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MS Excell causes Jaws 18 to hang, Win10
Nickus de Vos
Hi all
I remember a topic on Excell crashing a while ago, I never read that but now I can’t find it to see if this is a similar problem Firstly I have Windows 10, Jaws 18 and Office 365 which is all up to date. I’m getting a strange problem in Excell, after working in a workbook for around 5 to 10 minuts, Jaws suddenly becomes totally unresponsive, as if it crashes. If I go to the desktop with Windows key D or someware else, Jaws will start speaking again after a few seconds and all will be fine. Everything else will still work correctly, till I try to enter Excell again and then Jaws freezes up once more and the only way to resolve the problem is to restart the computer. Weird thing is, this only happens 8 out of 10 times, yesterday for example I spent more than a hour working in a Excell sheet without any issues, but this morning the problem was back again. This is really frustrating and effecting my work, have you got any ideas on what might be wrong here? At this stage Excell on my Mac actually works better than Excell on my Win10 machine which says quite a lot. Thanks Nickus
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Re: changing Email
James Malone
Would suggest calling them, or provide your email along with your serial number for both products to support@vfo.com. Would suggest at looking on their web site if the above info isn't correct.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 7:20 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: changing Email Having two products from FS including Jaws and Open Book I have recently changed my Email provider. I see nothing on the VFO web page to update your info. Anyone know where to update your info? Thanks
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Re: Getting the Microsoft Support and Recovery Assistant in update cue?
John Covici
Office updates are always out of band, i.e. they don't come with the
regular updates, but on a weekly basis, approximately. On Thu, 31 Aug 2017 15:14:59 -0400, Ashleigh Piccinino wrote: -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com
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Getting the Microsoft Support and Recovery Assistant in update cue?
Ashleigh Piccinino
Hello, Is there a way for me to have the Microsoft Support and Recovery Assistant for Office 365 to automatically install its updatea/can I somehow put it in the update cue? I don’t use this software … yet, but whenever I should/if I should, I don’t want to have to wait for the update to take place first. Thanks, Ashleigh Piccinino P.S. not an emergency, just thought it’d be easier to automatically update this/noticed it’s somehow not in Windows update?
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Alan Robbins
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 2:07 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Excel 2016 is no longer crashing
David,
I’m using the JAWS virtual ribbons but did find where you were talking about. Seems to take one to the same place regardless if in Word, excel, etc. Anyway, mine is set to automatically update so I guess anytime there is one pushed out I’ll get it.
Al
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io]
On Behalf Of david
Hello; To check whether there’s update for office 2016, 1, open MSWord,
2, now, press alt+f=file,
3, d=account,
4, r=update.
So the keystrokes should be, Alt+f/d/r.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Ashley,
Yes, I asked too. When I go to my update history, last entry is from 8/15
Al
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Ashleigh Piccinino
Not finding where that update might’ve taken place. No big deal, though; just wanted to know where you guys found that out.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: george b
There was a office 2016 update yesterday morning
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Hello,
I would love to hear people's feedback regarding the Excel issues of late. Just now I wanted to catch up on some work where I have to use Excel. I think most of us know how Excel has been crashing lately especially on Windows 7 PC's with Jaws 18. Jaws 16 seemed to be the only work-around for now for Windows 7. On my Windows 10 computers Excel seemed to be fine with Jaws 18. I opened Excel on my Windows 10 desktop and noticed that a bunch of dates which I had set to be formatted so they include the day of the week, e.g. Monday, August 28, 2017, Tuesday, August 29, 2017 etc. only displayed as August 28, 2017, August 29, 2017 etc. I pressed Control+1 and looked at the date formats available and to my amazement did not see an option any more to include the week day. I then opened the same Excel file on my Windows 7 computer expecting it to crash as soon as I tried to actually do anything, in any case, the date at the very top of my sheet showed up as "Wednesday, August 30, 2017. I pressed Control+Page Up to go back a sheet again expecting it to crash, but thought I try it and to my surprise it went to Tuesday, August 29, 2017 and Excel did not crash. I opened a new Excel file, typed in a bunch of values in 3 or 4 fields, added them up and everything was fine. I wonder if Microsoft pushed out an update which fixes the issue? Not sure how to check when the last Office update was, but needless to say I am delighted that I apparently can work in my Excel file again on my Windows 7 PC which also has my Sage 50 accounting software on it. Accessibility in so many ways is making big forward strides, but in other ways it's the opposite. Yesterday I finally finished setting up a new Windows 10 PC at my retail store and finally managed to get it to see the other Windows 7 computers on the network and to let me save to my main file storage drive on one of these Windows 7 PC's. Then I installed Sage 50 on that PC only to find out I can't use this accounting package which I have been using since it was Bedford Accounting for DOS back in 1991. On my Windows 7 PC's I can work with it efficiently and quickly, but I have to use the Jaws cursor for a number of things. In Windows 10 even the main program screen where you select whether you want to use the General ledger, do bank reconciliation, set up a supplier, use the purchases or payments journal etc. does not read anything. I can still get around that because I know I have to tab 5 times after it opens to get to the General journal, 6 times for reconciliation, 8 times for Purchases etc. Unfortunately when I enter an invoice everything works great until I want to check the total which I have to do using the Jaws cursor. It reads almost nothing and definitely not what I need it to read. Also, sometimes after I enter an invoice I might be off by a cent or two due to rounding errors with tax calculations and I then have to go to the tax amount for one of the items I am entering which is only possible with the Jaws cursor, double click it and then I can manually change it. No such luck on Windows 10 and while I was hoping to soon upgrade all my computers to Windows 10 at work right now I just don't know what I should do. Well, I guess I do know, I can't upgrade if I can't use this accounting software and I was not planning to spend hundreds and hundreds of Dollars right now to change to something like Quick Books and buy the expensive scripts for it. Those last few weeks have been a real mess. Anyways, I just hope my apparent success using Excel is not some odd thing and that soon it will go back to being what it was for the last two weeks.
Regards, Sieghard
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Re: Invisible menu?
Randy Barnett <randy@...>
No, I just ignore it as best I can. Alt
tab or windows M usually fixes it. It doesnt preceed a Jaws crash
for me.
On 8/31/2017 3:34 AM, rickp47@... wrote:
Do you have any idea what it is or how to prevent it? I'm getting it at work and sometimes JAWS crashes right after it happens
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jaws 18 and McAfee
rickp47@...
I'm using JAWS 18 in Windows 7 Enterprise and I'm experiencing JAWS crashing in between (proprietary) applications. The main app is within IE11 and the app that I transition to Chrome based. JAWS does announce "leaving menus" sometimes, but not all the time, and, of course, jaws doesn't always crash. The company uses McAfee and I'm wondering if this is the culprit. I've heard of it happening before. I'm not sure I can have the McAfee "turned off" while I test this theory since we're live in the network. Anybody hear of this scenario?.
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Re: Invisible menu?
rickp47@...
Do you have any idea what it is or how to prevent it? I'm getting it at work and sometimes JAWS crashes right after it happens
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changing Email
Don H
Having two products from FS including Jaws and Open Book I have recently changed my Email provider. I see nothing on the VFO web page to update your info. Anyone know where to update your info?
Thanks
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Re: Office 2016
Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
I used to use them, but have gotten away from it and instead learned how to properly navigate the ribbons without using the virtual ribbon. This for me has the advantage that I can more easily relate to what sighted people tell me and what you read if you look something up online and it also means I can use the shortcuts for common tasks I always do.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 4:17 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Office 2016
Ward,
Yes, I like the virtual ribbons as well. However, that said, the only PC’s I use are those with JAWS so they are always available. If I had to use PC’s without JAWS and other screen readers I probably would take the time to learn the ribbons natively.
Best Al
From:
main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Ward Dudley
The JAWS Virtual Ribbons is a good help to some. Was for me. Ward
On 8/30/2017 6:59 PM, D wrote:
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Re: Word 2016 and Jaws 18
Bob Hicks
thanks
Have a great day!
Bob Hicks
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Malone
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 11:20 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Word 2016 and Jaws 18
Sounds like its not backwards conpadible.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Hicks
I have a file I created here at work in Word 2013. I tried to work on the file at home using Word 2016 on/at home in Word 2016. I have installed the office converter patch. I can make changes on the file at home, but when I bring it to work the changes I saved at home are not there. What gives? thanks
Have a great day!
Bob Hicks
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Re: Excel 2016 is no longer crashing
Alan Robbins <alan1057@...>
It became extremely sluggish once yesterday, but going to task manager, ending the task, then relaunching seemed to be ok. Hope I don't have to do that too often.
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Best, Al
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave... Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:48 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Excel 2016 is no longer crashing ...sounds like MS has fixed their previous update. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirley Tracy" <stracy5@tampabay.rr.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 09:42 Subject: Re: Excel 2016 is no longer crashing I forgot to add that I had an easier time of using the combo box at my bank and on my email program as well. Does anybody know why? Was that part of the same update? Shirley ---- Shirley Tracy <stracy5@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: ============= Yes, I'm so happy! I don't even know why I tried Excel this morning, but it was working fine. I can't tell you how good this is, whatever the changes brought it about. Ever since my husband's stroke, I'm the one who handles our finances and does the banking account. It's frustrating not to be able to keep a balance. Shirley Tracy ---- george b <gbmagoo@gmail.com> wrote: ============= There was a office 2016 update yesterday morning From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: August 30, 2017 8:03 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Excel 2016 is no longer crashing Hello, I would love to hear people's feedback regarding the Excel issues of late. Just now I wanted to catch up on some work where I have to use Excel. I think most of us know how Excel has been crashing lately especially on Windows 7 PC's with Jaws 18. Jaws 16 seemed to be the only work-around for now for Windows 7. On my Windows 10 computers Excel seemed to be fine with Jaws 18. I opened Excel on my Windows 10 desktop and noticed that a bunch of dates which I had set to be formatted so they include the day of the week, e.g. Monday, August 28, 2017, Tuesday, August 29, 2017 etc. only displayed as August 28, 2017, August 29, 2017 etc. I pressed Control+1 and looked at the date formats available and to my amazement did not see an option any more to include the week day. I then opened the same Excel file on my Windows 7 computer expecting it to crash as soon as I tried to actually do anything, in any case, the date at the very top of my sheet showed up as "Wednesday, August 30, 2017. I pressed Control+Page Up to go back a sheet again expecting it to crash, but thought I try it and to my surprise it went to Tuesday, August 29, 2017 and Excel did not crash. I opened a new Excel file, typed in a bunch of values in 3 or 4 fields, added them up and everything was fine. I wonder if Microsoft pushed out an update which fixes the issue? Not sure how to check when the last Office update was, but needless to say I am delighted that I apparently can work in my Excel file again on my Windows 7 PC which also has my Sage 50 accounting software on it. Accessibility in so many ways is making big forward strides, but in other ways it's the opposite. Yesterday I finally finished setting up a new Windows 10 PC at my retail store and finally managed to get it to see the other Windows 7 computers on the network and to let me save to my main file storage drive on one of these Windows 7 PC's. Then I installed Sage 50 on that PC only to find out I can't use this accounting package which I have been using since it was Bedford Accounting for DOS back in 1991. On my Windows 7 PC's I can work with it efficiently and quickly, but I have to use the Jaws cursor for a number of things. In Windows 10 even the main program screen where you select whether you want to use the General ledger, do bank reconciliation, set up a supplier, use the purchases or payments journal etc. does not read anything. I can still get around that because I know I have to tab 5 times after it opens to get to the General journal, 6 times for reconciliation, 8 times for Purchases etc. Unfortunately when I enter an invoice everything works great until I want to check the total which I have to do using the Jaws cursor. It reads almost nothing and definitely not what I need it to read. Also, sometimes after I enter an invoice I might be off by a cent or two due to rounding errors with tax calculations and I then have to go to the tax amount for one of the items I am entering which is only possible with the Jaws cursor, double click it and then I can manually change it. No such luck on Windows 10 and while I was hoping to soon upgrade all my computers to Windows 10 at work right now I just don't know what I should do. Well, I guess I do know, I can't upgrade if I can't use this accounting software and I was not planning to spend hundreds and hundreds of Dollars right now to change to something like Quick Books and buy the expensive scripts for it. Those last few weeks have been a real mess. Anyways, I just hope my apparent success using Excel is not some odd thing and that soon it will go back to being what it was for the last two weeks. Regards, Sieghard
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Re: Office 2016
Alan Robbins <alan1057@...>
Ward,
Yes, I like the virtual ribbons as well. However, that said, the only PC’s I use are those with JAWS so they are always available. If I had to use PC’s without JAWS and other screen readers I probably would take the time to learn the ribbons natively.
Best Al
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ward Dudley
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 8:10 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Office 2016
The JAWS Virtual Ribbons is a good help to some. Was for me. Ward
On 8/30/2017 6:59 PM, D wrote:
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Re: Excel 2016 is no longer crashing
Dave...
...sounds like MS has fixed their previous update.
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Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shirley Tracy" <stracy5@tampabay.rr.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 09:42 Subject: Re: Excel 2016 is no longer crashing I forgot to add that I had an easier time of using the combo box at my bank and on my email program as well. Does anybody know why? Was that part of the same update? Shirley ---- Shirley Tracy <stracy5@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: ============= Yes, I'm so happy! I don't even know why I tried Excel this morning, but it was working fine. I can't tell you how good this is, whatever the changes brought it about. Ever since my husband's stroke, I'm the one who handles our finances and does the banking account. It's frustrating not to be able to keep a balance. Shirley Tracy ---- george b <gbmagoo@gmail.com> wrote: ============= There was a office 2016 update yesterday morning From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: August 30, 2017 8:03 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Excel 2016 is no longer crashing Hello, I would love to hear people's feedback regarding the Excel issues of late. Just now I wanted to catch up on some work where I have to use Excel. I think most of us know how Excel has been crashing lately especially on Windows 7 PC's with Jaws 18. Jaws 16 seemed to be the only work-around for now for Windows 7. On my Windows 10 computers Excel seemed to be fine with Jaws 18. I opened Excel on my Windows 10 desktop and noticed that a bunch of dates which I had set to be formatted so they include the day of the week, e.g. Monday, August 28, 2017, Tuesday, August 29, 2017 etc. only displayed as August 28, 2017, August 29, 2017 etc. I pressed Control+1 and looked at the date formats available and to my amazement did not see an option any more to include the week day. I then opened the same Excel file on my Windows 7 computer expecting it to crash as soon as I tried to actually do anything, in any case, the date at the very top of my sheet showed up as "Wednesday, August 30, 2017. I pressed Control+Page Up to go back a sheet again expecting it to crash, but thought I try it and to my surprise it went to Tuesday, August 29, 2017 and Excel did not crash. I opened a new Excel file, typed in a bunch of values in 3 or 4 fields, added them up and everything was fine. I wonder if Microsoft pushed out an update which fixes the issue? Not sure how to check when the last Office update was, but needless to say I am delighted that I apparently can work in my Excel file again on my Windows 7 PC which also has my Sage 50 accounting software on it. Accessibility in so many ways is making big forward strides, but in other ways it's the opposite. Yesterday I finally finished setting up a new Windows 10 PC at my retail store and finally managed to get it to see the other Windows 7 computers on the network and to let me save to my main file storage drive on one of these Windows 7 PC's. Then I installed Sage 50 on that PC only to find out I can't use this accounting package which I have been using since it was Bedford Accounting for DOS back in 1991. On my Windows 7 PC's I can work with it efficiently and quickly, but I have to use the Jaws cursor for a number of things. In Windows 10 even the main program screen where you select whether you want to use the General ledger, do bank reconciliation, set up a supplier, use the purchases or payments journal etc. does not read anything. I can still get around that because I know I have to tab 5 times after it opens to get to the General journal, 6 times for reconciliation, 8 times for Purchases etc. Unfortunately when I enter an invoice everything works great until I want to check the total which I have to do using the Jaws cursor. It reads almost nothing and definitely not what I need it to read. Also, sometimes after I enter an invoice I might be off by a cent or two due to rounding errors with tax calculations and I then have to go to the tax amount for one of the items I am entering which is only possible with the Jaws cursor, double click it and then I can manually change it. No such luck on Windows 10 and while I was hoping to soon upgrade all my computers to Windows 10 at work right now I just don't know what I should do. Well, I guess I do know, I can't upgrade if I can't use this accounting software and I was not planning to spend hundreds and hundreds of Dollars right now to change to something like Quick Books and buy the expensive scripts for it. Those last few weeks have been a real mess. Anyways, I just hope my apparent success using Excel is not some odd thing and that soon it will go back to being what it was for the last two weeks. Regards, Sieghard
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Re: Questions on Kodi 17.4.
George Gray
Please do so.
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Thanks.
On 8/30/17, Shane clark <hshaneclark@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, --
HAVE A MAGNIFICENT DAY GEORGE BURRELL GRAY Ocean Winds Cabarete/Sosua REPUBLICA DOMINICANA
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Re: Questions on Kodi 17.4.
Shane clark
Hi,
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You can get Kodi 16.1 from kodi.tv/downloads. I can send the link to the screenreader. Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com
On August 30, 2017 2:34:49 PM "ratshtron" <northstarr1950@gmail.com> wrote:
hmmm, where one get a copy of 16.1? thanks.
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Re: Office 2016
D
Hey Tom,
If you download them will you send them to me as well? I will share them with other coworkers-thanks.
I am also interested in knowing how to better format documents so they are appealing with good layout-any advice on this as well?
Thanks everyone for your input, you are an awesome support!
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Lange
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 7:04 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Office 2016
Hi Thanks, Jason, for reminding me about the keystroke references at the Microsoft web site. I may go find those, download them if I can, and pass them on to my students. I just recently switched to Office 2016 myself but haven't found it to be radically different from 2010. Tim, what did you mean when you said that you found Office 2016 to be almost unrecognizable? When I first saw Word 2016 I immediately got the Start Screen and wasn't immediately sure how to navigate it. So, having found the button/icon for "blank document" I activated it and was placed in a fresh document, then pressed Alt+F followed by T to get into Word options. In the General tab I was able to uncheck the box that tells Word to show the Start Screen when I launch it. Like Diane, I'm interested in comphehensive tutorials for Office 2016, particularly some in DAISY format, and/or ones that won't cost me or my students an arm and a leg. Thanks,
Tom
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Re: Office 2016
Ann Byrne
There is at least one JAWS seminar on Office 2016.
Well done. Free.
Go to JAWS
help
web resources
free webinars
Hi
Thanks, Jason, for reminding me about the keystroke
references at the Microsoft web site. I may go find those, download them if I
can, and pass them on to my students. I just recently switched to Office 2016
myself but haven't found it to be radically different from 2010. Tim, what
did you mean when you said that you found Office 2016 to be almost
unrecognizable? When I first saw Word 2016 I immediately got the Start Screen
and wasn't immediately sure how to navigate it. So, having found the
button/icon for "blank document" I activated it and was placed in a fresh
document, then pressed Alt+F followed by T to get into Word options. In the
General tab I was able to uncheck the box that tells Word to show the Start
Screen when I launch it.
My initial impression of the Start Screen is that it may give me access to different types of document templates for flyers, business letters, resumes and more. Is this so, and if anybody out there has experimented with them, have you found them to be accessible? Years ago I tried using a resume template with dismal results. Like Diane, I'm interested in comphehensive tutorials
for Office 2016, particularly some in DAISY format, and/or ones that won't cost
me or my students an arm and a leg.
Thanks,
Tom
Sent from my iPhone 7
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Re: Office 2016
Ward Dudley
The JAWS Virtual Ribbons is a good help to some. Was for me. Ward
On 8/30/2017 6:59 PM, D wrote:
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Re: Office 2016
Randy Barnett <randy@...>
Mostly you just need to search alot. :)
On 8/30/2017 5:04 PM, Tom Lange wrote:
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Re: Office 2016
Tom Lange
Hi Thanks, Jason, for reminding me about the keystroke references at the Microsoft web site. I may go find those, download them if I can, and pass them on to my students. I just recently switched to Office 2016 myself but haven't found it to be radically different from 2010. Tim, what did you mean when you said that you found Office 2016 to be almost unrecognizable? When I first saw Word 2016 I immediately got the Start Screen and wasn't immediately sure how to navigate it. So, having found the button/icon for "blank document" I activated it and was placed in a fresh document, then pressed Alt+F followed by T to get into Word options. In the General tab I was able to uncheck the box that tells Word to show the Start Screen when I launch it. My initial impression of the Start Screen is that it may give me access to different types of document templates for flyers, business letters, resumes and more. Is this so, and if anybody out there has experimented with them, have you found them to be accessible? Years ago I tried using a resume template with dismal results. Like Diane, I'm interested in comphehensive tutorials for Office 2016, particularly some in DAISY format, and/or ones that won't cost me or my students an arm and a leg. Thanks, Tom Sent from my iPhone 7
On Aug 30, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Jason White via Groups.Io <jason@...> wrote:
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