Date   

Re: returning to normal desktop

Poppa Bear <heavens4real@...>
 

I have been using multiple desktops lately.

If I have a large school project open or a work project open, a lot of sites, documents and so on and I want to do some personal work I will just create a different desktop and float back and forth between the two as needed.

 

 

 

Nate Kile,

Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision

Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual instruction for schools

Also Private training to your needs

907-444-3707

Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 9:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: returning to normal desktop

 

Jaws reads it as desktop 1 because in Windows 10 you can have so-called “virtual desktops” which then are called Desktop 2, Desktop 3 etc.

Here is what Microsoft has to say about virtual desktops:

 

Multiple desktops are great for keeping unrelated, ongoing projects organized, or for quickly hiding from the boss that browser game you can't stop playing.

To create multiple desktops:

1. On the taskbar, select Task view > New desktop .

2. Open the apps you want to use on that desktop.

3. To switch between desktops, select Task view again.

 

Of course Windows has not forgotten keyboard navigation, here are the keyboard shortcuts:

Open a new desktop: Windows Key + Ctrl + D

Switch between open desktops: Windows Key + Ctrl + Left or Right Arrow

Close a virtual desktop: Windows Key+Control+F4 (make sure you are on the one you want to close).

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to normal desktop

 

Good morning list; have an interesting question.  First, using jaws 18 and windows 10.  When I go to the desktop, the title reads desktop 1.  Once in a while, I run into something called desktop which has a few more icons.  How do I get to the regular desktop instead of desktop 1 if there is one; thanks.

 


disappearing msedge

Tim Grady
 

Well, this is weird. While testing edge with jaws2018 beta edge suddenly
disappeared from my system. I can now no longer choose a default browser
although windows still uses mine and it will let me run any other browser
installed on my stim, but seems msedge isn't there anymore. Any else have
this happen?


Re: returning to normal desktop

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Jaws reads it as desktop 1 because in Windows 10 you can have so-called “virtual desktops” which then are called Desktop 2, Desktop 3 etc.

Here is what Microsoft has to say about virtual desktops:

 

Multiple desktops are great for keeping unrelated, ongoing projects organized, or for quickly hiding from the boss that browser game you can't stop playing.

To create multiple desktops:

1. On the taskbar, select Task view > New desktop .

2. Open the apps you want to use on that desktop.

3. To switch between desktops, select Task view again.

 

Of course Windows has not forgotten keyboard navigation, here are the keyboard shortcuts:

Open a new desktop: Windows Key + Ctrl + D

Switch between open desktops: Windows Key + Ctrl + Left or Right Arrow

Close a virtual desktop: Windows Key+Control+F4 (make sure you are on the one you want to close).

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: returning to normal desktop

 

Good morning list; have an interesting question.  First, using jaws 18 and windows 10.  When I go to the desktop, the title reads desktop 1.  Once in a while, I run into something called desktop which has a few more icons.  How do I get to the regular desktop instead of desktop 1 if there is one; thanks.

 


returning to normal desktop

marvin kotler
 

Good morning list; have an interesting question.  First, using jaws 18 and windows 10.  When I go to the desktop, the title reads desktop 1.  Once in a while, I run into something called desktop which has a few more icons.  How do I get to the regular desktop instead of desktop 1 if there is one; thanks.
 


Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

Jason White
 

Try auto-advance with a braille display, or the say all command if using speech. If I remember rightly, JAWS reads down the text columns in the correct order.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of D
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 9:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

 

Hoping someone answers these via email since it would be helpful to me as well, and more proofreading tips would be appreciated

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 11:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

 

Hi guys:

 

I have two questions;

1.  regarding text columns:

back sometime ago, there was discussion on this list on how to read text columns within a word doc;

(e.g. two text columns);

The response on handling such matters was to use the control arrows whilst arrowing through a doc,

Although this might be a solution in some instances,

what if I am reading the doc straight through, say a legal case as the other fella suggested?

One would not sit there and arrow line-by-line through a case; for this would be non-efficient and imppractical.

Any ideas?

 

2: regarding proofreading speech schemes:

I have delved into using proofreading schemes and have noticed a “strange but maybe neat ” phenomenon;

 

It seems that when using one of these schemes, (e.g. attributes, font, and colors);

jaws when encountering either bold or italics, the voice will change from “read” to “huge harry” or something similar thereof;

However,

when encountering changes in color or font,

jaws merely says the new color or font in a different voice but then immediately reverts back to default voice when reading the actual text.

Example:

am reading along and color of text is black on white;

Let’s say I changed some text to “red fur rule”,

I would like jaws not only to change to the voice when he says “red” but I wish for him to stay in that mode and read all the red text in that voice;

when the color of text changes back to black then jaws should default back to his regular voice.

 

I know this is a lot, but I don’t know any other way to ask these questions?

 

I hope I haven’t confused anyone with these ramblings?

 

If anyone has any ideas, ph: 618 783 9331 for more in depth instructions on how to accomplish this?

Please advise further.

 

Sincerely Yours,

 

Mike M.

[ph: 618 783 9331.]


Re: Authorizing via Backed-Up Files

Michael Capelle <mcapelle@...>
 

to my knowledge, no.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@noisynotes.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 9:25 AM
Subject: Authorizing via Backed-Up Files


A client's machine has just been rebuilt from the ground up. JAWS 18
has been installed, but the client does not have their serial number,
not to mention their authorization string. Of course it's Saturday,
VRO's closed, but I thought this information, at least the serial
number, might be obtainable from a backup. The client does have a full
backup of the system disk before it was redone. Are there any files
that can be looked at to at least get the serial number, which can
then be used to get the authorization string emailed to them, or are
they just stuck until Monday?

As always, thanks in advance for any info.


Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

Sameer
 

 
You can modify an existing JAWS sound scheme or create a new one to have JAWS read text of a certain colour in a different voice.
 
For guidance in modifying existing sound schemes or creating a new one, refer the following link.
 
 
Regards
Mr. Sameer Latey
Mumbai, India
 

Sent: 24 September, 2017 9:30 PM
Subject: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.
 
Hi guys:
 
I have two questions;
1.  regarding text columns:
back sometime ago, there was discussion on this list on how to read text columns within a word doc;
(e.g. two text columns);
The response on handling such matters was to use the control arrows whilst arrowing through a doc,
Although this might be a solution in some instances,
what if I am reading the doc straight through, say a legal case as the other fella suggested?
One would not sit there and arrow line-by-line through a case; for this would be non-efficient and imppractical.
Any ideas?
 
2: regarding proofreading speech schemes:
I have delved into using proofreading schemes and have noticed a “strange but maybe neat ” phenomenon;
 
It seems that when using one of these schemes, (e.g. attributes, font, and colors);
jaws when encountering either bold or italics, the voice will change from “read” to “huge harry” or something similar thereof;
However,
when encountering changes in color or font,
jaws merely says the new color or font in a different voice but then immediately reverts back to default voice when reading the actual text.
Example:
am reading along and color of text is black on white;
Let’s say I changed some text to “red fur rule”,
I would like jaws not only to change to the voice when he says “red” but I wish for him to stay in that mode and read all the red text in that voice;
when the color of text changes back to black then jaws should default back to his regular voice.
 
I know this is a lot, but I don’t know any other way to ask these questions?
 
I hope I haven’t confused anyone with these ramblings?
 
If anyone has any ideas, ph: 618 783 9331 for more in depth instructions on how to accomplish this?
Please advise further.
 
Sincerely Yours,
 
Mike M.
[ph: 618 783 9331.]


Re: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

D
 

Hoping someone answers these via email since it would be helpful to me as well, and more proofreading tips would be appreciated

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 11:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

 

Hi guys:

 

I have two questions;

1.  regarding text columns:

back sometime ago, there was discussion on this list on how to read text columns within a word doc;

(e.g. two text columns);

The response on handling such matters was to use the control arrows whilst arrowing through a doc,

Although this might be a solution in some instances,

what if I am reading the doc straight through, say a legal case as the other fella suggested?

One would not sit there and arrow line-by-line through a case; for this would be non-efficient and imppractical.

Any ideas?

 

2: regarding proofreading speech schemes:

I have delved into using proofreading schemes and have noticed a “strange but maybe neat ” phenomenon;

 

It seems that when using one of these schemes, (e.g. attributes, font, and colors);

jaws when encountering either bold or italics, the voice will change from “read” to “huge harry” or something similar thereof;

However,

when encountering changes in color or font,

jaws merely says the new color or font in a different voice but then immediately reverts back to default voice when reading the actual text.

Example:

am reading along and color of text is black on white;

Let’s say I changed some text to “red fur rule”,

I would like jaws not only to change to the voice when he says “red” but I wish for him to stay in that mode and read all the red text in that voice;

when the color of text changes back to black then jaws should default back to his regular voice.

 

I know this is a lot, but I don’t know any other way to ask these questions?

 

I hope I haven’t confused anyone with these ramblings?

 

If anyone has any ideas, ph: 618 783 9331 for more in depth instructions on how to accomplish this?

Please advise further.

 

Sincerely Yours,

 

Mike M.

[ph: 618 783 9331.]


Re: Scheduling a Scan Using Windows Defender

Jason White
 

I think we agree as to where the balance lies. Recent criticisms of anti-virus software (notably excluding Windows Defender) by a former Mozilla developer – backed by a Google Chrome developer – led me to choose Windows Defender as my anti-virus solution.

http://robert.ocallahan.org/2017/01/disable-your-antivirus-software-except.html

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 6:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Scheduling a Scan Using Windows Defender

 

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 02:47 pm, Jason White wrote:

I’ll gladly accept some false positives if most malware is detected reliably.

It's the number of "some" that tips the balance for me.  I stopped using the antivirus product I'd been using for decades after it became exquisitely oversensitive.

False positives once in a blue moon are far preferable to false negatives.   But constant false positives are worse than the very rare false negative (which is usually because a definition has not made it out yet).
 
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

 
If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind.     ~ Irving Becker


Re: Scheduling a Scan Using Windows Defender

 

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 02:47 pm, Jason White wrote:
I’ll gladly accept some false positives if most malware is detected reliably.
It's the number of "some" that tips the balance for me.  I stopped using the antivirus product I'd been using for decades after it became exquisitely oversensitive.

False positives once in a blue moon are far preferable to false negatives.   But constant false positives are worse than the very rare false negative (which is usually because a definition has not made it out yet).
 
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

 
If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind.     ~ Irving Becker


Re: Scheduling a Scan Using Windows Defender

Jason White
 

I’ll gladly accept some false positives if most malware is detected reliably.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 3:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Scheduling a Scan Using Windows Defender

 

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 12:49 pm, Maria Campbell wrote:

The problem is that the scans are only quick scans.  This is why from time to time I do a manual full scan.

 

I will admit to doing this every once in a blue moon, too, but it's really not necessary.  If you have had Windows Defender (or anything similar) running on your system continuously it should have done a full scan on first run, compiled its database of what was scanned and when, and only need to do a quick scan subsequently.

I happen to have kicked off a full manual scan a little over 3 hours ago since I had two detections, both of exe installers I'd never run one of which was ancient, over the last few days.  I get why my CCleaner installer was detected after the signatures for the backdoor it contained were released, but I can't understand how a utility that I'd had sitting around "in case I needed it" since 2015 was just getting flagged now.  That thing's been scanned many times since then by several different antivirus products.  Why Windows Defender detected a trojan now is a real mystery.
 
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

 
If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind.     ~ Irving Becker


Re: Scheduling a Scan Using Windows Defender

 

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 12:49 pm, Maria Campbell wrote:

The problem is that the scans are only quick scans.  This is why from time to time I do a manual full scan.

 

I will admit to doing this every once in a blue moon, too, but it's really not necessary.  If you have had Windows Defender (or anything similar) running on your system continuously it should have done a full scan on first run, compiled its database of what was scanned and when, and only need to do a quick scan subsequently.

I happen to have kicked off a full manual scan a little over 3 hours ago since I had two detections, both of exe installers I'd never run one of which was ancient, over the last few days.  I get why my CCleaner installer was detected after the signatures for the backdoor it contained were released, but I can't understand how a utility that I'd had sitting around "in case I needed it" since 2015 was just getting flagged now.  That thing's been scanned many times since then by several different antivirus products.  Why Windows Defender detected a trojan now is a real mystery.
 
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

 
If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind.     ~ Irving Becker


Re: Scheduling a Scan Using Windows Defender

 

My understanding of realtime protection was more in keeping with Randy's comment, or any time you copy a file to your hard drive from any other source.  You can sometimes set up "on insertion" USB thumb drive/SD Card scanning as well.

I'll have to look up whether Windows Defender realtime protection triggers a scan every time you try to kick off an executable on the system, but if it does that's horribly inefficient as those files should have been scanned when introduced to the system and been stopped then if an infection was found.
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

 
If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind.     ~ Irving Becker


Re: Scheduling a Scan Using Windows Defender

Maria Campbell
 

The problem is that the scans are only quick scans.  This is why from time to time I do a manual full scan.


lucky1inct@...

"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 9/24/2017 3:27 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:

It also scans downloads at the time you download them.
On 9/24/2017 11:37 AM, Jason White via Groups.Io wrote:

In addition, mine shows that real-time protection is enabled. If I understand correctly, this will automatically scan any program that you run with Windows Defender, and prevent it from executing if malware is found.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 10:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Scheduling a Scan Using Windows Defender

 

Rick,

         None of the above should actually be necessary.  Windows Defender, like all antivirus/security suite programs, puts in its own scheduled tasks when you turn it on to use it.  On my system there are four:  Windows Defender Cache Maintenance, Windows Defender Cleanup, Windows Defender Scheduled Scan, & Windows Defender Verification.

         There would be no point in having an antivirus/antimalware or security suite that did not run scans occasionally on its own and self-update its own definitions.  Windows Defender does both of these things.
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

 
If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind.     ~ Irving Becker




Re: Scheduling a Scan Using Windows Defender

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

It also scans downloads at the time you download them.

On 9/24/2017 11:37 AM, Jason White via Groups.Io wrote:

In addition, mine shows that real-time protection is enabled. If I understand correctly, this will automatically scan any program that you run with Windows Defender, and prevent it from executing if malware is found.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 10:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Scheduling a Scan Using Windows Defender

 

Rick,

         None of the above should actually be necessary.  Windows Defender, like all antivirus/security suite programs, puts in its own scheduled tasks when you turn it on to use it.  On my system there are four:  Windows Defender Cache Maintenance, Windows Defender Cleanup, Windows Defender Scheduled Scan, & Windows Defender Verification.

         There would be no point in having an antivirus/antimalware or security suite that did not run scans occasionally on its own and self-update its own definitions.  Windows Defender does both of these things.
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

 
If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind.     ~ Irving Becker



Re: Scheduling a Scan Using Windows Defender

Jason White
 

In addition, mine shows that real-time protection is enabled. If I understand correctly, this will automatically scan any program that you run with Windows Defender, and prevent it from executing if malware is found.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 10:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Scheduling a Scan Using Windows Defender

 

Rick,

         None of the above should actually be necessary.  Windows Defender, like all antivirus/security suite programs, puts in its own scheduled tasks when you turn it on to use it.  On my system there are four:  Windows Defender Cache Maintenance, Windows Defender Cleanup, Windows Defender Scheduled Scan, & Windows Defender Verification.

         There would be no point in having an antivirus/antimalware or security suite that did not run scans occasionally on its own and self-update its own definitions.  Windows Defender does both of these things.
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

 
If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind.     ~ Irving Becker


text columns in word questions; and proofreading schemes.

mike mcglashon
 

Hi guys:
 
I have two questions;
1.  regarding text columns:
back sometime ago, there was discussion on this list on how to read text columns within a word doc;
(e.g. two text columns);
The response on handling such matters was to use the control arrows whilst arrowing through a doc,
Although this might be a solution in some instances,
what if I am reading the doc straight through, say a legal case as the other fella suggested?
One would not sit there and arrow line-by-line through a case; for this would be non-efficient and imppractical.
Any ideas?
 
2: regarding proofreading speech schemes:
I have delved into using proofreading schemes and have noticed a “strange but maybe neat ” phenomenon;
 
It seems that when using one of these schemes, (e.g. attributes, font, and colors);
jaws when encountering either bold or italics, the voice will change from “read” to “huge harry” or something similar thereof;
However,
when encountering changes in color or font,
jaws merely says the new color or font in a different voice but then immediately reverts back to default voice when reading the actual text.
Example:
am reading along and color of text is black on white;
Let’s say I changed some text to “red fur rule”,
I would like jaws not only to change to the voice when he says “red” but I wish for him to stay in that mode and read all the red text in that voice;
when the color of text changes back to black then jaws should default back to his regular voice.
 
I know this is a lot, but I don’t know any other way to ask these questions?
 
I hope I haven’t confused anyone with these ramblings?
 
If anyone has any ideas, ph: 618 783 9331 for more in depth instructions on how to accomplish this?
Please advise further.
 
Sincerely Yours,
 
Mike M.
[ph: 618 783 9331.]


Re: Authorizing via Backed-Up Files

Mario
 

I don't think there is a way since you're asking about the serial
number. I would suspect VFO/FS will need to verify that the client is
who he/she is by correctly answering certain questions before helping.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Steve Matzura [mailto:number6@noisynotes.com]
Sent: Saturday, Sep 23, 2017 10:25 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Authorizing via Backed-Up Files

A client's machine has just been rebuilt from the ground up. JAWS 18
has been installed, but the client does not have their serial number,
not to mention their authorization string. Of course it's Saturday,
VRO's closed, but I thought this information, at least the serial
number, might be obtainable from a backup. The client does have a full
backup of the system disk before it was redone. Are there any files
that can be looked at to at least get the serial number, which can
then be used to get the authorization string emailed to them, or are
they just stuck until Monday?

As always, thanks in advance for any info.



.


Re: file downloads failing

Mario
 

Jed, are you using a wifi connection? wifi can sometimes get flaky.
using a wired connection is more stable.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Rick Miller [mailto:rm1263@outlook.com]
Sent: Saturday, Sep 23, 2017 11:29 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: file downloads failing

I would say it's best to choose the "Retry," option. Sometimes this
happens to me when I try to download something from BARD, but usually
when I choose the "Retry," option, it works.



Rick Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin
Hourigan
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 6:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: file downloads failing

Are you downloading them individually?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: September 23, 2017 5:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: file downloads failing

Hey guys,

OK, well i am trying to download a bunch of mp3s from a website, they're
a bunch of podcasts that i wanted to save. I am downloading 4 of them,
however, i'm using firefox. when i go to tools, and downloads, 3 out of
4 of them failed. It'll say the name of the file name, and then it'll
say failed, then after it finishes speaking the file name it says retry.
I'm concerned cause this is happening on a lot of sites i download
from. Is this common, any way to re-start the download?


Re: Scheduling a Scan Using Windows Defender

 

Rick,

         None of the above should actually be necessary.  Windows Defender, like all antivirus/security suite programs, puts in its own scheduled tasks when you turn it on to use it.  On my system there are four:  Windows Defender Cache Maintenance, Windows Defender Cleanup, Windows Defender Scheduled Scan, & Windows Defender Verification.

         There would be no point in having an antivirus/antimalware or security suite that did not run scans occasionally on its own and self-update its own definitions.  Windows Defender does both of these things.
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

 
If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind.     ~ Irving Becker