for 2010 through 2016

James Malone
 

Hi all, Van I tried the steps that you explained in word 2013, and found the insert area was different then 2010, and now my client has 2016 on her system.  does anyone out there on the list have any other suggestions I can pass on?

Thanks.

James

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Malone
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 3:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: inserting page numbers within word

 

Hi Van,

Thanks. This is what I needed. I also have word 2010, but my client has word 2016. I hope this works for her.

BTW, you can check by pressing Insert plus F to find out things such as Font Double spacing and so on. It will also tell you if things are centered Left or right justified.

Thanks again.

James

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 2:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: inserting page numbers within word

 

I’m using Word 2010.  You can do as you have asked.  Start on the first page of your document and go to the Insert Ribbon. Tab over till you hit the Page numbers button, which has a menu. With options as to where to place the page number, top of page, bottom of page, etc.  For me, the second option down is to put the page number at the bottom of the page in the footer and it has a submenu allowing you to pick the style.   For my test, I selected the third or fourth one down that said something like ‘pg. 1”.  Hit enter on the choice you want.  When you hit enter, your cursor will be placed in the documents footer at the beginning of the line.  By default, the page number for this choice was at the left edge.  I supposed part of what you are choosing on the submenu is where you want the page number to be located, e.g., left, right, center, etc.  If you arrow beyond the page number, you can add a comma or hyphen and your name.  Hit Escape to exit out of the footer.  You can also use the standard Word shortcuts of Control L to left justify, Control  E to center and Control R to right justify.  Now, each time you add pages, the footer will automatically add the page number with your name. 

 

I admit that I am using my bit of vision to confirm that the page numbers are as I have told you and  I don’t know the best way for you to validate your work.  Maybe using the JAWS  cursor to read the page. 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Malone
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 12:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: inserting page numbers within word

 

Hi all, Is there a way to insert a page number on a word document along with putting your name next to that page number?

Thanks.

James

 

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I found what I was looking for

James Malone
 

Hi all, I found the page numbering within word for 2013. I’ll check this out for 2016 as well.

It was a few more tabs down.

Thanks.

James

 

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throwing away jaws disks?

netbat66
 

why?
the disks are another form of backup.
what do you do if your computer crashes and windows has to be reinstalled? even if you have the downloaded jaws files they may not be a full copy of jaws.
at least with the disks you know they are a full copy.
i don't know if you can copy the jaws disks. but i was able to copy all the window eyes files to flash drives. i just had to manually fine the setup.exe file to do a installation to a new drive. etc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 11:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Win 2018



Sorry for the previous message, I am somewhere with a very slow internet connection and while I thought it was writing my message all it wrote was "I".



Anyways, I wonder why they still bother sending out a disk, often by the time it arrives they have already released an update and I wish instead of wasting all these resources they would just ask the user if they want a physical copy. I haven't used one probably in more than 10 years and just throw them away.



Regards,

Sieghard





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 11:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Win 2018





I



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kenny Peyattt jr.
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 11:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Win 2018



Yes that is true. Fs will send a new copy of jaws on disk.



-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 2:30 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Win wanta away.themthrow,physical



New to Jaws. I have two /SMA's and assume one will be used by this upgrade. Is it my understanding that if you have a SMA FS also sends you a new copy of Jaws on disc?

Thanks


found the bottom of file settings in keyboard manager.

netbat66
 

i don't know but i have never made any changes to the keyboard managers.
it appears it is makeing these changes all by themselves.
for me i found the settings.
be sure to make a copy of the original file just in case it gets messed up.
then you can delete the original jkm files and rename the copies back.
open the keyboard manager with jaws key 8.
then make sure you are on the default settings.
in the default.jkm
check for bottom of file. if it says bottom of file down arrow delete it.
then look for say next line. with me it was not defined.
also when i tried to change key stroke from the pull down menu it said it was
not available.
but i was able to use new keystroke on it and was able to change it this way to
say next line and set it to the down arrow. then unchecked desktop only.

-----Original Message-----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 11:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Problem trying to repair Jaws 18 before upgrading to V 2018



Hello list,

So, I’ve been dealing with this issue since Jaws 18 was put out on 9/26/17.
Along with the Outlook address thing that later got fixed, I was having trouble
when replying or forwarding message in Outlook. Arrowing down was not possible.
Jaws would behave as though I was at the bottom of the screen. Even if I
arrowed up once and then tried going back down to the line I was previously at,
I’d encounter that same barrier. Navigating the message body of text with the
read by paragraph or sentence commands, Jaws worked as always. It was just the
read/navigate by line that was giving me problems.

VFO tech support emailed me instructing that I should try doing a Jaws repair.
Do the copy path from my JFW .exe file and add the / type repair at the end in
the run dialog box.

As I saw that Jaws 2018 came out today, I figured I’d try to get this resolved.
I for one reason or another hadn’t had the chance to go through with the
repair, but figured I should try addressing it before upgrading to JFW 2018.

In any event, I went through the repair process earlier today and along with
all the other typical Jaws chatter when doing an installation (I was using a
JFW.exe file from October that addressed the Outlook issue), I heard Jaws say
something about a sentinel system driver not being copied. By the end of the
process I then got the following error message:

The JAWS setup package could not install the required component

JAWSRepair. The process will now exit.

OK

I already wrote VFO back about this, but as it’s Jaws 2018 release day, I don’t
expect a follow up any time soon as I’m sure they’ll be dealing with all sorts
of stuff related to that.

Anyone have an idea on what this is or how to fix it?

Thanks,

Cristobal


Re: Chrome Question

Gene Stevens
 

Thank you... did the trick.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND" <pamela.a.ekstrand.-nd@disney.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: Chrome Question


Gene,

These instructions have worked for me in Firefox. Hopefully they will work the same in Chrome.

Open a window in Chrome.
Open the JAWS "Settings Center" by doing insert key plus 6.
under the"Web / HTML / PDFs"category, there is a subcategory labeled
"Miscellaneous"
Under"Miscellaneous"there is a setting labeled
"Indicate Element Attribute"
Unchecking this setting will stop Jaws from saying clickable.

Pam


________________________________________
From: main@jfw.groups.io [main@jfw.groups.io] on behalf of Gene Stevens [guy.stevens@att.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 8:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Chrome Question

I know this has been answered before but I don't have the time to search for it right now.

How do I stop Chrome from saying "clickable" at the end of every line?


Re: Win 2018

 

Sorry for the previous message, I am somewhere with a very slow internet connection and while I thought it was writing my message all it wrote was "I".

 

Anyways, I wonder why they still bother sending out a disk, often by the time it arrives they have already released an update and I wish instead of wasting all these resources they would just ask the user if they want a physical copy. I haven't used one probably in more than 10 years and just throw them away.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 11:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Win 2018

 

I

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kenny Peyattt jr.
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 11:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Win 2018

 

Yes that is true. Fs will send a new copy of jaws on disk.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 2:30 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Win wanta                                        away.themthrow,physical

 

New to Jaws.  I have two /SMA's and assume one will be used by this upgrade.  Is it my understanding that if you have a SMA FS also sends you a new copy of Jaws on disc?

Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: can't up date jaws until I solve navigational issue

Brice Mijares <bricemijares@...>
 

Problem solved. I updated Jaws and no more problems in either version. thanks

On 10/26/2017 7:41 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
No issues here, you might want to completely uninstall Jaws and reinstall it. This is certainly not an issue which came up in private beta testing so probably something unique that went wrong on your system.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: can't up date jaws until I solve navigational issue
I haven't Ben able to use any navigational keys in Jaws since I upgraded to windows 10 fall edition. Has anyone experienced this issue?
Been using NVDA in the meantime. Thanks


Re: Win 2018

 

I

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kenny Peyattt jr.
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 11:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Win 2018

 

Yes that is true. Fs will send a new copy of jaws on disk.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 2:30 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Win wanta                                        away.themthrow,physical

 

New to Jaws.  I have two /SMA's and assume one will be used by this upgrade.  Is it my understanding that if you have a SMA FS also sends you a new copy of Jaws on disc?

Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Win 2018

Kenny Peyattt jr.
 

Yes that is true. Fs will send a new copy of jaws on disk.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 2:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Win 2018

New to Jaws. I have two /SMA's and assume one will be used by this
upgrade. Is it my understanding that if you have a SMA FS also sends
you a new copy of Jaws on disc?
Thanks


Re: amazon key

netbat66
 

no thanks. i wouldn't want to let anyone in when no one is home.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonas Voll
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 6:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: amazon key



Hey all chek out this video about amazon key!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn7DBdaUNLA





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Re: amazon key

Dave...
 

Pretty interesting. Also pretty expensive, I think around $250. And then there is the bit about letting someone unlock my door to drop off a package. I won’t be able to see the camera videos, I personally would not like that. But interesting, nonetheless.. How about when they deliver using a drone? Would it fly into my home and drop the package?

Dave
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Hey all chek out this video about amazon key!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn7DBdaUNLA

 

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Envision, Inc.
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Wichita, KS 67213
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